I’d have nothing to say against recycled maps…just use the aesthetic and change some of the functionality…all the time and costs neede for finding concept ideas would be minimized.
For example “Isle of the Dead”: You could actually use this map pretty good for conquest, just put 3 points to capture in there, one at the top, and one before each base (as close points)
For stronghold the same goes: put at the top the supplies and let the npc’s walk another way (or something like this)
But I actually think recycling could improve the map production
recycling maps is something that benefits both players and devs, devs safe ressources and time and the players get more new maps.
blizzard does the same with heroes of the storm, they usually have 1 tileset/layout per 2 maps. so instead of making a new tileset for each map they safe time and money but can still put out 2 mechanically different maps.
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that’s to be expected after 3 years of conquest :P but what’s odd and something that i never understood is why they went for stronghold in the first place when they already had the foundation from gw1 with gvg which was a very good game mode.
stronghold is.. kind of a mix between things and they’re still tinkering with the mechanics and so.. and people are not too fond of it. and i don’t get why they want to create something new if they could just reimagine GvG, everything is there for anet to make use of.
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GvG was IMHO the best team-based game-mode I’ve ever played and with a few tweaks it would work in GW2 like a charm.
The best thing about GvG was, that the clear focus was on one point (flagstand mid), where big teamfights happen, but there was enough opportunity to split off some teammembers to raid their base, catch their flagrunner etc.
The main problem of stronghold is, that there is no main point of contestion (there are two lanes and very important mist-essence spawns at up to two other points) and there are too many boring tasks to do for a 5-player team (running supply).
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
Personally, I like Stronghold. It just needs a little more creep tuning and more varied heroes. Possibly something like Mercenary camps, but these could be saved for another map.
Oh and something akin to mount system to use out of combat only, so mobile professions don’t have such advantage.
The best thing about GvG was, that the clear focus was on one point (flagstand mid), where big teamfights happen, but there was enough opportunity to split off some teammembers to raid their base, catch their flagrunner etc.
The main problem of stronghold is, that there is no main point of contestion (there are two lanes and very important mist-essence spawns at up to two other points) and there are too many boring tasks to do for a 5-player team (running supply).
+1 to this
stronghold would be improved if somewhere on the map a really strong buff or a more important supply area, so that more meaningful teamfights will be created…
and then maybe, remove some of the things that can be done right now, for example it could look like this in my opinion: remove the supply area, remove the two champions that can be called………..THEN add in the middle, or somewhere else, where both teams can be at the same time, a new buff. This will also summon such a champion that was already created, because they are awesome in my opinion, but make them stronger and even more gamechanging
Then for the doors, some options are available: let some door breakers appear in a given time intervall and MAYBE let the players damage the doors by themselves
This could be something that will focus the team fighting + will give split potential to still defend or attack the enemy doors
But yeah, this is probably too much of a change…the easier way would be to just improve the importance of the supply area.
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Casual PvE players love stronghold. PvP players hate it. This is my experience with the gamemode based on my friends, guilds, teammates I had and reddit.
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Casual PvE players love stronghold. PvP players hate it. This is my experience with the gamemode based on my friends, guilds, teammates I had and reddit.
I consider myself primarly PvP player and I like it very much. Couple of PvPers I’ve been discussing this game mode with liked it too.
It’s not ideal, but it’s beta and will be changing. They won’t scrap Stronghold however and suddenly replace it with something else, so we might as well just focus on feedback and enjoy it.
After Stronghold, who knows, maybe long-awaited Arenas or something else. They’re testing plenty of different game modes and maps and we know that.
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Actually he is correct. Yes, it is a good map for those who like PvE and want a bit of PvP on the side. No, it isn’t a good map for those who want to focus mainly on PvP.
Unless they find a way to increase the PvP component and decrease the PvE aspects, it will launch and just have a small fringe group of players (after the initial “check it out” phase).
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Hes not speaking for everyone. Hes speaking for the people that dont like this new gamemode for different reasons, and it seems theres a kitten large number of players that dont like it
SH is bad. in its current state, id say most people prefer playing conquest. it’s scary how much dev time and “resources” when into this, and it’s so bad.
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Casual PvE players love stronghold. PvP players hate it. This is my experience with the gamemode based on my friends, guilds, teammates I had and reddit.
I consider myself primarly PvP player and I like it very much. Couple of PvPers I’ve been discussing this game mode with liked it too.
It’s not ideal, but it’s beta and will be changing. They won’t scrap Stronghold however and suddenly replace it with something else, so we might as well just focus on feedback and enjoy it.
After Stronghold, who knows, maybe long-awaited Arenas or something else. They’re testing plenty of different game modes and maps and we know that.
I also mainly play PvP, and I also like this gamemode, but I will play it casually, theres no way I can focus- play this gamemode just like I’ve played conquest
SH is bad. in its current state, id say most people prefer playing conquest. it’s scary how much dev time and “resources” when into this, and it’s so bad.
that’s exactly what i’m concerned about. and that’s exactly what i don’t understand about stronghold; they could simply make gvg work for gw2. we have the maps and the map mechanics, they only need to be tweaked.
Ex player of PeanutButterJellyTime, Heavenly Annoying and Visceral Gaming.
SH is bad. in its current state, id say most people prefer playing conquest. it’s scary how much dev time and “resources” when into this, and it’s so bad.
that’s exactly what i’m concerned about. and that’s exactly what i don’t understand about stronghold; they could simply make gvg work for gw2. we have the maps and the map mechanics, they only need to be tweaked.
yep. also, regarding GW2’s gvg, they could have also added a unique twist on 10v10/15v15/20v20 by giving each guild a giant dragon, either AI or player controlled. they could have introduced interesting mechanics for obtaining and leveling the dragon. and then created large open areas for guilds to fight over with their dragons. could have linked it to wvw progression/scoring as well. dragons with different skillsets could have been introduced, kinda like heroes are now.
and then they could have dedicated the rest of their resources to balancing and supporting conquest.
I like stronghold (ofc it still needs tweaks here and there, it’s still in beta) but i see a lot of potential and I already enjoy playing it.
I play exclusively sPvP.
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Actually he is correct. Yes, it is a good map for those who like PvE and want a bit of PvP on the side. No, it isn’t a good map for those who want to focus mainly on PvP.
Unless they find a way to increase the PvP component and decrease the PvE aspects, it will launch and just have a small fringe group of players (after the initial “check it out” phase).
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Casual PvE players love stronghold. PvP players hate it. This is my experience with the gamemode based on my friends, guilds, teammates I had and reddit.
You can classify them as any group you want. Casual or noobs whatever to make yourself feel better, the fact is ultimately the only thing that matters if that there are more people who like it.
Second, fortunately the amount of people who would be considered casual outnumbered the noncasual by a significant number. The point being who gives a kitten, if the non-casual hate stronghold.
There’s been huge outcry and requests for more game modes, far from nobody, over the years. We just don’t feel as turned on by stronghold as we should
So you speak for everyone?
We disagree with your statement. (notice how equally ridiculous this is).
Hes not speaking for everyone. Hes speaking for the people that dont like this new gamemode for different reasons, and it seems theres a kitten large number of players that dont like it
Maybe next time he should use the proper pronouns or at least use adjectives to modify the pronoun to be clearer. Yes, I was being pedantic, but still.
You can classify them as any group you want. Casual or noobs whatever to make yourself feel better, the fact is ultimately the only thing that matters if that there are more people who like it.
Second, fortunately the amount of people who would be considered casual outnumbered the noncasual by a significant number. The point being who gives a kitten, if the non-casual hate stronghold.
Luckily, we will all see soon if you are correct. Maybe everyone will mostly play stronghold and you will seem like a genius. Maybe it will die a slow death like courtyard and you’ll seem out of touch. We will know soon.
You can classify them as any group you want. Casual or noobs whatever to make yourself feel better, the fact is ultimately the only thing that matters if that there are more people who like it.
Second, fortunately the amount of people who would be considered casual outnumbered the noncasual by a significant number. The point being who gives a kitten, if the non-casual hate stronghold.
Luckily, we will all see soon if you are correct. Maybe everyone will mostly play stronghold and you will seem like a genius. Maybe it will die a slow death like courtyard and you’ll seem out of touch. We will know soon.
I don’t particularly care if I am right or wrong. I enjoy stronghold and that is all that matters to me. I will eventually get bored of it, just like I got bored of conquest and only dabble with it.
Also I honestly doubt it will die like court yard, mainly because you can directly queue for it. Second, team death match belong only in fps.
SH is bad. in its current state, id say most people prefer playing conquest. it’s scary how much dev time and “resources” when into this, and it’s so bad.
+1 and it bores the cr*p outta me.
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SH is awesome and i basically only pvp these days.
ITT: people with rose colored glasses about GW1. Best PVP EVER!! Yes thats why almost no one played that game… Stronghold is casual and too much PVE… LETS ADD DRAGONS TO A GAME MODE!!!!!
These are only the maps we know about and they were made a very long time ago. I can imagine they were about as fun as Courtyard is today – there isn’t a huge liking for it.
GW1 mechanics doesn’t work like GW2. You would have to change the very nature of the game for these gamemodes to work. That said, 2v2 and 3v3 gamemodes can indeed work.. I just don’t think they want to remove their beloved conquest and the soon to be new game mode.
Maybe one day when we have a surplus of players and another full thread of people asking for it.
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if you are going to spend time coding a map/mode like stronnkhole then just make a CtF; as well as allowing us to farm pve content, like ore and using a sickle. maybe do a jumper while waiting for a queue instead of sitting in the HotM…
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there could be a way to use the Stronghold-mode and make it feel more like GvG without huge changes:
- Focus more on the fight in mid by getting rid of supply and make the mid-point a sort of cap which makes you spawn 2 archers and 1 DB every 30 seconds as long as you at least have 1 person on it. Both teams could have this at the same time.
- Make the mist-essence spawns mid. I absolutely love the mist essence mechanic, but there’s already too much that’s dividing the team up. Team-fights are fun and with 2 other points of contestion (defense and atk. lane) AND the mist-essence spawns at 2 possible other locations, it’ll just be too much for a 5-man team. We’ll just always have max. 2v2’s, which is not what I personally want from a game-mode like that.
This would pretty much lead to the same “set up” of GW1; very important mid, but the option to split offensively or defensively.
It would also get rid of a lot of boring running around for supply.
These are only the maps we know about and they were made a very long time ago. I can imagine they were about as fun as Courtyard is today – there isn’t a huge liking for it.
GW1 mechanics doesn’t work like GW2. You would have to change the very nature of the game for these gamemodes to work. That said, 2v2 and 3v3 gamemodes can indeed work.. I just don’t think they want to remove their beloved conquest and the soon to be new game mode.
Maybe one day when we have a surplus of players and another full thread of people asking for it.
its the chicken an the egg.
add it, and lets have players come to enjoy our combat system
wait until we have players to add it, we can’t afford to have too many modes
every1 so worried to add a std arena style mode because of splitting the pop. but instead it keeps getting more and mor boring and bleeding out players, and the pop drops from that
wat happened to having fun
let players play what they want. if its fun, more will come rather than leave
This would pretty much lead to the same “set up” of GW1; very important mid, but the option to split offensively or defensively.
It would also get rid of a lot of boring running around for supply.
Isn’t it more or less the way Conquest work already? I mean I’ve always seen the mode as old GvG with cap point instead of flag stand and NPC. They just removerd the part of killing the Lord but the philosophy is really similar, just the combat mechanics are really different and more aggressive (no turtle fight for 20 minutes trying to interupt the monk on his big heal or try to down the mesmer so that he won’t interupt your monk on his big heal).
if you are going to spend time coding a map/mode like stronnkhole then just make a CtF
I could see that. Just replace the lords with flags. You could either remove the gates or make them player-destructable. Maybe even add a gate to the other lane to give an alternative route. AI guards can be kept or removed. No need for attacking AI.
2-Flag:
Each team has a flag in their base (lord room). Infiltrate enemy base, grab their flag, return it to your base. When both flags are present in your base, you score/win.
1-Flag:
One flag is in the center of the map (supply area). Grab the flag, push into enemy territory. Score/win when you place flag inside the enemy base.
Should it be insta-win when scoring, or should there be a set number of points for victory?
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