Guild Wars 2

Dark Revan.7634:

Oresh.4729:

wow with bg and their silly video i tough we went to the bottom of qq and kitten pb but sor are 100 times worse.

I feel more sympathy for bg now, they endure sor childish and lame attitude in forums for 9 weeks…

I made a small recap of my understanding of the top servers situation, feel free to add more reason
(the ====> mean server A hate server

JQ==== 9weeks lose, sos condescending attitude===>SOS

SOS===lose their #1 place, jealousy over recruitment====>JQ

BG===get kick 2 times already from T1===>JQ, SOS

BG==sor getting in T1 after eating sbi rating, sor forum trollers===>SOR

SOR==bad losers, hate everybody===>JQ, SOS, BG

I really hope no one takes this bait….

I will whole heartily agree.

PS: 2v1 coverage primetime blah blah blah.

This article seems appropriate to the thread. Replace the individual with server, and you’ll see what I mean

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

Azure Prower.8701:

All I can say is, I’m looking forward to fighting Kain and TC next week.

Kain for the old WM rivals and TC because they’re awesome.

It’ll still be about 2 more weeks at the earliest, since there’s no change in the rating system. It could happen faster if there’s a WvW boycott though.

On a side note, it would be interesting if there was a mass boycott of WvW across all servers showing displeasure at the shallow resources the PvP side of the game is getting.

Krakah.3582:

Azure Prower.8701:

All I can say is, I’m looking forward to fighting Kain and TC next week.

Kain for the old WM rivals and TC because they’re awesome.

It’ll still be about 2 more weeks at the earliest, since there’s no change in the rating system. It could happen faster if there’s a WvW boycott though.

On a side note, it would be interesting if there was a mass boycott of WvW across all servers showing displeasure at the shallow resources the PvP side of the game is getting.

my fear would be the resource pool would only become that much more shallow!

not saying its a bad idea though.. dunno

covenn.7165:

wish.3102:

Ya, theyre fighting with superior coverage alright. PvDing their map back after we took it and held it when we had equal numbers. Check out my outmanned buff.

sigh Servers don’t tick away at 600 ppt when there is an equal match up. What part of that aren’t you understanding? It is almost like you refuse to see what happens everyday, what the graphs of ppt data show, and what it common knowledge to everyone else playing the game.

…but again who cares?! You can only control what happens in the BL you play on when you are online.

I also believe you can control the PPT from your server as a whole. I Like the fact you enjoy competition and I would definitely encourage you in continuing to do so.

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team. Like any success in real life and it applies to a game as well, you get as much as you give. Talking on forums would not benefit me when I can be talking to other players and encouraging them to join us to have fun. Because at the end of the day, what we really want is to have fun. I definitely don’t want to waste yours or my time pointing out who’s in the wrong, that’s very draining and wouldn’t be helpful for you.

Either way, I know you’re having fun and your server is notorious for great players like the rest of the other GW2 servers, but I think you can maximize your server’s fullest potential by just getting everyone to hang out like JQ does. I mean that’s what we do, we just hang out and have fun!

I’m going to recap what I’ve read here so far in this forum page. JQ- waaaa. SOS-waaaa. SOR-waaaa. I hate everyone of you people that post the same old kitten on these pages and ruin good competition.
This is the last time I’ll ever even visit the WvW forums. All of you should be embarrassed at the way you portray yourselves.
Peace and grow the f up.

How did this thread not get shut down? That’s a miracle in itself. Come on SoR you guys should know better than taking troll bait, especially TW. Lets be civil and respect each other or you give our server a bad name. Lets remember that SoR is a community formed around a great person who is unfortunetly not with us anymore, and if we troll we not only give our whole server a bad name, but also the man who brought us Sanctum of Rall.

Major.8927:

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team.

No server wins due to skill, any win is purely due to coverage. It was the same when SOS was winning and its the same now with JQ.

morrolan.9608:

Major.8927:

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team.

No server wins due to skill, any win is purely due to coverage. It was the same when SOS was winning and its the same now with JQ.

I agree we have coverage but we worked hard for that to happen. JQ put in the effort to invite guilds from other servers and we would invite you so we know we would always stay strong. Coverage doesn’t happen by itself. Success never happens by itself.

SOS was successful and I for sure would want SOS to stay in tier one. What “skill” did SOS execute to maintain number one? Anyone can say coverage, but it takes skill to have “good” coverage.

Anyways, done with forums. You guys have been awesome. =D

SmokeyNYY.7841:

How did this thread not get shut down? That’s a miracle in itself. Come on SoR you guys should know better than taking troll bait, especially TW. Lets be civil and respect each other or you give our server a bad name. Lets remember that SoR is a community formed around a great person who is unfortunetly not with us anymore, and if we troll we not only give our whole server a bad name, but also the man who brought us Sanctum of Rall.

Completely agree.

+1 for you

Totally out of Subject if SoS has a website, ts, mumble or vent to do WvsW please let me know by PM so i can join to it.

Atte.
Commander Sihuca ( Aka Mac )

Dark Revan.7634:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

How did this thread not get shut down? That’s a miracle in itself. Come on SoR you guys should know better than taking troll bait, especially TW. Lets be civil and respect each other or you give our server a bad name. Lets remember that SoR is a community formed around a great person who is unfortunetly not with us anymore, and if we troll we not only give our whole server a bad name, but also the man who brought us Sanctum of Rall.

Completely agree.

+1 for you

Let’s try to bring some civility back. Potluck Massacre is pretty hilarious for a guild name. The visuals alone make me lol. Right up there with Battlestation Sexywagon and Naky.

I was in a guild in everquest called the Minions of Kaer Baar
and also the Sek Sea Pirates

Kreen.3925:

That is actually a very good score update, I can see Fiesty has a challenger.

Major.8927:

morrolan.9608:

Major.8927:

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team.

No server wins due to skill, any win is purely due to coverage. It was the same when SOS was winning and its the same now with JQ.

I agree we have coverage but we worked hard for that to happen. JQ put in the effort to invite guilds from other servers and we would invite you so we know we would always stay strong. Coverage doesn’t happen by itself. Success never happens by itself.

SOS was successful and I for sure would want SOS to stay in tier one. What “skill” did SOS execute to maintain number one? Anyone can say coverage, but it takes skill to have “good” coverage.

Anyways, done with forums. You guys have been awesome. =D

But inviting other guilds to form one mass server to have coverage away from other servers creates an imbalance. Here is where we say coverage comes into play. if JQ has 10 guilds covering SOS/SOR total for there SEA/OCE times then why not split it to make it even so we all have fights 24/7. You dont get bored fighting doors i suppose if this isnt what we all really want.

Recruit: Gee, JQ, what do you want to do tonight?
JQ: The same thing we do every night, recruit – try to take over the world!

This is how I imagine my server when someone complains about our recruits haha

Well we can’t control where people want to go right? And almost every server made recruitment threads not only us. I remembered SOS had two recruitment threads one for EU specifically and the other one get locked by moderator for making duplicated thread.

Dear Anet,

Please adjust the way the queue works so that it checks the number of infractions you have on the forums and adds 15 minutes to your wait for each one you’ve earned. Kinda like how halo gave you a respawn penalty for killing friendlies.

Thank You Much.

Elthurien.8356:

Art.9820:

covenn.7165:

stating fact

Sadly your “state” is mostly used as an excuse, don’t confuse passive-aggressive posts with reliable and objetive ones, no doubt that you ‘ve been complaining for last couple days :P, you’ve been using “coverage” in almost every post, when people actually acknowledge this… but you keep insisting on it

In his defence how is it any different from people chest beating about dominating the entire map when we all know there is little opposition?

Personally I’m not phased by the scoreboard at all, when we are losing to superior numbers I just roam and search for the smaller fights. Zerging is boring imo

In all fairness to me, that is exactly what I was responding to. I am glad you saw it.

Major.8927:

I also believe you can control the PPT from your server as a whole. I Like the fact you enjoy competition and I would definitely encourage you in continuing to do so.

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team.

Please don’t pretend JQ is unique in that. We picked up a lot of excellent guild too. You had a higher base than us from the beginning and you really can’t argue with me on that because I started out on JQ. When I transferred to SoR there was practically nobody when the server was in 17th place. As far as community building skills, I think SoR has done a kitten fine job.

Major.8927:

I agree we have coverage but we worked hard for that to happen. JQ put in the effort to invite guilds from other servers and we would invite you so we know we would always stay strong. Coverage doesn’t happen by itself. Success never happens by itself.

Again, please stop pretending like you are unique in this. It is quite disrespectful. JQ has always had a strong base from day 1 and I know it first hand.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

How did this thread not get shut down? That’s a miracle in itself. Come on SoR you guys should know better than taking troll bait, especially TW.

Who is taking and who is giving? Personally, I am too nice of a person to take from others.

The solution to all our problems is simple. During times when one server has more players than the others, turn the players into doors, and the doors into players. Then, it will be Door vs Player, and it will be much more even.

Seriously though, I too welcome even battles, and I play WvW to have fun, so if one server is ahead in PPT and one isn’t, or score, or whatever, I don’t mind, as long as the fights are fun. I salute JQ on their superior scoring at this point, and I salute SoS for the past, and I salute SoR for similar, and I say – ROCK ON

It ain’t nothin’ but a party

Major.8927:

morrolan.9608:

No server wins due to skill, any win is purely due to coverage. It was the same when SOS was winning and its the same now with JQ.

I agree we have coverage but we worked hard for that to happen. JQ put in the effort to invite guilds from other servers and we would invite you so we know we would always stay strong. Coverage doesn’t happen by itself. Success never happens by itself.

SOS was successful and I for sure would want SOS to stay in tier one. What “skill” did SOS execute to maintain number one? Anyone can say coverage, but it takes skill to have “good” coverage.

Skill in marketing yourself on the forums? Big deal, thats got nothing to do with skill ingame which is whats under discussion. SOS did actually try and recruit but got laughed at because we had won for however many weeks in a row at that point.

Kiltor.9362:

Major.8927:

morrolan.9608:

Major.8927:

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team.

No server wins due to skill, any win is purely due to coverage. It was the same when SOS was winning and its the same now with JQ.

I agree we have coverage but we worked hard for that to happen. JQ put in the effort to invite guilds from other servers and we would invite you so we know we would always stay strong. Coverage doesn’t happen by itself. Success never happens by itself.

SOS was successful and I for sure would want SOS to stay in tier one. What “skill” did SOS execute to maintain number one? Anyone can say coverage, but it takes skill to have “good” coverage.

Anyways, done with forums. You guys have been awesome. =D

But inviting other guilds to form one mass server to have coverage away from other servers creates an imbalance. Here is where we say coverage comes into play. if JQ has 10 guilds covering SOS/SOR total for there SEA/OCE times then why not split it to make it even so we all have fights 24/7. You dont get bored fighting doors i suppose if this isnt what we all really want.

Kind of hard to be done with forums, when you see someone doesn’t want to see a resolution. Blame is easy, reflecting is hard. I think you guys can get the numbers, I think you guys have enough contacts to exercise them and I’m sure you know who to contact.

You know what, I’m going to let you have the last word. You tell me how your system works within the next three to six months. Is it easier to blame someone? Or, is it easier to put in that effort to inviting “anyone” to make your server stronger? SOR is a great server, you guys can be greater server by teaching us to be a bigger person than trying to find blame. And if you want to play with these “bigger” guilds, contact them. I’m sure they’ll talk to you, unless you block them.

Other than that, take care!

What we need is a WvW Battle Royal. Shut down the BL’s and put every server in the same EB and let everyone just duke it out for a week.

i love cat fights!!!!!! Too bad you guys are posting instead of killing each other on WvsW :P

HunterGreen.8071:

What we need is a WvW Battle Royal. Shut down the BL’s and put every server in the same EB and let everyone just duke it out for a week.

Now that would be interesting… A giant map with 21 different PKs with a giant open field in the middle.

Hey is it true Patone is back? :O That’s great news! Now all we need is Kurthos and Jedahs back to motivate SOS again into fighting shape. I haven’t been doing wvw recently coz I’m at least a month shy of making my 2nd legendary. No time to waste! LOL

HunterGreen.8071:

What we need is a WvW Battle Royal. Shut down the BL’s and put every server in the same EB and let everyone just duke it out for a week.

nice idea, but i think that Battle Arena where races fight each other will be cooler.

humansvsasurasvsnornsvscharss.

that reminds me an old game i use to play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwMHUbh1as

Time is a good judge, in daoc, there was a leader who just did late night clears of the relics and keeps, every night for years, time has not judged him as a quality player with kick kitten strats and leadership.

What makes JQ worse, is … They have Europeans playing on North American servers, avoiding competitive play on their own European servers. Why would you do that? They would rather pve doors then engage in fun competitive fights, speaks volumes.

Now, on the plus side, at least it resets the map so that JQ can get dominated during NA primetime.

Leo Paul.1659:

Hey is it true Patone is back? :O That’s great news! Now all we need is Kurthos and Jedahs back to motivate SOS again into fighting shape. I haven’t been doing wvw recently coz I’m at least a month shy of making my 2nd legendary. No time to waste! LOL

Yep he’s back. Just when we needed him the most too =)

Arhen.6593:

Time is a good judge, in daoc, there was a leader who just did late night clears of the relics and keeps, every night for years, time has not judged him as a quality player with kick kitten strats and leadership.

What makes JQ worse, is … They have Europeans playing on North American servers, avoiding competitive play on their own European servers. Why would you do that? They would rather pve doors then engage in fun competitive fights, speaks volumes.

Now, on the plus side, at least it resets the map so that JQ can get dominated during NA primetime.

Cause European players wanted to play with NA friends it’s a crime? Wow you sound a bit mad. Bear in mind that we don’t even have a prevalent European guild but players from EU and NA who play during EU prime. That would be like telling someone who sometimes plays EU prime that they have to transfer to an EU server to play those select few days they play EU times.

A wild Patone appeared in SM today, not sure if it’s a sign of seasons changing in the game or just a legendary encounter. Only time will tell. Maybe keep your master ball handy just in case.

I’m very skeptical of the recruitment vs recruitment debate. When the conclusion is the server that recruits the best is the one that wins, the real fighting in WvW isn’t being done in WvW (the “most successful” guilds in the game – the ones with the most tier one wins, do so not by being good at WvW but by being good at transferring to servers they know will win with a little added coverage from their guild and the bandwagoners). Suggesting that people respond to server recruiting by scavenging other servers to pillage their WvW guilds (and all the damage that does to the pillaged servers and the people left behind) just seems counter productive to me. It’s a great way to insert more chaos into WvW populations and create more imbalanced match ups (in tier one we see it, the pillaged servers get farmed for weeks and imbalance lower tiers as well). I don’t think “recruit more” is a healthy attitude for WvW, there are other tiers outside of tier one, stacking everyone in tier one is selfish and unhealthy for the game.

People talked about how closing free transfers would save WvW, well with the news of Agg (AGG?) and FoE leaving, it’s not looking like that’s entirely true. Maybe instead of looking at the symptom (people leaving servers) ArenaNet and the community should look at the problem. Why do players feel like they need to transfer off of servers in the first place? Why was it so tempting for everyone to create a super server instead of being content on their home server and enjoying WvW there? I think there are inherent flaws in the design of WvW that encourage players to server hop, flaws that are going to be there whether transfers are free or not. All paid transfers are doing is locking down the poor people who can’t go where they want to go for the game experience they want to have, and cashing in on the transfers who want to leave because the way the game was designed resulted in a bad experience for them. It’s literally profiting off of their failures. ArenaNet needs to look at why players want to transfer off of servers, not lock them down to servers when they’d rather be elsewhere.

@Shiren, I could only think of a sense of abandonment and lack of the support if the WvW overall populous is dwindling. It makes it hard on the teams left and they can get demoralized by getting ran over by trains.

“Why do players feel like they need to transfer off of servers in the first place? Why was it so tempting for everyone to create a super server instead of being content on their home server and enjoying WvW there?”

More than anything, really, I think people just like to have fun. I can honestly see how AGG and FoE might not have been having much of that lately, as T1 is a pressure cooker even when your server is 100% up and fighting. T2 definitely seems to have that ‘fun’ factor, without the pressure of having to win/stay in T1. When you get demoralized, it takes a while to bounce back. Having some fun smashy times with a new server… yeah, I can see the appeal there. I don’t know how anet could fix this, that said. AGG/Foe feel free to correct me if I’m wrong here, and you really just moved to BG for naked yak parades. I don’t judge.

As for those leaving sinking ships, the same is likely true. Being turned into paste all week for months on end while you tumble down the ladder isn’t fun for anyone. With the way glicko er… ‘works’ I don’t see this changing much.

Now, I can’t really speak on why everyone decided on JQ. They likely all have their own reasons, ranging from ‘fun’ to ‘community’ to ’Let’s be real, I just want to turn SoS into a fine paste’. All are valid reasons, since we all have a right to play this game any dang way we want.

Whatever their reasons were for moving, it feels almost like people would have rather we told guilds “I’m sorry, you can’t do what you want/what will be fun for you; you need to move to X server instead.”

I’m glad your commander is back. SoS is made of sturdy stuff, and I don’t think you guys are the type to fall apart if you spend some time losing. Hell, if we’d just given up when we were losing, we’d be in t8 by now.

Major.8927:

Kiltor.9362:

Major.8927:

morrolan.9608:

Major.8927:

I know many have said JQ haven’t been winning due to skills but because of coverage. I do want to point it out that it takes mad skills to communicate, coordinate and organize the coverage we have. JQ is a team.

No server wins due to skill, any win is purely due to coverage. It was the same when SOS was winning and its the same now with JQ.

I agree we have coverage but we worked hard for that to happen. JQ put in the effort to invite guilds from other servers and we would invite you so we know we would always stay strong. Coverage doesn’t happen by itself. Success never happens by itself.

SOS was successful and I for sure would want SOS to stay in tier one. What “skill” did SOS execute to maintain number one? Anyone can say coverage, but it takes skill to have “good” coverage.

Anyways, done with forums. You guys have been awesome. =D

But inviting other guilds to form one mass server to have coverage away from other servers creates an imbalance. Here is where we say coverage comes into play. if JQ has 10 guilds covering SOS/SOR total for there SEA/OCE times then why not split it to make it even so we all have fights 24/7. You dont get bored fighting doors i suppose if this isnt what we all really want.

Kind of hard to be done with forums, when you see someone doesn’t want to see a resolution. Blame is easy, reflecting is hard. I think you guys can get the numbers, I think you guys have enough contacts to exercise them and I’m sure you know who to contact.

You know what, I’m going to let you have the last word. You tell me how your system works within the next three to six months. Is it easier to blame someone? Or, is it easier to put in that effort to inviting “anyone” to make your server stronger? SOR is a great server, you guys can be greater server by teaching us to be a bigger person than trying to find blame. And if you want to play with these “bigger” guilds, contact them. I’m sure they’ll talk to you, unless you block them.

Other than that, take care!

within the last 3 months we have gone from #17-2, dunno bout you but i think we doing just fine. But i do look forward to fights, not fighting keeps or yaks.

Nuvo.5014:

I love all the QQ of SoR

I love all the bags of JQ and SoS.
Had a zerg just chase me from wood to literally the top of the map I’ve never seen with spiders on JQ map until it withered down to 3, turned around and wrecked them. That’s just silly. Maybe I’ll try 4 next time.

Good hunting.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

chronos.4239:

covenn.7165:

profitsports.5789:

then maybe you two servers should jus get the hell out and make way for kaineng and blackgate, the true tier one servers

Having fought Blackgate for far more weeks than you. I can safely say that they have less coverage than JQ and their NA presence isn’t as good either. They belong in T1 of SoS most likely. They have better coverage than SoR but a far worse NA crew, so I am not so sure they ‘deserve’ T1 and more than SoR despite all the Pvdoor they did for numerous weeks uncontested to run up score.

That was a long time ago my friend. Blackgates guilds are far more improved then the days of being in tier 2. We are far more battle tested then you are seeing as this is your first stint in tier 1. Get ready for that third place spot when bg returns to tier 1 my friend

I like your confidence but trust me SoR is much stronger than BG now even with your recent transfers from foE and AGG.

I’m pretty sure Blackgates perfect 11-0 record against SoR says otherwise but you can keep thinking what you want to make yourself feel better.

Nuvo.5014:

I love all the QQ of SoR

Hahah you can’t spell sore without SoR!
jk :P

Seeing as no one has posted in defence of this issue i just want to let all of those on Sea of Sorrows know that the server is not going downhill, yes we had a hiccup and lost two guilds but when the dust cleares i believe we will be a stronger server. Essentially it’s a blessing in disguise because it’s making us work harder and become more united ie leading us to finally kickstart some schemes that should have been implemented along time ago.

Alright i’m out chao btw we ticked 385 tonight =)

Le Rooster.8715:

Seeing as no one has posted in defence of this issue i just want to let all of those on Sea of Sorrows know that the server is not going downhill, yes we had a hiccup and lost two guilds but when the dust cleares i believe we will be a stronger server. Essentially it’s a blessing in disguise because it’s making us work harder and become more united ie leading us to finally kickstart some schemes that should have been implemented along time ago.

Alright i’m out chao btw we ticked 385 tonight =)

Good to hear. Salute the tenacity, would be monumental if SoS pulls it off. Re-energizing the militia probably be one of the harder aspects.

Vodka.3958:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

chronos.4239:

covenn.7165:

profitsports.5789:

then maybe you two servers should jus get the hell out and make way for kaineng and blackgate, the true tier one servers

Having fought Blackgate for far more weeks than you. I can safely say that they have less coverage than JQ and their NA presence isn’t as good either. They belong in T1 of SoS most likely. They have better coverage than SoR but a far worse NA crew, so I am not so sure they ‘deserve’ T1 and more than SoR despite all the Pvdoor they did for numerous weeks uncontested to run up score.

That was a long time ago my friend. Blackgates guilds are far more improved then the days of being in tier 2. We are far more battle tested then you are seeing as this is your first stint in tier 1. Get ready for that third place spot when bg returns to tier 1 my friend

I like your confidence but trust me SoR is much stronger than BG now even with your recent transfers from foE and AGG.

I’m pretty sure Blackgates perfect 11-0 record against SoR says otherwise but you can keep thinking what you want to make yourself feel better.

To be fair, 9 of those wins were against our doors.

hey Vodka, Please get back to Tier 1 quickly.

Our doors demand vengeance ! xD

Wow, i feel really bad for you JQ guys that had to be in JQ BL last night ( NA primetime)…. seriously…. that was pretty brutal.

@Jedbacca do you really think that SoS abandoned WvW given the score SoS has been able to hold against two very strong servers? Sure they aren’t winning, they aren’t even coming second, but they also didn’t get the crazy transfers other servers got, they are dealing with burn out from so many weeks winning tier one and an opposition that has more players than they have spots on maps. JQ is far more populated that SoS ever was, it certainly has more people than SoS now. SoR came close to beating SoS on it’s way up to tier one, they were always strong (I’m amazed it took so long for them to reach tier one, then again SBI lingered for too long because of the way ratings “work”) and with new transfers they are stronger than before. I think a full force SoS could (I’m not saying would, I’m saying could – back off with the pitch forks SoR) beat them but it’s not a 1v1, WvWvW doesn’t work that way. As much as people stopped turning up due to lower morale, the biggest reason for the PPT difference is even when they do, JQ largely outnumbers them.

A lot of the population “issues” SoS is currently facing were around when they were winning. There is this perception of the server dominating with crazy numbers, but I was there when TSym would regularly be up until 1am in their part of the world on a week night to keep the score going, I played with AFS until crazy hours in the morning when all you could hear on TS was Grekkz laughing hysterically like a hyena (I named my pet after him) because he was so sleep deprived trying to hold the PPT until reset. The players didn’t abandon SoS and I honestly believe the score shows that. This is tier one, you don’t phone in a score, even a losing one.

I don’t think the problems facing the server are as bad as they are being made out on the forums, especially not as bad as FoE and Agg (AGG?) seem to think they are. I’m really disappointed they didn’t stick it out to see how things turned out if SoS does end up in tier two.

Things are actually looking really good in game over the last couple of days. Guilds are organising a lot more between each others, people are rallying together and working together, I’ve seen more community in the last few days than I saw when SoS was winning (and I’m not just talking about the TV show). Some big changes for the better, it’s actually a good time to build something new now and people are taking that chance. I’m cautiously excited about the future for SoS, if they end up in tier two Kaineng would be a fantastic match up. Their oceanic force would give SoS a run for its money and balance out the match in that time zone, their NA force is also probably competitive now, so as jaded as I am about the way WvW, transfers, score boards, rankings etc all work, I can see things working out well for SoS if they drop. If SoS rallys together and manages to stay in tier one (I still think there is a good shot at this, the core of the community is still around and still adjusting to the new terrain, it’s a rebuilding process and I can see it happening) then there’s competition to be had there.

That was a whole lot of words to essentially say I agree with Le Rooster. SoS isn’t a sinking ship, it’s a phoenix.

So the next challenge is JQ having to beat SoR during NA primetime, eh?

We’ll work on that.

Of course it is the players. There are plenty of ecceptions but a large portion of t1 players have a certain mindset and are willing to move servers constantly. In NA, people want to win super badly and only care about the score it seems (in EU this is a bit different because there is more guild rivalry in battles but winning still matters ofc).

I’m from a t4 EU server but would never force my members to change servers. Honestly, if a guildleader wants to move coz they can’t win with their server, despite being in t1, where the action is always high quality, he is forgetting it’s just a game. Of course there are also good reasons for moving. In t4 EU we have max 5m queues during primetime and a friendly community. That’s why i enjoy our server! We have loads of fun when we play and just because an enemy server does nightcapping now and then or something like that, it doesn’t bother us to the point that we move to a different server. Winning is great but only playing to win is lame.

Where did all our elitist and super competitive people go (former Gandarans)? To the t1/2 servers and we are fine with that. So you must understand that’s it’s really the players in the higher tiers that have this mindset. Sure, in lower tiers, guilds also move but that’s mainly to prevent queues or totally empty maps.

Also, you can see this mindset based on how the t1/2 threads are progressing. It’s always funny drama and excuses blablabla. 99% of outsiders are laughing when reading this thread. Nobody is taking this serious but yourselves.

Just sayin’

^ +1 to what the Shiren.9532 said.

Still plenty of amazing commanders on SoS and awesome guilds like VotF which are so fun to play with even as a “PUG”. The population might be a bit down (maybe?) during weekdays due to some unknown reasons but to say SoS is dead is pffft.

We’ll be fighting even if we’re 3rd.

For those of us Oceanics who played on SoS from a long time ago we’re used to having nothing at the Oceanic prime time start and JQ won’t demoralize us that easily with their 600 ppts!

I just have one question for all of those claiming JQ is only numbers…

If all we are is numbers how come when you have equal numbers in prime time U.S JQ is still steamrolling both servers ? Surely with your godly " skill " you would be able to take all our keeps and spawn camp us …

JQ does have more coverage but if you think that’s the only reason were winning you are deluding yourself. This week has been the most boring week in WvW i have had since joining the game. I can literally run around with the zerg and press 1 and collect bags. Something i couldn’t do while facing the " out maned " Black Gate server.