What an interesting week. Congrats to JQ on their comeback. BG had me there for a bit thinking they were going to win, but unfortunately some things don’t change. Once again they sleep at the wrong time, quit when down, and can’t get back into it. The fact SoR has more points than BG at this time is a bit sad.
If it’s true that BG has queues, then it goes back to my original point in how BG lacks skill and isn’t T1 material. Really, there is no excuse if you have two servers merge that have spent a lot of time in T1 and T2 to lose so embarrassingly.
As for 2v1… the only case in which I saw 2v1 was when we (BG) fought SBI and JQ. We were getting camped at our spawn. When I was playing, we killed equally as many BG and as we did JQ. In fact, during the later hours its more of SoR being 2v1’d because JQ and BG are trying to take our undefended objectives because everyone called it a night. Funny how they go around talking about excuse making then talk about a 2v1….
See ya all tonight after reset. Gotta get them badges for the blackout.
Raven, you sir are as clueless and pathetic to listen to now that you are on SoR as you were on Blackgate. I not only feel sorry for you, but even more so for your new server mates. I wonder if you are getting laughed at as much on SoR as you were on BG.
Take a friendly advice and dont post on any forums.
Hands off my octopus would love to play other groups but we only have about 6 ppl online at any given time so couldn’t we do a 5v5??? come on:D
I think its a great idea, you should start one!
A warrior, a guardian, and an elementalist walk into an open field…
The Warrior turns to the guardian and says, “Did you hear something?”
Guardian replies, “No, but how’d the elementalist die?”
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.
I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers.
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.
I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers than the opposing Zergs.
Overwhelming numbers are not that big of a deal any longer. I’ve seen and been apart of groups where 15 have taken 30-40 on and won handily. There is a LOT of strategy involved with movement on the field as well as group composition. The meta has evolved…
Secondly, Icoa…. I only see 1 fight where there are TW dead bodies… and that fight isn’t even the full fight. You should link the full fight I am sure the rest of the people would get a kick out of it.
This screen was less about the fight and more about the loot bags (30ish from that one spot) i didn’t even know i had because they weren’t rendered. I got quite a shock when I spammed F and got invisible loot.
Chest-thumping, am i doing it right?
Only 30 bags? If we’re chest-thumping here I may have to one up you by at least 60 bags.
May not be about BG and Icoa, but I believe it meets the chest-thumping standards.
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.
I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers than the opposing Zergs.
This week has been a blast, some of the most fun I’v had in ZergvsZerg! The guilds are getting better and better on all sides! Where I agree that from a solo roaming perspective T1 is not as much fun, 1v3+ is fun and all but its hard to compete with the shear numbers of these groups sometimes. That being said, I love BG being in T1! JQ and SoR are great servers and will force BG players and guilds to improve and adapt! If you want to be the best you have to fight the best and thats what we have here in T1! Good luck everyone in the weeks to come!
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.
I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers.
Foo is the biggest SEA guild across all servers, no other zerg has outnumbered them all week so far.
I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.
The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.
I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.
The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.
HOD was my original server. We were in Tier 1 but never came in 1st. I came to Blackgate in mid Oct.
I did not mean 2on1 I thought of sor as more of a non combatant. I know a few of their guilds poped in to fight and fight they did, but there was never really any action from them – advantage.
I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.
The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.
HOD was my original server. We were in Tier 1 but never came in 1st. I came to Blackgate in mid Oct.
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.
I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers.
Foo is the biggest SEA guild across all servers, no other zerg has outnumbered them all week so far.
Coverage does not equal Zerg size, yesterday I have seen [agg] with a 70 man Zerg get obliterated by a 40 man [Foo] Zerg again and again. It all comes down to skill honestly.
I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.
The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.
HOD was my original server. We were in Tier 1 but never came in 1st. I came to Blackgate in mid Oct.
They might have won those 1st couple weeks that aren’t listed on the medals chart but I really don’t remember winning them. I remember a long streak in the beta and I think that’s the number they are referring to when they said they went 7-0. The medals page is only missing the 1st 2 or 3 weeks not 7. As for the 30-0 against other alliances/servers I’m not sure what they meant by that either. Spvp maybe. The whole post doesn’t really make sense. I started on HOD on release day.
If you stared on HoD at release then you probably weren’t paying attention to WvW. HoD won every single one day match, and all of their 3 day matches. TA broke up and the server was abandoned just after the 1 week match format was implemented.
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.
I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers.
Foo is the biggest SEA guild across all servers, no other zerg has outnumbered them all week so far.
Coverage does not equal Zerg size, yesterday I have seen [agg] with a 70 man Zerg get obliterated by a 40 man [Foo] Zerg again and again. It all comes down to skill honestly.
Since when does [Agg] field 70+……lol, and FOO zergs during NA time?
Coverage does not equal Zerg size, yesterday I have seen [agg] with a 70 man Zerg get obliterated by a 40 man [Foo] Zerg again and again. It all comes down to skill honestly.
I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.
The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.
HOD was my original server. We were in Tier 1 but never came in 1st. I came to Blackgate in mid Oct.
They might have won those 1st couple weeks that aren’t listed on the medals chart but I really don’t remember winning them. I remember a long streak in the beta and I think that’s the number they are referring to when they said they went 7-0. The medals page is only missing the 1st 2 or 3 weeks not 7. As for the 30-0 against other alliances/servers I’m not sure what they meant by that either. Spvp maybe. The whole post doesn’t really make sense. I started on HOD on release day.
They won for a month straight. None of that was Beta or sPVP. That post will only not make sense if you didn’t follow WvW back then.
You not remembering / not believing / putting too much stock into Millenium’s site doesn’t make it not true. Seriously, spend like 10 minutes looking at old threads on Guru.
I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.
The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.
HOD was my original server. We were in Tier 1 but never came in 1st. I came to Blackgate in mid Oct.
They might have won those 1st couple weeks that aren’t listed on the medals chart but I really don’t remember winning them. I remember a long streak in the beta and I think that’s the number they are referring to when they said they went 7-0. The medals page is only missing the 1st 2 or 3 weeks not 7. As for the 30-0 against other alliances/servers I’m not sure what they meant by that either. Spvp maybe. The whole post doesn’t really make sense. I started on HOD on release day.
The game released the end of August they started with the short matches then went to three days, then went to the week matches of which the first two weeks were not recorded on MoS. HoD won all the short matches. Also I do believe they were including the beta weekend ones. And also the first two weeks I believe.
Yeah I don’t think AGG has 70 people. It might’ve been a 70 man BG zerg with AGG as a part of it.
Also I don’t really see how there’s much skill involved in all these zerg fights. Skill has become a catch-all word for a number of things which could be thought of separately. The ones I’ve participated in hinged more on effective and efficient communication, build synergy and mass coordination than what I think of as skill. I basically just spam buttons and things either die and I move forward or we die and I move backwards. Maybe the melee classes have it tougher since they’re in the thick of it but from what I’ve seen of guardian/warrior zerg play most of the time they’re just spamming buttons and auto attack cleaving.
But perhaps we’ve all been zerging so much that the bar has just been lowered in people’s minds for what counts as “skill.”
Im sorry my HB brothers but its true. This whole time we were actually a SEA guild with 100+ members. But now that we have been exposed and obliterated by FOO we are moving back to the states. I hope we pick jersey
If you stared on HoD at release then you probably weren’t paying attention to WvW. HoD won every single one day match, and all of their 3 day matches. TA broke up and the server was abandoned just after the 1 week match format was implemented.
GG Blackgate! You guys and girls are a class act. Keep up that fighting spirit. This was one of the best weeks ever thanks to you. We are all winners this week (except for SoS).
That whole time the winners were the exploiters its the reason Hod fell from grace 2 weeks after the big fix. It is also funny how a patch is missing and some of these exploits have been poping up again from the same guys.
I guess it doesn’t pay to be the good guys.
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I might get laughed at for saying this, but I think there is still skill involved in zerg v zerg scenarios, assuming the numbers of each zerg are relatively equal. But it’s a different kind of skill than what is normally employed in small scale or 1v1 scenarios. It’s more about overall class composition, using certain skills at the front line at the right time, and zerg movement based on a commander’s direction.
I might get laughed at for saying this, but I think there is still skill involved in zerg v zerg scenarios, assuming the numbers of each zerg are relatively equal. But it’s a different kind of skill than what is normally employed in small scale or 1v1 scenarios. It’s more about overall class composition, using certain skills at the front line at the right time, and zerg movement based on a commander’s direction.
In my mind the difference is mainly between what I call macro-level counterplay and micro-level counterplay. I suppose that when I encounter the word “skill” my mind immediately leaps to micro-level counterplay because that’s how the word was used in other games I’ve played. This is a different game though and perhaps I should be more open to considering macro-level counterplay as well.
For those wondering how BG went from having many keeps to barely any last night, and for those under the impression JQ won by simply pulling everything together, let me explain what happened.
Last night around the time the night shift was coming on, there was a report of PRX (From JQ) exploiting in order to take a keep. It was reported on page 24-26. A Mesmer in this guild would get downed, use a skill, and get ported into the keep, they would then drop an exit to their portal and allow the zerg to rush in and take the keep. This was reported numerous times on many different keeps. That is how we went from several keeps to barely any in such a small amount of time. Obviously SoR was going to be saved for last because they were obviously not going to win. This apparently continued until the guild member left. JQ apparently succeeded in sweeping this under the rug because not only was it barely mentioned, but JQ didn’t even bother to find out who the person doing the exploit was. We couldn’t because we were getting zerged down after each exploit. JQ did not win fairly and anyone on last night knows this. This is where the 2v1 accusations are coming from, but that wasn’t the case. It was someone from PRX (I believe) exploiting into keeps last night. The report about it is on Page 24-26, in that range, along with JQ ignoring it for the most part. Congrats guys on trashing the good name of JQ again. But if you honestly believe that the JQ coverage jumped for no reason at all on a THURSDAY then by all means think that. But it goes against every battle everyone has ever faced in WvW.
Here is quote from the top of page 25:
Interesting morning where i saw Jade Quarry doing some very unsportsmanlike things.
I myself am simply a solo SoR thief, and was minding my own business between east supply and Hills. I make my way down the back valley towards Hills where i saw a JQ zerg all stacked up under the Vista of the BG owned Keep.
I thought, oh cool im gonna watch this, so stayed back watching and saw the commander was in PRX, and then saw a mesmer jump from above to teleport them in, i didnt catch the mesmer’s tag. I looked up and saw a bunch of BG at the top where the mesmer jumped from, it was the guild HB. The Mesmer died on his fall, which was funny.
The HB crew then went from sight, maybe to engage the JQ below, and the PRX zerg rezzed up the fallen Mesmer. The mesmer then jumps UP the cliff to the Vista and ports the whole PRX zerg up to the top. If i knew what they were doing i would have turned Fraps on.
Very bad PRX, very bad.
Then, about 20 minutes later im walking past hills again and see that its open, so i pop inside for a look around and see FOO outside the Lords room. This was pretty fun to watch until i saw exactly what they were doing. They had an arrow cart to the left of the lord room, and when i say left i dont mean just to the left so he can still view the doorway, i mean way left towards the supply hut. The guy is standing there firing his arrow cart INTO the lord room, obviously killing all the seige that was inside before they rolled in and killed HB.
So, if you win this game JQ, i would like to say grats but unfortunately i can’t as i now do not know exactly how many of those points you have cheated your way to.
Good Luck Blackgate, i hope you win this one even though i hate you.
Apparently the guy that reported this was from SoR…and PRX are pretty much known to do stuff like this.
you can’t just ninja all the keeps and win the match.
the maps are a lot less static than that.
in any case, would you mind making a new thread for your exploit/hack stuff?
You can ninja all the keeps and win if the people trying to take them back actually have to destroy the door first. Keep in mind what they were doing only took a few mins to do.
Coverage does not equal Zerg size, yesterday I have seen [agg] with a 70 man Zerg get obliterated by a 40 man [Foo] Zerg again and again. It all comes down to skill honestly.
Since when does [Agg] field 70+……lol, and FOO zergs during NA time?
FOo have been super sneaky in hiding their true time zone. They’re all secretly housed in an abandoned missile silo in the bible belt of America.
Someone in Agg must have found out their secret, and thus FOo had to come out to silence them.
…I keep asking myself, “Am I a masochist?” I keep coming back to these forums and reading, and each time I read these forums I have to queue really super epic music. It makes the forum warrior in the posts that much more hardcore.
Anyway, good match this week. BG, you have some solid teams out there, hats off to ya. SoR, I will crack that 80 man blob more on a regular basis with 30-40 SF, give us a few more days
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Secondly, Icoa…. I only see 1 fight where there are TW dead bodies… and that fight isn’t even the full fight. You should link the full fight I am sure the rest of the people would get a kick out of it.
This screen was less about the fight and more about the loot bags (30ish from that one spot) i didn’t even know i had because they weren’t rendered. I got quite a shock when I spammed F and got invisible loot.
Chest-thumping, am i doing it right?
Only 30 bags? If we’re chest-thumping here I may have to one up you by at least 60 bags.
May not be about BG and Icoa, but I believe it meets the chest-thumping standards.
If I could figure out how to get 90 bags from 40 people, I’d be one happy camper. Sadly I have yet to figure out how to exceed the set kill/bag ratio. Maybe I can kill, res the player myself and kill them again…. Or maybe kill their ghost…
The pic was only about the absurdity of the culling, but since Fixeon brought up a topic that I could also use that pic for I thought I’d go for 3 birds with 1 stone.
1. Attempt to Chust-thump SOR style (LEWRT BERGS!)
2. show SOR wiped by ICoa and friends
3. ??
4. and to point out the atrocities of having said bags hidden.
