Apparently saying goodbye was a “I quit” thread, so yeah, so far the arrowcarts has not done much good.
It is and no one trying to stop you or others from doing so. If this is your “i quit” moment why did you not quit when the game first came out because AC have been a major counter to numbers of ppl all weapons of WvW. If you cant adapted to it then just run others are making adjustments with out ever coming on these forms to say how bad something is or how good something is.
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Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
Server : FA
Not up to me how my fellow guildies are behaving. I haven’t done any trolling or joking around thus far. I’ve given thought out responses of my own opinion, and if you don’t like it, that’s fine with me.
I am not saying anything about your specific opinion, I’m talking about the kitten your guildies are doing which is very, very much impacting my opinion of your guild and, therein, my opinion in general. I’d be all for having a sensible debate (and I’ve been in this and other threads doing just that) but nonsense like that really ruins the mood and any desire I might have (and you’d better believe the dev’s too) of talking at all.
And patches like this remove my desire to take any of this seriously because even if this change is reverted the damage is done. Whoever is in charge of wvw as it stands doesnt actually know what they are doing.
I dont need to bully anybody into accepting my opinion, it concerns me not what some random pug like Miff thinks.
with T2 servers purposely avoiding T1, how much of that + the arrowcart patch could you take? Especially when an entire server (Vizuna) was already known for sitting in towers/keeps and manning 50 million arrow carts
Note that it’s been happening for quite a long while.
Given the absolutely juvenille nature that your members are going on about, at this very moment, spamming the forum…
…Its as if you wanted your opinion to look childish/worse off or something with these antics.
You have three idiots spamming the forum as if we cared about them in some great way. No, we don’t, and it paints your guild poorly.
We are some of the fiercest debaters in this thread that is true, and we all stand on the same side of the argument, but we do reply with arguments and we don’t use rude remarks or similar to try make a point.
But nice of you to try undermine us anti-AC-buff by calling us juvenile.
with T2 servers purposely avoiding T1, how much of that + the arrowcart patch could you take? Especially when an entire server (Vizuna) was already known for sitting in towers/keeps and manning 50 million arrow carts
Note that it’s been happening for quite a long while.
Given the absolutely juvenille nature that your members are going on about, at this very moment, spamming the forum…
…Its as if you wanted your opinion to look childish/worse off or something with these antics.
You have three idiots spamming the forum as if we cared about them in some great way. No, we don’t, and it paints your guild poorly.
We are some of the fiercest debaters in this thread that is true, and we all stand on the same side of the argument, but we do reply with arguments and we don’t use rude remarks or similar to try make a point.
But nice of you to try undermine us anti-AC-buff by calling us juvenile.
I don’t think the juvenile part refers to VoTF as a whole. Just the few members who have demonstrated being so in this thread so far.
One of them is currently spamming the forums like a kid throwing a tantrum. You tell me that’s not juvenile.
Spamming forums is a tradition as old as the internet! We simply respect our environment.
And patches like this remove my desire to take any of this seriously because even if this change is reverted the damage is done. Whoever is in charge of wvw as it stands doesnt actually know what they are doing.
I dont need to bully anybody into accepting my opinion, it concerns me not what some random pug like Miff thinks.
Why do you, first of all, condescend someone’s opinion because they (may or may not be) a “pug”? What relevance does ad hominem have in this? I’ve played this game since launch and I run with the biggest guilds in BG but I don’t join them, does that make me a “pug” who’s opinion is worthless too?
The fact of the matter is we don’t all agree on the severity of the change: I think it’s a bit over the top in range because it can reach catapults on even terrain which makes it hard for them to hit walls, which is their only function. Yes, old strategies now don’t work but the damage, as it is, is of beta-era levels which people learned to work around before it was nerfed and the meta shifted into a state that it was in until a few days ago where attackers needed do nothing more than throw enough bodies at a gate to kill it while brushing off rather irrelevant superior AC fire that could be healed away with enough stacked blast finishers on water fields.
Are we also going to nerf balista for what they can do if used well in chokes (especially their #4 skill which can down 20+ people in a single volley)? You can’t treb baslista (can’t counter them in anyway as they have more range short of treb if elevated) that are lined and waiting on the inner chokes of garrison. People throw around 12 AC on a wall, what about 12 balista waiting behind a door? What are you going to do? Run in?
with T2 servers purposely avoiding T1, how much of that + the arrowcart patch could you take? Especially when an entire server (Vizuna) was already known for sitting in towers/keeps and manning 50 million arrow carts
Note that it’s been happening for quite a long while.
Given the absolutely juvenille nature that your members are going on about, at this very moment, spamming the forum…
…Its as if you wanted your opinion to look childish/worse off or something with these antics.
You have three idiots spamming the forum as if we cared about them in some great way. No, we don’t, and it paints your guild poorly.
We are some of the fiercest debaters in this thread that is true, and we all stand on the same side of the argument, but we do reply with arguments and we don’t use rude remarks or similar to try make a point.
But nice of you to try undermine us anti-AC-buff by calling us juvenile.
I don’t think the juvenile part refers to VoTF as a whole. Just the few members who have demonstrated being so in this thread so far.
One of them is currently spamming the forums like a kid throwing a tantrum. You tell me that’s not juvenile. It does no good to your image whether or not you are for or against the issue.
They’re usually not this big trolls they’re just very disappointed in the way Arenanet handled the goodbye-thread by IRON.
And patches like this remove my desire to take any of this seriously because even if this change is reverted the damage is done. Whoever is in charge of wvw as it stands doesnt actually know what they are doing.
I dont need to bully anybody into accepting my opinion, it concerns me not what some random pug like Miff thinks.
Why do you, first of all, condescend someone’s opinion because they (may or may not be) a “pug”? What relevance does ad hominem have in this? I’ve played this game since launch and I run with the biggest guilds in BG but I don’t join them, does that make me a “pug” who’s opinion is worthless too?
Because apparently our opinion should be undermined because we field a 20-30 man raid. Im just playing along with the rules, sorry I have no intention of being the “big man” or taking a high road. If people want to call us out as karma trainers or some other random stuff, then I will call those players out for being random pugs. Welcome to the internet.
Also its not an ad hominem, Im fairly sure I know who miff is, an engineer who used to play on IoJ, but he can correct me if I am wrong. Assuming its the same player, my point stands.
It is not the arrowcarts that are the problem! It is the rams and golems, they are useless they keep dieing when they are on the gate, as well as the men manning them.
It is not the arrowcarts that are the problem! It is the rams and golems, they are useless they keep dieing when they are on the gate, as well as the men manning them.
please fix this bug asap.
They gave rams a 30 second window of doing their thing to an undefended structure, I think that was the idea for balance. They’ll still melt a gate in 10 seconds…
It is not the arrowcarts that are the problem! It is the rams and golems, they are useless they keep dieing when they are on the gate, as well as the men manning them.
please fix this bug asap.
Actually TBH I think you might be right about this. From what I have seen the rams do take too much damage from AC. Im fine with the damage players are receiving, but the rams just seem go down a little too quick.
Actually TBH I think you might be right about this. From what I have seen the rams do take too much damage from AC. Im fine with the damage players are receiving, but the rams just seem go down a little too quick.
They may well buff rams but then you kinda have an issue with the rather massive 30 second timer. Then again, if its undefended completely… you probably didn’t deserve to hold it.
It is not the arrowcarts that are the problem! It is the rams and golems, they are useless they keep dieing when they are on the gate, as well as the men manning them.
please fix this bug asap.
Actually TBH I think you might be right about this. From what I have seen the rams do take too much damage from AC. Im fine with the damage players are receiving, but the rams just seem go down a little too quick.
It is not the arrowcarts that are the problem! It is the rams and golems, they are useless they keep dieing when they are on the gate, as well as the men manning them.
please fix this bug asap.
Actually TBH I think you might be right about this. From what I have seen the rams do take too much damage from AC. Im fine with the damage players are receiving, but the rams just seem go down a little too quick.
U r fine by taking 10k-25k damge every sec ??? wow m8 u are so strong and op. I think anet need to nerf u before the ac.
Rams do go down quick now, but I think reducing the damage that rams take from carts is the better solution rather than nerfing the carts. Maybe give players manning a ram some damage reduction as well. A passive ram mastery skill that gives 25% damage reduction to the player while on a ram could work.
Either that or make rams the only mobile siege. Then you could build them out of range and have a group wheel them up to the gate. You know, like real rams.
Rams do go down quick now, but I think reducing the damage that rams take from carts is the better solution rather than nerfing the carts.
Either that or make rams the only mobile siege. Then you could build them out of range and have a group wheel them up to the gate. You know, like real rams.
Yeah improved ram health is a good idea, still need some love for the the guy using it taking 10k damage a second from the 3 arrowcarts :P
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
The close proximities of those arrow carts make it easy for a treb to just destroy them all quickly. Plus that treb can be built at a relatively safe location, given where these arrow carts are being built.
What a waste of supplies.
except the treb will be destroyed by 3rd floor sm trebs before it can even fire one shot
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
The close proximities of those arrow carts make it easy for a treb to just destroy them all quickly. Plus that treb can be built at a relatively safe location, given where these arrow carts are being built.
What a waste of supplies.
You do understand there is a place to plant a Treb on the 3rd floor of SM that is impossible to hit right? Which has a higher vantage point that can hit any treb in range of those arrowcarts…
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
You do understand there is a place to plant a Treb on the 3rd floor of SM that is impossible to hit right? Which has a higher vantage point that can hit any treb in range of those arrowcarts…
Except that is nonsense as that treb cannot possibly cover every direction, nor are there a hundred trebs to cover every possible direction, and there are about an infinite number of angles from which you can be attacked with trebs to take out your arrow carts.
Flash build a treb already aimed where it needs to be aimed and fire it, even if you only get off one or two shots, the damage is already done. (Likely, given the slow rotating speed of treb, you’ll get more than just two shots off and thats more than enough for a pile of arrow carts.)
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
With SM it is possible to siege all outer gates with 10 Acarts and trebs on each of the 3rd tier arms that can hit pretty much anything that can hit SM. You then can still plant 10 carts on your keep plus have enough map siege limit for 10 carts per tower that you own (4) and still your map limit has not been achieved!
You do understand there is a place to plant a Treb on the 3rd floor of SM that is impossible to hit right? Which has a higher vantage point that can hit any treb in range of those arrowcarts…
Except that is nonsense as that treb cannot possibly cover every direction, nor are there a hundred trebs to cover every possible direction, and there are about an infinite number of angles from which you can be attacked with trebs to take out your arrow carts.
Flash build a treb already aimed where it needs to be aimed and fire it, even if you only get off one or two shots, the damage is already done. (Likely, given the slow rotating speed of treb, you’ll get more than just two shots off and thats more than enough for a pile of arrow carts.)
while true, how often is it that trebs hit exactly where we want them to hit on the first try?
This just in; at precisely 8:17 EST, SoR captured Stonemist in EB despite ferocious opposition by Blackgate. Many brave arrow carts died in the heroic defense, but oddly enough we took that kittene anyway.
People’s ignorance really pisses me off.
Stupidity is when you can’t help it;
Ignorance is when you choose not to understand.
I just manged to plant 31 arrowcarts on the north gate of SM. 15 on the ramparts 10 below and 6 on the third tier. All were able to hit the gate where they were placed.
Note: Just because they arent built doesnt mean they cannot be built. The siege limit was not hit due to AC’s now being able to hit for 3500 range while the siege limit range is per 1000(or there about). Im fairly certain I could place more on the upper tier where the Cannon is also that can hit. (edit: I just placed 6)
With SM it is possible to siege all outer gates with 10 Acarts and trebs on each of the 3rd tier arms that can hit pretty much anything that can hit SM. You then can still plant 10 carts on your keep plus have enough map siege limit for 10 carts per tower that you own (4) and still your map limit has not been achieved!
If you invest that much siege to defend SM or any keep, and have the coordination to make sure that siege is manned at each point your enemy begins to attack, then I would argue that keep should by all means be very difficult to take. Nothing wrong with game design there.
But if you’re saying that siege you have stacked up is going to make you never ever lose SM because of how OP the arrow carts are, well I guess time will tell how that one goes.
This just in; at precisely 8:17 EST, SoR captured Stonemist in EB despite ferocious opposition by Blackgate. Many brave arrow carts died in the heroic defense, but oddly enough we took that kittene anyway.
Impossible. This is an outright lie !
When someone uses the word ‘Meta’, a kitten dies. Don’t do it.
The arrow cart buff needed to be way more like 400% lets say… Killing people in 5-10 seconds is not good enough tbh it should be 2 shot kill.
Just more light shining on Anet the fact they do not care about wvw and have no clue. and B do not play own game. C dont use super ac in tests?.
The game has already gone threw 2 phases of people quitting after original people get bored or stop playing. Then of late a lot of guilds dieing off due to skill lag and bored of game. This is just one part of the final step to hammer in final coffin nail. Since anet dont have any plans to keep the progression of wvw going. Look at the time its taken to get some wvw patches and then the content added with it.
I will say its not just Anet on some of them problems alot of guilds could of just played as guilds in wvw instead of creating massive zergs which anet said the cpus could not handle but you still wanted to play dumb.
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This just in; at precisely 8:17 EST, SoR captured Stonemist in EB despite ferocious opposition by Blackgate. Many brave arrow carts died in the heroic defense, but oddly enough we took that kittene anyway.
Ah but were you in a zerg.
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I think this is a little too OP right now. Lower it down by 30% (so it’s 50% more effective than it was before the patch), and add the 30% as a bonus if you have the outmanned buff. There, you’ve made arrowcarts reasonably powerful without making them curbstomp powerful.
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And patches like this remove my desire to take any of this seriously because even if this change is reverted the damage is done. Whoever is in charge of wvw as it stands doesnt actually know what they are doing.
I dont need to bully anybody into accepting my opinion, it concerns me not what some random pug like Miff thinks.
Why do you, first of all, condescend someone’s opinion because they (may or may not be) a “pug”? What relevance does ad hominem have in this? I’ve played this game since launch and I run with the biggest guilds in BG but I don’t join them, does that make me a “pug” who’s opinion is worthless too?
It has more to do with their bully tactics. They think they can shout down anyone who disagrees with them, and because I’ve pointed out this fact, I’m number one on their hit list to bully into being quiet.
That they resort to doing this in an ad hominem way is just representative of their maturity.
And patches like this remove my desire to take any of this seriously because even if this change is reverted the damage is done. Whoever is in charge of wvw as it stands doesnt actually know what they are doing.
I dont need to bully anybody into accepting my opinion, it concerns me not what some random pug like Miff thinks.
Why do you, first of all, condescend someone’s opinion because they (may or may not be) a “pug”? What relevance does ad hominem have in this? I’ve played this game since launch and I run with the biggest guilds in BG but I don’t join them, does that make me a “pug” who’s opinion is worthless too?
It has more to do with their bully tactics. They think they can shout down anyone who disagrees with them, and because I’ve pointed out this fact, I’m number one on their hit list to bully into being quiet.
That they resort to doing this in an ad hominem way is just representative of their maturity.
<3 I am a bully on the internet!
As my posts are within the terms of agreement, and those of other votf members such as lance and caliban, I see no bullying, simply posting. We have the right to express our opinion as many times as we want and probably will continue to until this is reverted.
As my posts are within the terms of agreement, and those of other votf members such as lance and caliban,
Then on the other hand, there are the VoTF members that had a tantrum and vandalized this sub-forum with spam threads earlier today.
Stay classy VoTF
I endorse what they did as well. In fact, I was on comms laughing with them while they did it. We will do what we want with the forums until a developer responds. I am sorry I adversely effected your web browsing for the night. Except I couldnt care less.
As my posts are within the terms of agreement, and those of other votf members such as lance and caliban,
Then on the other hand, there are the VoTF members that had a tantrum and vandalized this sub-forum with spam threads earlier today.
Stay classy VoTF
I endorse what they did as well. In fact, I was on comms laughing with them while they did it. We will do what we want with the forums until a developer responds. I am sorry I adversely effected your web browsing for the night. Except I couldnt care less.
I’ll be honest. I thought it was hillarious as well. But either way, it won’t change how I act, what I’ve posted, what I will post, or my opinions.
As my posts are within the terms of agreement, and those of other votf members such as lance and caliban,
Then on the other hand, there are the VoTF members that had a tantrum and vandalized this sub-forum with spam threads earlier today.
Stay classy VoTF
I endorse what they did as well. In fact, I was on comms laughing with them while they did it. We will do what we want with the forums until a developer responds. I am sorry I adversely effected your web browsing for the night. Except I couldnt care less.
I’ll be honest. I thought it was hillarious as well.
The biggest issue with the AC update is that AC’s can be placed in areas where they cannot be attacked. For instance, in hills, a defender can put an AC inside the lord room, then shoot OUT of the room around corners, etc to hit people out of the lord room. If AC’s were logical in how they hit and acted (i.e. like arrow carts), and if there were ways to hit them if they can hit you (i.e. sometimes your camera won’t let you hit them, even though they can hit you).
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As my posts are within the terms of agreement, and those of other votf members such as lance and caliban,
Then on the other hand, there are the VoTF members that had a tantrum and vandalized this sub-forum with spam threads earlier today.
Stay classy VoTF
I endorse what they did as well. In fact, I was on comms laughing with them while they did it. We will do what we want with the forums until a developer responds. I am sorry I adversely effected your web browsing for the night. Except I couldnt care less.
I’ll be honest. I thought it was hillarious as well.
