Guild Wars 2

pdavis.8031:

@Sirbeaumerdier

I never stated it doesn’t have an impact. In fact I’ve shown it DOES have an impact. Also I never said I do GvG. And if you have a portion of the group unwilling to participate, the only thing they do is take up space so you cannot consider them in any of the “war efforts”. You can effectivly remove them from any calculations/strategies because they are null. If you have 100 people, and 20 people are not invloved, you effectily have 80 people to work with, and must plan accordingly.

I’m not trying to rationalize GvGers in BLs. I am trying to point out that there are ways to work around the GvGers, and with the GvGers, without enforcing or prefering one playstyle over another. I am trying to offer solutions to a percieved problem.

I think you have understood the position I’ve presented at this point. I leave the rest to you. See you all on the battle field hopefully in better disposition toward each others.

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

nearlight.3064:

Okay this thread is getting a little out of hand. At first the OP was nice and polite, but now hes gotten quite agressive about this. Plus he ignored my last post on this thread that frames this situation quite nicely.

But whatever, people don’t like their beliefs to be argued with. Anyway OP, this thread will accomplish nothing because nothing you ever say or do will be enough to sway those like myself that are in favor of GvGs.

No kidding! The OP was nice at first… I wonder why he ’s starting to loose his cool and barely manage to answer everybody… (where is the sarcasm EMote plz)

Chaba.5410:

warriorjrd.8695:

You act like GvG’s happen all the time, and last for 4 hours each.

And you’re not in NA T2.

Well I didn’t know the new rounds consisted of best of 27. Wtf is a 4 hour GvG? The fights don’t take that long, unless they have a 20 minute break between each round and discuss what went wrong, they simply don’t take that long.

pdavis.8031:

If you have a group of people, and say 20% are not participating in an activity, and some feel that they should, there is still 80% of the group willing to participate. The job is still getting done. Does it make it more difficult for the 80%? Sure. Can it still be done? Of course. Also throw in another group who sole function is to destroy what the 80% is working on does make it harder. But that means the 80% needs to change its strategy to compensate. Thus the 20% don’t really matter because they have no desire to participate.

OK, first off I don’t agree with what Sirbeaumerdier is arguing regarding being part of the score or not so I have no interest in talking about that.

I only want to point out that your argument makes the assumption that the 80% is always free to participate. In the case of what happened one night on FABL, they were not free to participate due to the queue.

Also, for those not playing T2 NA, the percentages are more like 80% GvG guilds and 20% the rest. Most of the time guilds are doing scrims or staring at each other and taking turns engaging then pulling off, not officials. That’s during their raid hours which are typically 3 hours long. And lots of people watching. I suspect that this activity is also somewhat mistakenly being called “GvGs”. Like I wrote earlier, I wasn’t personally there on FABL on Saturday to say if it was that or a real GvG.

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

nearlight.3064:

Okay this thread is getting a little out of hand. At first the OP was nice and polite, but now hes gotten quite agressive about this. Plus he ignored my last post on this thread that frames this situation quite nicely.

But whatever, people don’t like their beliefs to be argued with. Anyway OP, this thread will accomplish nothing because nothing you ever say or do will be enough to sway those like myself that are in favor of GvGs.

No kidding! The OP was nice at first… I wonder why he ’s starting to loose his cool and barely manage to answer everybody… (where is the sarcasm EMote plz)

Wow, well aren’t you such a mature individual.

And btw :/ works fine for sarcasm in my opinion.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

geekanerd.4123:

As a brief aside to some comments I saw earlier: It only takes a handful of dedicated trolls to ruin a gvg. I know, because a few gvgs I’ve been in have been targets. A large group that was bent on interrupting a gvg? kitten, I don’t care how much posturing anybody does or how good they think their guild is, ya’ll just better relocate because the fight isn’t going to happen at its current local. Besides, it’s not the red trolls you have to worry about; it’s the green ones. And I’ve yet to see even the best skill groups wipe people on their own server. That would be kitten ed impressive, though.

That was my point too. Half the people wouldn’t even be able to lay a finger on their rebellious “allies”. Still, me saying the things I’ve said wasn’t meant as a threat, but as a way to forcefully help some to get their head out of the @$$.

Nah, I feel ya. I just felt obligated to point out that, as far I’m aware, one can’t kill their own server mates. “Lulz, we’ll wipe u” doesn’t always apply to a good, old-fashioned gvg trolling.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

We’ve all taken out blobs with a single superior arrowcart at some point.. T1 – T2 is a little more challenging then that. Unless you get lucky with a pve heavy zerg.

Chaba.5410:

pdavis.8031:

If you have a group of people, and say 20% are not participating in an activity, and some feel that they should, there is still 80% of the group willing to participate. The job is still getting done. Does it make it more difficult for the 80%? Sure. Can it still be done? Of course. Also throw in another group who sole function is to destroy what the 80% is working on does make it harder. But that means the 80% needs to change its strategy to compensate. Thus the 20% don’t really matter because they have no desire to participate.

OK, first off I don’t agree with what Sirbeaumerdier is arguing regarding being part of the score or not so I have no interest in talking about that.

I only want to point out that your argument makes the assumption that the 80% is always free to participate. In the case of what happened one night on FABL, they were not free to participate due to the queue.

Also, for those not playing T2 NA, the percentages are more like 80% GvG guilds and 20% the rest. Most of the time guilds are doing scrims or staring at each other and taking turns engaging then pulling off, not officials.

I was pulling arbitrary numbers for an illustration. Even so You can’t count those not logged in, or engaged in GvG. You can only count the number of people you have that are on the map, AND are not invloved in GvG. So whatever number that would be is the only number of people you can count on and plan accordingly for.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

We’ve all taken out blobs with a single superior arrowcart at some point.. kitten is a little more challenging then that. Unless you get lucky with a pve heavy zerg.

So get some magic find boosters and boost you’re luck. Build more siege and spam that waypoint when shes uncontested. T1 tactix m8, get with it.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Great logic again! Because all fights are played the same way each times and your opponents never adapt. Yeah, I too have held huge zergs at bay with well placed sieges and good cooperation. But you know what? There is a lot of things you don’t control in this chaos and I also experimented the opposite of being part of the larger force being wiped by the better playing opponent.

Stop minimizing all your opponent is saying and start being honest with yourself a bit.

pdavis.8031:

I was pulling arbitrary numbers for an illustration. Even so You can’t count those not logged in, or engaged in GvG. You can only count the number of people you have that are on the map, AND are not invloved in GvG. So whatever number that would be is the only number of people you can count on and plan accordingly for.

OK. Well it sounded like an arbitrary number not reflective of the T2 NA Prime experience. A better number would be 80% “at the fights” and 20% the rest on the map.

BTW, It is extremely ironic that the OP is from the server that zerged FABL when it was queued.

Chaba.5410:

pdavis.8031:

I was pulling arbitrary numbers for an illustration. Even so You can’t count those not logged in, or engaged in GvG. You can only count the number of people you have that are on the map, AND are not invloved in GvG. So whatever number that would be is the only number of people you can count on and plan accordingly for.

OK. Well it sounded like an arbitrary number not reflective of the T2 NA Prime experience. A better number would be 80% “at the fights” and 20% the rest on the map.

BTW, It is extremely ironic that the OP is from the server that zerged FABL when it was queued.

Irony is a universal constant :P

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Great logic again! Because all fights are played the same way each times and your opponents never adapt. Yeah, I too have held huge zergs at bay with well placed sieges and good cooperation. But you know what? There is a lot of things you don’t control in this chaos and I also experimented the opposite of being part of the larger force being wiped by the better playing opponent.

Stop minimizing all your opponent is saying and start being honest with yourself a bit.

Dude… just leave the topic already, you bring nothing logical forward, only constant babbling. A GvG doesn’t even take up half of the map population, and if it’s queued that give you more than 50% to deal with. If you cant defend a waypointed objective with that force, you probably wouldn’t do any better even if that guild wasn’t GvGing. You’re supposed to be able to defend T3 objective outnumbered, so do it and stop crying.

And can you all stop pretending this happens every 10 minutes. GvG’s happen somewhat frequently depending where you play, yet there aren’t complaints every time somebody GvG’s. Mostly because when they do happen they are in OS. Having a proper GvG in a bl in an anomaly these days, i’ve already explained that to you but you seem to ignore that fact.

I’m going to say it one last time. Guilds always try and GvG in OS. If they don’t GvG there, it’s because they CAN’T. So unfortunately, on the rare chance two GvG’s are happening simultaneously, you are going to be slightly shorthanded on 1 border, for less than 2 hours. One time, one border, less than two hours, in a matchup that lasts 168 hours. 0.8% of the matchup time is affected by this GvG that lasts less than two hours. And because "im not in T2 NA’ it’s 2% when this GvG lasts 4 hours.

So tell me again how big of an issue this is.

warriorjrd,

You’re confused. The OP is arguing about something that happened on EBG and you’re conflating that with my descriptions about the borderlands on T2 during NA Prime nightly. Everyone already knows guilds try to GvG in the OS. And everyone knows the guilds that can and do respond when help is needed.

GvG in Obsidian Sanctum are have become boring because the ground is flat and there are no obstacles to create a sense of variety in the gameplay or to add complexity the strategy. It could be a square box with no textures and it wouldn’t be less interesting as an arena.

A real GvG map (like we had in Guild Wars 1) has high and low ground, rocks, pillars, etc.

There is surely another game developer looking at this and preparing to launch a MMO with proper GvG. I don’t think Anet cares at all about GvG.

Sounds more like open field fights than GvG as it has evolved. :p

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Great logic again! Because all fights are played the same way each times and your opponents never adapt. Yeah, I too have held huge zergs at bay with well placed sieges and good cooperation. But you know what? There is a lot of things you don’t control in this chaos and I also experimented the opposite of being part of the larger force being wiped by the better playing opponent.

Stop minimizing all your opponent is saying and start being honest with yourself a bit.

Dude… just leave the topic already, you bring nothing logical forward, only constant babbling. A GvG doesn’t even take up half of the map population, and if it’s queued that give you more than 50% to deal with. If you cant defend a waypointed objective with that force, you probably wouldn’t do any better even if that guild wasn’t GvGing. You’re supposed to be able to defend T3 objective outnumbered, so do it and stop crying.

And can you all stop pretending this happens every 10 minutes. GvG’s happen somewhat frequently depending where you play, yet there aren’t complaints every time somebody GvG’s. Mostly because when they do happen they are in OS. Having a proper GvG in a bl in an anomaly these days, i’ve already explained that to you but you seem to ignore that fact.

I’m going to say it one last time. Guilds always try and GvG in OS. If they don’t GvG there, it’s because they CAN’T. So unfortunately, on the rare chance two GvG’s are happening simultaneously, you are going to be slightly shorthanded on 1 border, for less than 2 hours. One time, one border, less than two hours, in a matchup that lasts 168 hours. 0.8% of the matchup time is affected by this GvG that lasts less than two hours. And because "im not in T2 NA’ it’s 2% when this GvG lasts 4 hours.

So tell me again how big of an issue this is.

Speaking of irony… why don’t you follow your own advice? The “logic” you bring forward is that having 20, 50, or 80% more potential people is irrelevant to repelling attacks to defend important objectives… I’m still trying to figure that one out.

Beside, WHO and WHEN has ANYBODY ever said it was happening all the time? Take your time and quote me (or someone else in thread) plz. I even explicitly said the opposite of what you say we have said. I will repeat it again, it has happened (not always far from it) and with the trend I see on T2 it won’t get better soon.

If I have sometimes felt the need to be vocal on the topic it’s because we were, SOMETIMES, needlessly left with a way shorter end of the stick than what you try to paint.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Great logic again! Because all fights are played the same way each times and your opponents never adapt. Yeah, I too have held huge zergs at bay with well placed sieges and good cooperation. But you know what? There is a lot of things you don’t control in this chaos and I also experimented the opposite of being part of the larger force being wiped by the better playing opponent.

Stop minimizing all your opponent is saying and start being honest with yourself a bit.

Dude… just leave the topic already, you bring nothing logical forward, only constant babbling. A GvG doesn’t even take up half of the map population, and if it’s queued that give you more than 50% to deal with. If you cant defend a waypointed objective with that force, you probably wouldn’t do any better even if that guild wasn’t GvGing. You’re supposed to be able to defend T3 objective outnumbered, so do it and stop crying.

And can you all stop pretending this happens every 10 minutes. GvG’s happen somewhat frequently depending where you play, yet there aren’t complaints every time somebody GvG’s. Mostly because when they do happen they are in OS. Having a proper GvG in a bl in an anomaly these days, i’ve already explained that to you but you seem to ignore that fact.

I’m going to say it one last time. Guilds always try and GvG in OS. If they don’t GvG there, it’s because they CAN’T. So unfortunately, on the rare chance two GvG’s are happening simultaneously, you are going to be slightly shorthanded on 1 border, for less than 2 hours. One time, one border, less than two hours, in a matchup that lasts 168 hours. 0.8% of the matchup time is affected by this GvG that lasts less than two hours. And because "im not in T2 NA’ it’s 2% when this GvG lasts 4 hours.

So tell me again how big of an issue this is.

Speaking of irony… why don’t you follow your own advice? The “logic” you bring forward is that having 20, 50, or 80% more potential people is irrelevant to repelling attacks to defend important objectives… I’m still trying to figure that one out.

Beside, WHO and WHEN has ANYBODY ever said it was happening all the time? Take your time and quote me (or someone else in thread) plz. I even explicitly said the opposite of what you say we have said. I will repeat it again, it has happened (not always far from it) and with the trend I see on T2 it won’t get better soon.

If I have sometimes felt the need to be vocal on the topic it’s because we were, SOMETIMES, needlessly left with a way shorter end of the stick than what you try to paint.

I know you never said it, but what you say implies that GvG routinely interferes with your game play. If this is a once in a blue moon kind of thing then there really is no need to get all fussed. Next you’re going to want everybody who isn’t on tag to leave the map when a keep is under attack. You just can’t accept that people like the play the game differently from you do. If these GvG guilds left your server, and I mean all of them, your server would probably drop a tier or two. People like you seem to forget how useful a skilled GvG team can be, simply because they take up your queue spots at an inconvenient time.

You know what I don’t like? Massive blob fights in objectives that lag out the entire map and make it unplayable. If I’m roaming I can’t play when there are 140 in sm pushing the servers an inch close to explosion. Yet, I don’t complain, because I know people find those kind of fights fun, or they find the thought of defending/attacking an objective fun. I accept people like to only fight with AC’s and blobs, and I don’t care when they do. I accept the fact, nothing I say will ever change their minds about how they play the game, so I suggest you accept that fact too.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

Exactly. This is what I’ve been arguing for the whole time.

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Now I’m selfish… I was expecting you to explain what part of my argument fell flat. I guess I won’t hold my breath. BTW. I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit. Also, if I’m selfish for saying the exact same thing you told me, what does that make you?

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Now I’m selfish… I was expecting you to explain what part of my argument fell flat. I guess I won’t hold my breath. BTW. I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit. Also, if I’m selfish for saying the exact same thing you told me, what does that make you?

I gave that as an example, do you even read before you post? And yes it’s selfish to expect those who don’t play the same way as you to just leave, when they have just as much right as you do to be there.

Zetsumei.4975:

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

The frustration is quickly turning to pity as I realize these people lack and ability to understand common sense.

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Now I’m selfish… I was expecting you to explain what part of my argument fell flat. I guess I won’t hold my breath. BTW. I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit. Also, if I’m selfish for saying the exact same thing you told me, what does that make you?

I gave that as an example, do you even read before you post? And yes it’s selfish to expect those who don’t play the same way as you to just leave, when they have just as much right as you do to be there.

My point, since you missed it, was that your “example” is not supporting what you say it does. There are no contradiction in what I’ve said. I only add a frame to that freedom. A frame that is there anyway at that and that is called WvW and is won with points and uses structures and sieges. In other words, the game as a puck included in it whether you like it or not. As for me being selfish, you therefore agree that you were selfish too to tell me to go somewhere where PPT was king right? Right?

warriorjrd.8695:

Zetsumei.4975:

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

The frustration is quickly turning to pity as I realize these people lack and ability to understand common sense.

Wow, the irony…

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

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Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Now I’m selfish… I was expecting you to explain what part of my argument fell flat. I guess I won’t hold my breath. BTW. I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit. Also, if I’m selfish for saying the exact same thing you told me, what does that make you?

I gave that as an example, do you even read before you post? And yes it’s selfish to expect those who don’t play the same way as you to just leave, when they have just as much right as you do to be there.

My point, since you missed it, was that your “example” is not supporting what you say it does. There are no contradiction in what I’ve said. I only add a frame to that freedom. A frame that is there anyway at that and that is called WvW and is won with points and uses structures and sieges. In other words, the game as a puck included in it whether you like it or not. As for me being selfish, you therefore agree that you were selfish too to tell me to go somewhere where PPT was king right? Right?

My example was giving you a perspective you would understand to show that your request was selfish, and yes had I actually meant it, it would have been a selfish request from me as well. If you’re going to keep using the game mode as your main argument that GvGers are in the wrong I might as well play along, considering you are incapable of using any other argument. When a GvG guild is not GvGing they are a very valuable asset on the battlefield when it comes to PPT. They can fight better than pug blobs meaning they have an easier time defending and taking things. They often succeed where others fail. So let’s allow your “sharpest sword” to have some fun once in a while, because they make up for your small inconvenience by playing the PPT game the rest of the time.

My example was giving you a perspective you would understand to show that your request was selfish, and yes had I actually meant it, it would have been a selfish request from me as well. If you’re going to keep using the game mode as your main argument that GvGers are in the wrong I might as well play along, considering you are incapable of using any other argument. When a GvG guild is not GvGing they are a very valuable asset on the battlefield when it comes to PPT. They can fight better than pug blobs meaning they have an easier time defending and taking things. They often succeed where others fail. So let’s allow your “sharpest sword” to have some fun once in a while, because they make up for your small inconvenience by playing the PPT game the rest of the time.

Selfishness was not your initial point it was my logic and argument that you said fell flat. Also, I already told you that “I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit”.

As for your GvGers being a valuable asset, I fear you have missed the entire point of it all. It never was about winning or loosing at the end of the week, but about not putting others in a position were they can’t play or help when they could and would otherwise have. Can we please stop with the straw man already? What do I care that your “leet” guild save the day in the long run if it can mean we can’t play when there is GvG? I want to participate into my server’s efforts. If I win because of it it’s great, but I prefer loosing while being able to try helping than not being able to play and being saved in extremist by our so called “sharpest swords” (by whose standard btw?).

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

My example was giving you a perspective you would understand to show that your request was selfish, and yes had I actually meant it, it would have been a selfish request from me as well. If you’re going to keep using the game mode as your main argument that GvGers are in the wrong I might as well play along, considering you are incapable of using any other argument. When a GvG guild is not GvGing they are a very valuable asset on the battlefield when it comes to PPT. They can fight better than pug blobs meaning they have an easier time defending and taking things. They often succeed where others fail. So let’s allow your “sharpest sword” to have some fun once in a while, because they make up for your small inconvenience by playing the PPT game the rest of the time.

Selfishness was not your initial point it was my logic and argument that you said fell flat. Also, I already told you that “I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit”.

As for your GvGers being a valuable asset, I fear you have missed the entire point of it all. It never was about winning or loosing at the end of the week, but about not putting others in a position were they can’t play or help when they could and would otherwise have. Can we please stop with the straw man already? What do I care that your “leet” guild save the day in the long run if it can mean we can’t play when there is GvG? I want to participate into my server’s efforts. If I win because of it it’s great, but I prefer loosing while being able to try helping than not being able to play and being saved in extremist by our so called “sharpest swords” (by whose standard btw?).

I wasn’t the one who said your arguments fell flat. But from what I’m getting you’re main issue is the fact you can’t get in the borderland because of a queue. Well if that’s the case, all I can say is, wait your turn.

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

What makes you more important or obliged to take up that spot? You could just as equally say one of those PPTers are hogging a spot in the queue that someone who wanted to participate in the GvG needs.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

warriorjrd.8695:

Zetsumei.4975:

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

The frustration is quickly turning to pity as I realize these people lack and ability to understand common sense.

An appeal to common sense is no excuse for poor communication skills.

http://corkskeptics.org/2011/05/03/the-common-sense-fallacy/

All this conversation has done is devolve into straw men, extreme hypotheticals, and a clear lack of willingness by participants to make attempts to understand each other through acknowledgement of points made. Just now it is a lot of sniping at each other in sarcastic fashion.

The bottom line is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander and the sandbox nature of WvW allows for it. Change strategy? That’s easy and has been done by players in the past: troll the GvG. I’m not a fan of that solution, but it has happened and can happen again. I’ve personally had a GvG I was participating in rolled by a zerg and we were even on the third-server’s BL not causing queues for them. As I wrote previously, respect is earned and goes both ways. I made this statement pre-OS even. Deja vu I guess.

At least recognize that the fault lays squarely with Anet’s lack of a GvG mode.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

Chaba.5410:

warriorjrd.8695:

Zetsumei.4975:

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

The frustration is quickly turning to pity as I realize these people lack and ability to understand common sense.

An appeal to common sense is no excuse for poor communication skills.

http://corkskeptics.org/2011/05/03/the-common-sense-fallacy/

All this conversation has done is devolve into straw men, extreme hypotheticals, and a clear lack of willingness by participants to make attempts to understand each other through acknowledgement of points made. Just now it is a lot of sniping at each other in sarcastic fashion.

The bottom line is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander and the sandbox nature of WvW allows for it. Change strategy? That’s easy and has been done by players in the past: troll the GvG. I’m not a fan of that solution, but it has happened and can happen again. I’ve personally had a GvG I was participating in rolled by a zerg and we were even on the third-server’s BL not causing queues for them. As I wrote previously, respect is earned and goes both ways. I made this statement pre-OS even. Deja vu I guess.

At least recognize that the fault lays squarely with Anet’s lack of a GvG mode.

Chaba I think we all know the problem is lack of support for WvW and how it dosen’t directly include guilds with a GvG mode. The PvF was good tho no?

displayname.8315:

The PvF was good tho no?

I like the other forum for PvF.

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

Yeah, sorry for my super naivety of somehow believing that a game designed with points would attract people who would be willing to pay attention to the score in the same way people playing hockey and being handed sticks would care about the puck and the goal. How silly of me of seeing a problem with people doing figure skating in the middle of an ongoing hockey game… How selfish of me to want to play hockey in a hockey match and whining about the harmless figure skaters sometimes taking up to 80% of the ice…

If people can do whatever they want I don’t want to see you whine if some decide trolling GvG becomes funnier all of a sudden. The “anything goes” argument goes both way. Reality is, you are hijacking a part of the game for something that was never intended since day 1 and we all knew it. I wish it would be different, but it is not. THAT is reality too. May A-Net give you guys your own arena. I myself would be glad to do GvG but as of right now it’s a delicate proposition that need to take care of others needs if you want them to care about yours. Now if you are tired of this thread let’s all stop replying and let it die for good.

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@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

You’re trying to argue now that WvW has no PvP in it simply because it isn’t called PvP. That’s the worst argument on this entire thread so far. WvW revolves around players fighting other players genious. I actually can’t believe you would try and argue WvW isn’t PvP, that just really goes to show how limited your grasp of reality is.

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The PvF was good tho no?

I like the other forum for PvF.

The other forum is blatant propaganda. I like this warrior guy he is strong.

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@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

You’re trying to argue now that WvW has no PvP in it simply because it isn’t called PvP. That’s the worst argument on this entire thread so far. WvW revolves around players fighting other players genious. I actually can’t believe you would try and argue WvW isn’t PvP, that just really goes to show how limited your grasp of reality is.

You one of those no seige meta people huh? Last I played we all tried to take keeps and fought much seige, many doors, and lotsa PvE. A few people when they don’t run away too.

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@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

You’re trying to argue now that WvW has no PvP in it simply because it isn’t called PvP. That’s the worst argument on this entire thread so far. WvW revolves around players fighting other players genious. I actually can’t believe you would try and argue WvW isn’t PvP, that just really goes to show how limited your grasp of reality is.

You one of those no seige meta people huh? Last I played we all tried to take keeps and fought much seige, many doors, and lotsa PvE. A few people when they don’t run away too.

Yeah it’s a mix of the two, but to say it isn’t PvP because it’s called WvW is beyond stupid.

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@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

I thought I made that clear. Yes, queues aren’t fun but why get upset about it, it’s first come, first served just wait your turn to play. They paid like everybody else and they don’t owe anybody anything. The very second you start thinking people are taking up space or “blocking” anyone simply because they are on the map and have removed themselves from your approved activities is the moment that you’ve just face planted into the entitled zone. And arguing semantics about WvWvW not being a PvP zone just looks foolish as it’s a low grade derailment.

@Sirbeaumerdier

We’re comparing WvWvW to an actual sport now, with rules, regulations, controlled teams and arenas and /drumroll …balance? Please don’t. And then you go on to compare people actively sabotaging other players’ activities to players simply being on 24/7 opened map? Come on now.

@warriorjrd
Its not called PvP or WvW its Wuv Wuv

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@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

I thought I made that clear. Yes, queues aren’t fun but why get upset about it, it’s first come, first served just wait your turn to play. They paid like everybody else and they don’t owe anybody anything. The very second you start thinking people are taking up space or “blocking” anyone simply because they are on the map and have removed themselves from your approved activities is the moment that you’ve just face planted into the entitled zone. And arguing semantics about WvWvW not being a PvP zone just looks foolish as it’s a low grade derailment.

@Sirbeaumerdier

We’re comparing WvWvW to an actual sport now, with rules, regulations, controlled teams and arenas and /drumroll …balance? Please don’t. And then you go on to compare people actively sabotaging other players’ activities to players simply being on 24/7 opened map? Come on now.

I agree with @Sirbeaumerdier that the anything goes argument dosent work. I’m all for people playing the way they want. But that they can do anything just because is such a troll argument. I could go on a server and siege troll every commander i find if I want to but do I? Or should I for that matter just because I can? Even if you don’t like the WvW game mode I would expect you care about your servermates? Maybe not. Take it to OS or a NEUTRAL map. To quote warrior tho this is probably a rare occurance and I do think GvG guilds make a server healthy.