Guild Wars 2

Oozo.7856:

rmBossa.4621:

Ive been all over the tiers. Just recently was in tier 8 for a while, and the majority of the time I was there was spent fighting huge zergs. By no means would I defend tier 1 server blobbing either.

So what does this mean? Everyone zergs way more then their admitting, so cut that out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOu2Gu-52ik

20v100?

That is a 3way fight. And, no need to count the many other friendly players there. I mean, they contributed nothing to the fight, I’m sure.

And gotta love the skill lag, did not see much of it there, but my heals never work like that in a 3way SM fight. They did a great job, but when you can only be a 1 pusher not much good happens.

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

I would say I play 90% in wvw. I’ve been on Gunnars since the start and I will probably always be on Gunnars. I’ve seen us go from T2 to T8, back to T5 and now back in T8.

In this time I saw the biggest fights in T6 against AM & FR where we had two 70 man zergs fighting over our property – no fun at all. It was laggy and definitely the opposite of epic and I hope I never encounter those kind of fights again.
Now in the lower tiers we can have 40 vs 40 or 20 vs 40 or 10 vs 20 or any kind of numbers and its fantastic. We have great guilds who have taken on and beaten the high tier guilds that came to RoS. The only guild that really gave us consistent problems were VoTF in all honesty.
Imho the only difference between the higher tier hardcore guilds and the lower tier hardcore guilds is the fact that higher tiers have fighting on all 3 maps for a much larger proportion of the time and the higher tier guilds contain alot more active members. Where our guilds field 15-25 on a night they will field 25-40.
That’s my experience.

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

A “commander” leading 40-80 people who are ALL PRESSING 1 -2 SKILLS…….our 5 man uses 30-50 skills EACH in one fight….and win against 2/3/4x our number…..what is your argument for how building siege? coordinating 30 people to press 1 when hit by another zerg? spamming portal bombs and sitting on arrow carts make you hardcore at all…..like i said in previous post, “You carebears don’t even realize what hardcore pvp looks like”

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

A “commander” leading 40-80 people who are ALL PRESSING 1 -2 SKILLS…….our 5 man uses 30-50 skills EACH in one fight….and win against 2/3/4x our number…..what is your argument for how building siege? coordinating 30 people to press 1 when hit by another zerg? spamming portal bombs and sitting on arrow carts make you hardcore at all…..like i said in previous post, “You carebears don’t even realize what hardcore pvp looks like”

We get it /yawn blah blah kittens bigger overinflated kitten blah blah exxagerations exxagerations kittens… calm down bro no need to get mad is justa game

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

A “commander” leading 40-80 people who are ALL PRESSING 1 -2 SKILLS…….our 5 man uses 30-50 skills EACH in one fight….and win against 2/3/4x our number…..what is your argument for how building siege? coordinating 30 people to press 1 when hit by another zerg? spamming portal bombs and sitting on arrow carts make you hardcore at all…..like i said in previous post, “You carebears don’t even realize what hardcore pvp looks like”

Blah blah blah. If you can produce a video of your 5 man group wiping an ORGANIZED guild group of 20+ I will be impressed.

More than likely you just farm unorganized pugs lol. That is carebear PvP.

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

I’d hope to God you are better now, because when we fought RE they were horrible in the open field.

Here is my guild (our normal 5 man + thief) taking on 15+, and being hit with an organized 4-6 man from NSP (XOXO b4 they went zerg) Thanks Ruprect.

Jscull.2514:

Here is my guild (our normal 5 man + thief) taking on 15+, and being hit with an organized 4-6 man from NSP (XOXO b4 they went zerg) Thanks Ruprect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdQbrJepQ9M

the man said 20 man organised guild like you claim.
/yawn

Jscull.2514:

Here is my guild (our normal 5 man + thief) taking on 15+, and being hit with an organized 4-6 man from NSP (XOXO b4 they went zerg) Thanks Ruprect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdQbrJepQ9M

If that is the level of organization of the guilds in T7 LOL. I was not able to see guild names but if that was a full guild group they should just uninstall.

They looked like T2 pugs.

The video was nice you guys looked organized but the people you were fighting were just lol.

It was a 10 minute straight fight, and after hitting 15, we got hit by and organized 5 man. Where’s youre video hoss?

O wait, youll show me your awesome 20v20….

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

Jscull.2514:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

I have nothing to prove. You came out saying that you can win 2/3/4x your numbers.

I said anyone can farm pugs, that is nothing special there.

You provided a video of you farming pugs. WOW! Sooo pro.

What are u 12?

Ruprect.7260:

Jscull.2514:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

I have nothing to prove. You came out saying that you can win 2/3/4x your numbers.

I said anyone can farm pugs, that is nothing special there.

You provided a video of you farming pugs. WOW! Sooo pro.

What are u 12?

Don’t try and argue with jscull honestly all you’ll get is exagerations kitten more kitten exagerations videos that prove nothing more kitten and @ jscull so mad bro so mad is justa game bro needa relax.. lol actually keep it up your rage amuses me honestly everyone knows its overcompensation

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

I’d hope to God you are better now, because when we fought RE they were horrible in the open field.

Oh, ok well there goes the good relations out the window, horrible enough to make a guild leave NSP because of how we spammed 1 and 2 when RE fought them I suppose?…

On Topic; You can ask TC and FA in T2 how we like to spam 1 and 2 when we fought them outnumbered, or even Mag and Yaks in T3 where we are outnumbered but due to weekly training, TS VoIP, and great commanding we spam 1 and 2. Spend some time fighting along side WM and in T2 and see if you dont want to up your game. There is no need to up your game below T4, thats the OP’s point, try being outnumbered and see if you can take on a T3 guild with the same tactics your using.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

I’d hope to God you are better now, because when we fought RE they were horrible in the open field.

Oh, ok well there goes the good relations out the window, horrible enough to make a guild leave NSP because of how we spammed 1 and 2 when RE fought them I suppose?…

On Topic; You can ask TC and FA in T2 how we like to spam 1 and 2 when we fought them outnumbered, or even Mag and Yaks in T3 where we are outnumbered but due to weekly training, TS VoIP, and great commanding we spam 1 and 2. Spend some time fighting along side WM and in T2 and see if you dont want to up your game. There is no need to up your game below T4, thats the OP’s point, try being outnumbered and see if you can take on a T3 guild with the same tactics your using.

Btw if we ever get our gvgs I’m sure os would look forward to going against you we ourselves have improved exponentially and we have always enjoyed fighting you in the past

Perhaps a more pertinent question is why do you care?

I’m not trying to be rude, but…what possible difference could it make where people choose to spend their WvW time, unless for some reason you are wanting all the WvW-oriented people to end up in the same server/tier?

You like playing in T1, bully for you. Person B likes their spot in T4, they’re happy too. Person C is in T8 and glad to be there for their own reasons, no problemo.

WvW isn’t like an arena tournament in that it’s not all about opposing equals. There are so many factors in play that affect winning and losing matchups and these can improve or detract from the experience according to preference. Moreover, there isn’t the same type of personal reward for winning a matchup, in the sense of receiving individual or even guild acclaim, coin, items, ranking, etc. It really is more about whether you’re having fun doing it than anything else, and that is always going to be a ‘horses for courses’ thing.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

I’d hope to God you are better now, because when we fought RE they were horrible in the open field.

Oh, ok well there goes the good relations out the window, horrible enough to make a guild leave NSP because of how we spammed 1 and 2 when RE fought them I suppose?…

On Topic; You can ask TC and FA in T2 how we like to spam 1 and 2 when we fought them outnumbered, or even Mag and Yaks in T3 where we are outnumbered but due to weekly training, TS VoIP, and great commanding we spam 1 and 2. Spend some time fighting along side WM and in T2 and see if you dont want to up your game. There is no need to up your game below T4, thats the OP’s point, try being outnumbered and see if you can take on a T3 guild with the same tactics your using.

We did fight against WM. They were only good because of AoE cap and culling abuse. In open field with even numbers they were trashed just as easily as any other pug.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they are “taking a break” because all their gimmicky kitten got nerfed lolz.

Ruprect.7260:

Jscull.2514:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

I have nothing to prove. You came out saying that you can win 2/3/4x your numbers.

I said anyone can farm pugs, that is nothing special there.

You provided a video of you farming pugs. WOW! Sooo pro.

What are u 12?

I understand killing pugs is a joke. Thats why we have been constantly inviting anyone that fights dedicated groups under 10 to t8. You originally said that because we 5 man we couldnt muster the “skill” your “commanders” (LOL biggest joke in mmo pvp history btw) could to run 30-40……In any other video game that doesnt have a AoE cap (which was designed to keep zergers from quitting when skilled players smoked them in under a minute), your “skill” would be laughable. Zergs in any non-failing game have never been the main form of pvp. WAR= Zergfest died. Daoc not zerg fest = 5 years of constant greatness. Rift= Just plain terrible WoW= newcomers way to learn to mmo GW2= Zergfest for rookies. Please dont try to tell real gamers that commanding takes any skill. It just takes more organization than ur used to spending in a video game.

Jscull.2514:

Ruprect.7260:

Jscull.2514:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

I have nothing to prove. You came out saying that you can win 2/3/4x your numbers.

I said anyone can farm pugs, that is nothing special there.

You provided a video of you farming pugs. WOW! Sooo pro.

What are u 12?

I understand killing pugs is a joke. Thats why we have been constantly inviting anyone that fights dedicated groups under 10 to t8. You originally said that because we 5 man we couldnt muster the “skill” your “commanders” (LOL biggest joke in mmo pvp history btw) could to run 30-40……In any other video game that doesnt have a AoE cap (which was designed to keep zergers from quitting when skilled players smoked them in under a minute), your “skill” would be laughable. Zergs in any non-failing game have never been the main form of pvp. WAR= Zergfest died. Daoc not zerg fest = 5 years of constant greatness. Rift= Just plain terrible WoW= newcomers way to learn to mmo GW2= Zergfest for rookies. Please dont try to tell real gamers that commanding takes any skill. It just takes more organization than ur used to spending in a video game.

I never said it takes any skill to command. It does however take a lot of good organization, and a good commander does have good leadership skills. As far as game skill, some commanders do and some don’t some just like to lead. I am not sure why that is a joke.

If you like your 5 man groups, great, have fun. I personally like both roaming small groups/ZvsZ and the points meta game. “Real Gamers” lol, now I know your 12. It’s a game man, play it.

Yep. I hate T1 with a burning passion. I’m only still here because of my guild. I’d rather be in T3 or below with an organized guild.

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

I would say I play 90% in wvw. I’ve been on Gunnars since the start and I will probably always be on Gunnars. I’ve seen us go from T2 to T8, back to T5 and now back in T8.

In this time I saw the biggest fights in T6 against AM & FR where we had two 70 man zergs fighting over our property – no fun at all. It was laggy and definitely the opposite of epic and I hope I never encounter those kind of fights again.
Now in the lower tiers we can have 40 vs 40 or 20 vs 40 or 10 vs 20 or any kind of numbers and its fantastic. We have great guilds who have taken on and beaten the high tier guilds that came to RoS. The only guild that really gave us consistent problems were VoTF in all honesty.
Imho the only difference between the higher tier hardcore guilds and the lower tier hardcore guilds is the fact that higher tiers have fighting on all 3 maps for a much larger proportion of the time and the higher tier guilds contain alot more active members. Where our guilds field 15-25 on a night they will field 25-40.
That’s my experience.

That fight wasn’t fun for you because it was your 40 men vs 70 enemies and 70 enemies. Of course it aren’t fun! It wasn’t even a fair fight.

This doesn’t mean you don’t like large scale battle though. I am sure if your server could provide 70 manpower that night, it probably would be one of the more memorable fights ever.

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

A “commander” leading 40-80 people who are ALL PRESSING 1 -2 SKILLS.……our 5 man uses 30-50 skills EACH in one fight….and win against 2/3/4x our number…..what is your argument for how building siege? coordinating 30 people to press 1 when hit by another zerg? spamming portal bombs and sitting on arrow carts make you hardcore at all…..like i said in previous post, “You carebears don’t even realize what hardcore pvp looks like”

Dude, your info is so wrong.

Serophous.9085:

Higher tier =/= better server.

Higher tier = we have more coverage in time zones.

Infact, lower tiers get better fights than the blobs of higher tiers

This. Actually, all the best WvWvW focused guilds are below T3.

Jscull.2514:

Here is my guild (our normal 5 man + thief) taking on 15+, and being hit with an organized 4-6 man from NSP (XOXO b4 they went zerg) Thanks Ruprect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdQbrJepQ9M

Sorry dude, but that enemy guild of yours aren’t organized at all. Now these guys might be good players on an individual basis. But as a group they don’t know what they are doing. That isn’t how high tier guilds fight.

Please watch that video I posted on page 1, and you will get a better idea.

That’s the point I was trying to make. You might be very good and dominating in lower tiers. But are you really that good, or the enemy just sucks? How can you know for sure?

That why you got to throw yourselves against a battle-hardened enemy zerg that knows what they are doing. Then you will find out your true strength.

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

Here is my guild (our normal 5 man + thief) taking on 15+, and being hit with an organized 4-6 man from NSP (XOXO b4 they went zerg) Thanks Ruprect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdQbrJepQ9M

Sorry dude, but that enemy guild of yours aren’t organized at all. That isn’t how high tier guilds fight.

Please watch that video I posted on page 1, and you will get a better idea.

That’s the point I was trying to make. You might be very good and dominating in lower tiers. But are you really that good, or the enemy just sucks? How can you know for sure?

That why you got to throw yourselves against a battle-hardened enemy zerg that knows what they are doing. Then you will find out your true strength.

Dude, I don’t agree with people who say higher tier players aren’t as skilled. We’re all playin WvW differently. I can’t agree with your entire premise of “if you aren’t here fightin giant zergs you probably suck” though. You have people from your server postin about how much it sucks in tier 1. Just take away from the thread that people can take WvW seriously without likin the same types of fights you do.

All you wanted to know is if there are people here that spend more than 80% of their time in WvW and now you know that there’s hundreds of us even in tier 8.

Edit: If this was a masked attempt to try to recruit people from the lower tiers to higher tiers then I dunno what to tell you. Every day I haven’t transferred off my server since launch is every day me casting a vote for where I want to be.

Or maybe you’re like a bizarro Jscull. Jscull is here telling me that the only way to fight is with 5 people against 5 people and you’re telling me that the only way to fight is with zerg against zerg. Now my mind is blown. Why can’t anyone love me for who I am?

Kaineng(formerly in Stormbluff Isle)

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

Here is my guild (our normal 5 man + thief) taking on 15+, and being hit with an organized 4-6 man from NSP (XOXO b4 they went zerg) Thanks Ruprect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdQbrJepQ9M

Sorry dude, but that enemy guild of yours aren’t organized at all. That isn’t how high tier guilds fight.

Please watch that video I posted on page 1, and you will get a better idea.

That’s the point I was trying to make. You might be very good and dominating in lower tiers. But are you really that good, or the enemy just sucks? How can you know for sure?

That why you got to throw yourselves against a battle-hardened enemy zerg that knows what they are doing. Then you will find out your true strength.

No, higher tier guilds run around in a blob pressing 1 constantly with the occasional water field here and there to fully heal their blob back to full.

Believe me, it does not take more skill.

Chips, did you record what we did lastnight in EB man?

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

A “commander” leading 40-80 people who are ALL PRESSING 1 -2 SKILLS…….our 5 man uses 30-50 skills EACH in one fight….and win against 2/3/4x our number…..what is your argument for how building siege? coordinating 30 people to press 1 when hit by another zerg? spamming portal bombs and sitting on arrow carts make you hardcore at all…..like i said in previous post, “You carebears don’t even realize what hardcore pvp looks like”

so small man = skilled and large grps = faceroll……ok got it. IMO if you play wvw for only 5m fights then ur playing the wrong game. My 20m guild can wipe zergs 40-50 but I guess it must because we all spam 1-2 skills better! No tactics needed when you hit the 10m mark.

Littlefeather.8623:

Chips, did you record what we did lastnight in EB man?

Ethersin did I think.

CHIPS.6018:

Littlefeather.8623:

Chips, did you record what we did lastnight in EB man?

Ethersin did I think.

You should ask him to post it here please ! lol, so they can see for themselves. That PAXA video, nice work for the group yall fought against in the video, but in all honesty, that is not the equalvalent of a T3+ zerg..

Just standing there and not pushing in or letting theirselves get picked off like that, I remember those days, but wiping a 40 man T3+ zerg with 20-30 people is a blast, and it takes a lot of coordination/muscle memory/teamwork.

.We dont portal bomb, we portal in then out afterwards
.We dont stand still and wait to die, we vale in and cut through or pick a flank side.
.The fastest route is straight in, but not the safest.
.Use the terrain to your advantage
.If they charge and were outmanned we can avoid and roll to flank the back/side
.CC’s can make or break a battle
.EVERYONE has foods at all times
.Stay stacked or get picked off

Just the basics.

Wasn’t AON from a low tier and then moved from tier to tier and recently stated on another thread they have finally met there match since they went to a tier 2 server? I thought they were considered one of the really good small man guilds.

I myself have been in every tier except tier 1. I’ve always been on the same server.
I understand when people stay loyal to a server.

Anyway, the higher tiers is not for everyone. The low tiers is not for everyone. For me personally, I like to roam solo. I used to be able to solo camps and not worried about getting zerged while in tier 8. When we went to tier 2, that never happened. Since we went to tier 3 I have been able to roam solo more.

It just depends on how you want to play.

Many of these post in this thread make me laugh though. Just a little reminder: talk is cheap and action speaks louder than words for you forum warriors. Keep it in game.

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

Just chiming in with what everyone else said.

T4 vs T5 mostly is a difference of which team can win the score battle at 4am on a Tuesday. I have seen T5 servers that consistently beat T4 servers in primetime but then they get crushed in their off hours because they don’t have coverage.

I see no reason to transfer from T5 to T4 when the only real difference is during times I don’t play.

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

Having fought along side Os for the last few months on a weekly basis, They have grown in leaps and bounds as far as skill and tactics are concerned. If you were impressed then I would be you would be doubly impressed now.

Jscull.2514:

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

I never played that game, but I heard it was a good PvP game. 1 vs 1 can be fun, but its a little slow paced for my liking, slower than 20v20, etc atleast. 5 man fights are very fun, but I think disregarding the servers’ need for assistance is a little selfish, so as a commander I dislike them. But I bet 20G I can solo any melee player who stands infront of me in WvW, hell I even solo’d a Golem in WvW from NSP (Which is how Fight Club got started in GW2). But I know I am beter used Commanding in WvW for more points and loot bags.

My point is, we are skilled too, but we have priorities.

Littlefeather.8623:

Jscull.2514:

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

I never played that game, but I heard it was a good PvP game. 1 vs 1 can be fun, but its a little slow paced for my liking, slower than 20v20, etc atleast. 5 man fights are very fun, but I think disregarding the servers’ need for assistance is a little selfish, so as a commander I dislike them. But I bet 20G I can solo any melee player who stands infront of me in WvW, hell I even solo’d a Golem in WvW from NSP (Which is how Fight Club got started in GW2). But I know I am beter used Commanding in WvW for more points and loot bags.

My point is, we are skilled too, but we have priorities.

You may be skilled for what you do….but MY point is that wouldn’t guarantee kittenx that you could beat half the lower tier 5 mans I know.

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

Jscull.2514:

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

I never played that game, but I heard it was a good PvP game. 1 vs 1 can be fun, but its a little slow paced for my liking, slower than 20v20, etc atleast. 5 man fights are very fun, but I think disregarding the servers’ need for assistance is a little selfish, so as a commander I dislike them. But I bet 20G I can solo any melee player who stands infront of me in WvW, hell I even solo’d a Golem in WvW from NSP (Which is how Fight Club got started in GW2). But I know I am beter used Commanding in WvW for more points and loot bags.

My point is, we are skilled too, but we have priorities.

You may be skilled for what you do….but MY point is that wouldn’t guarantee kittenx that you could beat half the lower tier 5 mans I know.

What would impress me is if you take your 20 men team to beat a 20 men Strike Force (SF) team from JQ. That guild is a beast. They are some of the best in the business. This guild’s 20 men squad repeatedly destroys zergs of 60 men in tier 1, btw. I am very interested to see if your elite 20 men team can do any better.

In fact this challenge extends to any lower tier guilds. Show us that you guys are truly better players than high tier players. I look forward to the day that GvG gets implemented and I get to see this.

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

Jscull.2514:

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

I never played that game, but I heard it was a good PvP game. 1 vs 1 can be fun, but its a little slow paced for my liking, slower than 20v20, etc atleast. 5 man fights are very fun, but I think disregarding the servers’ need for assistance is a little selfish, so as a commander I dislike them. But I bet 20G I can solo any melee player who stands infront of me in WvW, hell I even solo’d a Golem in WvW from NSP (Which is how Fight Club got started in GW2). But I know I am beter used Commanding in WvW for more points and loot bags.

My point is, we are skilled too, but we have priorities.

You may be skilled for what you do….but MY point is that wouldn’t guarantee kittenx that you could beat half the lower tier 5 mans I know.

My old Gorilla 5 man team is no more before we left DH, but I had 2 warriors, 1 Engi, 1 Elem, and me Tanky Guard. 5 RE running around, aside from our RE zerg. I miss those guys, so no, I wouldnt even know who to pick If I did have to make a 5 man team again.

I could solo any of your melee though, that I could guarantee without any doubt. Unless they kite me like little girls lol. But as a commander, and for PPT no I dont think in 5 man team terms atm.

My guildie recrods vids, this stuff is so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Not our best work but a lot more fun than 5v5 or whatever.

Is this a troll thread, or just an example why KN lost so many guilds? I assume that CHIPS isn’t long-time KN or he’d realize how many of the original KN allies he just insulted (guess they are no good since they were in T8….)

You see, I’m in T4. All three servers have seen their WvW population diminish to go seek T1 glory (T2 in a few cases).

Those of us who stayed, learned something valuable. That being in a 60 man zerg does not make you any better. In fact, it probably makes you worse.

Since coming to T4, I’ve had some awesome fights: 1v1’s, 1v3’s 3v7’s. All the good fights that you typically don’t get when you are in some lagged out blob.

Scenario from this weekend: myself (a warrior), and a guardian guildie decided to hold a tower against the enemy in order to stall the enemy. Because it’s T4 numbers; we were able to kill a few enemies despite it being a group of 16 players who rushed the tower.

In T1, I would have lagged out and not been able to use a single skill. Plus I would not have been in the tower, since I would have been fighting 40 people, not 16.

In lower tiers, tactics and individual contributions do matter. One guy running into the keep to man the arrow cart can turn the tide of a battle now. One person spotting a ninja attack on a keep, matters a lot more in the lower tiers.

I like our WvW, and being in a server that will soon be moving back up to come kick your heinies; I hope you remember this.

Chris.3290:

Is this a troll thread, or just an example why KN lost so many guilds? I assume that CHIPS isn’t long-time KN or he’d realize how many of the original KN allies he just insulted (guess they are no good since they were in T8….)

You see, I’m in T4. All three servers have seen their WvW population diminish to go seek T1 glory (T2 in a few cases).

Those of us who stayed, learned something valuable. That being in a 60 man zerg does not make you any better. In fact, it probably makes you worse.

Since coming to T4, I’ve had some awesome fights: 1v1’s, 1v3’s 3v7’s. All the good fights that you typically don’t get when you are in some lagged out blob.

Scenario from this weekend: myself (a warrior), and a guardian guildie decided to hold a tower against the enemy in order to stall the enemy. Because it’s T4 numbers; we were able to kill a few enemies despite it being a group of 16 players who rushed the tower.

In T1, I would have lagged out and not been able to use a single skill. Plus I would not have been in the tower, since I would have been fighting 40 people, not 16.

In lower tiers, tactics and individual contributions do matter. One guy running into the keep to man the arrow cart can turn the tide of a battle now. One person spotting a ninja attack on a keep, matters a lot more in the lower tiers.

I like our WvW, and being in a server that will soon be moving back up to come kick your heinies; I hope you remember this.

Dude it is ironic that you said this, because those guilds that left Kaineng were those that transferred here in the first place. A lot of the people on Kaineng now are native Kaineng. Many local small guilds are stepping up and taking the place of those large guilds that left.

The current Kaineng is much stronger than the old Kaineng. The same crew have improved from our experience in tier 2. We are a server with tier 4 or 5 population and coverage, but with tier 2 skill sets and organization. The exact same people, only now much stronger. And that organization and teamwork is the only thing keeping us in tier 3 right now.

Both Maguuma and Yak are skillful foes and they vastly outnumber us. And given time I am sure Mag and Yak’s players will further improve their skillset to march ours. Like many of you said, it is very hard for skills to overcome numbers and coverage. Maguuma, just like Dragonbrand, will be the next server to get massive transfers, because they are and will be the winner of tier 3. And when that day comes Kaineng might indeed fall to tier 4 as you wished and hoped.

Do we worry about that? Of course we do! That’s why we are doing everything we can to further improve our players and organization. We really love the high intensity and competitiveness of higher tiers. Our server takes pride in being in tier 3, and fight hard everyday to stay here.

That I think is the correct attitude. We do care about the quality of the enemies that we fight against. Only by fighting against enemies that good and that massive can we know our true strength.

Littlefeather.8623:

My guildie recrods vids, this stuff is so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Not our best work but a lot more fun than 5v5 or whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVR4Nb90iDc

while that does look nice all I saw was Get boons up > blow all utilities > spam 2345 then 1111111111111111111111111 > avoid red circles

Littlefeather.8623:

My old Gorilla 5 man team is no more before we left DH, but I had 2 warriors, 1 Engi, 1 Elem, and me Tanky Guard. 5 RE running around, aside from our RE zerg. I miss those guys, so no, I wouldnt even know who to pick If I did have to make a 5 man team again.

I could solo any of your melee though, that I could guarantee without any doubt. Unless they kite me like little girls lol. But as a commander, and for PPT no I dont think in 5 man team terms atm.

Ehhh, talk is cheap. You don’t think about 5 man teams anymore because you are currently matched up with servers that will send 20+ people to take a supply camp if they want it.

Fighting heavily outnumbered in any tier that I’ve played in ranged from challenging to impossible as a result of downed state/rally mechanics and skill redundancy. This is predicated on the assumption that the people you are fighting are in any way competent.

Every tier I’ve played in had extremely competent players. I still remember the names from the servers I’ve played on and against like Grundlebad and the KT guys on SBI, Noice, Tzenjin and the FTF guys on Ehmry Bay, The Grindhouse guys and girls on Ehmry Bay, Oozo and the AD guys on Devonas, Spectrix from Yaks Bend (whose great failing is that he can’t be plugged into the game 24 hours a day, 7 days a week).

Theres so many I can’t name them all. But if you don’t pay attention, its easy to miss the people that make a difference, or the people who still put up a fight even though the numbers disparity means they can never win.

Honestly, its your loss if you think you can’t learn something from people like that, even if they aren’t currently playing in tiers 1 to 3.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Mindtrick.5190:

When my server dropped from t1 champs sea of sorrows and started to fall down tiers. My guild found out how lower tiers handle tough competition and fights. They just move to the map my guild was not on. Or stack one BL so much we end up fighting the whole server. Lower tiers say they don’t want to be t1 yet they play the ppt more hard up then any t1 server.

Bottom line t1 or bust, I’m on SOR now and it’s the best fighting I’ve seen yet.

Edit: all I do is roam in EB I’m rank 52

That was t3 and dragonbrand especially. It’s a hell of a lot better now. CD and SBI aren’t cowards, and keep coming and trying new tactics even if they wipe.

Lemmings I like those!

MrKnieves.4162:

60v60? LOL, that must be some awesome lag and slideshow. On T4 we have plenty of 30v30 daily and is a nightmare, and my PC is on the bleeding edge.

Whats best is when you get both of the other servers map zergs into your Garrison to try to beat you out of it. Look left its one server pan 90 degrees right its the other server.

180 people all hitting 1 at the same time.