Guild Wars 2

I should be able to use a rally point if I can outrun you as a ranger, a class with literally zero “Oh noes! LOLINVIS” buttons to save itself when beleaguered by EVERY OTHER CLASS :/

1st. I never said im doing it
2nd. Even if i was doing it, u have to proove it.
3rd. It could be fixed very easy, but arenanet dont care.

And as long they dont care ppl will be doing it. In the meantime u can cry a river

Just drop the downed system it does not work for WvW too many problems with it and it’s very unbalanced. For instance, 1 group can’t beat 3 groups running together, yes the 1 group could possibly down most of them but it only takes 1 person of the 3 group to kill someone from the small group then everyone springs to life again. It also encourages zerging and it’s the zerg that is ruining the game. My 30 person WvW guild is down to 3 cause of problems with this side of the game and the downed system is one of the few big problems.

These pvp games go about implementing logout all wrong. I tried unsuccessfully on both DAoC and Warhammer Online to get the best fix possible. Neither of those games did it. This game did not start with it. The answer is to allow the player to log the instant they want, but the character remains in play and inactive until flagged out-of-combat for a delayed period.

I have a better idea. Get rid of downstate and stop designing all your content around highlighting this ridiculous and mostly UN-FUN feature of the game. When this was brought to the table in your design meetings, undoubtedly there were those who opposed and you should have listened to them.

KiNgPiN.2075:

1st. I never said im doing it
2nd. Even if i was doing it, u have to proove it.
3rd. It could be fixed very easy, but arenanet dont care.

And as long they dont care ppl will be doing it. In the meantime u can cry a river

You are going into a WvW situation where it’s not designed for solo play then you get mad when a group kills you….what did you expect? Its WORLD vs WORLD, not one guy jumping around….that’s called PVE. If you really want to do the puzzle, you have to get some others to do it with you, this is a social game and you can’t solo everything, and if you try, you can’t get mad and rage log out because it bit you in the butt.

And I hope your server is doing well and you’re not taking up valuable server space where people who want to contribute to the server are waiting to get in while you try to do solo jumping puzzles.

Nah dont worry about me mate, im just trying to say why are ppl doing it. Im not persuading anyone to do it. But anyway, as i said, It Could Be Fixed. I hope your server is doing well too, thx

Oh I know why people do it…because we live in a society where more and more people don’t think they’re responsible for the consequences of their actions. “I’m not dumb for walking in solo to an area where I should logically epect groups of people that want to kill me, it’s that they’re meanies so I’ll rage log out and that’ll show them how not nice they are for playing the game as designed”.

That with a sprinking of “hey I lost fair and square but I’ve been getting a ribbon for a 7th place finish my entire life so I don’t know how to handle losing in a somewhat competative environment:”

Inconceivable.7823:

That with a sprinking of “hey I lost fair and square but I’ve been getting a ribbon for a 7th place finish my entire life so I don’t know how to handle losing in a somewhat competative environment:”

I LOL’d

QFT

Anet really can’t do anything about this. They can’t stop people from killing the process…

I started doing it because I read it on the forum that it was possible. I feel like a trolling thief now. Thank you for allowing us to do this. I kite through a pile of mobs, as many players as I can get to chase me, and then log when I’m at 25%. Then I port back to the entrance after I log back in. I’m proud of it. P.S. My server has like 25% of the players on the other 2 worlds in WvW. What do you expect? Pretty much every class other than an elementalist becomes God in full crafted crit gear vs someone without it. Vit/toughness (karma/badges) is supposed to counter someone critting with every ability. How about no? Right now I can gank all kinds of people, and then when I’m out-numbered, I just leave. Thief can still reign supreme over logouts. It’s too fast. I haven’t been doing it on downed state. I don’t wait that long. Thanks for telling me I can do it then, too. Adding to repertoire.

kousei.5914:

Anet really can’t do anything about this. They can’t stop people from killing the process…

What do you mean? AN can absolutely stop this and it happens in many other games. You log out or completely disconnect, your avatar still stays in game for 10-20 seconds, you get the kill/loot and they get the penalty. I immagine AN will make it so at some point.

katniss.6735:

I started doing it because I read it on the forum that it was possible. I feel like a trolling thief now. Thank you for allowing us to do this. I kite through a pile of mobs, as many players as I can get to chase me, and then log when I’m at 25%. Then I port back to the entrance after I log back in. I’m proud of it. P.S. My server has like 25% of the players on the other 2 worlds in WvW. What do you expect? Pretty much every class other than an elementalist becomes God in full crafted crit gear vs someone without it. Vit/toughness (karma/badges) is supposed to counter someone critting with every ability. How about no? Right now I can gank all kinds of people, and then when I’m out-numbered, I just leave. Thief can still reign supreme over logouts. It’s too fast. I haven’t been doing it on downed state. I don’t wait that long. Thanks for telling me I can do it then, too. Adding to repertoire.

Where did AN say you can/should do this? I’d love a quote or a link….because I read everything as “we’ll look at this and address it”. Be more strategic, don’t run into zergs, make groups, join a guild…but don’t violate the spirit and hopefully soon the rules of the game. And I say this as an elementalist.

Well I guess we’ll see what AN says….if they don’t address this and the daily server switch fairly fast, I’m done with GW2 because I WvW exclusively. And don’t get me wrong, I WANT to continue playing GW2 but not in a toxic environment…in the end, its a game and I want to have fun. If AN lets things happen that make it not fun for me then I will not play…and maybe if they take them away, others won’t…so they need to figure out what is more profitable for them since they’re a business and I can’t and won’t fault them for trying to make money. So we’ll see what they think is the best move and I’ll act accordingly.

Again in the end it’s just a game and you can only get so upset; you just move on to another game, I hear they exist…

what most games do is prevent u from logging out period when fighting/attacked/etc. what anet needs to do is put this into full affect even if they alt+f4 there char will be forced to stay in for a minute or two. and prevent them from jsut relogging so easily. its an unfair advantage/glitch if u want to call it that there takeing advantage of and basiclly makeing it unfair to the rest of us.

or what they can do is call it unbalanced/unfair advantage w/e they call it team play and punish people for doing it.

So, instead of waiting for 1-2 kills on puzzles or map and stealing the valuable place help your server by capping enemies bases. I never seen someone loging of in fight where ppl are caping bases. Problem solved.

You know how many people are doing it because of this and other threads? If it’s allowed, then why would we need a statement saying so? If it gets “fixed” faster because I’m brave enough to admit to doing it, (unlike 99% of the people in this thread claiming the contrary), then shouldn’t you be thanking me? ANet commented on a timer that may or may not be working as intended. They didn’t clearly state that you shouldn’t be able to log out in combat or downed state. I don’t run into zergs. It just happens when your server doesn’t even play the game. I did it about 3 times so far. At puzzle after killing people, then getting out-numbered. Had a ranger on me that was negating 1/3 of my hp every 10s while he was underwater. :/ And another time when I was being chased. All because someone posted you could do it yesterday.

lol@cannons.

I see lots of people nerd raging about others logging out before they die. Honestly if the person you’re attacking simply gives up, why are you so mad? Its not like they can log right back into WvWvW with the queue.. and its not like they are getting anything meaningful done in there by logging out.

If people want to talk about exploits and cheats, talk about that nasty teleportation and flying hack. That’s a bannable offence. Rage quitters? Sucks to be them imho.

Xia,
were not mad becuase they give up and log out. they log out and back in to prevent the points to be taken or shown. its not right either way u look at it

How do the logouts stop you from taking towers and keeps exactly? How can someone loging out affect your server’s score? Its a matter of perspective. When someone logs out when I’m running after them, I grin.. heck it makes me even chuckle. If they log out while I’m taking there resource depot, I love it.

I see people in all kinds of ways just loging out if they get cought 1v2 or they are losing 2v2 or 3v3, 2-3 of them will insta log out.

This definetly does not appear to be working.
I noticed this in a fit of frustration one night.
Alt F4 seems to immediatly close the game & log the user out thereby removing them from WvW.
There should be a server side timer that has no regard for client connectivity.

What do you mean? AN can absolutely stop this and it happens in many other games. You log out or completely disconnect, your avatar still stays in game for 10-20 seconds, you get the kill/loot and they get the penalty. I immagine AN will make it so at some point.

GW1 has a 10 minute disconnect timer (in PvE at least) where your toon stays in game on an abrupt d/c. I know because I healed a buddy’s toon for nearly the whole of that time at the end of The Deep so that he could reconnect and get his chest loot. For WvW I think a combat logout should work the same way.

Nah no timer just make logging insta-kill a downed player in WvW or sPvP. Fixed.

Forget the timer, just give them armour damage on disconnect. Server-side workarounds can’t be circumvented by just killing the GW2 process.

Robdalf.2561:

What do you mean? AN can absolutely stop this and it happens in many other games. You log out or completely disconnect, your avatar still stays in game for 10-20 seconds, you get the kill/loot and they get the penalty. I immagine AN will make it so at some point.

GW1 has a 10 minute disconnect timer (in PvE at least) where your toon stays in game on an abrupt d/c. I know because I healed a buddy’s toon for nearly the whole of that time at the end of The Deep so that he could reconnect and get his chest loot. For WvW I think a combat logout should work the same way.

GW1 had that for a disconnect, not a logout.

I do this all the time and frankly I will never stop until it’s patched. I have zero problem dying in large zerg fights but on the rare occasion a person and I are fighting 1v1 and someone else comes along and I get downed due to having just used a heal or whatever, I’ll ALT+F4 even BEFORE I get downed. In sPvP I’m to the point where dying in general is just unacceptable and I return to the mists 99% of the time when I’m downed before I can get stomped. If there was no downed state and you didn’t have to sit there like an idiot and watch your character get stomped I would have absolutely n0 problem with dying and would never quit.

I had that several times, guardians/warriors disappearing in downed state and wont come back and there was noone around to stealth them etc, i tab targeted and aoed the area.

I thought I was going crazy with everyone disappearing around me just before they’re about to die. I thought: “Sure, one would go offline.. but all of them??”.

Sadly, that seems to be the case. Now that queues are gone, people are doing this en masse. It’s really a massive phenomenon and it will increase as many more become aware of this nice feature that avoids repair costs and doesn’t reward your foe.

Yes ANet should fix this, but I’m more concerned about the state of the general population. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cB5voc5-6Y&t=0m13s

The ONLY reason players do this is because of repair cost. It’s not always a fair fight in WvW situation where you get outmanned, 1v2, 1vX, glitches, hacks, and forced to take the unfair loss to player himself. The world is cruel, true. Like SPvP, I think there shouldn’t be a repair cost for player killings. PvE aspect of WvW can deal with repair cost. I’m finding myself losing more money than I actually make in WvW and get little to no badges. Players like to get rewarded for their time spent. At the end of the day, the gold you make may be just about breakeven the repair cost which is certainly not encouraging in the long run.

its as simple as making a 40 sec logout timer.IDK about repair cost Get your self a full set of magic find armor ..farm creeps for 20 min and make a gold then go back.

Happened to me the first time today. Pisses me the hell off. I personally like the 10 sec logout suggestion.

I see this happen a lot too. I hope it’s fixed soon.

How do the logouts stop you from taking towers and keeps exactly? How can someone loging out affect your server’s score? Its a matter of perspective. When someone logs out when I’m running after them, I grin.. heck it makes me even chuckle. If they log out while I’m taking there resource depot, I love it.

I approve. I have the same thinking as you do.
Logout issue doesn’t bother me at all in w3. What matters is we got to capture/defend objectives successfully. Same for jumping puzzle camping. They’ll just weaken their server.
But it would be annoying in sPvP. Just like anet said, if timer is not working, it should be fixed.

In response to Matt above, combat has never prevented you from going to character selection screen regardless if you are downed or not. While I agree with everyone above that this needs changing, I think it is important to review the code that keeps you in combat first. Right now if you do not move far enough away you can stay in combat indefinitely even if nothing is hitting or attacking you. I force log in PvE at times just to get out of combat.

As for force logging in PvP I really do not care. The moment then do it, I won the fight and that is really all that matters to me. So not only did they lose, they are now an exploiter as well. The issue with reporting these kinds of things is how do you report someone that is no longer there and you have no idea what their name is because who looks at that in a random pvp fight?

Easy solution would be if you are in a downed state and log off you die. So when you come back on you still have to repair and the other character who kills you gets the reward.

Whoever said you could log out on downed state lied. lol It puts you wherever you zoned in from dead so you have to pay the silver for the wp, unless someone rezzes you.

katniss.6735:

Whoever said you could log out on downed state lied. lol It puts you wherever you zoned in from dead so you have to pay the silver for the wp, unless someone rezzes you.

Or unless you went into WvW from a city where using the waypoint is free. Besides, you still avoid paying the repair fee so it still saves you money.

I’ve seen this happen, I laugh it’s kinda funny… When you think you’re going to get the last laugh… Your opponent steals it and logs out!

Honestly, its really a simple solution, and one that almost every MMO has done.

Unless you’re in a town or some kinda neutral point in the map/WvWvW/sPvP hitting log out of character select takes maybe 15-20 seconds to completely go. If someone Alt+F4s, they’re still logged in for like 5 mins or whatever you will, and which point the game will recognize the person as being offline. The latter also helps with if someone DCs in a dungeon or something.

Really simple things that every MMO have standardized but this one, I don’t get it. Do they hire monkeys?

This is becoming an extremely annoying problem considering Badges of Honor already have such a low drop rate, this reduces the chances for receiving one even further. Not to mention the jumping puzzle vault door is STILL bugged so I can’t get badges from there anymore either. In this state, WvW is not worth doing for me until these issues are resolved.

I hope it never changes. Cracks me up every time.

When you give me a matchup where my server has more than 1% of the other team’s population, I’ll stop doing it.

The quote system is broken again (imagine that), so here goes:

“We do have a combat timer that prevents players from logging out or using a rally point. I’ll check into making sure this timer is getting applied to players in a down state as well.”

There are NO timers whatsoever that prevent players from logging out while in combat. None. Zero. Zilch. Log out to the character select screen is instant. Your character logs back in with full health. Why is it that an ArenaNet representative (and by extension ArenaNet) has absolutely no idea how this game works? Have you guys never played the game? Was there no testing done at all before you replied? Am I the only one that thinks this is a huge problem?