Guild Wars 2

yes but can we have a time frame when it will be released?
one month?
two month?

how long do you think it gonna take to create this?

I know that you are probably 110% focusing and your crew focusing on the league but how long when league have been launched should it take to create this?

thanks, this is the first piece of good news a lot of us have had in a while
could we please have a time frame for this?
i would logically assume it will come in play after the leagues
can we know if this is planned to be implemented this year?

thank you

Sounds cool. If only there was a way to do this with guilds outside of your cluster. Maybe in the future.

When can we hope to get a preview of what the area will look like? Any concept sketches you can share in the meantime?

Wemil.7052:

yes but can we have a time frame when it will be released?
one month?
two month?

how long do you think it gonna take to create this?

I know that you are probably 110% focusing and your crew focusing on the league but how long when league have been launched should it take to create this?

I highly doubt we see it this year. It will probably come during the first quarter of next year Jan-Mar.

This is a good first step.

Thank you.
took a bit of time and some drama for this to come around but im glad the Devs see the potential our GvG’s and the community has.

This is indeed great news, and I look forward to the possibility of returning to enjoying this game.

Godspeed,

devon 4 prez

will you be including members of the gvg community in your testing?
if you give us an idea of the amount of space, the terrain and just small details
the community can give you a lot of help with this
we have been waiting for a really really long time
and even though there has been quite a bit of negativity from us
i know that we would all love to see this be a success

Good job, at least we now have confirmation it’s being worked on. For everyone who will be yelling at them for a timeframe, please don’t. Just look at some of the details on the Bloodlust…. I don’t really want the devs to just copy and paste an area into a new map, and I sure don’t want a tiny area in South South where you can’t even maneuver.

Just finished reading it again, and I think he hints at there may be more of an arena-type style after this.

Thanks for this. The GvG issue is clearly one of the biggest pain points in WvW right now and I’m glad to see you’re addressing it.

Does this mean the jumping puzzle itself will be a battle area? Or will this be near but not in the actual puzzle?

As someone who loves this jumping puzzle, I’m just wondering if I’ll ever get to do it again or if it’ll be a 24/7 warzone.

I get confused on this whole GvG issue in WvW. Isn’t WvW supposed to be an " organized, large-scale battle", where people who don’t necessarily belong in a large guild can join up into bigger groups and work as a team against others doing the same? How else do you define it? Do we define WvW as nothing more than a glorified karma train mode now, that will soon contain even less combat other than PvDing towers and keeps that are rarely; if ever, defended? Maybe it should be renamed PvD after this? Where small bands of people on the three servers just camp the map clockwise until they get tired, and wonder what it would be like if there were actual big battles going on around them instead?

Encouraging guilds to break away from WvW is going to be a mistake in the long run for WvW. I can appreciate a guilds desire to have some kind of large scale battle with people they know. But I don’t think it needs to come at the expense of the people who don’t belong in larger guilds. If guilds don’t feel they have satisfying battles in WvW right now, I think that’s a reflection of the issues within the WvW game mode itself, that need to be addressed. This supposed band-aid might sweep some of the game issues under the rug for a while, but in the end, I think it will just make the game less about a server community, and more the haves and the have nots guild wise, until the whole game mode turns into an empty zone like what happened to the game modes in GW1. Can’t wait to see the worthless outmanned buff even more in the future, and try in vain to fight another higher population server that is spawn camping me into not bothering to play for another week.

Kylindra.1794:

Does this mean the jumping puzzle itself will be a battle area? Or will this be near but not in the actual puzzle?

As someone who loves this jumping puzzle, I’m just wondering if I’ll ever get to do it again or if it’ll be a 24/7 warzone.

100% sure it’s gonna be off the path of the JP. They just needed a place to put it that is already ingame so OS sounds like a perfect spot.

This is great news, glad to hear it and hope everyone will be able to stay out of each others hair now and enjoy the game.

This is a good move. It may actually draw more guilds to WvW. After they’re done GvG, they can come in and WvW.

Oh, but please turn off Bloodlust everywhere in WvW, not just the sanctum. GvG is not the only (or even the main) reason Bloodlust is bad.

Why are you adding it to obsidian sanctum in stead of just making it its own map? Last I checked Obsidian Sanctum was a jumping puzzle that sometimes people use parts of as an arena because there isn’t a WvW statted arena.

If it’s being added to the dropdown anyway then why not just make it its own map so people who want to use it don’t have to disturb people trying to do/prevent others from doing the JP?

Obviously crossbreeding this “gametype” with WvW proper was incompatible… why would you do the same thing again?

This is the greatest thing I’ve read in a very very long time. Thank you for putting development towards this. Will you be using players to beta this? People in the community can really give you good feedback on this seeing that we want to see this come out great

kodama spirit.2380:

I get confused on this whole GvG issue in WvW. Isn’t WvW supposed to be an " organized, large-scale battle", where people who don’t necessarily belong in a large guild can join up into bigger groups and work as a team against others doing the same? How else do you define it?

The issue is the GvG community is looking for fights on relative equal terms, without having to worry about [too much] interference in the form of outsiders jumping in, and people dropping arrow carts everywhere as is want to happen in WvW nowadays.

Do we define WvW as nothing more than a glorified karma train mode now, that will soon contain even less combat other than PvDing towers and keeps that are rarely; if ever, defended? Maybe it should be renamed PvD after this? Where small bands of people on the three servers just camp the map clockwise until they get tired, and wonder what it would be like if there were actual big battles going on around them instead?

Since the introduction of randomized matchups, this is what has been my experience, regardless of guild participation. T1 v any non-kitten beats them with superior arrow cart building ability and coverage. TC vs any non-T1, similar principals apply. As a member of TC, I cannot speak to how WvW operates elsewhere.
So, yes, regardless of the implementation of an “official” GvG mode, WvW == PvD.

Encouraging guilds to break away from WvW is going to be a mistake in the long run for WvW. I can appreciate a guilds desire to have some kind of large scale battle with people they know. But I don’t think it needs to come at the expense of the people who don’t belong in larger guilds. If guilds don’t feel they have satisfying battles in WvW right now, I think that’s a reflection of the issues within the WvW game mode itself, that need to be addressed.

I agree it is a reflection to the game mode, but also larger to the participants. To my knowledge siege-creeping and mono-blobing is more of a phenomenon particular to NA servers. With the league system, things have been getting worse. Even TC is losing guilds and people to T1 servers because they are [tangible] rewards-driven as opposed to looking for enjoyment.

This supposed band-aid might sweep some of the game issues under the rug for a while, but in the end, I think it will just make the game less about a server community, and more the haves and the have nots guild wise, until the whole game mode turns into an empty zone like what happened to the game modes in GW1. Can’t wait to see the worthless outmanned buff even more in the future, and try in vain to fight another higher population server that is spawn camping me into not bothering to play for another week.

Even the most hardcore GvGing guilds spent more time “raiding” in a WvW sense than they spent GvGing. The fact is GvGs take a couple hours at most, and most of the players interested in this sort of play style devote a lot more than a couple hours a week to the game. I do not want to make too harsh of a generalization, and can really only speak for my own experiences and observations.

TL;DR:

WvW does not have the feel of a finished game mode, and has been broken partially due to neglect by developers and partially due to [tangible] rewards-driven play by users. GW2 “GvG” is fun. This was ruined with the implementation of the new orb buff. Allowing GvGers a place to go that does not have these buffs SHOULD appease both sides of the argument. We will no longer “take queue spots” and [hopefully] interference will be limited given our own area.

EDIT: Disclaimer. This post is merely my opinion, and should not be taken to reflect the opinions of anyone else or be construed as fact.

PopeUrban.2578:

Why are you adding it to obsidian sanctum in stead of just making it its own map? Last I checked Obsidian Sanctum was a jumping puzzle that sometimes people use parts of as an arena because there isn’t a WvW statted arena.

If it’s being added to the dropdown anyway then why not just make it its own map so people who want to use it don’t have to disturb people trying to do/prevent others from doing the JP?

Obviously crossbreeding this “gametype” with WvW proper was incompatible… why would you do the same thing again?

I believe the logic is to create the JP as a type of “overflow” WvW map to combat ques on the other maps while at the same time accomodating GvG, which would also combat ques.

You toke your time Arena Net.

Better late than never, As i enjoy both GvG and WvW, I can’t wait for this change. While we’re at it, Can we get a GvG Subforum, instead of that horrid In-Game Events.

Thank you, Devon!

According to Devon, this is NOT GvG. Instead, it is called “organized, large-scale battles.” That means they’re still planning to implement the best possible GvG mode.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

As Devon mentioned, it won’t be released until it’s ready—and this includes information about it. Features are prone to change during development and that means that time estimates may change during the course of creating, iterating, and testing on that feature. If a time estimate were to be given now, it’s likely it would change—which would disappoint some and prompt others to accuse us of of “lying” or “broken promises.” We know some people are looking forward to this feature and learning more, and you’ll know more about it when we have that info to share.

People are more excited for this than for most other WvW patches that ever came/got announced. Is it that hard to simply say that it will/will not happen before the season hits?
Or to be precise simply say that it wont happen before Season 1. Means that you just bought a timeframe of 7 weeks and can bring it up later. Otherwise people will keep raising the same questions all the time.

Aieo.2815:

According to Devon, this is NOT GvG. Instead, it is called “organized, large-scale battles.” That means they’re still planning to implement the best possible GvG mode.

That’s right. ANet is not going to make a GvG mode if only a small proportion of players are going to participate in it, but at the same time they wanted to appease the vocal minority without investing too many resources into it.

So if the GvG community does grow sufficiently, we will probably see a formal GvG mode sometime in the future.

Thank you, that’s all I can say.

Thanks, first time for a long period that Anet seems to be listening to the players.

When can we expect changes/additions to the current guild features? Many useful/existing features from GW1 were removed.

I just have one question, will other people be able to interrupt the fights, cause if so I will troll the hell out of these fights.

Will it be like the Bane instance in the Black Citadel? Lots of seats for everyone there

it’s very easy to integrate GvG into WvW and the PPT game. it would be nice if players were asked to give some ideas if the devs arent sure where to go.

GvG is basically the WvW endgame. it was invented by WvW’ers to improve retention and give their guilds a PURPOSE. it would be very foolish to ignore GvG and its popularity, and to not expand on it.

DevonCarver.5370:

Greetings,

“We have decided to add an area to the Obsidian Sanctum jumping puzzle that is large enough to fit the fights…

Uhm? It just sounds like a giant arena.

It won’t be GvG until you:

• Add Guild Halls
• Add Several GvG Maps (not one large area)
• Add a Guild Ladder

Anet please model after the GvG Basics Guide and give us real GvG again.

my prayers have been answered

Just be happy that they gave us something that will suffice for the time being.

Aieo.2815:

According to Devon, this is NOT GvG. Instead, it is called “organized, large-scale battles.” That means they’re still planning to implement the best possible GvG mode.

call it whatever you want.
Gw2 GvG will be held there.

THANK YOU, Love back to you, Thank you

Nice one Anet! U saving this game with it) it still good but gvg map would be awesome addition!

U will see that after implementing and u will not regret because of big effort to apply this.

Looking forward to it.

Thank you.

Zesty.8160:

Aieo.2815:

According to Devon, this is NOT GvG. Instead, it is called “organized, large-scale battles.” That means they’re still planning to implement the best possible GvG mode.

That’s right. ANet is not going to make a GvG mode if only a small proportion of players are going to participate in it, but at the same time they wanted to appease the vocal minority without investing too many resources into it.

So if the GvG community does grow sufficiently, we will probably see a formal GvG mode sometime in the future.

GvG in GW1 is still going strong,I bet it has more players then SPvP in GW2.

FINALLY! some evidence that WvW is moving in the right direction

It has been stated that they will disable the Bloodlust buff in obsidian sanctum.

A big thanks to the devs. We all know that you have a tight schedule and not unlimited resources and we thank you very much. We are super excited. Also make an ANet guild and lets have some GvG fun…

Thank you Evan.

please do something beautiful to support guild vs guild…this 20 vs 20 zerg running into each other is more like a compromise that shouldn’t last too long.

Simply put, the WvW developers aren’t allowed to make a GvG game mode. From what I gathered, they can’t make that decision, so the harsh criticism was undeserved, but be happy that they gave us a bone anyways and added this so we can still GvG.

Thanks Devon, I love it when Arenanet make these simple common sense changes that solves a lot of problems.

Hopefully GvG developers from here and then we can see what Arenanet can bring us in the future.

Hopefully they’ll have it’s on queue portal from LA/Mists for this.

Thank you for the update Devon.

Are you going to add a pond/lake somewhere in the JP so we can have ‘large scale underwater battles’ as well? :P

yay. ty this is indeed exciting news for many of us. gvg was in desperate need of attention.