Guild Wars 2

Edge of the mists should def. have same pip system as WvW, it is more or less the same, the only difference is that it does not count for the total score of WvW.
I can really not see any reason not to have a pip system in WvW

It will lower the que, it will include people and not exclude them for how long they want to be infront of a pc waiting to get in, And most important of all, it will make the Edge of the Mist idea come out. “waiting to get into wvw” it wont be a waste of time to get into EotM.

It will differentiate people based on if they want to farm or WvW, obviously the pip system should either be parallel with the reward system of wvw or lower (but since its timed it does not matter)

I really can not see this being bad in any aspect, but if you think it is a bad idea, or not ideal, please inform me why.

The idea of Pips was to get people playing WvW again in the long term, not so they could ktrain it in eotm.

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Lahmia.2193:

The idea of Pips was to get people playing WvW again in the long term, not so they could ktrain it in eotm.

The idea was to give good rewards for wvw aswell as pve, it was so the WvW players didnt fell like they were wasting their time. The actual rewards gathered from WvW is def. not as good as PvE to this day. Only thing PvE players have to aim for, is that backpack.

(to remove some of the thought systems most have for some weird reason):

Besides that, PvE players are not in WvW atm, look in twitch…..What is happening is that WvW players are clinging to wvw because they dont want to get kicked out, so they stay there for more than 4 hours (it takes 2 hours to move 10 people, people are literally afking/staying in wvw so they wont get kicked). The idea is also you see good names guilds in WvW that are ALOT worse now than they were pre-release, they are literally thinking that it is filled with PvE so they can be just as noobish. There are players who is in GvG guilds that are on top tier that instantly dies in train because they just runs into the bomb.

What you are saying is that you want to force every loot on 1 place (wvw) for some reason to have people stay there for as long as possible

PabbyGaul.9682:

No /15characters

I dont get that…………..15 characters?

Even arena net doesn’t see EoTM as wvw, They call it a test map, so naturally it should be less rewarding than real play where you actually have to kill an enemy now and then. The EoTMers should be glad right now that there are much less guilds on there hunting down their easy free bags and their ktrains can run much more efficiently thanks to that.

If you want pips and WvW rewards play WvW not EotM

They want to drive people into WvW and not EOTM, and I agree with that stance

Lahmia.2193:

The idea of Pips was to get people playing WvW again in the long term, not so they could ktrain it in eotm.

Unfortunately, WvW has now become ktrain central, ironically. Once the new influx of PvErs gain their desired rewards, the WvW population will dwindle further.

As I understood it, EoTM was created to wait for WvW, that is why unlimited amount of people can join EotM etc….. Based on that knowledge, giving the same amount of rewards (at least based on pips) will make EotM what it is meant for, being a waiting period for WvW. Not a place you are forced to be or go out and do PvE, even though PvE rewards is better, but less enjoyable than wvw/eotm

Creating a 5th tier for NA and a 6th tier for EU would lower the current ques as well.

Adding the pip system to eotm would just make people flock to eotm for easy rank gain and rewards.

But, I’m honestly ok with either at this point as I always thought the linked pops with 4 tiers NA was getting pretty close to solid before the eotmisters came.

They could do both IMO, as a 5th tier would open up more possibility for outnumbered bonus. But if they added pips to EOTM, I don’t think those guys should receive the loyality bonus.

An extra tier would not work until anet blows all servers up and population redistributes into many smaller servers that can be used to better balance populations. This route I am all for but the player base likes their stacked servers too much to agree

Well you could make it 1/2 pips when in eotm. So if your gold and wining you only get 3.

zengara.8301:

PabbyGaul.9682:

No /15characters

I dont get that…………..15 characters?

He means everyone of his 15 characters says No /s

ohh well…..I guess it all goes towards socialism vs liberalism.
Even though the idea behind giving WvW more rewards was a socialistic idea, people want to have a liberalistic approach to it, by closing it to some extend only to WvW.

Never been a fan of liberalism, and find it honestly hypocritical in every aspect to only close this idea towards WvW when the whole idea was based on a socialistic ideology (You can WvW and still get good rewards vs you need to farm like a zombie in a meta map)

But again, I am very biased towards a socialistic notion. And I was also one of those found it hypocritical that people wanted more when A-Net opened their heart and made Guild Wars free, and used agendas like “people just bought the game, not me ofc. but other people” because those who just bought it either didnt care, or got their money again.

In short: I found out that we cant all agree, either you want it to be more exclusive or inclusive, based on your personal thoughts on how the game should be

Op the rewards are Mistwar Rewards EotM is not part of the Mistwar, if you want the rewards play WvW which is the Mistwar pretty simple.

They should probably put 1 pip as a baseline maximum to earn in eotm, so that people who can’t get on maps due to queues can at least have a reason to go to eotm. But also up the participation level required to like 5 instead of 3 to kill afkers faster, since it’s a ktrain in there usually, 5 should be easy to maintain.

zengara.8301:

PabbyGaul.9682:

No /15characters

I dont get that…………..15 characters?

Posts need to have at least 15 characters (letters, numbers, punctuation, etc.). When players give short, one-worded posts, they add ‘/15chars’ or /15characters’ to add in the rest of the characters needed for the comment to be posted.

Sly.9518:

Op the rewards are Mistwar Rewards EotM is not part of the Mistwar, if you want the rewards play WvW which is the Mistwar pretty simple.

I’ll play devils advocate for a sec, the supply at your spawn comes from eotm, so technically eotm is part of the mistwars, even if only a small part. Now, this may not seem like a huge deal, but if you’ve ever woken up to a fully upgraded enemy owned bl, it is a big deal.

HazyDaisy.4107:

Sly.9518:

Op the rewards are Mistwar Rewards EotM is not part of the Mistwar, if you want the rewards play WvW which is the Mistwar pretty simple.

I’ll play devils advocate for a sec, the supply at your spawn comes from eotm, so technically eotm is part of the mistwars, even if only a small part. Now, this may not seem like a huge deal, but if you’ve ever woken up to a fully upgraded enemy owned bl, it is a big deal.

Devs have stated EotM is not part of the Mistwar…..

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Adzekul.3104:

A thought occurred to me … since I play both Edge of the Mists and The Mist War … does all of this only apply to The Mist War, or does it apply to Edge of the Mists also?

Skirmishes are only part of The Mist War and not part of EoTM. Because of that pips cannot be earned while in EoTM. However, vendors for both the backpack and skirmish rewards will be in EoTM in case of queues.

According to ANet neither of the guest servers I’m on are apart of the Mist wars either, but I digress…

zengara.8301:

Edge of the mists should def. have same pip system as WvW, it is more or less the same, the only difference is that it does not count for the total score of WvW.
I can really not see any reason not to have a pip system in WvW

It will lower the que, it will include people and not exclude them for how long they want to be infront of a pc waiting to get in, And most important of all, it will make the Edge of the Mist idea come out. “waiting to get into wvw” it wont be a waste of time to get into EotM.

It will differentiate people based on if they want to farm or WvW, obviously the pip system should either be parallel with the reward system of wvw or lower (but since its timed it does not matter)

I really can not see this being bad in any aspect, but if you think it is a bad idea, or not ideal, please inform me why.

That is like giving out T4 fractal and raid rewards for doing temples in Orr or just plainly leveling a toon via running around in any of the open world maps. Equivalent of it.

So no, the newly added rewards should absolutely not be allowed in EOTM. EOTM is not a part of WVW, the current new rewards are.

Sly already linked the statement ANet made on this subject.

I stand by what their statement is – it’s not part of the Mist War therefore no pips should be given in EOTM. WvW rewards are for people who play WvW, not a ‘waiting lobby testing ground’ sandpit map with PvE uplevels rolling around all over it.

While I agree that pips in and of themselves should not be able to be gained in EoTM, I would love for Anet to add the ability to gain pips when both of the following are true and they are: 1) you have an active queue for a WvW bl and 2) all 4 BL’s in your match are queued.

I agree with the comments here that the WvW rewards should only be able to gained in WvW but when you have all four BL’s queued you should have the ability to gain pips in EoTm while waiting for your queue to pop. This would match the original intent of EoTM and that was to give people waiting in queue a place to play WvW while they waited.

I doubt those in favor of pips being earned in eotm are only considering the the end reward to be gained from acquisition of said pips. I myself have said in the past eotm isn’t a bl, because it’s not, it’s a green vs blue vs red zerg fest, but it is still a fight and it still falls under the competitive game mode category.

We all say, oh no, I never rank farmed there, but only some of us are telling the truth.

To add pip gain to eotm would free up ques and to alter and lower the number of pips that could be gained there vs the higher number you could get in a bl or even ebg (which is nothing more than eotm on speed, but still considered the mist wars…) would continue to draw newer players and eotm vets to the BLs.

There’s a skirmish like timer in eotm, I believe it’s 2 hours right, so 1, 2, 3 pips for 1st 2nd and 3rd place every 2 hours seems fair to those wanting the easy path, no loyality, no outnumbered, no commander bonus, just 1, 2 or 3 every 2 hours.

EotM is basically a lounge or that’s how it was destined to be. U can farm ranks there if u want but the rewards from pips and server contribution dont work. That seems fair enough.

We already had mindless ktrains for years on EotM, gaining pips on top of that would be a bad idea unless u are one of those super casuals that cant fight for kitten.

How about you can earn rewards in EOTM only while you are queueing for WvW. once you get into a WvW map you can’t earn pips in EOTM for the rest of the day.

It is easy enough to queue for EBG and re-enter queue when it pops In an hour.

With the ques some people that want to WvW have to go to EOTM. So maybe like a system that gives you like 25% – 50% of what normally you would get in WvW. This would help while you are qued for a BL for regular WvW. Won’t be holding my breath on this idea, but would be nice.

Relinks are soon, any change before now is pointless. And almost it should be capped at 1 pip per ticket if anet gives in as this is just the waiting room.

neven.3785:

Relinks are soon, any change before now is pointless. And almost it should be capped at 1 pip per ticket if anet gives in as this is just the waiting room.

I could agree with this. I would like something while I wait in the que. I personally do not care for EOTM but it is better than no WvW. So 1 per tick sounds legit. It will make it so people do not abuse it.

zengara.8301:

even though PvE rewards is better

If PvE rewards are so much better, why are you even complaining about not being able to get WvW pips in EOTM? You aren’t making much sense.

NO

(no no no)

Chaba.5410:

zengara.8301:

even though PvE rewards is better

If PvE rewards are so much better, why are you even complaining about not being able to get WvW pips in EOTM? You aren’t making much sense.

Well, based on my previous posts, I obviously find PvE a lot less fun than WvW or EoTM which is frankly the same. The only real part that is not, is PPT….which I am not a huge fan of either. But most runs, if not all are about fights in my server, so cant complain there (Even in EoTM)

neven.3785:

Even arena net doesn’t see EoTM as wvw, They call it a test map, so naturally it should be less rewarding than real play where you actually have to kill an enemy now and then. The EoTMers should be glad right now that there are much less guilds on there hunting down their easy free bags and their ktrains can run much more efficiently thanks to that.

And yet it’s the EotM ktrainers that are in the best situation now.

neven.3785:

It is easy enough to queue for EBG and re-enter queue when it pops In an hour.

This. Can you imagine the abuse and queue sizes if anet implemented this?

The point of the new system was to give long overdue rewards to WvW players who have been neglected for 5 years. It also brings in an influx of new players that was cut off when WvW map completion was dropped as part of the requirement for legendaries, and cut off one step further when megaservers were put in. In both aspects, the new system is successful. I’m generally highly critical of Anet, but they did a kitten good job with this system.

If I want dungeon gear, I have to run dungeons. If I want fractal gear, I have to run fractals. If I want raid gear, I have to run raids. If you want WvW rewards, you have to play WvW. If you want rewards for playing in EotM, then you’ll need to ask Anet for EotM specific rewards. Just like WvW players had to ask for WvW specific rewards. We waited for 5 years to get them, and they shouldn’t turn around and slap the WvW playerbase in the face by giving them to people who aren’t playing actual WvW.

I too believe EOTM is not part of WvW, and is only on the WvW map and in the WvW menu for… reasons?

Phantom.8130:

If I want dungeon gear, I have to run dungeons.

ironically, this is a terrible example, since not only can you get dungeon gear via reward tracks it’s much easier to do so than running the actual dungeons (and was even before Anet nerfed the rewards and everyone abandoned them).

(this is also true of most HoT stuff, geodes and fossil insects from Dry Top, and meta rewards from LS3).

I find it funny those that claim EOTM isn’t WvW because of ktrainers, meanwhile, in EBG/the BL’s, zergs are doing exactly that all day long. Being in EBG/BL’s does not suddenly mean you aren’t with a ktrain.

Prior to the WvW patch, there were plenty of fights in EOTM, even if the skill floor was noticeably lower, they were there (since the patch, EOTM has been a ghost town). The days of avoiding other zergs to PvD ended a long time ago and EOTM had become like a WvW training ground with less skilled groups but similar politics. People just hate on it because of the stigma that it’s a ktrain map for PvE’rs when in reality, the exact same kitten goes on in EBG/the BL’s.

Since the patch, I’d say “real” WvW is closer to being like EOTM than it’s ever been at this point so I don’t understand what the problem is with giving EOTM a watered down version of pip rewards. It should absolutely have reduced rewards since it’s score doesn’t contribute to the over all leaderboards but that doesn’t mean it should be left out entirely. If people want to be more casual and are willing to spend more time to get their rewards, let them. It frees up queue space and everyone’s happy.

Eotm should definitely have the pip system. eotm was created to give players the same rewards as wvw all while being a map that never gets a full que of players, unlike wvw. By not giving the same rewards it de-insentivises play in eotm over wvw. It also defeats the purpose of its original implementation.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Eotm should definitely have the pip system. eotm was created to give players the same rewards as wvw all while being a map that never gets a full que of players, unlike wvw. By not giving the same rewards it de-insentivises play in eotm over wvw. It also defeats the purpose of its original implementation.

No reward deserved for eotm and good if it is a disincentive cos eotm should never take priority over real wvw.
It will also fix the “play in eotm this week” guilds/servers who were manipulating server population.
All in all eotm is bad for wvw.

A looooong time ago when they opened eotm a LOT of ppl left wvw and went there because they could run around in a circle and farm/level easily without having to fight scary ppl. That was the beginning of the fall of wvw……..

NO WAY

I haven’t posted in a long time. I’m going to repeat my stance on EotM and it’s purpose.

“It should not be available for play unless all 4 WvW maps are qued and you que for one of them. Once you enter enter EotM and your que pops, take it or get kicked out of EotM.

I agree with the watered down PIP system for EoTM. For me it’s….
1. EoTM – lot more fun when all 3 sides are going at it. Rarely get 1 hit. Never get client kicked. And always theres is a “Holy Carp” moment!
2. “Alpine” BL (not desert) – when full, always interesting fights
3. EBG – seems like the same ol’. Always get insta killed. Always client disconnect
Maybe, just maybe, there are those who prefer EoTM’s insane battles and fast paced game play. Why not give them a watered down version of PIP???

EoTM is not WvW. EoTM is basically Peggle. Just a minigame you play while waiting for actual WvW.