I lol’d, they are “working on it” did you really expect something already???
I honestly dont expect one single step in the right direction anymore.
Would have been nice if they made changes BEFORE WvW League starts.
/le sigh
You know it’s a fail balance patch when nothing is done about this.
Quit whining. I was excited about Perplex runes because they made confusion viable for mesmer. Now my traits are screwed up so I may as well go back to zerk shatter build.
You know it’s a fail balance patch when nothing is done about this.
This!
Quit whining. I was excited about Perplex runes because they made confusion viable for mesmer. Now my traits are screwed up so I may as well go back to zerk shatter build.
You mean viable for bad mesmers.
These would still be phenomenally strong with a 30-second or 60-second cooldown.
On the one hand it is often more difficult not to interrupt a player since #1 weapon skills count as full casts in this game. On the other hand many playstyles bank heavily into auto damage (and on a nitpicking level, there’s no such thing as a true “auto”) where those are the key skills to anticipate. It’s complex.
Oh well that’s it, I’m buying a set.
Thief can apply 25 stack confusion pretty easily and repeated CC on a 3 second cooldown now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1oic60/thieferis_the_snare_king_thief_proof_of_concept/
You know it’s a fail balance patch when nothing is done about this.
Ow thats hardly the only thing. Necro’s havent gotten nerfed and Warriors even got buffed, even the Hammer!
I’m pretty sure we can just leave the word “balance” completely out of any description of this patch.
Your logic is flawed thinking of 1v1 only. If I’m in a group of 5 putting oodles of confusion on everyone who cares if I’m not doing much other damage. It was just an example anyways to show how many interrupts you can have at one time to point out the need for an icd.
This is where you are wrong, I always think in every possible perspective I can see.
You still use a bad exemple and try to find a sorry excuse to say I’m wrong because I should not take into consideration the things you say.Speaking of your exemple, we are talking about something close to 65 dmg per confusion stacks, in Pvp without any condition gear, while with a condition gear you should be around 172 dmg a stack. That’s almost 1/3 of its base power, so your 25stacks of confusion are more like 9 stacks of confusion from a real condition build perspective and anyone playing a condition build relying on confusion is going to be mildly annoyed because anyone using that build is going to leave no room for real condition damage builds.
Also any team fight has condi removal flying around like it is Christmas, so that kind of build is going to be shutdown whenever you will have a guardian applying stability to your team or whenever you someone is going to put a field that clears condition.
Anyways, lets look at a REAL condition warrior build that I ran and was completely ridiculous.
With Mace/Sword Sword/Shield and bleeds that ticked 135 BEFORE might. I had btw 28k hp, 3000 armor and still ran with Cleansing Ire, this is with no Ascended btw only exotics. I still had 6 interrupts (including fall trait – which btw you would be surprised how much use you can get out of in normal terrain), could have been 7 but I ran one defensive utility. Torment that ticked very high along with bleeds ticking 135+ and the ability to stack 21 confusion with 2 interrupts(very easy to do).. All while still being very defensive with 3 blocks and decent condi removal through cleansing ire. This is also while having spam immobiles through leg specialits + flurry.
You can’t be serious calling this a “real condition warrior build”, Mace&Sword is one of the worst combination you can come with and you don’t have Fast Hand meaning you get stucked for 10sec with a subpar combination with no mobiliy whenever you would like to apply Torment or chain Stun your foe for the use of distracting strike + rune of perplexity. If you run 28K health and 3K armor it means you have almost 0 critical chance so you get almost no benefits from precise strike.
It is just a troll build, you get a lot of reflects and confusion but whenever someone sees trough your little game and take any form of condi removal, blind or stability you are left with subpar damage and no way to beat your opponent.
The build itself was already over the top, these runes with no ICD made it utterly ridiculous.
I don’t think so, this build is probably one of the worst anyone could create, you will see a lot more Sw/Sw + longbow combos and Mace/Shield + Hammer running around and be a lot more effective.
I don’t think you understand my build at all, probably because it’s not a forum fotm build.. It’s totally ok that you don’t understand it but I’d like to point out that every assumption you made about the build was completely wrong. It does actually use fast hands btw so no I’m not stuck for 10s in a weapon set. You are wrong about the crit chance as well as I use a mixture of rabid and dire. Run about 50% on crit chance under fury which is plenty. The 28k hp is with guard stacks btw.
Sword/Shield Mace/Sword imo is far superior to s/s-longbow which I have also used. Just needs to be used properly which luckily thick headed people like you don’t think outside of set rotations and fotm forum builds. I am happy my build is not all over the forum and people like you assume it would suck, because I don’t want to fight against a bunch of ppl using it.
No changes… wow ANet…
Yeah I know, its not like complaints have just started its mind boggling that it takes this long to make what isn’t a large change.
Quit whining. I was excited about Perplex runes because they made confusion viable for mesmer. Now my traits are screwed up so I may as well go back to zerk shatter build.
Don’t complain when you get chain confusion by warrior/thief.
And I thought mesmer is bad enough .
Oh well that’s it, I’m buying a set.
Getting one for my warrior.
No changes… wow ANet…
Yeah I know, its not like complaints have just started its mind boggling that it takes this long to make what isn’t a large change.
I agree its professionaly incompetent.
I’m surprised they haven’t fixed these stupid runes already. runes shouldn’t be exponentially more powerful than character traits. There are way crappier runes that have 90 second cooldowns. Why this has no cooldown at all, I just cant fathom any possible reason. I might as well buy a set for all my characters. Already have some for warrior and thief just to troll people. Might as well buy them for everyone if they aren’t going to fix these stupidly overpowered things. All other runes are inferior compared to them because of how over the top they are. Almost everyone I run into in wvw runs perplexity runes. I’m gimping myself by not having them since literally almost every single person I face has them.
Easy FIX:
(1): +28 Condition Damage
(2): 15% Confusion Duration
(3): +55 Condition Damage
(4): 20% chance to cause Confusion on hit (15 second cooldown).
(5): +100 Condition Damage
Substitute this:
(6): +15% Confusion duration. Causes 10 seconds of Confusion on interrupt.
by
(6): +15% Confusion duration. Chance to spawn a perplexed duck with absolutely no purpose!
or simply add a 10 sec cd!
/cheers
So Anet, when and what are the changes? It would be nice if these were changed before leagues start.
You know it’s a fail balance patch when nothing is done about this.
Ow thats hardly the only thing. Necro’s havent gotten nerfed and Warriors even got buffed, even the Hammer!
I’m pretty sure we can just leave the word “balance” completely out of any description of this patch.
i strongly suspect they make changes with data farming what people are playing actively, so with people finding strengths with certain classes, more people play them, so anet boosts them to cater to the face of the month players, vs fixing issues that have been around since day 1.
How did these not get nerfed already? Anet, internal cooldown on 6 piece bonus, gogo.
How often does the entire community across all class agree that something is absolute BS? This should have been handled already.
no way jose… anet staff are still having fun with this perplex rune.. when they are done with it only then they will add the 10sec ICD…
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It’s not about the runes, it’s about sending a message. Aka “we dont care at all”. In other games unbalanced things like this runes would be fixed immediatly, leaving this for months says more about how much they care than any “we look into it” post.
It’s not about the runes, it’s about sending a message. Aka “we dont care at all”. In other games unbalanced things like this runes would be fixed immediatly, leaving this for months says more about how much they care than any “we look into it” post.
I am shocked they have lasted so long.
The thing is, the rune is actually balanced if you look at WvW raid perspective.
Also it’s pretty balanced when used on mesmer.
However….the rest is just op, lame and way too easy to kill with.
I heard some servers have a few guilds that ONLY run with those runes, thats kinda pathetic.
It’s not about the runes, it’s about sending a message. Aka “we dont care at all”. In other games unbalanced things like this runes would be fixed immediatly, leaving this for months says more about how much they care than any “we look into it” post.
um check world of warcraft….they need usually like year if not longer to fix anything broken in pvp…
Cant remember much of wow pvp, wasnt my cup of tea. It just feels like it’s half an hour for a developer to fix the runes as there is no complicated bug behind this, but nothing is happening for months. Thats whats disappointing me most.
Saw a ranger using this last week, it wasn’t very effective but the initial uh, confusion of confusion stacks on me was, confusing.
This thread is still winning I see.
Antitoxin Spray
Prepare for battle with a new universal healing skill! A dose of this cutting-edge Antitoxin Spray will cleanse yourself and nearby allies of poison, torment, confusion, and toxin. This skill is available to characters of all professions.
Next release kittentards.
If you can’t handle confusion with this then y’all need to go do something else with your lives.
Antitoxin Spray
Prepare for battle with a new universal healing skill! A dose of this cutting-edge Antitoxin Spray will cleanse yourself and nearby allies of poison, torment, confusion, and toxin. This skill is available to characters of all professions.
Next release kittentards.
If you can’t handle confusion with this then y’all need to go do something else with your lives.
To be honest that skill sounds like it should stay in pve only. It would be something for people that have geared for condition damage in wvw :/
Antitoxin Spray
Prepare for battle with a new universal healing skill! A dose of this cutting-edge Antitoxin Spray will cleanse yourself and nearby allies of poison, torment, confusion, and toxin. This skill is available to characters of all professions.
Next release kittentards.
If you can’t handle confusion with this then y’all need to go do something else with your lives.
lol…. so your solution is to condi removal it with a pve skill, triggering the damage from those 25 stacks of confusion, and within 10 seconds of combat they’ll all be back.
Antitoxin Spray
Prepare for battle with a new universal healing skill! A dose of this cutting-edge Antitoxin Spray will cleanse yourself and nearby allies of poison, torment, confusion, and toxin. This skill is available to characters of all professions.
Next release kittentards.
If you can’t handle confusion with this then y’all need to go do something else with your lives.
lol…. so your solution is to condi removal it with a pve skill, triggering the damage from those 25 stacks of confusion, and within 10 seconds of combat they’ll all be back.
hm exactly my thoughts.
Haven’t had a chance to try Antitoxin yet but I do hope that this is not meant to be the balance to perplexity.
hey, while you guys are making the mesmer even weaker, can you please slow him down some more and make any runes I could use to fix this more than I can ever afford so I have no hope of ever pvpn’g in wvw again ? thanks!!
hey, while you guys are making the mesmer even weaker, can you please slow him down some more and make any runes I could use to fix this more than I can ever afford so I have no hope of ever pvpn’g in wvw again ? thanks!!
The problem is serious, it’s almost impossible to counter this, you can’t attack ‘cause of confusion ( 10+ staks ), so you dodge and wait to clean that kitten off only to see it pop 2 seconds later, and then what ? none of the player will kill each other, you can only pretend to kill noobs, that’s lame.
my mesmer moves like a tank and dies like a fly. i’d have to make him weak and useless to balance out the damage he takes. can we at least have decent damage ? no…I’m going all pve – wvw is stressful, and this is a game – a pass time, not a job. there is no real pvp to get into.
I run this with my D/D Ele. It’s really good.
my server is facing jq this week, ive never seen that many perplexity users in one area, i actually got stacked with 18 confusion just of the 4/6 skill on the runes, i some how managed to survive (stealth ftw) and me and my team mates managed to beat them but kitten if i wasn’t in the zone i was done for
i was just looking up the rune of torment, which basically has the same thing but with torment which probably does even more damage – being that the confusion skill is nerfed in pvp – it does half the pve damage. but torment hasn’t gotten “fixed” yet. – so i suppose thieves have a month or 2 to enjoy that before torment gets halved and the runes get nerfed. I’m tempted to come up with a torment build for my mesmer, but i’d rather not even try – it’s obvious it will change.
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Anet nerf perplexity now, not in 1 year come on!
Antitoxin Spray
Prepare for battle with a new universal healing skill! A dose of this cutting-edge Antitoxin Spray will cleanse yourself and nearby allies of poison, torment, confusion, and toxin. This skill is available to characters of all professions.
Next release kittentards.
If you can’t handle confusion with this then y’all need to go do something else with your lives.
lol…. so your solution is to condi removal it with a pve skill, triggering the damage from those 25 stacks of confusion, and within 10 seconds of combat they’ll all be back.
Rofl if you getting that much confusion on you at that rate you doing something wrong. Try evading or breaking LoS when you use abilities.
In other words. L2P
Over reaction here. The perplexity runes are easy to counter if you know how to play. Just don’t get interrupted.
I think the new torment runes look way more OP but i haven’t tested yet.
Wow, kingcracus and hugemistake, you`re pretty good at making clear you`re either new to the game or just terribad. You know, there are classes, that have casttimes on 95% of their skills, autoattack included.
Try duelling a decent perplexity interrupt mesmer, thief or engi (with instant, undisplayed and in some cases spamable interrupts) with such a class and please fraps your great play to show the world how easy it is to counter.
I bet you guys never leave the cozyness of your blob to actually do some pvp in wvw, judging by your posts this is the only possible explanation for so much ignorance and trashtalk.
Best regards
Wow, kingcracus and hugemistake, you`re pretty good at making clear you`re either new to the game or just terribad. You know, there are classes, that have casttimes on 95% of their skills, autoattack included.
Try duelling a decent perplexity interrupt mesmer, thief or engi (with instant, undisplayed and in some cases spamable interrupts) with such a class and please fraps your great play to show the world how easy it is to counter.
I bet you guys never leave the cozyness of your blob to actually do some pvp in wvw, judging by your posts this is the only possible explanation for so much ignorance and trashtalk.
Best regards
l2p
Yay, that`s what I expected. Trashtalk without backup. Did some teenager friend tell you it`s the cool thing to do on the internet?
Or is it you`re just some desperate perplexity user that knows his skills are underdeveloped and tries to justify abuse of the runes here?
I am amused.
Over reaction here. The perplexity runes are easy to counter if you know how to play. Just don’t get interrupted.
I think the new torment runes look way more OP but i haven’t tested yet.
What new torment runes?
Do you mean the new torment sigil?
Anet, I hope you don’t bother the runes. They are perfectly fine. No one I know has any issues with this in WvW. I know that I haven’t even seen a difference with since they were added. Perhaps most of the players taking issue with it, simply need a tutorial added to teach them to avoid skills that interrupt. Perhaps it will prevent them from simply spamming skills as a play style.
There are some really bad players in this game.
The promised change might have been the new Antitoxin Spray heal skill that removes confusion.
The promised change might have been the new Antitoxin Spray heal skill that removes confusion.
except that heals sucks in wvw and has long CD, i tried it out
my guildies are switching to those confusion runes, i see a lot of thieves with them now, 2 days ago i encountered hammer train consisting of hammer warriors abusing those runes as well…..what is next? let’s give them to tower/keep lords eh?
i don’t understand why anet is so obessed with confusion, it is really annoying and lame condi to deal with, especially if you are not warrior or guardian; in most cases it means you have to run or die; i am personally sick and tired of seeing every mob now using confusion and a lot of ppl abusing perplexity runes in wvw
the whole confusion train needs to stop already sigh
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