Guild Wars 2

the removal of white swords and other wvw changes for the seasonal period has just made me ask for a new game for a present, i already spend upto 15hrs a day in our BL just watching for white swords , as its a low wvw pop server its not remotely possible to have just 1 person in each keep nevermind the towers aswell and now you’re gonna make us just run around in circles all day looking for the blob that will appear looking for the freecaps and PPK from attacking it, it was already a thankless task but i enjoyed it as it meant my server could use the rest to fight and cap so we have better chance of winning against higher pop servers now it will just be a karma train blob fest for christmas, i wonder if they would be the ppl that shoot santa for breaking and entering when he’s delivering as they are so far from knowing what wvw needs im almost speachless, with the PPK aswel i would like to welcome everyone to blob wars version 1 where ppl will leave in droves and just got EOTM as the rewards are better for the same thing

Just some more incentives to find other games that provide fun rather then annoyances like removing white swords.

Removing white swords is something they can do in probably a few minutes. If it takes more than an hour I’d be surprised.

It is yet again the most minimal thing they can do for WvW, and a change NO ONE asked for! In fact when it was announced the forums were filled with players asking them who on earth gave them this idea!

They clearly are not listening, yet again. We have said we dont want this, yet they still want to test it out. You can already see what will happen, within a hour of this being implemented everyone will come on here demanding it to be undone immediately!

I believe the Dev’s wish for much higher property turn over in WvW. I do not agrre with removing white swords without provisions for scouting in place. Like having Crow’s Nest and signal flares/fires. This way maybe when a scout see’s something they interact with the fire and it pings the mini map and can be visually seen in the distance.

Beside white swords, I feel PPK is catering to a very small percentage of “fights only” guilds. More than likely it’ll push more players into EotM. Which is fine as it’s a fun game mode too.

I still think you people are too drastic…

Jeknar.6184:

I still think you people are too drastic…

I dont think so, PPK alone will get rid of what little fights are left.

“Oh look an enemy! There’s one more of them than us, run away dont let them get your points!”

Even now a bad zerg will still run away from a smaller better skilled group, especially after a couple of wipes from them already. PPK will just make them turn away with their tails between their legs, back to a tower and their dozon superior ACs.

I have over 1k skill point scrolls. Wanna guess how much superior siege I’ll be making over the next week?

This will be my anthem while raining death upon everyone
http://youtu.be/oavMtUWDBTM?t=1m46s

Didn’t a dev say they are keeping white swords

Edit: nm guess they are going too.. no more scouting for me..

John Corpening.9847:

Hello All,

There was quite a lot of discussion around the proposal of removing white swords from objectives in WvW. We understand there are concerns about how this change might work in practice or how player behavior may change as a result of it. We felt like the best way to understand fully the impact, and give players a chance to see for themselves how it directly changes the WvW experience is to let people try it and see what they think.

They may aswell just remove gates while they’re at it. Can’t wait to see how many people they’ll lose from the game when this patch goes live, I can tell you now, I’m done with anet and their stupid decisions. This just goes to show they couldn’t give a flying kitten about their game. I suppose I should thank them, I’ll no longer spend anymore money on gems, nor waste my time playing their game. GG anet.

LMAO..that tune with the thought of being sat on an AC is gonna keep me chuckling for days

Please don’t remove white swords Anet. That will only promote karma training and upgrading structures won’t be fun anymore

New wvw scenario:

1) Blob up an entire map queue (can’t let em have any kills)
2) Go to nearest keep/tower and drop siege (don’t even need superior as time is no longer important)
3) only use siege to hit tower/keep while everyone else chats about inane stuff on teamspeak (can’t let yourself get orange swords on gates afterall)
4) wait till gate/wall drops and kill lord
5) rinse and repeat, profit

EOTM mk2.

can’t we just wait and see what it does before we go all bonkers? Yeah it might suck but isn’t trying something different better than nothing? Ever wonder if all the over reactionary screaming on these boards might be why we don’t get a lot red tags around here? What is left to say to such a bitter distraught crowd? I know a lot of people have tried the reasonable approach for a good long awhile and felt they weren’t getting anywhere but I fail to see how all tantrum pitching helps at all at this point. ><

Yea let’s force people to engage into more boring, unrewarding activity. That’s what wvw is about.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

Removing white swords is something they can do in probably a few minutes. If it takes more than an hour I’d be surprised.

It is yet again the most minimal thing they can do for WvW, and a change NO ONE asked for! In fact when it was announced the forums were filled with players asking them who on earth gave them this idea!

They clearly are not listening, yet again. We have said we dont want this, yet they still want to test it out. You can already see what will happen, within a hour of this being implemented everyone will come on here demanding it to be undone immediately!

It was a change begged for in thread after thread after thread. Stop saying “WE”, you do not speak for anyone else, and to pretend you have the right to do so is extremely disingenuous.

It may well cause folks to spread out a bit and play more defensive. As well as requiring small teams to scout and defend till help arrives, instead of punishing sneaky, small groups.

I would hate to be A-NET… Don’t do something = they don’t care. Try something = they fail. No matter what they do or do not do they are doomed.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I would hate to be A-NET… Don’t do something = they don’t care. Try something = they fail. No matter what they do or do not do they are doomed.

3 CDL and they choose nothing to implement …. this is sure …. NOTHING from what players want and this is why they are failing . they are failing to embody our needs with their needs .

I appreciate your opinion on the matter, but it is all pure speculation. I was simply addressing the disingenuous claim that “No one asked for it”. If you desire to exclaim you refuse to play with the changes in place, well that is your business.

Even if the developers agree or not to remove white sword permanently, I think adding a different rule every week or month could make WvW more interesting.

We all want stuff added what this will take away tho is a big hit on roamers… this test should come with a free transfer since these rules are for stacked servers.

After playing in the Silverwastes the last few weeks, I think one of the most satisfying and awesome ideas was the addition of using a signal fire to call in air support. The effects are fantastic, the result is devastating to the attacking enemy, and then I remembered one small detail:

It was PvE.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

After playing in the Silverwastes the last few weeks, I think one of the most satisfying and awesome ideas was the addition of using a signal fire to call in air support. The effects are fantastic, the result is devastating to the attacking enemy, and then I remembered one small detail:

It was PvE.

There isn’t one single reason why this couldn’t be brought to WvW…

… and that the sad part. There is so much that could be done with WvW, but they don’t develop it.

It’s a Test…saying you’re aleady leaving cus of it is just weak imo.Wait and see how things turn out ? Im also not a fan of them removing white swords,but it has 2 sides…You as a small squad can have more time trying to ninja something.Yet a full blob can ninja grab a keep.The only thing that servers will need to start realizing is,Scouting will become even more important then it already was.Thus anet,how are you gonna reward the Scouters if this is a thing to stay ?

IDK what is the problem with trying something. If it doesn’t work for the majority it won’t stick. At least they do try. Seriously, no matter what they do they are doomed with people like us.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

IDK what is the problem with trying something. If it doesn’t work for the majority it won’t stick. At least they do try. Seriously, no matter what they do they are doomed with people like us.

It’s quite simple actually… Most of the people in these forums are tired of being ignored by “The powers that be” . (Not just wvw but pve players, because when they implement something that really sucks (NPE, Traits, Ghost wolf, gem exchange) they refuse to change it till they realize it will hurt them (gem exchange))

The wording doesn’t matter, unless they get every wvw player to complain about this it will be a permanent change. Even then they might ignore us in hopes of eventually being able to delete wvw sub forum.

Why would a WvW player complain about if it turns out they like it better, or are the ones asking for it?

No white swords in the lower tiers, that’ll kill em faster than they are already dying. Count me as one of those who will quit. PPK fine whatever, however it will still benefit the larger server in most cases as the bigger blob will kill MOST smaller groups.

coglin.1867:

Why would a WvW player complain about if it turns out they like it better, or are the ones asking for it?

If this was directed at me: I am simply saying that in order for them to change the rules back (or keep them out) they would need a massive community out break of complaints. (Something extremely unlikely to happen.)

Now that they are going with it, I believe we should test it before making further comment.

I find myself unable to believe our comments afterwards will matter at all.

The change is for too long. One week of test should be enought.

elkirin.8534:

Now that they are going with it, I believe we should test it before making further comment.

Anet has their own internal testing team But im not really sure if they are allowed to drink and test.

Honestly I was against having the white swords removed at first, though now, I think it’ll make smaller havoc teams more useful. It’ll also make scouters for server more wanted as well, as well as organization/communication of wvw’ers on servers.

I actually makes karma-trains less viable…

and scouts could form up to a guild and charge a price for their service…
just a thought^^

Arantheal.7396:

I actually makes karma-trains less viable…

and scouts could form up to a guild and charge a price for their service…
just a thought^^

Good luck retiring on the profits, just saying.

So yeah they want us to test this. How is Anet going to get the test results, poll on this forum or ingame?

Ok, at first I was against this, but now I think it will be a nice change, (I play on gunnars hold). Anyhow, I personally think this will be a cool change, it will allow us to compete with the bigger servers we face because, as soon as white swords appear you get blob raining down on your 5 man havoc squad, and as a result you got 0 chance of ninjaing t3 towers/other things.

Personally I think you are all stomping your feet and being ungrateful for them finally starting to implement new things for wvw, sure it may only be a small change now but it gets the ball rolling. So instead of being ungrateful and blissfully ignorant about a change that has yet to be implemented into the game, why don’t you play it when the feature becomes live and then make a judgement based on experience, as opposed to being like this on a forum. It’s odd that when our game mode finally gets some well deserved attention, you guys try to ruin it by insulting the people responsible for the content of said mode.

VaaCrow.3076:

Ok, at first I was against this, but now I think it will be a nice change, (I play on gunnars hold). Anyhow, I personally think this will be a cool change, it will allow us to compete with the bigger servers we face because, as soon as white swords appear you get blob raining down on your 5 man havoc squad, and as a result you got 0 chance of ninjaing t3 towers/other things.

Personally I think you are all stomping your feet and being ungrateful for them finally starting to implement new things for wvw, sure it may only be a small change now but it gets the ball rolling. So instead of being ungrateful and blissfully ignorant about a change that has yet to be implemented into the game, why don’t you play it when the feature becomes live and then make a judgement based on experience, as opposed to being like this on a forum. It’s odd that when our game mode finally gets some well deserved attention, you guys try to ruin it by insulting the people responsible for the content of said mode.

The problem with that thought process is this: We have 5 people, they have 15. Soloing/Duoing towers just became 100% easier. So if we split up into 2 groups (2 and 3) we can take two towers at a time which is good and anti zerg. However their group of 15 can still take 3 towers in the time that we took two (because they have the resources to drop 3 rams at each tower) So yes you now have a chance to ninja T3 towers/keeps, but don’t pretend it will give you a fair fighting chance against a bigger server, it’ll give you (the player) the benefit, however not your server, unless you took those towers within 5 minutes of the point tick it’ll do nothing for your server).

“Well deserved attention”~ It’s fairly common knowledge that this change came from the “Adopt a Dev” program, and instead of giving us the time of day to address server imbalance for lower tier servers, all they did was encourage T1 blobbing. As for stomping our feet over a change, most people are happy about the PPK, it’s the white swords that just seem dumb and punishing towards small servers. (I can count on one hand the times this week where I haven’t been the only person on my server’s home BL, and yet the solution to this new problem is “having scouts and people watching the towers/keeps”)

Side comment: did anyone else pick up on the fact that these rules are going to exist for roughly 30 days (Dec. 16th- to roughly mid January). Which means we have 16 days to be kittened before the posts most commonly visited will be pushed into “necro” territory?

VaaCrow.3076:

Ok, at first I was against this, but now I think it will be a nice change, (I play on gunnars hold). Anyhow, I personally think this will be a cool change, it will allow us to compete with the bigger servers we face because, as soon as white swords appear you get blob raining down on your 5 man havoc squad, and as a result you got 0 chance of ninjaing t3 towers/other things.

The bigger server will have more scouts, therefore they will totally karma train you while your 5 man havoc squad will try to take 1 tower, and they will probably still get to you in time.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I would hate to be A-NET… Don’t do something = they don’t care. Try something = they fail. No matter what they do or do not do they are doomed.

No, Anet’s not doomed if they don’t half-kitten their approach to WvW changes. If they were going to give scouters tools, like flares or air support as some people have mentioned. And also implement a reward system for scouting…. say if you’re a scout and you set off a flare for a structure that gets attacked within 300 seconds and it’s ultimately defended successfully, then, as the scout, you get a reward chest. Now we’re talking!

Anet’s only doomed because they said they’re planning on doing what I see as essentially taking one of the tires off the car then trying to run it around the track to see if it’ll get a better lap time! That’s just madness! And so is what Anet’s looking to do with no-white swords without adding scouting tools and a proper reward system.

Anet, don’t half-kitten it!

/throws mic down!

Lol I think you people are forgetting some things, PPK is an attempt at catering to people like myself who like to fight only, to feel their efforts are being recorded in the PPT. If it turns out that PPT still isnt a good representation of that, they will not stop fighting they will simply go back to not caring about PPT which was the case in the first place.

Also, to be fair this is exactly what we asked for.. for any new changes to be tested for a couple of weeks or so rather than being implemented out of the blue, seriously its just a couple of weeks and we’ve been playing this game for a couple of years. Besides it’ll be nice to have a change for a while just to see how it turns out.

Anet should hire this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tooY9nLezL0
to prevent bad changes like these.

Any change to wvw is good.
And remember its temporary

These changes are disgusting.

PPK promotes passive play and is overly-punishing to new players which only raises the toxicity in the WvW environment by condemning death/trying to fight and learn.

Bonus PPK for finishers – Seriously? You’re demeaning an entire game mode people drop HUGE investments into by making it P2W? SERIOUSLY?

No swords – Are you nuts? All this does is promote bunkering/camping zones to keep eyes on a given blob or group versus actually doing something. Organized groups now have to be focused on defending/keeping an eye out for attackers instead of being able to use the map to get pseudo-scouting. This is an attempt to promote aggressive small-scale play and ultimately the countermeasures needed to defend against it are going to punish it in reality.

I’m absolutely disgusted by the total lack of insight they’ve presented. Yes it’s temporary, but I can say that I will be resigning from WvW for that period because simply it’s why I play the game and I refuse to support joke “events” which modify the actual core mechanics of the game negatively created and designed in poor taste.

The lack of swords promotes smaller scale groups to be able to attack objectives without having a huge blob rain down on them, unless the enemy sets scouts in locations to defend. Any server who has a lot of dedicated wvw’ers already know the importance of scouts, and not waiting on swords to pop, due to many groups attacking a location and 30seconds being in it by the time a sizeable force is set to respond, unless a scout calls over voice comms the enemy, #, and if the enemy is dedicated with siege or not. (Also those scouting do know how to divert most the attacks by use of siege to defend with.)

Now what the swords removal does is havoc groups who run 5-10 deep, will have a chance to attack a location which has no scouts and not have a group of 30-40 run in on them. So it is promoting smaller groups (most refer to as havoc.) into running around on maps, and giving them more of a chance to get into a tower/keep if the enemy doesn’t set scouts.

As for finishers, you have a free one by default. (So it doesn’t force people to buy one.) You really just buy them if you don’t want the standard finisher. (Or you can earn them in game.)

As for PPK, this is something which interests me. I am curious to find out if PPK includes counting those who alt+f4 once downed.

• PPK will make nobody ever run an uplevel anymore… Goodbye easy kills
• Removing white swords will make it impossible to find any fights… Goodbye WvW

Sirendor.1394:

• Removing white swords will make it impossible to find any fights… Goodbye WvW

Not true, you just need to have scouts at towers and important paths.

Preferably a thief so they can stealth and follow them a little, but these scouts will have to spend all their time scouting or patrolling an area, nothing more.

So it’s a good thing that they will be handsomely rewarded for such an important task…….

Only good thing I see coming out of the removal of white swords is I’ll be saving a lot of gold this month because I won’t be upgrading kitten

Wasn’t the whole point behind EotM was to test questionable game decisions?

Atherakhia.4086:

Wasn’t the whole point behind EotM was to test questionable game decisions?

And how they are suposed to make WvW tests on EotM if WvW players hate EotM with passion and never step in there?

Also the players that turned EotM on K-train won’t help with any testing as all they want is their phat lewts.