Guild Wars 2

Ranelso.9765:

I don’t know if the devs are still tracking this tread but there have been some interesting points brought up thus far and I would like to throw in my own two cents in the off chance that someone might agree. I think, for the most part, we can all agree that the new system isn’t really living up to its expectations. Whether or not it his helping has yet to be determined.

As someone who is on Desolation … the new system is the same as the old. Just look at the matchups for the last 6 months. Oh and yes I do remember when the situation was in the other direction. That wasn’t much fun either. You log in and then there was nothing to do.

Actually the new system is worse. At least in the old system there was still a chance(even if it was infinitesimal) of getting away from the stacked server.

Ranelso.9765:

Now these transfers need to be done differently than they were in the past. The population truly does need to be split up into WvW population and everything else. So players can see a total server population and a WvW population before transferring. And I don’t mean Full, High, Medium, and Low. That’s some pretty useless info right there. I want numbers. Just try to be accurate to two or three sig figs. Come on, you can figure that one out.

Free transfers can go both ways. It can help with balancing or make the stacking even worse. Are you sure you want to gamble with that? What is the incentive for someone to transfer? A reset isn’t likely to change anything either. If you have the numbers now you’ll still have the number after reset as long as you stay put.

What’s hilarious is that last week Piken was launched into Tier 1, as a 9th seed server facing second and fourth seed servers. Most of map chat wasn’t “oh this is terrible!” but more “oh yay! more fights! this is awesome!”

And we seem to be bad luck for any second seed server. At the end of every week they seem to lose a ranking and another server steps into second spot.

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

Chris.3290:

DH seems to be on an upswing but you’ll be seeing things like the rest of us if you draw one or two T3 servers on Friday.

idk what the whole point thing is about o.0 but i hope we do. Will we get crushed by people that can full all 4 maps for 24/7 heeeeelllll yeah. but the mere thought of 320 targets at my disposal….oh makes my mouth water.

I only request that you know that…. my milkshake brings all the girls to the yard and that acknowledge its better than yours

Jayne.9251:

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

^^^^^^^^ thats the spirit people need not this whole what tier or win/lose crap

Just because someone is enjoying their EU server mumble mumble mumble… :x

Jayne.9251:

What’s hilarious is that last week Piken was launched into Tier 1, as a 9th seed server facing second and fourth seed servers. Most of map chat wasn’t “oh this is terrible!” but more “oh yay! more fights! this is awesome!”

And we seem to be bad luck for any second seed server. At the end of every week they seem to lose a ranking and another server steps into second spot.

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

have you ever been against vizunah? i hope u get the opportunity to see “fights” from rank1 server:P

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

Jayne.9251:

What’s hilarious is that last week Piken was launched into Tier 1, as a 9th seed server facing second and fourth seed servers. Most of map chat wasn’t “oh this is terrible!” but more “oh yay! more fights! this is awesome!”

And we seem to be bad luck for any second seed server. At the end of every week they seem to lose a ranking and another server steps into second spot.

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

have you ever been against vizunah? i hope u get the opportunity to see “fights” from rank1 server:P

I’m actually looking forward to it. I’ve been in fights with T1 NA servers, so I’m curious as to how they compare. Plus WvW is about the fights, right? No reason to complain when you have an abundance of choices, lol. Plus I think being the underdog only improves your skill, and makes you work harder.

Challenge is good. Victories taste sweeter when you’re outmanned and you win.

Also Coral: <3

Jayne.9251:

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

Jayne.9251:

What’s hilarious is that last week Piken was launched into Tier 1, as a 9th seed server facing second and fourth seed servers. Most of map chat wasn’t “oh this is terrible!” but more “oh yay! more fights! this is awesome!”

And we seem to be bad luck for any second seed server. At the end of every week they seem to lose a ranking and another server steps into second spot.

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

have you ever been against vizunah? i hope u get the opportunity to see “fights” from rank1 server:P

I’m actually looking forward to it. I’ve been in fights with T1 NA servers, so I’m curious as to how they compare. Plus WvW is about the fights, right? No reason to complain when you have an abundance of choices, lol. Plus I think being the underdog only improves your skill, and makes you work harder.

Challenge is good. Victories taste sweeter when you’re outmanned and you win.

Also Coral: <3

u completely missed the sarcasm in his post.. Vizunah “Fighting”.. boy wont that be a sight to see!!!!!!!!!!!

Jayne.9251:

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

Jayne.9251:

What’s hilarious is that last week Piken was launched into Tier 1, as a 9th seed server facing second and fourth seed servers. Most of map chat wasn’t “oh this is terrible!” but more “oh yay! more fights! this is awesome!”

And we seem to be bad luck for any second seed server. At the end of every week they seem to lose a ranking and another server steps into second spot.

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

have you ever been against vizunah? i hope u get the opportunity to see “fights” from rank1 server:P

I’m actually looking forward to it. I’ve been in fights with T1 NA servers, so I’m curious as to how they compare. Plus WvW is about the fights, right? No reason to complain when you have an abundance of choices, lol. Plus I think being the underdog only improves your skill, and makes you work harder.

Challenge is good. Victories taste sweeter when you’re outmanned and you win.

Also Coral: <3

you will enjoy it, if you enjoy pvd under 5 superior AC fire. other that that, you wont even know there are players on the map.

oh, yeah… the skill lag also lets you know you are in 1km distance of vizunah zerg. in that case you might also enjoy pvd under 5 superior AC fire autoatack:)

be careful what you wish for.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

Jayne.9251:

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

Jayne.9251:

What’s hilarious is that last week Piken was launched into Tier 1, as a 9th seed server facing second and fourth seed servers. Most of map chat wasn’t “oh this is terrible!” but more “oh yay! more fights! this is awesome!”

And we seem to be bad luck for any second seed server. At the end of every week they seem to lose a ranking and another server steps into second spot.

I think if you go into it about the fights and not about winning, the game becomes all that more enjoyable, and you actually start to make a dent.

have you ever been against vizunah? i hope u get the opportunity to see “fights” from rank1 server:P

I’m actually looking forward to it. I’ve been in fights with T1 NA servers, so I’m curious as to how they compare. Plus WvW is about the fights, right? No reason to complain when you have an abundance of choices, lol. Plus I think being the underdog only improves your skill, and makes you work harder.

Challenge is good. Victories taste sweeter when you’re outmanned and you win.

Also Coral: <3

you will enjoy it, if you enjoy pvd under 5 superior AC fire. other that that, you wont even know there are players on the map.

oh, yeah… the skill lag also lets you know you are in 1km distance of vizunah zerg. in that case you might also enjoy pvd under 5 superior AC fire autoatack:)

be careful what you wish for.

Ah lol, War Machine used to be this way. Your computer screen would start to stutter before they removed culling, and then you’d be face down in the dirt with thundering hooves over your back, never having seen them hit you in the first place, haha. With culling removed, the visual stutter is a great tool, actually, and a detriment to the server with it, because you can yell out advance warning and reliably predict where they’ll hit next.

As for the ACs, oh I have sneaky ways of countering those … /nod.

I guess my original point, before we derailed into reminiscing, was that people I think are looking at this the wrong way. Sure there’s server pride involved with winning, but when that’s all the focus becomes, the joy of WvW slowly gets drained and it becomes more like a second job. Get out there for the fights. Ignore the score. WvW is about challenging you to improve, and you can’t do that hiding in towers or keeps, or complaining about who you’re up against. Just pick who you want to hit, give it your best shot, and walk away laughing.

Edited to add: Mr. Zilla, if we get them, I shall dance around the base of their towers, throwing cookies into the air, and taunt them until they come out and try to kill me. Then I’ll invite them swimming (cue Jaws music).

tbh i was hoping deso would get piken this week, because i really like your style on forum and think it would be a fun matchup…

you know what happened next

Eh tomorrow is another day dear Petrica. Keep hope alive Reset tomorrow.

Jayne.9251:

As for the ACs, oh I have sneaky ways of countering those … /nod.

when the ac’s blot out the sun he will…

echo.2053:

Jayne.9251:

As for the ACs, oh I have sneaky ways of countering those … /nod.

when the ac’s blot out the sun he will…

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Fight in the shade!!!! sorry mate couldn’t resist giving out your secret :P

Haha, something like that.

*looks innocent.

The Ballad of Jayne

Jayne, the man they call Jayne

He capp’ed from the zerg
And he repaired the doors
Stood up to the zerg
And gave them what for
Our love for him now
Ain’t hard to explain
The hero of Piken
The man they call Jayne

;)

But .. but .. I’m a girl

Also, I’ve had this name in various MMOs WAAAY before all that silly Firefly stuff.

Still being a masochist Coral?

You Bet’cha! /cry

up 1 down 1. lets do it.

Jayne.9251:

Get out there for the fights. Ignore the score. WvW is about challenging you to improve, and you can’t do that hiding in towers or keeps, or complaining about who you’re up against. Just pick who you want to hit, give it your best shot, and walk away laughing.

Of course it isn’t about the score. But when you’re a server with a daytime population of 30-40 per map facing a server with a daytime population of 70-80 per map, it’s difficult for the fights to be fun. The old system, with servers facing skill-matched opponents, was far more enjoyable than this kitten-brained mess.

Break off 10 of those 30-40 and have them go ninja stuff while your main Zerg acts as a distraction. Have a few of your solo roamers knock on doors all over the map, splitting up their 80 even more. Get four man teams to build catas and test response times. If nobody answers, have them break down the gate, then leave and do it at another spot, draining that tower or keep’s supply as the enemy rushes to repair. Control enemy supply with supply traps and camp flipping. When you do amass forces, taking a paper tower that’s been denied supply all day, thanks to your day crew, is much easier than trying to flip T3 towers/keeps.

I have capped Hills with five people several times when I was in a tier two NA match.. I’m not saying this to brag, I’m saying being creative can sometimes pay off. I also capped NE tower on reset night in that same tier with 4 people and two 60 man zergs on the map (i know some talented folks who do this with only two players). More recently I solo ran supply from north camp on reset to a cata I’d placed by garrison wall and got it down. The rest of our crew had the enemy so occupied it allowed me the time to do this sneaky siege build. Bloated servers tend to get lazy if the week is too lopsided, and many players will expect someone else to go check out the white swords, meaning you’d be surprised with what you can get away with sometimes.

There’s a very stubborn and talented crew on Baruch who run maybe eight max. If they are on the map and you see white swords, even if you’re speedy as heck, they’ll have got the gate down to 40% by the time those white swords pop and you run to check, lol. And even if they get wiped, they just try another spot, lol.

I spend the bulk of my time solo roaming/scouting in WvW. Fighting in a big group is fun, but capping something or wreaking havoc with smaller numbers is more fun for me.

My point is, be creative. Use the bodies you do have to make your enemy pull their hair out over you. Then stake them when you run into them with reasonable numbers …. Like when a few are running to check on the solo door knocker.

No system dont work because of RNG. It is so easy.
You have almost all servers stacked between 1000-2000 points of rating.
And RNG will do 200 points or more (Kodash+FSR, YB+DB is actually 400 points difference)

I would just like to congratulate Desolation Commanders and players for the control of our own borderland at least, vs No1 Vizunah Square this week.We cannot cover all maps at once like them.But it has been amazing to see what we have finally managed to bring to the table of defense of our own homeland.

Usually it has been step outside the citadel and watch our two enemies fight each other under our own noises.Which sends players to the exit or to stand motionless not knowing which direction to go in.

We even managed to hold our own garrison for a few whole days,which forced Viz to bring in a 40 player zerg at 1.25am to finally claim it, while we had a skeleton force patrolling down south.Classy.

Once you can get out of the downward spiral of being steamrolled every week,your server can hopefully gain confidence and start to build in number.We cannot win the War vs a server like Viz,but we can bloody their noses when we stand toe to toe with them.

Lets just hope we can continue to build on this week with a different match up which hopefully for once doesn’t include Viz.

T- 2.5 hours; GL EU!

Not again Anet. Why do you punish us? What we did to you?

Actually, looks like some sanity for the EU folks. Riverside and Dzagonur look like they got bent over proper (especially Dzagonur which is much farther from Gandara than Riverside is from Vizunah.)
RoF is a bit lopsided as well, but fighting up 6 spots in EU seems the norm.

Outside of the lower tiers, Dzagonur was the only one to get matched up with a server >300 rank points away.

Of course that’s the same difference as last weeks’ worst case which was BP vs EB and BP beat EB so maybe it’s worse on the ground than it looks.

For the record, the reason this matchup system generally stinks (it cannot account for server collapses and changes in the servers that benefit (AR implodes, DH and BP gain considerably) is that any server that faces one 200 pts or more different is typically in for a facestomp. The range in matchups is as high as 450pts I believe.

For instances: TC is only 150 pts behind SoR; but would get completely face-planted if facing them.
SoS can’t beat DB (just under 200pts ahead) but CD can’t beat SoSwhich is only 80 pts ahead of them.

Once KN finishes it’s decent (its’ taken so long BECAUSE of this system) and BP/DH get to decide who moves up; things will have shaken out to the point where we’re just punishing people for not spending more time buying different colored kites.

I haven’t had time to buy even 1 kite yet.

I ran the numbers using half as much randomization (0.5,20.0) rather than (1.0,40.0) and the matchups aren’t terrible. still a fair amount of variation, just less than now is all.

although, SoR and BG end up playing each other a lot more often (like, 19 games out of 20), which means that JQ and TC end up with a very low likelihood of facing each other because one or the other almost always gets dragged into the SoR+BG match. this is exactly the same as what’s happening to BT and WSR in EU right now, due to one or the other getting dragged into the FoW+Vabbi match so they rarely get to play each other.

-ken

I would like to see TC get a match with JQ, without another T1 involved. I’m thinking that JQ is smelling pretty desperate and a little shaken lately; a loss to TC might just cause a server implosion.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t say this because I wish ill will on JQ; but TC is too big for T2 and it’s messing up the mojo in T2 and T3.
JQ will retain enough die-hards to be competitive for T2, which is really the Cinderella Story outcome I’m hoping for.

As for the rest of NA, I think EBay and BP are destined for each other in T4, with YB acting as the therapist for couples therapy.

SoS and CD have a healthy rivalry that is only getting better as both of us gain people and CD is learning all our bad habits; and both of us are happy to take Mag’s swag and dump it in the lake.

DH seems poised to be the kings of T5 with SBI. KN seems ready to settle there too.

With AR about to drop to T8 we’re closer than ever to WvW stability for NA

I wish Riverside had a single week with at least one server ranked less than us.
Week 26: as 10th vs place 3 & 8
Week 27: as 9th vs place 1 & 6
Week 28: as 9th vs place 3 & 4
this Week: as 9th vs place 1 & 3

Really enjoyed facing Piken Square on Desolation BL last night.I actually had to switch on my brain after so many weeks of facing Vizunah. Salute to the Golden Horde Guild who were absolutely relentless with their attack and tactics.

Desolation finally have a decent match up it seems with Piken & Kodash.

cephiroth.6182:

I wish Riverside had a single week with at least one server ranked less than us.
Week 26: as 10th vs place 3 & 8
Week 27: as 9th vs place 1 & 6
Week 28: as 9th vs place 3 & 4
this Week: as 9th vs place 1 & 3

Yea it would be nice to finally get a matchup with at least a little chance of winning.
It’s really frustrating to know right at reset that you have no chance at getting first and probably not even second. Oh and being blue the 6th week in a row also feels like a bad joke..

Btw. look at the earlier weeks with the new matchmaking system:
Week 25: as 10th vs place 16 & 17
Week 24: as 10th vs place 2 & 11
Week 23: as 8th vs place 14 & 15
Week 22: as 10th vs place 8 & 20

There was not a single balanced matchup!!
In every matchup was at least one server without any chance at placing first and in half of the matchups the winning server was predetermined. This new system really failed in the current state. You do fight different enemies, but the outcome of a match is not open.

Playing against servers way out of your tier SOMETIMES is a nice thing, but currently it happens like all the time and that is not fun anymore.

These matchups are getting ridiculous. It’s getting to the point we are losing players in WvW because they are so insanely stupid.

EB has been tromped the last two weeks and this week is starting out the exact same.

ANet, you do realize this is a major problem that if it continues to wait to be fixed is going to continue costing us players. Come on…..

Another week of idiotic matchups – another week without an update from the idiotic dev? Well, we’re heading 1k replies (biggest WvW thread in history?), maybe finally hitting that mark will give that troll a reason to crawl out of his cave and re-ensure us his new system is working like charm and doesn’t need any adjustments whatsoever. kittening kitten.

Earlier in this thread, I published a screenie of CD decimating the matchup by having the entire EB within 12 hours after reset. Last week it was TC doing the same thing.

And this week, with SoS, it is so much better 12 hours after matchup:

This is to the point of being pathetic.

I’m just confused of why the more we win, the lower tier we fight.
“You beat HoD 3 weeks in a row? Meet your new competitors… HoD!”
“You beat IoJ (19), well try DR (20!)”
“DR too easy? Try FC! (23)”

NA T1 and T2 are looking pretty good this week, though. JQ/TC/DB swapping that 3rd spot in tier 1 seems like it would make for decent matches, certainly better than mixing T3 and below servers with the T2 ones.

ykyk.2740:

NA T1 and T2 are looking pretty good this week, though. JQ/TC/DB swapping that 3rd spot in tier 1 seems like it would make for decent matches, certainly better than mixing T3 and below servers with the T2 ones.

Yes. It’s about time that changes and random finally takes some effects. It was getting to be too repetitive. Finally Anet woke up a little to randomize it. Would be good to see some rotations between tier 2 groups such as JQ/DB/FA/TC… I see only 2 servers that has enough coverage to be called Tier 1 at this time.

Is it really so bad?
For months and months it was the same matchups week after week.
If you were the 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th ranked servers it was hard to get out of the spiral of constantly losing. At least now with variety you never really know what the matchup will be. Sure there will be some lopsided victories and defeats, it’s not like there wasn’t before the change. It’s nice seeing some different servers to fight to be honest.

SOME lopsided victories and defeats? Look at MOS at matchup history in EU. There are too little balanced matchups. I counted 2 balanced matchup a week. Does it sound balanced?
This week, hopefully there will be at least one balanced matchup. Piken Square vs Desolation vs Kodash. Guys in that matchup, correct me if I am wrong.
If I am, there will be zero balanced matchups.

The previous ‘perfectly’ balanced matchups were getting stale. Balanced or not, nobody wants to see the exact same two opposition servers every single week.
I’m sure the number 6 ranked server doesn’t mind seeing the odd 1 or 2 in place of seeing 4 and 5 every single week. 6 will at least get the opportunity to get some lower ranked opposition once in a while.
There will be some blowouts, does it really matter? You don’t get anything for winning.
Nobody will be happy unless they’re winning all the time. And since 66% of the time the average player will be on the losing end, unless you play on Blackgate or VS, it doesn’t surprise me to see all the complaints.
I’ll take the odd mismatch anyday to have the ability to fight against different servers.
It’s not as if losing to a much higher ranked opponent affects your ranking much with the Glicko system.

Shonie.5297:

There will be some blowouts, does it really matter? You don’t get anything for winning.

This is not true. If you are winning, your score (= wvw bonus) is probably higher than if you are losing and certainly a lot higher than if you are being stomped by two higher tier servers.
Besides that, you usually play games to win, don’t you? If you don’t even have a chance to win over a longer a time, the fun is certainly decreased.

Donner.6293:

Shonie.5297:

There will be some blowouts, does it really matter? You don’t get anything for winning.

This is not true. If you are winning, your score (= wvw bonus) is probably higher than if you are losing and certainly a lot higher than if you are being stomped by two higher tier servers.
Besides that, you usually play games to win, don’t you? If you don’t even have a chance to win over a longer a time, the fun is certainly decreased.

Well, the 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, etc rank teams now have chance to win sometimes.
Would JQ have had a chance to win this week, or next week, or the week after that, or the week after that?
Would FA beat TC or DB anytime in the next 2 months? Or do you think JQ and FA enjoy the opportunity to play some different opponents?
I would imagine most of the complaining comes from the servers ranked 4, 7, 10, 13… Etc who no longer enjoy crushing the 2 servers ranked beneath them week after week.
It was the same 5 or 6 servers winning every single week.
This system gives more servers a chance at winning once in a while instead of being the loser on a predetermined color week after week.

Lillie.9106:

I think it’s safe to say 2 of the biggest complaints about WvW are:

“I’m tired of getting facerolled when our outnumbered server faces one that is stacked”
“I’m tired of playing the same kittening servers every week”

Once you fix the first, you fix the second. This really isn’t that difficult to fix either through server merges, and it’s been done with success in other MMOs that have faced the same issue. That, or incentivizing players to move to lower pop servers would help, but I see the exact opposite of that going on right now. When it costs an arm and a leg to move off your server, everyone digs in their heels. I don’t blame them.

I’m not sure why people are saying constructive and feasible suggestions haven’t been provided – I’m not the only one who’s said this. The fact that this could get done relatively easily and it hasn’t been yet tells me it’s not high on ANet’s priority list, nor will it be so long as they’re getting revenue in other ways.

This is my problem with WvW, why I burned out so early in the game, and why I have a hard time getting back into it. There needs to be a cap preventing the borderlands from becoming so one sided. Give the dominating server a que that won’t let new people in until the other 2 teams have more players. This would also alleviate the problem of server stacking. After that happens? You will play new servers more frequently, and the matches wont be one sided.

I decided to play WvW for the first time today in many months. My guild is on FA. We wen’t around trying to get back our home borderland, but JQ just out numbers us horribly. There are just too many invaders. It’s hard to form a strategy against a server that has 3x the coverage. Back in the day you could gank Orbs of Power and possibly have a chance as the last placed server. But unfortunately we’re stuck with Outnumbered, which doesn’t help you one bit when you’re getting rolled.

I was thinking, do we really need 3 borderlands maps?
Aside from the top few servers, none of the servers field enough people to even fill EB plus 1 of the borderlands maps.
I think matches across all tiers and all servers would benefit from 1 borderlands map. Honestly… 2 of the maps need breakouts since there’s never enough people.
Cutting out 2 borderlands maps would be beneficial I think.

After 6+ months of unfair match ups, Desolation finally got their dream matchup: Deso vs Piken Square vs Kodash. EU rank #6 vs 7 vs 8. So far the match up has been even and interesting. I know Desolation is strongest during weekend, but I have also heard Piken is really strong during the weekdays, especially weekday evenings, so I am anticipating a very close match up.

Piken has a lot of ex-Desolation guilds, so here is my “hi” to them as well.

well, before i quit this game, just wanna say something good in this forum
1. Thanks for destroying Anvil Rock
2. Thanks for wasting my $60 (my salary only $100 per month)
3. Thanks for the stupid update of WvW
4. Thanks for being “don’t care a single thing” about WvW

Now just answer my question, many ppl already post their complain here but why? Im out of words, even the fall of FFXIV is even better than this, me and my friends find this situation really hurt deep. Maybe you are enjoying hot sun in Ibiza while do nothing about the game, btw thanks for being nothing, feel sorry for the rest of Anvil Rock

I have been really frustrated at times by being outclassed by other servers. Now I know many FA people will not like me to imply that TC is better lol. But we all know they are good.

I remember one night on FA when TC had our entire borderland and then they set up trebs at the spawn to the northern camp and lobbed rotten cows at us and when ever we came out slaughtered us. I was so angry- raging really.

This week we have TC and JQ. When it is unbalanced I think our idea of success has to become any little thing you can accomplish despite the odds. And we should celebrate the little victories. I think if we can have that mindset instead of constant focus on the fairness of the match it brings the fun back. Sometimes what you see when you are outclassed and loosing is players just becoming hypercritical of the each other and total frustration.

What I was really glad to see yesterday when we lost some hard fought real estate was that the FA commanders really said “good job” to everyone even though we didn’t win the objective. We did as good as we could at the time.

Another horrible matchup this week… Desolation, Piken Square and Kodash.

Desolation with 2x the numbers of both Kodash and Piken Square, not to mention them having usually 80-90% of all the borderlands. Fair? I think not.

i remember the first hours of the actual matchup. most of us used the f word frequent because your numbers :p
and im sad. finaly a cycle without vizu and i cant play
maybe not the servercursed just i. (ranger from deso)

rank 7 against #13? Yeah, BP is having a grand old time….

Let me add the caveats that BP is better than their rank (they are realistically #11) and EB has lost two of it’s largest guilds (they couldn’t hack losing to BP.)

Either way, every week for us has been a curbstomp, 6 on us, 2 on others (though CD fought really hard that one week!)

NSP 25k points above FC and 10k above HoD.. its completely boring. Sticking to PvE for this week.