Guild Wars 2

How about something really simple, first remove the server capacity limits. Next, have a free transfer week and let the players work it out. Also, uncork the waiting period restriction on when you can enter WvW. These restrictions and limitations are stifling players capacity to fix this themselves. There has to be a post season shuffle and there has to be one REAL SOON!!! I don’t think the Dev’s realize how salty players are right now.

I’d imagine if transferring was unrestricted plenty of guilds would have fun bouncing around just to GvG for the week. Which isn’t this what the game is for, to enjoy playing???

btw.. for trying to get enough players to fill 24 worlds, that’s not likely to happen until Gw3. Just face the facts, it’s time to scale back on how far we’re being divided.

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Posted by: Arantheal.7396

Arantheal.7396

gonna repost my last post from this thread since it’s topic-related:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Server-merge-for-low-populated-servers/first#post4485416

I’m from the same server as filovirus – RoS.
Why does RoS complain about the current situation?
Because we have exactly 2 types of MU’s:
1. Being matched against millers/RoF, which results in only prime being playable, everything else is a blobb-fest to downgrade everything we have.
2. Being matched against the rest of bronze, which results in steamrolling against them and 100% PPT, sometimes even during prime.
And both is boring.
Do I personally want to be merged with other servers?
Nope.
>but why anon, it would be the perfect solution.
No it wouldn’t. Why? Because the servers have really different Identities. Blacktide for example is the unofficial polish EU Server. Would I like polish mapchat-spam? Would they like english mapchat-spam? Then we have guilds that were accused of hacking, most hated for it and suddenly they are sitting in the same boat?! There is no better way to alienate a community but to merge it with another, incompatible one.
My solution: Delete WvW or keep it that way and simply offer new game-modes.
Not even kidding. This game-mode is so utterly broken and imbalanced that it is actually a slap in the face to create competitive seasons based on it. Plus we have a mega-server anyways, destroying the identity of the previous servers most effectively already.
So, since we got rid of the old WvW-Server-System, a-net could focus on delivering competitive battlegrounds.
F.E.:
- 20 vs 20 matches on a small map with 3 towers and 2 keeps, accessible for random groups or as GvG invitation. After 2h the match is over and the winner gets a reward-chest for the whole group, while the loser at least gets some WvW-xp and karma as well.
-EB, accessible in EotM style. Participants choose a color / get assigned with a color automatically and randomly, and get dropped on a random instance of the map.
-The Old borderlands, re-designed as Guild-property with customizable and upgradeable citadel, the whole map can be purchased with influence for the guild and leaders (everybody with the correct guild-rights) has the option to sign the whole map up in a global list of accessible “guild-borderlands” for allowing random players on the map, that queued up themselves on the list. Once assigned, it must stay open for 6h until it can be closed again. Delete the Siege-timer for this borderland, also give them the option to invite other guilds specifically to organize private, “uphill” GvG’s. to prevent the spam of thousands of inactive maps, let guilds pay a monthly fee, be it influence, merits or gold.
-For competitive Seasons, don’t use the old 24/7 model anymore, but allow guilds / signed up teams of people to participate in a 20v20 tournament, going 2 per match, swiss style. The tournament of legends was awesome, so stick to what you can a-net: small-scale, highly polished content.
Ty
(and yes, I know my ideas are work-heavy and we will most likely never see them, but maybe a friendly mod could forward them to a project manager for consideration anyways.)

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Posted by: DeWolfe.2174

But it’s a whole other game.

Arantheal.7396:
20v20

I don’t WvW to play with small numbers. I play the game for large scale combat. You basically just asked for WvW to be replaced with GvG. No thank you to that!

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Posted by: Svarty.8019

Svarty.8019

The game mode needs a rethink from the ground up.

Worlds are a poor idea to begin with,
Scores are a poor idea

I’d suggest making a persistent map where territory is the objective.

Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.

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Posted by: Dayra.7405

Dayra.7405

DeWolfe.2174:
How about something really simple, first remove the server capacity limits. .

T1 still want more player?
Here is a better Way:

Count how many People Play at primetime, determine how many Server would be needed to fit them with slight Queue.
determine the Nummer of player-hours per Server and the mean and how much each Server deviate from that mean (e.g. ET -80%, BG +50%)
Set the max Population to 110% of mean. (Full if above)
delete the Server that deviate most from mean, the player get a free transfer.
server that have 90%-110% pop are as today.
server that have below 90% have double drops, exp, WEXP, karama
server that have above 110% have half drops, exp, WEXP, karama
set all transfer prices to 500.

Ceterum censeo SFR esse delendam!

(edited 2014-10-14 13:47:17 by Dayra.7405)

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Posted by: Krakah.3582

Krakah.3582

yanniell.1236:
In all seriousness, just merge the kitten servers. Of all the solutions proposed on this thread, it’s the fastest and more realistic.

Let’s just use Occam’s razor. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best.

Server merging doesn’t resolve the root participation problem. There are enough players on every server to fill WvW. It’s the lack of incentive to WvW in the first place for those that aren’t into PvP to begin with, not including fundamental game mode issues.

-KNT- BG

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Posted by: DeWolfe.2174

Dayra.7405:
DeWolfe.2174:
How about something really simple, first remove the server capacity limits. .

T1 still want more player?
Here is a better Way:

Count how many People Play at primetime, determine how many Server would be needed to fit them with slight Queue.

determine the Nummer of player-hours per Server and the mean and how much each Server deviate from that mean (e.g. ET -80%, BG +50%)

Set the max Population to 110% of mean. (Full if above)

delete the Server that deviate most from mean, the player get a free transfer.

server that have 90%-110% pop are as today.

server that have below 90% have double drops, exp, WEXP, karama

server that have above 110% have half drops, exp, WEXP, karama

set all transfer prices to 500.

Thank you putting so much thought into this. Instead of Anet taking weeks to figure out the math, how about something really simple, first remove the server capacity limits! And, I’m saying this should be done like, right now. Not waiting a few weeks or months to figure out the numbers or come up with new solutions or game modes. Let’s players move so we can shake up the matches on our own. This can be done fast! Considering how poor the turnout for S3 was, there should be a sense of urgency about this.

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Posted by: DeWolfe.2174

Thank you Dev’s for such fast action! Every server is at “Very High” atm.

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Posted by: Bonora.8790

Bonora.8790

With that you don’t fix the problem, you only hide the problem of the population unbalanced. And put more expensive the low population servers.

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Posted by: urieldhynne.2743

urieldhynne.2743

Amazing move Anet! All servers in very high now! You get the point of this CDI! I am sure now you actually did read this thread!

I am going to invest my gems in Eredon Terrace or maybe Anvil Rock. Ty so much.

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Posted by: oscuro.9720

oscuro.9720

Hello! I am Oscuro of Kaineng. If you are on kaineng and frequent WvW, you probably know who I am. Kaineng is a low population server and I, and many of my fellow server mates, feel that way. Let me tell you the story of my time on GW 2 WvW!
When I started playing this game, I was in the server Black Gate. Black Gate was an awesome community and I had a great guild. I loved roaming on my thief and it was definitely a plus having some good zerg fights every so often. For the first months of the game, everything was great. Than, something came that ruined everything. One of the most damaging and fundamentally flawed aspects of the game…blobs.
Blobs completely changed the face if WvW T1 for the worse. So, one game changing week, we played Yaks Bend. Yaks Bend was not blogging, yet our blobs were slowed to a crawl by tactical siege placement and superior strategy. Being an avid roamer, I could respect what they did, it wasn’t much different than a 1vX, just on a larger scale. Some weeks passed and the blob got worse. Roaming became difficult on my older computer, and I couldn’t take it. I took a small break (1-2 weeks), and when I got back, my whole guild had transferred to ioj. So I decided to act. I transferred to Yaks Bend.
Yaks Bend was awesome. It had a great community and so many people were welcoming. However, the Blob was gaining fake for its unprecedented amount of badges, karma, and XP. Soon, small blobs began to appear in Yaks Bend. I saw the same thing repeating. Meanwhile, one of the friends I had originally began playing with way back in beta began playing and had transferred to Kaineng. He said it was great, the Blob was present but fairly contained. This was around the time Kaineng had been almost T1. I though about it but did not act. Eventually, events transpired in Yaks Bend that made me want to leave. Note that this is almost a month later. Kaineng had fallen a decent bit because of transfers. So, I talked my friend and he said that roaming in the lower end of the WvW spectrum was great. I saw my opprotunity and took it. Not once have I regretted it. There have been frustrating times. Like guilds transferring and taking many of our active players, but I like KAINENG. Not the servers we play, not winning, but I like the current people i play with. I like our lack of numbers and our teamwork we are developing.
If you want to see balanced matches and true roaming fun, look at places like Kaineng. Occasionally a higher population server comes along and smacks us around, and it is somewhat frustrating, but we still find ways to have fun. Think about 5 people holding a t2 tower from the Blob. It is fun, and it is what we have learned to do.
Let this serve as a message to all of you who say lower tier servers should merge so they put up a fight. IT IS NOT TRUE! We do put up a fight, only because we can outsmart people. We aren’t going to run a 7 man group into the Blob and give you free loot bags, no, we will kite you and slowly kill you for a long time until you get too frustrated to kill us. We don’t necessarily play to win all of the matchup, we play to win the fights we do fight. If you expect a lower tier server to field a Blob the same size as that of a higher population server, you are fooling yourself. AND if you are on a low tier server and want to have more people to zerg with, transfer or make full use of EOTM. But, don’t ever, EVER, suggest combining lower tier server, ESPECIALLY if you aren’t in one!

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Posted by: Krakah.3582

Krakah.3582

oscuro.9720:
Hello! I am Oscuro of Kaineng. If you are on kaineng and frequent WvW, you probably know who I am. Kaineng is a low population server and I, and many of my fellow server mates, feel that way. Let me tell you the story of my time on GW 2 WvW!
<filler>
But, don’t ever, EVER, suggest combining lower tier server, ESPECIALLY if you aren’t in one!

As of this time all NA servers are tagged as very high, BG the only exception marked as full. There are plenty of people on all tiers, the poor participation has everything to do with incentive and game mode appeal.

-KNT- BG

(edited 2014-10-15 04:04:01 by Krakah.3582)

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Posted by: Davey.7029

Davey.7029

If you like roaming and hate blobs, you don’t have to join one. That’s what we do in our guild most of the time: while most players follow the tag, we do our own thing and capture objectives on the other side of the map.

Yes, you can enjoy playing on a bottom server, but your experience will suffer because the game mode was designed for large-scale battles supporting hundreds of players at the same time.

And don’t tell me everyone is happy with the current state on WvW. I talked to and still talk to a lot of people who are disappointed about WvW in Bronze, and even though some have transfered so they could have a better WvW experience, some decided to stay. Not because they love playing outnumbered, being zerged down or regularly joining EB with nobody in it, but because of the friends they made in their guild and in their server.

What if that could be solved? What if Anet could come up with a system where you would still be able to play with your friends? That’s the obvious problem here, and I think the alliance and battlegroup suggestions would help.

(edited 2014-10-15 02:49:17 by Davey.7029)

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

silvermember.8941:
A way to fix WvW is to accept that lot of player only play guild wars 2 get loot. So why not make WvW give as much loot as PvE.

So introduce WvW exclusive tracks similar to sPvP, but design in such a way that its progressives faster than getting WvW levels. Make the amount of loot and reward you get equivalent or greater than PvE. PvE will always have more players by virtue of certain players being afraid of any PvP, but a lot of people don’t do WvW because it rewards are terrible.

Nonononnononononononononono. Go to EOTM if you want that.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

I really hope that ANET does not implement any sort of megaserver technology in WvW. That addition wrecked the sense of community on servers already. Game design 101… an MMO will only sustain if you build communities. Tearing them down is not smart.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

Bubba.5209:
Hey, guess the activity on this topics shows well how WvWers rly need a big change. Its impossible to have read all topics but ill risk putting in my 2 cents.

My idea would basically mean a complete overhaul of how WvW works. Fyi, im a former GW1 and GvG player and currently playing GW2 WvW (nothing else : P).

1. Fusion of maps between WvW and EOTM, keeping the 3 colour factions scheme. 1 Single map, EOTM style and not 3 separate like actual WvW;
2. Change reputation from Server to Guilds, meaning the end of servers as we know it in WvW. Guess ppl who didn’t play GW1 might be afraid of this but, from my experience, Guild rep is much stronger than any server rep. No gems from transfer ANET…er.
3. Track guilds activity (hour, points gained for your faction) and make a ladder with guild reputation in WvW (!!!), according to those periods.
4. The beginning of each matchup would see Guilds being assigned faction according to points gathered on, say, 3 different periods of the day (8h each), keeping the balance. ANET could make as many matchups as they like…so, solves the empty WvW server´s issue. This way, a 1 week matchup would be no problem at all.
5. Tracking guilds WvW activity would allow a good assignment to forthcoming matches (ANET responsibility) and, therefore, solve 2 big problems: Population imbalance (again, ANET can start as many matches as they want, say 15-20), and “Night capping” issues severely reduced. Also, PPT would be replaced by Kills, Stomps and Secure map points.
6. Introduce GvG Tournament Arena where Guilds could battle each other (10 Vs 10, 20Vs20) in elimination rounds, say, best out of 3 wins; and also introduce the Guild Challenge Banner (upg with merits and influence), that a guild can lay down on the ground and another can pick up and accept or not. That GvG would have a timelimit of 25 mins. Result would give reputation to winning guild and points for the winning faction side. This would need a thread of its own to develop more insight on it.
7. A concentration of more than 40 players in a 1200 area would give a full map alert and a debuff on that grp, renewed every 2 mins if it still stands. This is to reduce zerging and karma training and improve battle experience overall.
8. Make breaching towers and keeps easier but getting the cap much harder (ditch the golems and siege disabler ideas plz…).
9. Introduce “Ressurection Sickness” when a player rallies/ gets bannered: A player with this debuff (lasting like 2 mins) is truly dead if HP gets to 0 again, no downed state anymore. Meaning: every1 has a chance for 1 rally when downed and not continuously… This would allow samller, more tactical groups to fight bigger numbers more effectively = better fights for every1.

Ty if u took the time to read all this!

Cheers, Bubba

Wow. You took a lot of time to write this. Unfortunately, I disagree with every point except for #6.

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Posted by: McWolfy.5924

McWolfy.5924

Players are not motivated to play wvw.
I think every servers have the population to fill wvw places but players dont want to play. 20-40 silver for a good food (half hour) and 10-30 silvers for oil/stone/chrystal what is 30-60 mins? Pay for upgrade?
I see they changed the drop rates (more exo but less less rares) but there is safer and faster money making methods. Dungeons are 10-20 minutes and make 1.5g+

Give us reason to play!

WSR→Piken→Deso→Piken→FSP→Deso
Just the WvW
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Posted by: Abe Kleine.3568

Abe Kleine.3568

John Corpening.9847:
You guys beat me to it. After last week’s positive discussion on siege trolls I wanted to bring up the topic of population imbalance and ideas that you have on it.

There are a couple of ideas already going in this thread:

population caps

merge servers

Battle Groups

I’d like to join in this brainstorm with some questions on these. For merging servers, how do we determine who gets merged? Where would we merge them to? How do we maintain any sort of world pride or identity they have? How do we handle potentially merging with your mortal enemies?

For population caps, how do we deal with the longer queues on the worlds that can field enough people? If it is dynamic, would players be able to manipulate it? For example, our world is ahead so we all agree to not play WvW so the other worlds are capped down and can’t counter us.

For Battle Groups, Asglarek mentioned more details are on the way. I’d love to hear more.

I’m approaching this as a brainstorm. The topic is “Approaches to correcting overall population imbalance”. I know there is a related topic of 24 hour coverage but I’d like to keep that as a separate conversation for now.

Please keep this friendly, constructive and on topic. We had a really good discussion on the siege troll thread I’m hoping we can kick around some ideas and have another great discussion here. Feel free to add additional ideas that I didn’t list out but please make sure they are on topic.

Thanks,
John

Merge Servers, tada! no need for lower population caps or messing with anything like that. Planetside 2 has merged multiple servers and it has worked out for the better. It’s a good idea

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Posted by: Jareth.9065

azizul.8469:
only 2 solutions :

either MERGE SERVERS or REDUCE MAP CAP.

only those not tried by ANET yet.

Only 1 solution for me: MERGE SERVERS!!! Now with Megaserver system it’s only affects WvWvW.
And everyone can enjoy participating in WvW.

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Shadow.3475

Jareth.9065 really funny, this time i am green then relog now blue and poff now red.

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Posted by: Jareth.9065

oscuro.9720:
Hello! I am Oscuro of Kaineng. If you are on kaineng and frequent WvW, you probably know who I am. Kaineng is a low population server and I, and many of my fellow server mates, feel that way. Let me tell you the story of my time on GW 2 WvW!
When I started playing this game, I was in the server Black Gate. Black Gate was an awesome community and I had a great guild. I loved roaming on my thief and it was definitely a plus having some good zerg fights every so often. For the first months of the game, everything was great. Than, something came that ruined everything. One of the most damaging and fundamentally flawed aspects of the game…blobs.
Blobs completely changed the face if WvW T1 for the worse. So, one game changing week, we played Yaks Bend. Yaks Bend was not blogging, yet our blobs were slowed to a crawl by tactical siege placement and superior strategy. Being an avid roamer, I could respect what they did, it wasn’t much different than a 1vX, just on a larger scale. Some weeks passed and the blob got worse. Roaming became difficult on my older computer, and I couldn’t take it. I took a small break (1-2 weeks), and when I got back, my whole guild had transferred to ioj. So I decided to act. I transferred to Yaks Bend.
Yaks Bend was awesome. It had a great community and so many people were welcoming. However, the Blob was gaining fake for its unprecedented amount of badges, karma, and XP. Soon, small blobs began to appear in Yaks Bend. I saw the same thing repeating. Meanwhile, one of the friends I had originally began playing with way back in beta began playing and had transferred to Kaineng. He said it was great, the Blob was present but fairly contained. This was around the time Kaineng had been almost T1. I though about it but did not act. Eventually, events transpired in Yaks Bend that made me want to leave. Note that this is almost a month later. Kaineng had fallen a decent bit because of transfers. So, I talked my friend and he said that roaming in the lower end of the WvW spectrum was great. I saw my opprotunity and took it. Not once have I regretted it. There have been frustrating times. Like guilds transferring and taking many of our active players, but I like KAINENG. Not the servers we play, not winning, but I like the current people i play with. I like our lack of numbers and our teamwork we are developing.
If you want to see balanced matches and true roaming fun, look at places like Kaineng. Occasionally a higher population server comes along and smacks us around, and it is somewhat frustrating, but we still find ways to have fun. Think about 5 people holding a t2 tower from the Blob. It is fun, and it is what we have learned to do.
Let this serve as a message to all of you who say lower tier servers should merge so they put up a fight. IT IS NOT TRUE! We do put up a fight, only because we can outsmart people. We aren’t going to run a 7 man group into the Blob and give you free loot bags, no, we will kite you and slowly kill you for a long time until you get too frustrated to kill us. We don’t necessarily play to win all of the matchup, we play to win the fights we do fight. If you expect a lower tier server to field a Blob the same size as that of a higher population server, you are fooling yourself. AND if you are on a low tier server and want to have more people to zerg with, transfer or make full use of EOTM. But, don’t ever, EVER, suggest combining lower tier server, ESPECIALLY if you aren’t in one!

I’m with you but i have played WvW on my Borderlands map with only 3 more people plenty of time.
The merge is only for extremely low populated servers based on WvW participation.If Anet don’t merge these worlds. We’ll continue fight for our own and win some battles, loose more…. But we’ll know that we worth the prise of being victorious on the battlefield.
Blob is for no skilled players!

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

Jareth.9065:
azizul.8469:
only 2 solutions :

either MERGE SERVERS or REDUCE MAP CAP.

only those not tried by ANET yet.

Only 1 solution for me: MERGE SERVERS!!! Now with Megaserver system it’s only affects WvWvW.
And everyone can enjoy participating in WvW.

I’d quit the game mode for sure then. The mode is stale. Proof of this is how much more healthy WvW is during tourney. A lot of people play for their communities.

[TAO] Founder/Owner and Administrator for the NSP Server Website

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Posted by: Jareth.9065

How i see the things:
The merge is only for extremely low populated!

“For merging servers, how do we determine who gets merged?”
-Weekly or Monthly WvW participation. The time zone doesn’t matter WvW is 24/7.

" Where would we merge them to?"
-Mayby to new server/world with name like “…….. Alliance” to mark the merged server.

“How do we maintain any sort of world pride or identity they have?”
-In our history have rises of alliances, why not here? Two ot Three small kingdoms in one. Take Florence for instance it was a separated “world” and now is part of Italy.

“How do we handle potentially merging with your mortal enemies?”
- “Enemy of my enemy is my friend!” and “Have your friends close, your enemies closer.”

(edited 2014-10-15 12:28:13 by Jareth.9065)

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

Jareth.9065:
How i see the things:

“For merging servers, how do we determine who gets merged?”
-Weekly or Monthly WvW participation. The time zone doesn’t matter WvW is 24/7.

" Where would we merge them to?"
-Mayby to new server/world with name like “…….. Alliance” to mark the merged server.

“How do we maintain any sort of world pride or identity they have?”
-In our history have rises of alliances, why not here? Two ot Three small kingdoms in one. Take Florence for instance it was a separated “world” and now is part of Italy.

“How do we handle potentially merging with your mortal enemies?”
- “Enemy of my enemy is my friend!” and “Have your friends close, your enemies closer.”

It’s a temporary “fix” unless arena locks people into those alliances. I say “fix” since it’s not an issue to a lot of players. I have no desire to play in top tier servers, i like our WvW pop and most of our match-ups.

[TAO] Founder/Owner and Administrator for the NSP Server Website

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Posted by: Jareth.9065

munkiman.3068:
Jareth.9065:
How i see the things:

“For merging servers, how do we determine who gets merged?”
-Weekly or Monthly WvW participation. The time zone doesn’t matter WvW is 24/7.

" Where would we merge them to?"
-Mayby to new server/world with name like “…….. Alliance” to mark the merged server.

“How do we maintain any sort of world pride or identity they have?”
-In our history have rises of alliances, why not here? Two ot Three small kingdoms in one. Take Florence for instance it was a separated “world” and now is part of Italy.

“How do we handle potentially merging with your mortal enemies?”
- “Enemy of my enemy is my friend!” and “Have your friends close, your enemies closer.”

It’s a temporary “fix” unless arena locks people into those alliances. I say “fix” since it’s not an issue to a lot of players. I have no desire to play in top tier servers, i like our WvW pop and most of our match-ups.

I have no desire to play in top tier servers either. For me it’s fine to play in mid tier. I cant stand that in plenty of cases all day on the map have 5 – 8 ppl from my server…. and that’s not a joke.

Tell me what is your vision of the problem.

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

Jareth.9065:
I have no desire to play in top tier servers either. For me it’s fine to play in mid tier. I cant stand that in plenty of cases all day on the map have 5 – 8 ppl from my server…. and that’s not a joke.

Tell me what is your vision of the problem.

The low numbers in WvW means the mode is stale, unrewarding and encourages certain tactics to be the most effective (i.e. blobbing round robin style). Until they address those issues, the mode will continue to lose players. You have lower participation in the top tiers too.

They should create some way to deal with hacking/cheating.
They should make defense equally as rewarding as offense.
They should remove PPT, in place of capture, defense and player deaths points.
They should cripple the downed state (lower health significantly).
They should make AoE siege scale, along with NPC’s during defense events against outnumbered. (determined buff)
They should force neutral states to objectives if not refreshed.

If they address those, you’d see tactics change, you’d have more interesting battles, more even match-ups, people would spread around more and not blob v blob all day long. You’d see servers winning not based mostly on participation, but on skill and strategy.

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Posted by: Jareth.9065

munkiman.3068
I have to agree with you.
But still we have the problem with low populated servers and the numbers can determine the exit of 1 war…

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