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Greate ideas Sam!

Yesterday we actually had the exact same conversation in Dius, and we came up with both the same ideas.

The first solution would be an easy way of Anet to help out a big part of their playerbase that play this game on a regular basis. In addition to this the stagnation of the game would be decreased and the interest would hopefully once again flourish!

Yep its very nice, that way the PPT and the GVG crowds wouldnt eat each other, as its happening on many servers atm.

Will Anet listen, im doubting it.

Keva

Yep that would be a positive effect as well.

The important point of this idea/system would be easy to implement and at very little cost for Anet because the same guild that could Raid in borderland could be doing Gvg would also promote less people in same map, so less lag and load on the server especcialy peak load that cause Lags and such, solution it’s simple enough to be viable

Thank you for articulating this so well and suggesting megaserver for the OS. I’ve pointed out myself how stacking gvg guilds into a single tier (NA T2) was unhealthy for the scene. People took it as whining about FA dropping to silver…

Solution #2 is something they should have developed from the start to be honest.

Devs definitely need to step up and realize these ideas. They would provide a lift to the GvG community without disrupting the existing WvW format.

Chaba.5410:

. I’ve pointed out myself how stacking gvg guilds into a single tier (NA T2) was unhealthy for the scene.

I agree 100%

Also agree with OP that is needed a GvG mode and also think that the day GW2 can have a GvG mode it will fix some of the stagnation on WvW at least in the NA servers. But this is another topic.

OP,

I think it could even be more easy than that. Take OS GvG part of the map and put it in sPvP. That way, any guild from any server in NA can fight any other guild from NA at any time (same in EU). Honestly, we dont need the WvW/PvE stats to GvG, this way players from guild who love the theorycrafting can also do it and dont need to waste 80 gold every time you have to change runes. WvW gear for ZvsZ, ZvsBlob or roaming is not need in GvG.

If with time Anet wants to have a GvG ladder like in SPvP or make of it a “new game mode” in GW2 that would be great. But we only need that map that lest us fight any guild we want no matter in what server they are.

Peace.

Edit: Edited last word. Now it reads peace instead of pace.

Yep the two solution i proposed, the short term one i tryed to make as simple possible so it became just a Design choice instead of techinical problem to try to fix or implement, the system it’s there, works no problem for EOTM and while i’m not sure it’s probably the same system or with just minor changes for Pve maps, so doing it for the OS would techinical easy and only a choice about we want to do it or not, i think they can be only some concern for the JP section but i think the choice could be.

The long term solution that in the past it’s just the start i would like to do a more complete description, talking about future and thinking as well how to make it as easy as possibile to implement, the easier it is to do the better it’s the change of happening

Well, hopefully people are listening to this.

There only reason for OS to be a wvw map is for pvp with teams decided by tier match. It doesn’t contribute anything to wvw, much like eotm.

OR why not have OS be a custom arena just like spvp, either you buy it for say 1000g or you earn it through art of war guild perks, you can then have your own version of OS and invite whoever you want, simples.

Well Vavume in long term solution Should be like Os but as custom arena, the focus for now should trying to get an easy to implement, near 0 cost for Anet, the easier and cheaper it is the more it’s the possibility to get this actually implemented.

Supporting all the way!

i kinda give a clap for those try so hard with this gvg … but Dev don’t support this type zerg v zerg and wvw mode where stats are so unbalanced.

while they do support tpvp more, its still slow as hell with the updates.

why dont u play the game that support zerg v zerg instead (ws)

@Liza Thank you for the feedabck, well Devs actually did the Gvg arena in OS in the past as yes somebody can say it was for that incident in past but they stated it wasn’t and it was alreayd a working in progress or more probably a concept already there in ANET, so i think the truth it’s the don’t much time to develop for now a system like it’s needed, so that’s why i’m trying to explain and propose a system that has little cost for ANET and with big advantage for all the players involved in Gvg scene and such.

Even just having more guilds able to gvg more often it’s already good, if servers had enough guilds, the problem would be there, but right now it’s not like this, it could be in the future, the short term solution it’s a way to improve and increase Gvg population and option by a lot.

Also most GvG guild do plenty of Zerg vs Zerg, and i’m sure it’s going be still a major part of Guild activity, but this short term solution give them option to do also something else that they love.

In the end, If developer can’t make this short term solution for whatever reason, it doesn’t matter, if you love something you need to try to safe it/improve it anyways, no matter what is the outcame, this plan has a chance to be done, let’s try to make at easy as possibile for ANET to implent it, showing support and giving feedback to them.

I would happily have played GvG in a custom arena WITH PvP stats if it allowed for 15/20v15/20. I feel to many GvGers are too picky about it being PvE stats. If everyone plays according to the same rules (or limitations in this case) its all good.

Mizu.9387:

I would happily have played GvG in a custom arena WITH PvP stats if it allowed for 15/20v15/20. I feel to many GvGers are too picky about it being PvE stats. If everyone plays according to the same rules (or limitations in this case) its all good.

same. if spvp supported that many players i dont think there would be such a big outcry for gvg

Yes of course the Custom arena with more space even just 15v15 would be awesome but i think it’s techincal limitation of the arena it self and of the underlying structure so it would be hard to implement without adding server and that’s a barrier

I’ve been thinking something like the 2nd option for a long time already – who in the GvG scene wouldn’t have? :/

Gets my full support.

In gw1 GvG was a 8v8 game mode. The goal was to kill the enemy guild lord npc. So everything is ready to make a gvg in spvp. We just need more maps with lords and a ladder.

Totally support this. Anet plz read

If they consider both ideas, they could even start looking into a variant of the PvP and Pve tournement of legends that are being orgonized atm.

In any case, i completely support this idea

When I bought the game I was looking very much forward to doing some GvG.
Now 18 months later I think I have to accept that GW2 will never be the game I was looking for when I made the purchase.

They will not reply to your thread, every time someone mentions GvG in an interview the dev. seem surprised, as if after GW1 we shouldn’t expect that sort of balanced gameplay anymore.

@Xilllix well i’m hopeing for answer and a change, that change would mean a lot to the all gvg community without much Time spent for Anet because the system it’s already used for other maps and Eotm and will requide little testing and only mostly a Design choice more than everything, i think as well the problems for makeing the map with a Megaserver system would be minimal in any case thank you for your feedback

Xillllix.3485:

When I bought the game I was looking very much forward to doing some GvG.
Now 18 months later I think I have to accept that GW2 will never be the game I was looking for when I made the purchase.

They will not reply to your thread, every time someone mentions GvG in an interview the dev. seem surprised, as if after GW1 we shouldn’t expect that sort of balanced gameplay anymore.

i bet no dev has ever participated in a GvG

(and that guy with the “rekkin my game mode” debacle was just a bystander)

Xillllix.3485:

When I bought the game I was looking very much forward to doing some GvG.
Now 18 months later I think I have to accept that GW2 will never be the game I was looking for when I made the purchase.

^^ This. I accepted it a lot earlier though. I still had some inkling of hope when they announced the new map, EotM. But that didn’t turn out to be what I had hoped for.

Yeah, we got OS. OS and the whole GvG scene reminds me a lot of local village soccer tournaments. A farmer puts the cows in the stable to free up a meadow, you plunk down some buckets to use as goal posts and you invite the neighboring village’s soccer team to play against. A handful of people come to watch, and the local baking wonder sells some cookies and lemonade on a camping table.

How different GW1 GvG was…

I wish you good luck with the proposal and the ideas, however. Hopefully for you guys something good comes out of it.

+1 lets hope this gets the attention is deserves.

Personally I feel that one of the causes of server stacking is due to not having something like this implemented. Guilds Stack particular Tiers/Servers in order to have the opportunity to face a certain variety of opposing guilds, for example if A B C server has X Y Z Guilds you would not transfer your guild to A B C server, but more than likely a server that faces A B C quite regularly. Every other guild follows same pattern and end up most of the GvG scene stacked within the same 2 Tiers. Where if something like the EoTM system was in place Guilds could freely occupy servers they wouldn’t normally occupy for less queue’s creating a better server balance in that region, whilst still having the opportunities to face the guilds they want to face.

insanemaniac.2456:

i bet no dev has ever participated in a GvG

Not true because we once invited someone from ANet who was watching in OS into our guild to do like two rounds with us lol.

Totally support this idea, would be great to be able to gvg any guild (well-known top tier ones as well as lower-tier ones) without having to transfer. Would probably help with the population imbalance as well, since everyone won’t have to go to the top 2-3 tiers for better fights.

As opposed to the PvE and PvP community, which I think can and in fact, DO drop the game on a regular basis (in PvE people just play and stop whenever they feel like it, be it weeks months whatever, and many PvPers stop playing for many weeks at a time when they get mad at skyhammer and stuff:D) the WvW \ GvG community is one of the most dedicated to the game. They are constantly active, if you don’t practice working together as a group of 20-30 players, things can fall apart very easily, and that’s why when it comes down to it, IMO, Anet should definitely pay some attention to their most dedicated crowd.

We’ve endured many other MMO releases and stuck out with GW2.
Not supporting gvg game mode is one thing- but maybe use existing infrastructure and resources to make us a bit happier?

I’m not too excited about the spvp option, I like the diversity that comes along with the gears we use in wubwub. Converting OS arena into a spvp map would prolly be less time consuming tho.

Just curious- if GvG is your thing, why not make a guild team for team pvp?

@Sinbold The custom arena are limited to 10v10 people and many times when a 10v10 is done there is lag in the fight

And you don’t experience the same lag when you’re on a WvW map at full capacity?

Sinbold.8723:

And you don’t experience the same lag when you’re on a WvW map at full capacity?

I think it’s more to do with an open arena is required, which spvp doesn’t provide, as well as PvE/WvW stats.

Thx for makin the post and showin support for the mode, a lot of people have been asking it for a while and I don’t think we should stop, its an ever changing gametype the players have created and I hope to see more support added!

GvG and WvW are not the same, they have different kinds of players with their own play-styles which they find enjoyable in WvW, but both have their own kind of Dedicated players.

I think everyone wants to find a good fight even the Casuals among the Zergs and those in Guilds want to progress with their Guild whether it be out on the open field or in a GvG setting, but you also have those who want to avoid the Hardcore Stigma.

Anyway, I would love them to make the OS like a megaserver for both the dueling and GvG scene, for those who want nice even fights without interruption.

Would this prevent Guilds from Stacking on Servers in certain Tiers? I know that many Guilds migrated due to the ‘blobby’ style of the EU Gold League Tiers, do you really think Guilds would start spreading out before they quit the game?

You will still get trolls unless you make a seperate GvG Arena instance in PvP with larger player caps, I don’t know whether they have the Server capacity to support that though.

I also enjoy Theory Crafting as a ‘casual’ hobby of mine so many will feel it’s a limitation if you make a GvG map in sPvP, but going off topic again I agree with Liza about Balancing in WvW in general – so making it in sPvP might no be so bad.

Sinbold.8723:

And you don’t experience the same lag when you’re on a WvW map at full capacity?

The Spvp server and WvW server are different, i’m pretty sure that every custom arena has specific resourse limit while WvW server mostly don’t have it so they run till max and then start lagging, or they could probably run on multiple server with load balacing but yeah i got no clue about their server backend, i’m sure they are 2 types of server or different limit for both server, example 1 server could run 20 custom arena

Sinbold.8723:

Just curious- if GvG is your thing, why not make a guild team for team pvp?

lol just proved you don’t know what gvg in gw2 is.

You are about a year+ too late, many GvG ideas have been mentioned in the forums before and Anet doesn’t want to do them. /enoughsaid

Definitely support the idea. Being able to GVG any guild during any matchup would be great and thus, spice up the game again.

Though, I honestly doubt ArenaNet is ever going to go with something to such an extend. I very well remember the interview with RPGamer where the devs acted like complete kittens when the question about GVG was brought up.

CrazyDuck.4610:

You are about a year+ too late, many GvG ideas have been mentioned in the forums before and Anet doesn’t want to do them. /enoughsaid

Many Gvg idea weren’t douable without major Dev time investement, the short term solution would requide little time to make that’s why i think it’s viable

awesome ideas Sam, however as previously mentioned by significant number of people here, even though the game is called guildwars (and not siegewars, which it is slowly but surely turning into), I am pretty sure we will not see any of them implemented into the game…
and while wvw community is very loyal to the game it is, in my opinion, the one which receives the least attention from developers (based on the number of bugs reported and still not fixed for a year now, on the contrary with pve-release/living world immediate fixing and repairing….)
also, even when devs do not like gvg that much, when there’s a big amount of players who enjoy this structured way of fights, they should do something about it

Well got a plan as well if nothing change to improve the current situation as well, with just player effort

Great Idea.

It’s so kitten hard to organize a GvG with a guild not in your matchup through EoTM. Lots of trouble involved right now.

Would love to see some of this post’s suggestions implemented.

Good ideas, maybe someone will pay attention.
Because I’m not fickle and think something will be acted upon because of this thread, I will make a suggestion …
Guilds that play for fights EU-wide organise certain dates of EoTM raiding (My suggestion is once or twice a week). Guilds you want to fight, you get on the same overflow as them. Although its a pain in the kitten , it’s 10x better than running around doing nothing for the boring match-ups.
In my eyes its the only potential solution to the problem of this game loosing guilds and players at the rate it is atm. About time the guilds that wish to continue on this game, take matters into their own hands.
I’m sure Sam and a few other guild leaders will help us organise this so it might be implemented pretty soon.

SkylightMoon.1980:

Sinbold.8723:

Just curious- if GvG is your thing, why not make a guild team for team pvp?

lol just proved you don’t know what gvg in gw2 is.

You are quite correct. My original small guild goes to the PvP lobby and plays team arena. In GW1, we GvG’d a LOT. We weren’t high ranked (or ranked at all for that matter), but we had fun. Our best memory is when we got matched up against a Spanish guild ranked #20 on the ladder and took them to overtime with the Guild Lords in the center of our Guild Hall. We lost, but barely, as their Lord was at about 5% health at the end of the match. They PM’d us and gave us a lot of compliments, which I thought was cool. A little while later, we even got some join requests from people that watched in observation mode. I saved my build as “Spanish Overtime”.

Anyway… Care to enlighten me on how it’s done? Number of people on each team, etc. It’d be greatly appreciated.