I have 27k dolyaks killed, so yeah thanks for de-valueing all my efforts… I also have 20k camps flipped, which I now suspect you are also going to nerf into casual player territory. It really is disappointing that it took you 3 years to fix the achievement situation and then when you do everyone that has put in any real work towards titles gets a slap in the face….
Pretty remarkable that they took years to change it and when they finally do its changed in a way that could have been done easily 3 years ago.
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2,500 is far to low for Yak Slapper. I think it should be something like 20k. As said above, basically the only title available to hardcore WvW players was 250k player kills. Now if you make them to easy there is nothing unique that people who actually put in the time are going to be able to display.
2500 is way too low for yak slapper. I have over 8k yaks killed and I’m not a roamer/havoc squad type of person. At least make it 10k or yak slapper will be commonplace which really screws over the efforts of wvw players.
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
I have 27k dolyaks killed, so yeah thanks for de-valueing all my efforts… I also have 20k camps flipped, which I now suspect you are also going to nerf into casual player territory. It really is disappointing that it took you 3 years to fix the achievement situation and then when you do everyone that has put in any real work towards titles gets a slap in the face….
Guess you’d still rather have impossible achievements? People have done math before. You’ve been working towards never getting them.
I honestly think 2500 is a bit low though. I have just under 7000 yak kills and I know many people have way more than me as well. To put it in line with Ultimate Dominator, I think it should be at around 10k
+1 why always black or white ?
to be in line with the 250k kills 2,5k dollys are way to low. 10k +/- 2k would fit better .
hope we not see that all hardcore wvw player habe all titles beside the realm avenger:(
yes we want a nerf to put the achievements in line with the 250k kills but not easy achievements for every casual
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For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
2500 takes plenty of time required if you would start playing WvW now. I got more than 2500 myself, but think 2500 is a fair time investment. And it will only get worse that you can make dolyaks invulnerable in HoT and make them harder to farm.
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Guess you’d still rather have impossible achievements? People have done math before. You’ve been working towards never getting them.
No I would not rather have impossible achievements, I was hoping for achievements to be nerfed to something that was still DIFFICULT to get, and I have been working towards that, sadly it seems they are going to completely gut them and make them a joke though.
2500 takes plenty of time required if you would start playing WvW now. I got more than 2500 myself, but think 2500 is a fair time investment. And it will only get worse that you can make dolyaks invulnerable in HoT and make them harder to farm.
Yea, a lot of achievements in this game do not take years to do, after all.
Though this is why I suggested repeatable ones.
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Even thought there’s going to be lots of yakslappers running around now, I still take these as really great news since after 3 years they actually decided to make these achievements possible for humans
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
Quick question though, are any of these achievements being made endless? Would really like to be able to see my stats even after I get the rewards.
Guess you’d still rather have impossible achievements? People have done math before. You’ve been working towards never getting them.
No I would not rather have impossible achievements, I was hoping for achievements to be nerfed to something that was still DIFFICULT to get, and I have been working towards that, sadly it seems they are going to completely gut them and make them a joke though.
Those upset because they passed 2.5k already but really how long did it take them to get 2.5k yaks? I’m at 11,121 yaks killed, 8k+ hours in this game and above 4k rank. If it was 10k yaks that would still have taken me a couple of years to get.
Most achievements in this game are not hard to achieve. Why should wvw ones be any different?
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
So does the ‘Yakslapper’ title being lowered to 2500 make about the same percentage of active players able to qualify for it as have the ‘Ultimate Dominator’ then?
That’s my thought, UD shows the level that dedication can reach. Compare that to the levels actually reached in the other trees across the entire game dataset, round down to the next lowest round number so a few extra people get it, and do that.
At this point ANet has 3 years of data they can mine for how far can people take the titles, for most of them keep them as status symbols, or at least add a comparable standalone item showing the levels a small dedicated percentage have gotten in 3 years of gameplay, titled and themed appropriately, and make the existing achievement-series have an ‘infinite progression’ available.
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
I have 27k dolyaks killed, so yeah thanks for de-valueing all my efforts… I also have 20k camps flipped, which I now suspect you are also going to nerf into casual player territory. It really is disappointing that it took you 3 years to fix the achievement situation and then when you do everyone that has put in any real work towards titles gets a slap in the face….
2500 yaks still takes pretty long
it’s not like it requires any effort to even flip a camp if you’re zerker with blinds anyway
will these achievements continue to track “progress” the same way that master of entropy and hobby dungeon explorer track your salvages / dungeon completions?
i think thats the heart of the agitation that i personally have (and likely whoever else, but i only speak for myself). i want the titles because theyre awesome, but i really really like that i know i have 8.6k camp flips, 57k player kills, 12.7k yaks slapped, 1100 keep flips, etc, and i would like to continue to track that just for lulz. i kind of dont want any of the current iterations titles for the simple reason that as soon as you get ultimate dominator, it stops tracking kills for you.
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Ok for the people who want to track their lifetime progress there could be a “Master of Overkill” like achievement which gives 0 AP but counts forever.
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2,500 dolyaks is a lot, but I think even as high as 10,000 is reasonable. WvW is forever. I’ve played tons (rank 800ish?) and I believe I have about 1.3k kills.
As long as you’ve got good rewards for each tier, I’d prefer a scale closer to 10,000. By good rewards mean giving us 20 AP every 2,500 past 2,500. Maybe it looks like a lot on paper, but that’s a lot to ask of a player, even when it exists alongside achievements that give, for example, 20 AP every 2,500 towers captured.
Alternatively, giving AP every X after a player’s achieved the title would be even better and really solidify that “WvW is forever”. If they were repeatable, I’d expect 10 AP per 2.5k slayed.
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
I’ve seen a few people on reddit who claim to have achieved T4 or T5 of some of the achievements. I find this unlikely due to hypothetical times involved, but if it’s true I think you shouldn’t reduce the maximum number needed for each achievement below what people have already reached.
Reducing below current levels is very disrespectful and unnessesary as it’s clearly achievable at whatever level someone has already achieved.
I hope you guys learnt your lesson from the Fractured debacle, reducing players progress without even a slither of recognition isn’t the way to restructure a system.
Back when you guys capped the salvaging achievement, you left in the repeat counter. As someone who had over 10k AP taken away, that small mark of respect and consideration was amazing for me.
I’m undecided to be honest:
I think I want the titles to be hard to obtain but the AP to be easier.
But most of the titles are unachievable, I think 10 or 15 k yaks would be something I’d like. No idea about the other titles – but they should still mean something.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol. snip…
If by status symbol you mean “I farmed another server in obsidian sanctum” then yes it grants a form of status but not in a good way. I wouldn’t wear it even if I got in now. But thanks for listening to the players on the other changes.
Perhaps achieving some of the new titles should unlock a repeatable achievement, in the same way that long-term PvE achievements like dungeons and salvaging have repeatable achievements. The people with 25k yaks killed can wake up on HoT release day and have a ton of shiny new achievement points to show for their dedication, which will also help the imbalance between PvP/PvE and WvW in terms of opportunities to earn achievement points. (I’d suggest making the cap on the repeatable achievement equivalent to the current Yakslapper, but I doubt the game supports more than 255 repetitions of an achievement and you wouldn’t want to make the criteria for the repeatable achievement more than about 100 as it is. Unless you made two repeatable achievements: one that counts only yaks killed since Heart of Thorns, and a historical one with a higher cap as an attaboy for people who seriously went for launch’s Yakslapper.
2500 is way too low for yak slapper. I have over 8k yaks killed and I’m not a roamer/havoc squad type of person. At least make it 10k or yak slapper will be commonplace which really screws over the efforts of wvw players.
LOL its not too low. i only have 800… if you raised it to 10k as you proposed, people like me still wouldnt get it.
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I’ve seen a few people on reddit who claim to have achieved T4 or T5 of some of the achievements. I find this unlikely due to hypothetical times involved, but if it’s true I think you shouldn’t reduce the maximum number needed for each achievement below what people have already reached.
Reducing below current levels is very disrespectful and unnessesary as it’s clearly achievable at whatever level someone has already achieved.
I hope you guys learnt your lesson from the Fractured debacle, reducing players progress without even a slither of recognition isn’t the way to restructure a system.
Back when you guys capped the salvaging achievement, you left in the repeat counter. As someone who had over 10k AP taken away, that small mark of respect and consideration was amazing for me.
I don’t think scaling the new achievement requirements based on the level of outlying grinder players is a particularly good idea, particularly for something like Yakslapper which requires no talent whatsoever beyond the ability to waste a colossal amount of your time. 2500 yaks is still quite a large number for reasonable players.
Ultimate Dominator, there a title I like to get, sounds awesome, i bet it super easy (i say this after checking and seeing it not. also i see i not hit tier 2 of 5 yet, lol)
Perhaps achieving some of the new titles should unlock a repeatable achievement, in the same way that long-term PvE achievements like dungeons and salvaging have repeatable achievements.
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
I’ve seen a few people on reddit who claim to have achieved T4 or T5 of some of the achievements. I find this unlikely due to hypothetical times involved, but if it’s true I think you shouldn’t reduce the maximum number needed for each achievement below what people have already reached.
Reducing below current levels is very disrespectful and unnessesary as it’s clearly achievable at whatever level someone has already achieved.
I hope you guys learnt your lesson from the Fractured debacle, reducing players progress without even a slither of recognition isn’t the way to restructure a system.
Back when you guys capped the salvaging achievement, you left in the repeat counter. As someone who had over 10k AP taken away, that small mark of respect and consideration was amazing for me.
Someone posted 700k yak kills on reddit so it must be true right?
So in essence you propose anet make the yakslayer title 700k because one guy claims to have gotten that?
on a serious note i think 2500 is just fine… people forget how long they actually needed for it.. i bet most people didnt even pay attention cuz they would never egt it anyways but on popular servers it might take more than a few months to get it which is already longer than any other achieve.
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
So for the Heart of Thorns or whatever its called you guys fixing some achievements that were set poorly 3 years ago? Can you explain why this has to be in HoT or why you mention HoT at all for this change? How is this even related to HoT? Isn’t HoT already hyped enough that every single fix has to have the words “Heart of Thorns” in it? I mean really?
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
OKay this sounds interesting but: Give the titles/rewards at like new requirements like 2500kills but let it count further after you got compleeted it, to keep track of how many kills you have a month or 2 further. I got the same with fractals, there is an achievement of do 500 times fractals but afterwards you have no idea how many fractals you have done. Im always interested to keep track of how many kills/captures I have and at this moment the achievements are really ‘lifetime’ experience, plx keep this experience.
or create some personal stats window like you can keep track of your spvp matches.
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
Make it reasonable, but not too easy… I have double those yaks killed already, im sure 90% of active wvwers have too.
Are you ppl actually complaining that they finally doing this :P!!!
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My feelings I don’t think you all should be beaten with a stick, but most reactions on the ArenaNet post are a little bit stupid. No idea if 2.5K Dolyaks is a good number for an achievement, but your reactions are not really constructive.
I think 2500 for yak slapper is a good number, after 2,5 years I’m around 1700 on both achievements escort and killing yaks. I play more in zergs and blobs.
I think 2.5k yaks is a good number. Most people who are in the tens of thousands are forgetting that they have been playing for 2-3 years and that they spent several thousand hours in wvw. As someone who has been playing wvw on and off for a combined total of around 300 hours i am at a bit over 400 yaks killed. Now i understand i’m just not actively going for yaks, but even if you are actively going for yaks it will still take a couple of weeks to get it, which is an appropriate timeframe for an achievement in my opinion.
Glad to hear the achievement requirements are getting reduced to something actually attainable, but, really 2500? Really hope they left a 0 off that. 2500 is so low, lol. I think the pvers in this thread are forgetting that pve regularly gets more achievements added. WvW doesn’t. That’s why the pve achievements are so quick to get. WvW ones should take much longer than pve achievements (and really, should give way more AP than they do) . . . just not “1 million yaks” long lol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
I would assume that changing one extreme (impossible to get) to another (everyone gets it playing normally) isn’t the right way to go, considering that all WvW achievements yield titles. It should show some level of dedication.
The way to go probably is looking how many players have done Ultimate Dominator and adjust the numbers on other achievements to give each title to about the same number of players.
As for other achievements for WvW, we could get some other number achievements, like killing guards or whatever. Some achievements, not related to numbers, consider something like “Help capture every keep during one match.”
If you compare this to PvP achievements for example, 2500 dolyaks appears to be fairly reasonable. For all people that want a counter, they can still add an infinite achievement that awards superior blueprints, gear and badges every further 500 kills. Other achievements can be treated similarly.
There can still be a selected few achievements like Ultimate Dominator that take a much longer time to get; so if you want to show your dedication to WvW, you can pick those titles. But those have to be the exception.
Also, everybody saying that they got more than this already so it should be something like 25k kills should keep in mind that the game has been out for 3 years already. Imagine how long it would take you if you started from scratch instead.
I think 2500 for yak slapper is a good number, after 2,5 years I’m around 1700 on both achievements escort and killing yaks. I play more in zergs and blobs.
I’m a roamer and at 8,5k – and at 50k kills – so by not making these titles super low, they still hold some meaning – I spent my time escorting and killing yaks, you spent your time in a zerg – I don’t think you deserve yakslapper while ultimate dominator is that far away from me.
No offense, I hope you get what I mean.
2500 is way too low for yak slapper. I have over 8k yaks killed and I’m not a roamer/havoc squad type of person. At least make it 10k or yak slapper will be commonplace which really screws over the efforts of wvw players.
2500 is way enough.
It really depends how you play : if you play often with a big zerk, killing yaks is really hard (they die in 0.25 seconds, only ppl at the head of the zerg can get credits for the kill) and there are no Yaks in EotM.
Really, 2500 is fine.
Just check the other achievements (even the repeatable ones) : how many times have you recycled 200 items without getting A.P., or how many dungeons have you ran outside the goal ?
i would prefer have something like yakslapper a bit higher… like 5k yaks? or maybe 10k? i’m not a roamer but i have killed 3.5k dolyaks already… at least 5k or 10k would be a long but makeable achievement.
also is possible have another realm avenger achievement? many got ultimate dominator already and can’t count their kills anymore (myself i’m almost done… 232k/250k) or would be awesome have some stats counter like pvp after match in the wvw tabbel (kills, camps, towers etc)
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.
We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”
First people complain ( including me ) about the impossible to get acheivements. Now anet decides to lower them to more reasonable, maybe a bit too easy idk, and people going berserk about it being too easy.
Never good huh.
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I don’t think you all should be beaten with a stick, but most reactions on the ArenaNet post are a little bit stupid. No idea if 2.5K Dolyaks is a good number for an achievement, but your reactions are not really constructive.