Guild Wars 2

sure like sos guilds need to train for T1…

Well good for ND and Merc as they worked hard in WvW the past few months.

BG is a prime candidate for Oceanic WvW guilds to transfer to as BG has very good Amer coverage and ok Euro.

SoS has a good mix of many different guilds but lacks a strong presence in euro which SoR and JQ now has. Ultimately it became unfun for WvW rounds against them and I feel T2 should be more fun (though we need to make space for T1 via BG who has the best chance of going to T1).

I remember hawking commander orders out for jedahs a while back and trying to herd them WvW cats around (we are much better these days) and Merc and ND will be sorely missed!

See you around.

Proumbro.1376:

Ardon.4105:

What guilds exactly? I only know of AGG, FoE, MERC and ND. Is there one more that has stated they’re coming here?

I think the poster may have been referring to VotF, but I think they are moving to a European server (just speculation)

Vodka.3958:

Eurlin.4256:

I love how people are just trying to deny they stacked their server. Who cares if you did accept it and be proud of it. No matter what you do, you’re not going to come into Tier I like some underdog.

Well just like when SBI imploded, SoR got 7 guilds out of that and became stacked while BG didn’t get anything from them. Now that we’re getting 2 other guilds from SoS we’re being called a stacked server lol. I think that we do have better coverage than the other T2 servers as of now, but come T1 the match will be very even between BG and JQ to where we can actually compete for the top spot and not get a hard steam-roll.

Just like you received guilds before the transfers, just like SoR gained guilds before that, just like… Yeah…

Compared to JQ you may be “competitive” as most BG posters have put it, but from the perspective of SoR, who is already having a competitive match against SoS for second place, you are looking to be stacked. I mean, back in T2 you already had nice coverage compared to us, we filled up that slot a little so we were probably neck and neck in that respect when we moved up to T1, but we couldn’t know for certain.

Now, you are receiving four main guilds from a still T1 capable server, filling up arguably your only time gap where you need coverage, where we as SoR have been fighting these guilds and barely scraping by with second place. Combine that with a server that has continually beaten us in the past, you can see where that statement comes from.

Ultimately, SoR, we are going to have a heavy fight coming up. It is going to be difficult fighting essentially two powerhouses with the depth that they have. All I have to say is that we as SoR are known for our tenacity. We never stop fighting, and we never stop having fun in WvW, and we never stop smashing the opposition while we are on the field of battle Don’t let the points get to you, because if you do, the next month or two when BG inevitably moves up will be painful.

Course I say all of that, but it has yet to be tested how we stand with BG nowadays ^^

Anyway, back on topic, I really wish SoS well as a server. I actually came to SoR during the middle of THE closest race I have ever participated in WvW, that fateful match that came down to the wire with SoS. Best match up to date for me. I hope you as a community continue to grow and love the game as I do.

P.S. This was in no way meant to be malicious, just trying to bring a little levity. I look forward to the battles ahead. They will be very difficult, but I will still smash anyone in my path ^^

Sincerely,

I foot soldier of SoR

/salute

BG is no more stacked in NA then Sor is. BG is actually well rounded right now, while Sor and JQ are not.

From a pure balance perspective, the best thing would be for JQ and Sor to trade a guild or two, and then once BG moved up all three would be relatively equal.

Zen.8497:

“There is nothing on SoR for VotF. As much as we would all like balance, VotF wil lgo where VotF feels it can get good fights. This is leaning strongly to heading back to EU”

And yet you are not part of VoTF or SoR and you know what is best for both. You speak with a forked tongue my friend

“I hope they consider Kaineng. Kaineng is a very competitive server that lacks an EU crew.”

Kaineng actually needs stronger N/A presence as well to be competitive in T1.

I’m speaking from what I’ve heard from a PR representative.

I never said VotF wasn’t best for SoR. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

If VotF were looking at either Kain or SoR I would be very happy, however no information I have heard suggests either.

So Desolation or SFR ??

Zen.8497:

“There is nothing on SoR for VotF. As much as we would all like balance, VotF wil lgo where VotF feels it can get good fights. This is leaning strongly to heading back to EU”

And yet you are not part of VoTF or SoR and you know what is best for both. You speak with a forked tongue my friend

“I hope they consider Kaineng. Kaineng is a very competitive server that lacks an EU crew.”

Kaineng actually needs stronger N/A presence as well to be competitive in T1.

Yeah, Kaineng could use some stronger NA, true.

The difference is that while our NA can and will improve over time, our EU will not. Why? We have the numbers in the NA time for the most part but we don’t have anything in EU.

Kaineng would love VotF to join us in tier 2; we’ve had some absolutely amazing matchups with BG and TC. On top of that, VotF can look forward to some good competition with BG’s strong EU presence!

Brassnautilus.2941:

tkalamba.2541:

Ninein.4782:

This is going to be a cycle that repeats itself. Couple of months later SOR will be the victim of this cycle if they can’t break 3rd place.

We’ve come second for the past 2 weeks….

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/41/#history

you came second because them choo and FEAR threw more gear than any other guild in this game, and because this sos drama had been going on far more than 2 weeks…

The last bit of organized SoS was the week BG came t1, same week JQ became superserver. It is what it is…

Those that thought this super-server raise and fall thing will continue are terribly misinformed. Only reason SoS guilds has this way out (going to BG) was because all those rich Thai on BG, who could offer nothing more than cash (to buy gold). You guys expecting them to shoulder coverage during SEA time, think again. Those people barely had the fps to play AC, TA el oh el.

BG will not become stacked like Henge, or even ET with ruin. This paid xfer only adds salt to wound, and bad blood, lots of it Think about it, become 2nd rated citizens on a server that had already been beaten, and already proven it had not what it takes to stay in T1.

It’s a good thing tsym isn’t on the list, so maybe they will go down with the ship, I’m sure no server wanted their bad attitude and constant sucking in more than you guys did on SoS. Of this entire episode, ditching them is the one thing you’ve done right. Bravo!

I don’t think the ship will go right down. Tier 2 yes. Tier 3 unlikely.

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

You must understand, only tier 1 is fun. Every other tier is not worth playing in. We must get this server to tier 1! And the next! And then some more.

Always interesting to see the countless numbers of “hardcore” guilds that have hopped around going “we want to look for the best fights in T1”, and then complain about coverage issues when hopping guilds caused those issues in the first place. Oh, and casually destroy a bunch of lower tier matchups on their way up. Transfer, get to the top, unbalance matchups, complain about unbalanced matchup at the top, repeat.

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

It’s been attempted. Laylyn, a well known figure on Blackgate attempted to balance things out by recommending servers for guilds to move to back after the fall of HoD. It worked for a little while, but it ultimately failed after a brief time period of relative stability.

It is no longer feasible to attempt this due to the costs and other assorted problems.

Jayne.9251:

morrolan.9608:

WoDan.4079:

Btw: It seems like Kain may be in a good spot to earn a lot of points against SoS…similiar to what happened when SoR ran over an empty SBI.

SOS is not empty yet.

Yeah as I was reading through all of this I couldn’t help but feel badly for the folks on SoS who are remaining ….. This has to be hard to read. I’m sorry for that. I hope you guys regroup and surprise everyone

And whilst we’re wishing, I’d like a chocolate fountain made of edible orichalcum.

The reason I chose to go with MERC: T1 wasn’t fun against a server with huge amounts of coverage where SoS had none.

BG had a weakness in Oceanic timezones. ND and MERC are quite proficient in these times.

/thread.

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

It’s been attempted. Laylyn, a well known figure on Blackgate attempted to balance things out by recommending servers for guilds to move to back after the fall of HoD. It worked for a little while, but it ultimately failed after a brief time period of relative stability.

It is no longer feasible to attempt this due to the costs and other assorted problems.

It’s obviously not too late. Guilds are paying to transfer to BG as we speak. More will follow. Costs and assorted problems are only an issue when you have to pay…..more? I guess that makes about as much since as kittening about coverage and stacked servers and then……stacking another server.

Tsk tsk. No server loyalty is there.

Good riddance, let the server hoppers hop. At least they have to pay to band wagon now.

Haldunius.7864:

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

It’s been attempted. Laylyn, a well known figure on Blackgate attempted to balance things out by recommending servers for guilds to move to back after the fall of HoD. It worked for a little while, but it ultimately failed after a brief time period of relative stability.

It is no longer feasible to attempt this due to the costs and other assorted problems.

It’s obviously not too late. Guilds are paying to transfer to BG as we speak. More will follow. Costs and assorted problems are only an issue when you have to pay…..more? I guess that makes about as much since as kittening about coverage and stacked servers and then……stacking another server.

There are a multitude of things that occurred leading to ND and MERC moving. It’s not as simple as “We were losing”, but I don’t know the whole story, and I really don’t want to know the whole story. Trying to convince guilds to pay to move solely for balancing just isn’t possible.

The skill of one JQ player is equivalent to 2 SOS to 1.3 SOR to 1.4 BG are as follows

1 : 2 : 1.3 : 1.4

Hence it makes sense that some guilds feel restricted in SoS.

I look forward to new and refreshed fights against BG and SOR

VOTF seems like the kind of guild that immensley enjoys gvg combat ( and who can blame them, it is BY FAR the most important and prestigious of situations to be in during wvw.

Their possible destinations:

1) BG, already has a strong euro presence ( VOTF may face queues and their impact will be relatively small) but has many of their allies from SOS there as well.
2) JQ seems like a no go for them. Long time enemies etc.
3) EU server… they would just be part of their regular primetimes and deal with qeues.
4) Kain… good choice, but they still wont get the gvg that i believe they are looking for.
5) SOR… i believe the best choice for them. They will be greatly appreciated here for their contributions AND face BG/JQ euro in tier 1 to satisfy their gvg.

I also agree with a previous poster that VOTF is the jewel of the SOS crown. In any case, good luck to them and gratz to whichever server is lucky to get them.

Not just because I am on SOR, but also for the overall wvw health, i believe VOTF’s next home should be SOR. Also, im ukrainian so i can finally chat with someone…

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

It’s been attempted. Laylyn, a well known figure on Blackgate attempted to balance things out by recommending servers for guilds to move to back after the fall of HoD. It worked for a little while, but it ultimately failed after a brief time period of relative stability.

It is no longer feasible to attempt this due to the costs and other assorted problems.

It’s obviously not too late. Guilds are paying to transfer to BG as we speak. More will follow. Costs and assorted problems are only an issue when you have to pay…..more? I guess that makes about as much since as kittening about coverage and stacked servers and then……stacking another server.

There are a multitude of things that occurred leading to ND and MERC moving. It’s not as simple as “We were losing”, but I don’t know the whole story, and I really don’t want to know the whole story. Trying to convince guilds to pay to move solely for balancing just isn’t possible.

I’m not trying to hammer BG or those guilds that are transferring to it….I’m more making a general statement about these recurring tendencies. It just makes me sad to see the exact same thing happen every 2 months, but somehow it’s suppose to be better this time…..right.

Now we’ll have BG and JQ hammering each other. SoR and Kaineng will trade places getting destroyed by those two with the loser destroying T2. The loser of T2 drops to T3 and destroys that tier. The loser of T3 drops to tier 4 and destroys that tier. Then, once each loser slaughters its lower pop competitors that week, they can cycle back up to get destroyed by the loser above. This is going to be….so fun.

Keep eating popcorns and waiting to see will Foo after posted’I have a dream to build a waypoint on sos Garrison’&’I have a dream to build a waypoint on sor Garrison’
Will they post part 3: ’I have a dream to build a waypoint on bg Garrison’?

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

I’ve given up on ever getting enough people to understand this and make logical decisions. If other people want to spend several weeks of pvedoor or be completely outnumbered to get one week of good fights, that’s there business. I value my time a bit more. So I hop servers every 2-3 weeks, pick a good guild, and fight like crazy for the server I am on. If the server becomes a bandwaggon server, implodes, or something else happens that kills good fights, I move on.

I’d prefer to stick with just one guild that gets it, but so far I haven’t found one.

Haldunius.7864:

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

It’s been attempted. Laylyn, a well known figure on Blackgate attempted to balance things out by recommending servers for guilds to move to back after the fall of HoD. It worked for a little while, but it ultimately failed after a brief time period of relative stability.

It is no longer feasible to attempt this due to the costs and other assorted problems.

It’s obviously not too late. Guilds are paying to transfer to BG as we speak. More will follow. Costs and assorted problems are only an issue when you have to pay…..more? I guess that makes about as much since as kittening about coverage and stacked servers and then……stacking another server.

There are a multitude of things that occurred leading to ND and MERC moving. It’s not as simple as “We were losing”, but I don’t know the whole story, and I really don’t want to know the whole story. Trying to convince guilds to pay to move solely for balancing just isn’t possible.

I’m not trying to hammer BG or those guilds that are transferring to it….I’m more making a general statement about these recurring tendencies. It just makes me sad to see the exact same thing happen every 2 months, but somehow it’s suppose to be better this time…..right.

Now we’ll have BG and JQ hammering each other. SoR and Kaineng will trade places getting destroyed by those two with the loser destroying T2. The loser of T2 drops to T3 and destroys that tier. The loser of T3 drops to tier 4 and destroys that tier. Then, once each loser slaughters its lower pop competitors that week, they can cycle back up to get destroyed by the loser above. This is going to be….so fun.

It upsets me as well, but poor design has lead to this. Stagnation is awful, especially when the matchups are unbalanced. This will cause a mixup which will eventually balance right back to the same dilemma we are in right now.

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

Irony.5203:

Haldunius.7864:

I don’t get why everyone needs to play follow the leader to the next hot server. Why not stop creating 1 or 2 stacked servers and instead balance out the top six servers and actually have fun? If, big if, SoS does go the way of the ET, HoD, SBI, etc we have an opportunity to flesh out TC and FA. It seems some people just like to log-in to win, but if we got 6 servers rotating that could be a lot more fun than becoming the next stacked server for a two months and then imploding.

Striving to reach JQ’s coverage will not be successful for this game with its current population. If anything, JQ should be de-stacking a bit as well to promote the game’s ecosystem.

It’s been attempted. Laylyn, a well known figure on Blackgate attempted to balance things out by recommending servers for guilds to move to back after the fall of HoD. It worked for a little while, but it ultimately failed after a brief time period of relative stability.

It is no longer feasible to attempt this due to the costs and other assorted problems.

It’s obviously not too late. Guilds are paying to transfer to BG as we speak. More will follow. Costs and assorted problems are only an issue when you have to pay…..more? I guess that makes about as much since as kittening about coverage and stacked servers and then……stacking another server.

There are a multitude of things that occurred leading to ND and MERC moving. It’s not as simple as “We were losing”, but I don’t know the whole story, and I really don’t want to know the whole story. Trying to convince guilds to pay to move solely for balancing just isn’t possible.

I’m not trying to hammer BG or those guilds that are transferring to it….I’m more making a general statement about these recurring tendencies. It just makes me sad to see the exact same thing happen every 2 months, but somehow it’s suppose to be better this time…..right.

Now we’ll have BG and JQ hammering each other. SoR and Kaineng will trade places getting destroyed by those two with the loser destroying T2. The loser of T2 drops to T3 and destroys that tier. The loser of T3 drops to tier 4 and destroys that tier. Then, once each loser slaughters its lower pop competitors that week, they can cycle back up to get destroyed by the loser above. This is going to be….so fun.

It upsets me as well, but poor design has lead to this. Stagnation is awful, especially when the matchups are unbalanced. This will cause a mixup which will eventually balance right back to the same dilemma we are in right now.

Yeah, each of these kind of “crisis” moments presents an opportunity to undo all that though. The rating and tier design isn’t the best, but as the “players” we still control the results. If we generated a bunch of somewhat even servers, we could actually test the other servers’ skill instead of coverage gaps and get lots of server diversity.

In the end, I think we are absolutely agreeing on the same thing. We’re both just bummed that this cycle will probably continue.

Awwww sad day. Going to miss the days of seeing 15+ SoS (MERC) charging at me whilst running around… then hightailing it as fast as humanly possible or at least trying to! Starting to think the transfers we (JQ) got did more harm than good. I know we improved tactics during SoS domination so having the transfers was kind of overkill. Just my opinion as casual W3 player.

Just wondering is DiE still on SoS? So many screenshots of chilling/informal dueling/chatting from ages ago. Haven’t W3 in ages since hardware can’t keep up till I upgrade since it’s not fun watching a slideshow when more than 10 people are on the screen.

“Kaineng would love VotF to join us in tier 2; we’ve had some absolutely amazing matchups with BG and TC. On top of that, VotF can look forward to some good competition with BG’s strong EU presence!”

That is assuming that BG will stay in T2, which is already past tense.
VoTF joining SoR will face some good competition opposing JQ and BG already strong in the EU time zone.
At this point there is a need to restore balance against these 2 highly stacked servers that will dominate T1 for a while.
JQ and BG should be the first to support this unless they actually looking for some easy wins.

I think everyone here can agree that the best destination for VOTF is of course SoR , and I am not even saying that because I play on SoR its just the truth. The close runner up server is of course kaineg. SoR’s Euro timeslot really needs a well coordinated guild to help us keep our PPT somewhat competitive. Not only will VOTF be filling an extremely needed timeslot on SoR, but they will also have many euro guilds to fight as well with BG, and JQ. They could of course take the easy way out if they want and move back to Europe or to another server with a healthy Euro population, but if they decide to come to SoR not only would they be extremely appreciated, but they would be working to make the NA tier one matchup much more competitive, and isn’t that what we all really want? Do we really want to just have Kaineg and SoR switching from tier one to tier two getting blown out by BG and JQ or do we want some sort of 3 server competition? I guess that’s the real question at hand. I implore VOTF to please send a representative to SoR (if they have not already) to talk with our leaders to at least check it out first. We at SoR pride ourselves in our outstanding community communication network and with the fact that our server is one of the more relatively stable servers in guild wars 2 since most of our guilds are here to stay until the lights shut off.

“crisis,” “opportunity,” “cycle,” remind you of anything? Engineered? Tribal gamer behavior experiment? Self-perpetuating Socio-political systems in video game software markets experiment? I think that last one makes a good Thesis topic. Enjoy.

I am not suggesting VOTF go to JQ, but anyone who knows anything about JQ EU coverage knows it is just Asian players that stay up late and an Oreo commander. JQ has neither an organized EU guild nor many EU players. Our major ppt time is SEA. Please stop exaggerating our EU coverage. We don’t really have any. Ask VOTF, who capped JQBL Hills almost every day of the week. 30 vs. 10 every time.

Resonance.4216:

Jayne.9251:

Yeah as I was reading through all of this I couldn’t help but feel badly for the folks on SoS who are remaining ….. This has to be hard to read. I’m sorry for that. I hope you guys regroup and surprise everyone

And whilst we’re wishing, I’d like a chocolate fountain made of edible orichalcum.

Is that really necessary?

Resonance.4216:

The reason I chose to go with MERC: T1 wasn’t fun against a server with huge amounts of coverage where SoS had none.

I don’t get this unless you’re talking about wanting to win overall. JQ and SOR will still have a weakness in oceanic timezones when BG get top T1, you’re going to run roughshod over the JQ and SOR players on at that timezone just like you’ve been doing on SOS. Its not like SOS in the oceanic timezone is struggling.

Zen.8497:

“Hoots.9564:

VoTF is the jewel of all the guilds leaving sos so far, will be interesting to see where they land.

That’s still assuming they do leave. Going with the current rumormill though, and say they do transfer, SoR makes the most sense to me as the best destination in the NA bracket, with a big maybe for Kaineng. I still say they end up moving back to the EU servers though

Without wanting to sound like I am trying to recruit, Kaineng would be an excellent destination for any EU guild. It has an NA and Oceanic/SEA that is equal to if not stronger than BG, which is why we did so well against them in previous weeks. However we literally have nothing during EU, and HB gets to plaint the whole map in a boring 4-6 hours against little to no resistance. If we had even 1 major EU guild I rekon we could have beaten BG during the first couple of weeks and would we well on our way to T1.

Just from playing tonight however we are seeing the transfers taking effect and running into 4 big guilds where there used to be only 2 is making things tough, especially in gaining back ground after the EU time zone.

I’ll still be really interested in seeing how this plays out. I think this does a lot to solidify Kaineng’s position in T2 which I think is fantastic given the quality of the fights going on. Past reset night we are never queued and entire guilds can hop map as they please. That in itself is reason enough for me to never want to be in T1 ^^

morrolan.9608:

Resonance.4216:

Jayne.9251:

Yeah as I was reading through all of this I couldn’t help but feel badly for the folks on SoS who are remaining ….. This has to be hard to read. I’m sorry for that. I hope you guys regroup and surprise everyone

And whilst we’re wishing, I’d like a chocolate fountain made of edible orichalcum.

Is that really necessary?

Yeah I read that and figured someone needed a hug lol … Or a nap. BGs got their hands full with him I think. Goodness, I was being nice.

Ignore him. 10 chars

Minoru, are you kidding? SoS has not enough EU coverage to beat SoR and JQ except for times where oceanics go 14 hours of WvW. SoS Oceanic T1 guilds are tired of the 14 hour wvw days and are moving on. SoS americans are having a heck of a time holding ground vs JQ and SoR amer presence (they continue to do a good job for SoS, I am glad for them) but lets face it, SoS cannot compete with JQ or SoR for numbers off oceanic time. SoS has a huge oceanic population and has superior coverage during that time, where as SoR and JQ have great coverage forcing SoS to pick and choose battles more carefully. What I feel happened was JQ has much more organized guilds during oceanics that make a great difference so SoS is limited to less than a 50 ppt lead during oceanics which are made up during EU and NA for JQ and SoR. No body can blame VOTF or the other guilds from wanting a break in the madness for a better rounded server.

This just means SoS will need to go to T2 for a while till SoS recruits more NA and EU guilds.

snacktime.1082:

BG is no more stacked in NA then Sor is. BG is actually well rounded right now, while Sor and JQ are not.

From a pure balance perspective, the best thing would be for JQ and Sor to trade a guild or two, and then once BG moved up all three would be relatively equal.

Not sure what post you are responding to but, I never stated that BG was more stacked in NA time than SoR, nor did I even mention NA. I used the term “stacked” as the previous poster that Vodka was responding to meaning that BG now probably has more depth compared to SoR. To say that JQ is not well rounded and is comparable to SoR in depth means you clearly have not been watching the match up. JQ can pretty much win by the weekend as evidenced by the previous two weekends.

I cannot speak for BG’s strength, but the current SoR (even with this “trading” you speak of) is not on par with JQ’s depth. It just isn’t, period. Doesn’t mean we won’t come out and kick kitten when we are here, but I still strongly disagree with your assessment on the situation.

morrolan.9608:

Resonance.4216:

Jayne.9251:

Yeah as I was reading through all of this I couldn’t help but feel badly for the folks on SoS who are remaining ….. This has to be hard to read. I’m sorry for that. I hope you guys regroup and surprise everyone

And whilst we’re wishing, I’d like a chocolate fountain made of edible orichalcum.

Is that really necessary?

Resonance.4216:

The reason I chose to go with MERC: T1 wasn’t fun against a server with huge amounts of coverage where SoS had none.

I don’t get this unless you’re talking about wanting to win overall. JQ and SOR will still have a weakness in oceanic timezones when BG get top T1, you’re going to run roughshod over the JQ and SOR players on at that timezone just like you’ve been doing on SOS. Its not like SOS in the oceanic timezone is struggling.

The point behind this is that it’s not much fun and leads to burnout if you put in overtime every night, then come back the next day after a nonexistent NA coverage has reduced your entire holdings to breakout events.

Even if JQ and SoR have a “weakness” in Oceanic times (please, have you even heard of Foo?), there’s no point exploiting that if the rest of the day is when YOU have a weakness. Oceania cannot hold up an entire server by itself.

Why are we all talking about VoTF like they are up for auction on Ebay?

I am sure they have done there homework on which server they wish to join and i for one hope they find what they are looking for.

VoxShatterfall.5470:

Minoru, are you kidding? SoS has not enough EU coverage to beat SoR and JQ except for times where oceanics go 14 hours of WvW. SoS Oceanic T1 guilds are tired of the 14 hour wvw days and are moving on. SoS americans are having a heck of a time holding ground vs JQ and SoR amer presence (they continue to do a good job for SoS, I am glad for them) but lets face it, SoS cannot compete with JQ or SoR for numbers off oceanic time. SoS has a huge oceanic population and has superior coverage during that time, where as SoR and JQ have great coverage forcing SoS to pick and choose battles more carefully. What I feel happened was JQ has much more organized guilds during oceanics that make a great difference so SoS is limited to less than a 50 ppt lead during oceanics which are made up during EU and NA for JQ and SoR. No body can blame VOTF or the other guilds from wanting a break in the madness for a better rounded server.

This just means SoS will need to go to T2 for a while till SoS recruits more NA and EU guilds.

Your post is hard to follow, and I’m not sure you understood my point, so I’ll reiterate: JQ has no major Eu guilds. Our EU coverage is primarily made up of Asians who stay up late and a few solo EU players. I won’t respond further since most forum posters seem to be unable to handle anything other than JQ is stacked 24/7. We have a lot of WvW guilds, yes; however, non of them play during EU time with any significant numbers.

People pointing fingers at one guild for people bailing SOS need to step away from videogames and find reality

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Zen.8497:

“Hoots.9564:

VoTF is the jewel of all the guilds leaving sos so far, will be interesting to see where they land.

That’s still assuming they do leave. Going with the current rumormill though, and say they do transfer, SoR makes the most sense to me as the best destination in the NA bracket, with a big maybe for Kaineng. I still say they end up moving back to the EU servers though

Without wanting to sound like I am trying to recruit, Kaineng would be an excellent destination for any EU guild. It has an NA and Oceanic/SEA that is equal to if not stronger than BG, which is why we did so well against them in previous weeks. However we literally have nothing during EU, and HB gets to plaint the whole map in a boring 4-6 hours against little to no resistance. If we had even 1 major EU guild I rekon we could have beaten BG during the first couple of weeks and would we well on our way to T1.

Just from playing tonight however we are seeing the transfers taking effect and running into 4 big guilds where there used to be only 2 is making things tough, especially in gaining back ground after the EU time zone.

I’ll still be really interested in seeing how this plays out. I think this does a lot to solidify Kaineng’s position in T2 which I think is fantastic given the quality of the fights going on. Past reset night we are never queued and entire guilds can hop map as they please. That in itself is reason enough for me to never want to be in T1 ^^

Income evolution for the past 2 weeks shows Kain only has the advantage during Oceanic where you get to paint the whole map in a boring 4-6 hours against little to no resistance.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/51/22
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/51/21

Brassnautilus.2941:

Those that thought this super-server raise and fall thing will continue are terribly misinformed. Only reason SoS guilds has this way out (going to BG) was because all those rich Thai on BG, who could offer nothing more than cash (to buy gold). You guys expecting them to shoulder coverage during SEA time, think again. Those people barely had the fps to play AC, TA el oh el.

Well i usually not getting bait to post here but since you specifically mentioned us. I have to say you’re wrong on those accusations. We, [Thai]Thai Alliance of Blackgate, are not offer any guilds lump of cash to transfer to Blackgate ever. You may think we’re rich because of all the legendaries we have but that’s not involving with the transfer of SoS guilds at all. They come at their own will, not because of gold. Stop throwing false accusations that insulting players please.

And to the point that we barely have fps to play kitten. This is just lol, you can look through my signature and see our youtube video link from proof. I personally have 40-60 fps and we kill kitten tons of people during SEA from SoS domination era to JQ era then now WM era and their kaineng gang.

I dunno where the hell you from or why you have to specifically mention us, but please spare us (Thai people) some respect.

To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”

VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.

There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.

This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout

I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game.

“To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”

VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.

There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.

This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout

I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game."

Let me guess you are just an disinterested JQ player and you just want what is best for VoTF right? You are very inconspicuous my friend

This thread does not deliver. But in its defense…. the subject simply made that impossible.

IF I was VoTF, I would go fight for whichever EU server is fighting RG. just saying, you want competition, there it is . . .

Zen.8497:

“To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”

VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.

There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.

This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout

I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game."

Let me guess you are just an disinterested JQ player and you just want what is best for VoTF right? You are very inconspicuous my friend

I’m surprised how fast people jump to conclusion that I am a JQ player. NO, I am not from JQ, from SoS.

Or VoTF could transfer FA and give us the ability to make another T2 competitive server.

We have NA guilds, we have a ton of oceanics…we have no SEA/EU

Zen.8497:

“To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”

VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.

There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.

This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout

I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game."

Let me guess you are just an disinterested JQ player and you just want what is best for VoTF right? You are very inconspicuous my friend

There is a quote button for a reason. Use it.

I’ve always been in SoS and I have no intention of leaving it for any reason. Oceanics will always be here. With the patch for wvw being delayed further, I don’t even see any reason to do wvw at the moment. At least this will give us some space to focus on Guild Missions.

Everyone is trying to get a stake at VoTF lol, sounds like a bidding war and who will pay the most gold.

VoTF should stay in T1 servers – JQ, BG or SOR, they have no reason to go to T2 servers like KN, TC, FA, SOS since their is no competition for them. If you know VoTF they like the big open field battles against larger zergs, which is not present in T2 servers. Also no disrepect but imo they shouldn’t go to KN, because KN won’t even stand a chance in T1 if they get there.

If and when the new SOS drops to T2, and join TC FA and KN, i believe it will actually be pretty balanced

Bloody kittens. Did anyone finish listening to the youtube link? I’ll remind you that I was looking for a response to that. Does everyone have ADHD? The statistical odds do not account for the silence. Public is public. But I told you in plain language who the audience was…

Sea of Sorrows. Past & Present.

From skimming past the majority of post it’s clear that people would rather jump to conclusions based on the minimal data presented rather than employ some sense of empathy or logical decision making. I have told the our reasing to the majority of SoS guild leaders as well as some prominent figure heads from other servers as to why the decision was made. The choice to move came from a range of variables stemming from internal guild factors, to the community, to game design and purpose. Since a lot of people have asked in game and there are probably a few who are genuinely curious in this thread we summarized as:

- We want to play where we have a more competitive battlefield on a 24/7 basis as opposed to having swings in population ratios which ultimately lead to high volatility in the scores.
- We want to have sense of buffer on server in the adjacent time zones so we’re not logging on to sub 80 ppt and that when we log off there are still other guilds operating and coming on. This really destroyed our sense of purpose in the game; Our efforts felt futile and most of leaders didn’t want to tag up or log on.
- This is a minor point as well but I’ll say it regardless. We felt obliged to taking steps to shape the game in a way that tier 1 can be competitive again. Since no one else wanted to come to us we had to suck it up and go to them.

This will be my first and final post on the matter as I has no wish to go swimming just yet.

My favor thing about this thread, is how SOS complained for 4? weeks now that JQ was stacked, so they all moved to a server that was already competitive in T1 the last time it was there.

How about you guys do what you advocated JQ to do, and not all stack up on one server, SOR could use some help too.