Guild Wars 2

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Guild Claiming—Cloaking Waters: Reduced stealth duration from 1.5 minutes to 1 minute. Also fixed a bug that allowed the fountains to be destroyed, preventing the fountains from providing stealth to allies.
Fixed a bug that caused keeps to mark nearby enemy players incorrectly.

It still seems scary to me, but I’m not really an EBG person. However, given all the hubbub over this before and after its implementation, I’m wondering how the rest of you feel.

I think its too early to call for a nerf since cloaking waters barely ever worked.

1.5 minutes could get from SMC to ogrewatch with time to setup the bomb before the buff wore out.

Just lol. 1 minute stealth!! On a WvW map?! Why tweak such “features”, anyone thinks at Anet that we go to WvW to avoid each other? Truly?

It’s a bullkitten “feature” that only helps the strongest server. It should be removed entirely.

Who was the kitten that said, "Hey do you guys remember culling? Wouldn’t it be fun to have that game breaking bug back again? "

I’m looking forward to the next “feature” that allows you to fly if you get over 400ppt. That way whoever is winning can just speed up their karma train and not have to waste money on siege.

Should be removed…..

Remove it entirely, along with the other garbage

Considering it was often bugged and worked for 0 minutes, the Nerf doesn’t really seem like a Nerf at all…

This just shows how out of touch they still are despite all their talk of improving WvW.

Aeolus.3615:

Should be removed…..

With this guy, stupid gimmicky idea, remove please.

Agree with the above several posts about removal. Puck.9612 said it best when he said, "Who was the kitten that said, "Hey do you guys remember culling? Wouldn’t it be fun to have that game breaking bug back again? "

Nailed it, Puck. Kudos to you.

stealth mode overhauled…

X T D.6458:

Remove it entirely, along with the other garbage

This. Just remove, please.

Complete invisibility stealth in itself is a kittenty mechanic in context of the surrounding systems in GW2.

Virtute.8251:

Complete invisibility stealth in itself is a kittenty mechanic for surrounding systems in GW2.

Its like they thought people love fighting perma stealth thieves and mesmers, so they came up with a brilliant idea…LETS MAKE IT SO AN ENTIRE ZERG CAN GO INVISIBLE, just by pulling a lever…why anet…just why….

If there is any silver lining about this crap, it’s at least this specific gimmick is unique to only SMC…

lioka qiao.8734:

I think its too early to call for a nerf since cloaking waters barely ever worked.

1.5 minutes could get from SMC to ogrewatch with time to setup the bomb before the buff wore out.

That’s not the problem I find, because once you unstealth it is basically a long duration veil. The problem is once the fountain is up then you can reuse it over and over.

Aeowia.7214:

Just lol. 1 minute stealth!! On a WvW map?! Why tweak such “features”, anyone thinks at Anet that we go to WvW to avoid each other? Truly?

You would think that with all the stealth that has been added since launch.

These gimmicks need to be removed period.

X T D.6458:

Remove it entirely, along with the other garbage

+1.
Wtf is it even doing in a PvP mode.

Sirendor.1394:

X T D.6458:

Remove it entirely, along with the other garbage

+1.
Wtf is it even doing in a PvP mode.

I see it has a a gimmick introduced to avoid larger ammounts of skills being used:
Avoids the other server having reaction time to spam skills, and that causes less calcs from server side.
It is suposesed to work like a memory flush button lol.

What is the CD on CW?? 5 minutes?

Less people clicking, less lag, faster win, every 5 minutes.

This was due to the overwhelming positive feedback that people found stealth very fun to fight, and there should be more of it, especially in an open area where you don’t get penalized for capture point contribution as you would in pvp.

Oh wait.

It’s still detrimental to the game mode and should just be removed or replaced. The stealth buff in the desert borderland is good because it’s localised and easy to counter by just taking a shrine. The fountain stealth buff is just silly because it allows entire zergs to move from stonemist to their chosen location with no threat of being spotted. How is that interesting or exciting for anyone involved? I didn’t even realise the fountain could be destroyed – surely that was a good thing?

Anyway, it’s just another feature that gets in the way of the player-player interaction that is the foundation of the game mode.

Please remove it. That kind of things should not exist in pvp.

Btw, if people wants stealth theres alot of skills to be used already….people need to learn to use skill cleverlly not just add a stealth fountain..

Anet be clever improve gameplay trough combat and less trough gimmicks avaliable…
having a few gimmicks it is nice once in a while but…theres a limit.

what if they tweaked it so you could only get the stealth if you have the outnumbered buff? that might be kinda cool.

Stand The Wall.6987:

what if they tweaked it so you could only get the stealth if you have the outnumbered buff? that might be kinda cool.

That wouldnt work properly since its a built guild upgrade and needs to be activated from inside. Outnumbered is an effect, not a buff, so there is the added problem of giving an unfair advantage.

Stand The Wall.6987:

what if they tweaked it so you could only get the stealth if you have the outnumbered buff? that might be kinda cool.

If you are outnumbered you wont hold SM for long….

The feedback on the beta was overwhelming and clear: this (and other) tactics have no place in WvW.

X T D.6458:

That wouldnt work properly since its a built guild upgrade and needs to be activated from inside. Outnumbered is an effect, not a buff, so there is the added problem of giving an unfair advantage.

i just wiki’d sm. havent played wvw at all for a while now and i finally see why people are revolting. stuff like minor supply drop, sabotage depot, iron guard and hardened gates seem ok to me. well nvm hardened gates should be baseline.

Aezyr.5304:

If you are outnumbered you wont hold SM for long….

The feedback on the beta was overwhelming and clear: this (and other) tactics have no place in WvW.

my thought was if the stealth could only be used by smaller servers (and it had a t1 req) then smaller servers could stand a chance by backcapping. then i realized this is a bad idea because it forces the other servers to continually chase after them (backcapping bad).

Nerf? Get rid of that crap.

If they get rid of the stealth fountain (which they should), they’re going to have a lot of unhappy people who grinded their balls off getting the upgrades. The funny thing is, if they hadn’t made everything so grindy this wouldn’t be a problem. They doubly screwed themselves here.

Of course, it could be that they don’t want to get rid of the fountain because they think it’s a great mechanic. That’s most likely the case.

Aeowia.7214:

Just lol. 1 minute stealth!! On a WvW map?! Why tweak such “features”, anyone thinks at Anet that we go to WvW to avoid each other? Truly?

yep its like anet forgotten the time when we had culling. REMEMBER ANET!!!! it took them sooo long to finally fix culling and everyone was so happy…. and they introduce a 1 MINUTE ( not a few seconds) stealth mechaninc for ENTIRE zergs….. its so stupid that i wanna slap who ever invented this mechanic… anet please remove all guild gimmicks from wvw and give us something that is not breaking wvw even more.

Lord Kuru.3685:

If they get rid of the stealth fountain (which they should), they’re going to have a lot of unhappy people who grinded their balls off getting the upgrades. The funny thing is, if they hadn’t made everything so grindy this wouldn’t be a problem. They doubly screwed themselves here.

Of course, it could be that they don’t want to get rid of the fountain because they think it’s a great mechanic. That’s most likely the case.

I’m sure it would kitten off a few people if they removed it, but there is also a good amount of players that are kittened off that it exists in the first place.

The question is who is the bigger group, and is it healthier to have it in the game or to admit they made a mistake and remove it.
Judging by the responses in this thread I think they are better off removing it.

ANet can refund the material resources used to research the upgrade. That precedent is already set.

This ‘feature’ never should have been introduced. Just refund the gold to those guilds – shouldn’t be too many lel…

Cloaking waters should have never made it to the game. Just remove it entirely!

One little baby step at a time, that’s the way ANet. Now all you need to do is remove it completely!

Bravo!

Just remove it. Upgrades across the board need looked at.

It is OP still. Very OP actually.

its kitten and needs to get removed. dev who came up with the idea needs to be slapped aswell. I volunteer because its new levels of dumb even compared to all we’ve been through. 4th post by Puck has it nailed.

WvWvW is meant to be unbalanced. It’s war and you knew what you were getting into.

:3

No but seriously Anet, ditch this upgrade since you’re effectively reintroducing culling. Now there is a real power creep in the mix thanks to prior changes to traits and stability combined with other HoT goodies. Combat is becoming depressing and that was a major selling point for GW2. Public test servers are in order I think.

Straegen.2938:

It is OP still. Very OP actually.

Balanced by gw2 standards, so it means could be a bit, just a little bit more stronger like:

Payers should keep invisible for the next 5 minutes, even if they use skills, that actually would fit the game, use gimmick to win, be clever by being a cheap player etc, would fit the theme, lots of skill yeah.

That will be the next guild upgrade they introduce. It will cost a few thousand of some kittenty PvE drop that you find on one of the HoT maps.

Puck.9612, :\ why i do feel Anet would really introduce something like that…? and pretend that would be an amazing and fun thing..?

Aeolus.3615:

Puck.9612, :\ why i do feel Anet would really introduce something like that…? and pretend that would be an amazing and fun thing..?

Experience.

Another ‘Tactivator’ that just needs to be removed. Remove them all and WvW will be better.

Puck.9612:

Aeolus.3615:

Puck.9612, :\ why i do feel Anet would really introduce something like that…? and pretend that would be an amazing and fun thing..?

Experience.

Well, A.Net did say that all WvW players were really PvE’ers. So you see what you get…..