Guild Wars 2

Sorry for my English but I must post it to cool down, I really need it.

I represent a guild of players who did not play more than a year. So , we decided come back to play GW2 as we do before basically in WvW. I did a lot of work to make players return and play on WvW as old good times, so after 3 days I’am freaking MAD !

What the hell you did with WvW ? Now its became typically kind of brainless spvp ! How do you think melee class should fight in pvp 40 vs 40 pelayers ? I able to forgive you stacks of stability but how the hell I should dodge 18k dmg hits in such massive fights ?18k dmg hits while i got 3k armor ! and I did not even mention damage from burning and confusion ! Why you didnt make all this changes for spvp only like you do before ? People already leaving game after 3 days and difenetly not going to buy your addon. Good job anet, you turn a very good gameplay in a pice of…

JonPeters.5630:

Just getting these out there so we know we are all in agreement:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong
2) World bosses are currently too easy
3) There are some bugged skills and traits
4) There are some overpowered builds

We won’t fix it all at once but these are four large topics we are talking about. In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses. We are dedicating time towards these issues and are intending to resolve them as quickly as possible. As we have said before, the live environment differs too greatly from anything we can reliably simulate internally so big changes like today’s build will cause things to sometimes change at an alarming rateTM.

Thanks for your patience,

Jon

Quote from the dev’s in general discussion.

It is harsh for melee right now, pretty much instagibbed if you try to dive in. Get your glass cannon range and board the nearest pirate ship until they fix it.

Also, WvW has always had the zergs unless you were on a low wvw-pop server. So either you’re misremembering something, or your server became more popular, and thus got big zergs.

Burning seems a bit strong. All other conditions are kitten and need boost.

Junkpile.7439:

Burning seems a bit strong. All other conditions are kitten and need boost.

Conditions are more than fine where they are at. If ANet were to make them stronger, then they would need to give more classes access to resistance and/or bring in more stats required to make conditions effective. It’s completely ludicrous to ask that power builds use gear with power, percision, and ferocity for max dmg potential while condition only really needs condition dmg in gear.

That is what the hell happened to wvw
-Thief-

2 Years Ago

" 13000er Backstab hit? Where is the challenge? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/13000er-Backstab-hit-Where-is-the-challenge/first#post345115

“Why a thief can hit me with 1923 toughness with 9088 and is 2 seconds also invisible?
He is selected but invisible, wtf? Thats overpowerd and not fair. I mean the invisible.
Damage is ok. Thief can kill everyone with 2-3 backstabs”. Arena net close thread.

" Im tromatized now "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Im-tromatized-now/first#post319321

“I just got hit with backstab 13.8k followed by hearthseeker 3k +3k on my gardian”.
Arena net close thread

" Cloak n Dagger 7.3k, backstab 12.7k "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Cloak-n-Dagger-7-3k-backstab-12-7k

“I was pretty impressed. This thief instabgibbed my thief. Currently im running 20/30/0/20/0 w/15k health, all zerker exotic.
Basically, he came outta stealth, stole on me, cnd’d me and backstabbed = dead”. Arena net close thread.

" Thief cheating is too common in WvW "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-cheating-is-too-common-in-WvW

“I’ve had invisible thieves magically catch up to me while I have a huge lead and a speed buff. When they get to me, they still have plenty of initiative to quickly stun and finish me off.
I’ve had thieves take me down to 0 health nearly instantly”

" 25k Backstab = Skillz "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/25k-Backstab-Skillz/first#post381021

" Anet….Backstab + 150% Dmg Signet + 5 Mights "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Anet-Backstab-150-Dmg-Signet-5-Mights

“The problem isnt backstab tho it what it does with other abilities / traites. These massive hits are coming from glass canon builds using Backstab + 150% damage signet along with a trait that gives 5 stacks of might for using that signet.
example, a 15k crit backstab would have only been around 9k damage without the signet and might. the actual backstab without a crit would have been around 4.5 k damage”.

" Thief one-shot? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-one-shot/first#post450335

“Hi guys I wanted to ask you questions about the thief … today happened to me a very strange thing, when I was a thief SPvP appeared behind me and killed me (crit 16/17k) as you can? know this build?”

" [Video] Thief PvP | Game of Trolls – Stab you "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Video-Thief-PvP-Game-of-Trolls-Stab-you/first#post458680
‘11K+ Backstab’

" Don’t you dare touch Backstab "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Don-t-you-dare-touch-Backstab

" You Sir hit the nail on the head. No class should be able to profit from spamming just one or two abilities, whether it’s a thief or not "

" Someone has recently posted an 18k backstab in the sPvP forum, it is simply beyond stupid and makes a mockery of a game that supposedly has a high skill cap.
As for the excuses about being a glass cannon, thief is ezmode as a glass cannon, which is precisely why so many play it, you can get away with playing a glass cannon when stealth, moblity + escapability combine with ridiculous damage to give a far more survivable glass cannon then you get for most other classes".

" No wonder this game has dropped from top 3 on Twitch to 32 as I speak, esport don’t"

1 Year Ago

" So I just took 12k dmg from backstab "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/So-I-just-took-12k-dmg-from-backstab

“What is the logic behind this balance? I’ve been repeatedly killed by thieves in 2, yes count them TWO hits in WvW tonight. What is the logic behind giving a class the ability to immobilize me, then 2-shot me, all in the span of less than one second, from stealth. I’m running full level 80 exotic soldier (PVT) gear, 21k hp.” 1st new year thread oabout thief High BackStab damage 12K+: Arena net close the thread?

" come one please, nerf stealth "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/come-one-please-nerf-stealth

“its totally insane how a class with stealth can just pop it and even when hit directly remain in stealth, classes like thief just stealth spam using cloak and dagger and reset a fight at will, it takes no great feat of skill to just spam stealth nonstop stabing a player who has no clue where you are. yes I have an 80 thief” Arena net close thread.

" Thief Stealth = Worst Mistake In The Game "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Stealth-Worst-Mistake-In-The-Game

“So other then Thieves that rely on the games most broken mechanic anyone else think that it is LONG over due that Anet pull the finger out and fix Stealth? Is it not bad enough they have obscene damage and movement they have to have the most broken mechanic in the game”.

“Sure i know the Thieves will come screaming “L2P” and such but anyone else think this mechanic is seriously in need of being fixed. Why is it that Stealth in other MMO is a “Use at right time” mechanic but here its “lol spam, spam, spam” mechanic…”

" How to get 10k BS Thief? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/How-to-get-10k-BS-Thief

“I’ve seen some people get up to 10k backstabs on people in WVW and I’m just wondering what would be optimal to get numbers like that?”

" Why is this acceptable? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Why-is-this-acceptable/page/3#post3105391

“All of this damage was done in the span of about two to three seconds. I was dead before I even had a chance to react. This is running full Toughness/Vitality exotics with ascended trinkets” Arena net close thread

Recent

" One shotted" by theif, 18519 damage "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/One-shotted-by-theif-18519-damage/first#post5220626

“It was across 4 hits but they were all at once for the most part, the biggest being 9090. He jumped on me and I was down, period, gone. I have WvW’d enough to be in the silver ranks, I have NEVER died this fast, ever. This patch is broken, fix it”

" Two Shotted in WvW since Jun 23 patch "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Two-Shotted-in-WvW-since-Jun-23-patch/first#post5225834

“I am not sure if this is a problem in PvP, but in WvW I am getting Two Shotted now since yesterday’s patch and this just sucks…!”

“Anyone else?”

“Mesmers, Thiefs and certain Warri skills is the worst. I run tanky condi builds on my classes and one shot eats like 90% of my HP seriously!”

Results:

2015> 2012
83% Of Back Stab Reports : Arena net Close
0 Step Forward, 3 Steps Back

For an 18k burst:

1.) You got hit by a full glass-cannon thief that runs no utility skills, no defense, extra might, and no condition cleansing which caught you off guard (nothing really new, I’ve been hitting 20k+ since even the ferocity nerf patch).

2.) You got hit by a glass cannon warrior or guardian using one of their major bombs (Eviscerate or Shield of Wrath explosion (18k is nothing new here, either).

3.) Burning shenanigans from multiple people (guards and eles can stack 10k AoE burning tickseach in under six seconds), which is overpowered as a whole but you stood in place (expect this to be nerfed soon enough as it’s known as an issue by ANet).

4.) You got hit by a glass cannon mesmer going all-in with some supported might stacks (same deal as above in that it’s really not anything new).

5.) A glass cannon Engineer is abusing the bugged grenade kit which currently deals double damage, which again, is a bug.

6.) A Necro hit you while under the effects of Lich Form with supported might stacks (again, nothing new, as LF autos have one of the highest damage coefficients of all skills in the game)

7.) A glass cannon ranger pulled out all the stops and used Rapid Fire on you with supported might stacks (again, nothing new).

→ metabattle.com
pro tip dont try to play a tank its useless

Did not seen any 13k+ dmg backstubs 2 years ago
I got 20k hp and 3k armor. It was 7-8k dmg from backstub maximum so It was easy to fight against it. Also this is melee dmg, not even close with new oneshot meta from necromancer or mesmer.
btw for us WvW was something more than brainless fight. It was intersting skill based pvp at first, not in blob mostly in guild raid against another guild raid. Now its dead.

idk wat u r doing but i am smashing players left and right
git gud it takes skill to burst down players before they call for backup

Try using wall of reflection in your blobs but yeah life is dangerous for the melee train right now.

Rhapsody.1085:

Try using wall of reflection in your blobs but yeah life is dangerous for the melee train right now.

BAsically getting into close combat is no longer viable at all. No wonder guard will become ranged support with HoT. Don’t get me wrong i understand that if 5 peeps run into 20 people they should die quickly. But melee trains melt so fast they can barely move close to the enemy. Who spams the most aoe wins instead of coordinating your good aoe skills with the CC lockdown of heavies. Would also explain the stability changes as there arent many ranged stuns besides static field so who needs a proper duration/stacks of stability?

Was running with 4 staff ele’s and 2 mesmers and we performed better against 10/15 man groups then with our own 15 man group with a heavier oriented setup. I can understand ANET wanted less focus on heavy classes in WvW but to me its better to change the classes not often used into groups to give them things to contribute better then to just nerf heavies(tanky classes) to a point its useless to run them.

This even further removes skill from group play as with the stability changes. It has become extremely hard to fight bigger groups as they simply have more aoe and it is near impossible to get close enough to CC them so they cant use their skills. In my opinion a good organisation should be very rewarding and that is slowly being stripped away.

Dopamine.7502:

BAsically getting into close combat is no longer viable at all.

If you have a long ranged squishy high damage class, and short ranged tanky class. Who wins out? Well they’d be even matched in this circumstance. But what happens if you stack squish? The squish wins, because they can nuke anyone before they get close enough. This is a problem in a lot of games. You need counter mechanics like spell reflects, shields, stealth, terrain, etc.

And let’s not forget there are still a number of broken skills right now, grenades piercing, symbols, etc. So it’s really hard to tell what are unbalances and an abuse of in game bugs (not saying people should be banned or every engineer is exploiting if they have grenades.) Going to be a rough few weeks while they iron it all out I guess.