Guild Wars 2

Just wondering why WXP and ability points are not account bound ? it opens up many roles to different players

All you have to do is spend them the one time per charater at beginning of season ?

A lot of players have multiple lvl 80 chars but because of way wxp and abilities work atm they stick to 1 character , Each character should have account bound abilities and rank , atm im 63 on my war , 22 on my guard and 17 on my ranger , but i will not play the guard n ranger much as theyre not really progressing

really hope the rank and abilities are made account wide so i can choose a diffrent play style per season

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Yes… They need to make it more Alt friendly…

I actually play 2 chars (because i need to, but i would stick with one too).

Elementalist – rank 466 (the one i use to raid with my guild)
Guardian – Rank 145 (the one i use to comand pugs)

But i also have my Necro and Warrior fully equiped for WvW, and i don’t play with them since the WxP patch…

A good solution is to make all wXP account rank , And the abilities you can spend only once per season per character :P

I agree I play 5 characters in WvW and they are all below rank 70 as I play them all in different situations I wish they would bring account bound WXP points so I could use my 300 points on each character to make them useful as at the moment you are completely handicapping yourself if you don’t play one toon in WvW and this is wrong ….. Rant over!!

Unspent rank should be account bound. Thus accumulated rank can be spent one time on any character. Once spent it is soulbound unless Anet resets the WvW rank.

I don’t think that if character A earns 10 points, for example, that he should be able to spend 10 points on A and B and C. He should be able to spend 10 points one time on whichever character he chooses. He should be able to break up the 10 points across characters thus give A three points, B four points and C 3 points.

It’s actually stopped me from playing my alts, that along with ascended gear.

If your not running with ascended gear and you don’t have your leech/guard stacks you make it harder for yourself and will not be taken as seriously.

Play how you want, but this is not an alt friendly system.

SoPP.7034:

Play how you want, but this is not an alt friendly system.

And it should not be either, imho. WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements). But hey, given all the whining from many here, I have no doubt that ANet will cave and cater to the minority, that’s right, the MINORITY, rather than the majority who simply accept the current WvW exp and rank system for what it is…per individual toon.

Yeap they need to make wvw alt frendly

Rigel.3092:

And it should not be either, imho. WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements). But hey, given all the whining from many here, I have no doubt that ANet will cave and cater to the minority, that’s right, the MINORITY, rather than the majority who simply accept the current WvW exp and rank system for what it is…per individual toon.

Ooh, such a forceful opinion! It’s okay, I’ve left my other 7 level 80s with various 30-50 rank to node gather in Frostgorge.

I wish they’d return karma and gold to character bound. Shows toon progression, you know. In fact, everything should be character bound. I’m not feeling the love enough on my one character…why should the other 7 get all the benefits just because I play on one? What a silly system.

Anet, it’s time to make a stand:
CHARACTER BOUND EVERYTHING
That’ll make all these single character supporters, obviously non-whiners, majority speaking players happy! YAY!

Decrypter.1785:

A good solution is to make all wXP account rank , And the abilities you can spend only once per season per character :P

This seems like a completely reasonable compromise to me.

So, for example, if you have a total of 100 ranks across all of your guys you can choose to spend 100 points on one, or 50 each on two, or break it down however you like. This punishes you for having alts (satisfying anet’s goal) and lets you make use of all your points on one guy if that’s what you want.

account bound points its kinda extreme and defeats the purpose, but the unused points to make it account bound so u can use it on an alt later its good actually, just like liquid wvx.

Rigel.3092:

SoPP.7034:

Play how you want, but this is not an alt friendly system.

And it should not be either, imho. WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements). But hey, given all the whining from many here, I have no doubt that ANet will cave and cater to the minority, that’s right, the MINORITY, rather than the majority who simply accept the current WvW exp and rank system for what it is…per individual toon.

I’m sorry, but it is the MINORITY that want it Character Bound. The MAJORITY want it ACCOUNT bound. I cannot recall anyone saying otherwise as we’ve discussed this. We accept it as is currently, but it only hurts ANET to keep it as is, as any incentive to buy additional character slots for a WvW player is reduced by keeping it as is.

Duh we need account-bound WXP and ranks. It’s horrible like it is now and only serves to widen the gap between long time -players and new ones. Ascended is the same route…
A lot of WvW players I know (I’m a WvW-only player myself), don’t bother getting ascended.

Decrypter.1785:

A good solution is to make all wXP account rank , And the abilities you can spend only once per season per character :P

This! Why isnt Wxp account bound? Then we can spend the traits into whatever abilities we want per character. It isnt like we are new to WvW.

I agree, WvW is not alt friendly, at all.

honestly, I can not really understand this discussion.

What do you mean by alt-friendly?
What you can do is: play alts
If you play alts they will progress.
If you do not play alts, they will not progress…

What is the problem? If you did play an alt and it progressed to lvl 120 you enjoy the selected features, but it is not that you can’t play a new alt without them.
Works just fine.

You maybe do not want because it is more comfortable with the old alt, but…well if you make a new toon it starts lvl1 too and you will have to play with it to get some levels and skills.

How very unfriendly? I think not.
WXP system is not comparable with gold, it is comparable with character rank and nobody ever complained about that…or did they?

I have to admit I am biased, because I change toon as I feel like and I am proud owner of 4 alts between lvl 39 and 32. Hurray.

The only thing bugging me: to remember which one has some arrow cart and which one some mortar mastery.. or was it the other one…or….how was that again?
As you cannot see it at a glance, like your selected skills.

So actually my question is: why can I not select my WvWskills as I see fit and need, out of combat but have a wider selection if I am more advanced in a toon like in character progression?
Why do we have to have this quite gruesome powercreep system?

Why Alt Unfreindley ?

Yes. A lot of players wonder why Anet promote playing of only 1 character in GW2.

Its strange given the more characters a player has, more chance of spending real $ on gems but there you go…

strange that Anet gives you five character slots and sells more character slots for gems….do they want alts or not?

Rigel.3092:

SoPP.7034:

Play how you want, but this is not an alt friendly system.

And it should not be either, imho. WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements). But hey, given all the whining from many here, I have no doubt that ANet will cave and cater to the minority, that’s right, the MINORITY, rather than the majority who simply accept the current WvW exp and rank system for what it is…per individual toon.

What he means to say is this:

“I have more time to play than you, and therefore I can do this silly grind on multiple toons *DANGIT MOM I”M TYPING A FORUM POST*, sorry but I don’t want you to be on my level, unless you’ve done the grind. I did it, and I am super cool, DANGIT MOM I SAID NACHOS, NACHOS!!!!!."

Sometimes I feel not playing my gl/af/ac/treb/balli/etc mastery character. I feel burned out. So I log on another, just for a change of pace… and feel like a newbie. I am NOT having fun feeling like a newbie on a character of mine, just because I prefer playing the majority of my time on another. And you know…. games are supposed to be played FOR fun.
Meh, on another side it makes sense progress is character bound – look at PvP, everything there is character bound so you don’t start from a high level with a new class and get your kitten handed to you. Oh… wait…

Jackal.8263:

Rigel.3092:

SoPP.7034:

Play how you want, but this is not an alt friendly system.

And it should not be either, imho. WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements). But hey, given all the whining from many here, I have no doubt that ANet will cave and cater to the minority, that’s right, the MINORITY, rather than the majority who simply accept the current WvW exp and rank system for what it is…per individual toon.

What he means to say is this:

“I have more time to play than you, and therefore I can do this silly grind on multiple toons *DANGIT MOM I”M TYPING A FORUM POST*, sorry but I don’t want you to be on my level, unless you’ve done the grind. I did it, and I am super cool, DANGIT MOM I SAID NACHOS, NACHOS!!!!!."

Superb translation skills. Well done.

“Meh, on another side it makes sense progress is character bound – look at PvP, everything there is character bound so you don’t start from a high level with a new class and get your kitten handed to you. Oh… wait…”

This is exactly how I feel… Many of us feel…

I’m mostly playing one character in WvW – a ranger.
When I take another char, I feel I’m punished – and that i’m punishing my team.
We are not many to play at my hours, so all up are welcome. When They say – someone with the ups to take the ram / the treb / the ac? Oh, Sayella’s there, here, take it. I feel bad to say – Sorry no ups on this character – Go get your ranger!
So I come back with my ranger that has most of the needed ups… (Would you believe a ranger is wanted in WvW?)

Anyway. I do understand about progression, about people who wants to put their points according to the class…

But I find it bad that the more I play my ranger, the stronger it becomes, the less attractive my other char become.

It is already bad enough that laurels are needed for pretty much all elevated items, which makes it hard to stuff all characters – If I feel useless on top of that when I play an alt, yes, it does takes most of the fun away…

On a side note, I never understood why was sPvP points account bound. If I gain 14 levels with a class, that level 14 that shows on another class is absolutely not meaningful, imho… but that’s another topic…

Wxp not being account bound is the reason I don’t generally bring in any alts. I only bring in an Alt if it’s required for a specific mission.. aside from that, my main is the only one who will ever step in WvW until this is changed.

Jocksy.3415:

Anyway. I do understand about progression, about people who wants to put their points according to the class…

But I find it bad that the more I play my ranger, the stronger it becomes, the less attractive my other char become.

It is already bad enough that laurels are needed for pretty much all elevated items, which makes it hard to stuff all characters – If I feel useless on top of that when I play an alt, yes, it does takes most of the fun away…

The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.

Laurels and ascended, I am on board with you on this. They made the biggest mistake not having some sort of wvw only way of getting ascended trinkets. Fractals suck.

WXP should not be account bound. As a player who plays 2 characters in WvW, that is my opinion.

Jackal.8263:

What he means to say is this:

“I have more time to play than you, and therefore I can do this silly grind on multiple toons *DANGIT MOM I”M TYPING A FORUM POST*, sorry but I don’t want you to be on my level, unless you’ve done the grind. I did it, and I am super cool, DANGIT MOM I SAID NACHOS, NACHOS!!!!!."

What is this? Seriously, how about you be more mature, or are you actually 5 years old?

Every time someone asks this question, there’s that guy that says “but it’s character progression”, as if that was the issue on the table. The question is WHY, did they design it like this and I haven’t seen a single reason other than “I want an advantage, please don’t take this away from me” type answers.

Gumby.1708:

Maybe they want to sell more wxp boosters … which i wont buy because a really minor boost on a short time limit for one character doesnt sound appealing. On the opposite what it does sound like is that anet is community-unfriendly and greedy.

This. Greed and money. I would love to see how many of those stupid things have been bought.

Pavel.8531:

Sometimes I feel not playing my gl/af/ac/treb/balli/etc mastery character. I feel burned out. So I log on another, just for a change of pace… and feel like a newbie. I am NOT having fun feeling like a newbie on a character of mine, just because I prefer playing the majority of my time on another. And you know…. games are supposed to be played FOR fun.
Meh, on another side it makes sense progress is character bound – look at PvP, everything there is character bound so you don’t start from a high level with a new class and get your kitten handed to you. Oh… wait…

^ this is gold. But seriously, why are ppl so kitten when it comes to WXP, sure if you have a rank 300 and an alt at rank 50, well your “Account” rank would be 350 out of the 10000… -_-
There is no character progression involved, but there is player progression and its stupid to lose all your progression because the group happens to need an extra ele or mesmer or necro instead of a warrior or guardian… -_-

When it comes to profit, Anet has to answer to their masters of a nationality-that-must not-be-named-less-you-get-infracted.

You know many of us who want player progression versus character progression. That is wxp, gear, ect being account shared, is because we are working adults. We have lives, and spend many hours a day working. I’m sorry but the old mmo mantra of ’make’em spend a 1000000 hours on our game’ is not something we like. All it takes is one company to realize this, and boom, all of us and our money will go there.

Add your voices here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Any-plans-for-account-wide-WXP/page/2#post3207161

Anet only looks at threads that get “attention”. Dividing our opinions in this matter makes it seem less important and thus, gets ignored.

MAGpie.7962:

Add your voices here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Any-plans-for-account-wide-WXP/page/2#post3207161

Anet only looks at threads that get “attention”. Dividing our opinions in this matter makes it seem less important and thus, gets ignored.

I really wonder what will come first in this thread, a merger to that one or a moderated infraction. Please go with option a)

Lorelei.3918:

When it comes to profit, Anet has to answer to their masters of a nationality-that-must not-be-named-less-you-get-infracted.

You know many of us who want player progression versus character progression. That is wxp, gear, ect being account shared, is because we are working adults. We have lives, and spend many hours a day working. I’m sorry but the old mmo mantra of ’make’em spend a 1000000 hours on our game’ is not something we like. All it takes is one company to realize this, and boom, all of us and our money will go there.

THIS.

Rigel.3092:

WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements).

That, in and of itself is a contradiction -.-

SoPP.7034:

Rigel.3092:

WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements).

That, in and of itself is a contradiction -.-

Badges of honor are account bound and have been since release.

Even siege has been released from the previous state of only one toon. That essentially makes every aspect of WvW, account wide so to speak… accept the ranks…

So, is this some very ridiculous level system where you need to get to level 10k to max out a toon? I am wondering how much thought has gone into… oh wait that was rhetorical, as you need a million dolyaks for the achievement.

I guess the rank system is very well synchronized with the rest of the rewards system in WvW -_-

We have seen a lot move from character to account bound (karma, siege, gathering tools, etc) so I have hope they will eventually come around. They have dug in on this not being account bound but maybe with enough forum outcry we can cajole or annoy them into this change.

This is the reason I don’t play WvW. I have to deal with 6 alts on PvE and worry about each of them progressing individually, I don’t want to have to worry about them in WvW as well. I’ve got 5 level 80s and there is absolutely no reason to play any of them. Instead, there’s incentive NOT to play them. Most stuff that is bought with SP are soulbound. Another thing, with how this game is with traits and skills, it doesn’t matter which class you play, all you need is a warrior in zerker gear. There is NO roles, not even those support/control ones either.

TL;DR: I miss having incentive to play to my 5 other alts.

eithinan.9841:

Jocksy.3415:

Anyway. I do understand about progression, about people who wants to put their points according to the class…

But I find it bad that the more I play my ranger, the stronger it becomes, the less attractive my other char become.

It is already bad enough that laurels are needed for pretty much all elevated items, which makes it hard to stuff all characters – If I feel useless on top of that when I play an alt, yes, it does takes most of the fun away…

The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.

Laurels and ascended, I am on board with you on this. They made the biggest mistake not having some sort of wvw only way of getting ascended trinkets. Fractals suck.

I do not understand your statement :
“The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.”
in relation to my post…

Is it because I mentionned the class?
Did I gave the impressions I wanted my ranger to have special abilities my other classes / characters wouldn’t have?
That was not what I meant… I meant I feel I am obligated to play with my main because of all the points it has, even if I would sometimes enjoy some change, the enjoyment is greatly lessened by the fact I cannot have a “useful” role in the group…

I want WXP to be account bound, so that I can enjoy all my characters – so that I do not have to wonder every time I play an alt “oh, right, what did this toon have, as mastery? Oh, only a few points in supply and AC… (sight)”.

Because I am playing off hours, when we are very few people, all improvements and ups count… thus, the other players know I have points in rams, AC, catapults, we leave the sieges to the players who have the most points in it – logic… Then, when I play an alt, I do not have any of those useful points – I feel useless to the team…

I got a rank 230+ ranger, a 135 warr and now my guild needs a guard.

Well kitten, gotta start over.

^—— That happens to many ppl in similiar situation. Account bound ranks would be great…

Jocksy.3415:

eithinan.9841:

Jocksy.3415:

Anyway. I do understand about progression, about people who wants to put their points according to the class…

But I find it bad that the more I play my ranger, the stronger it becomes, the less attractive my other char become.

It is already bad enough that laurels are needed for pretty much all elevated items, which makes it hard to stuff all characters – If I feel useless on top of that when I play an alt, yes, it does takes most of the fun away…

The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.

Laurels and ascended, I am on board with you on this. They made the biggest mistake not having some sort of wvw only way of getting ascended trinkets. Fractals suck.

I do not understand your statement :
“The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.”
in relation to my post…

Is it because I mentionned the class?
Did I gave the impressions I wanted my ranger to have special abilities my other classes / characters wouldn’t have?
That was not what I meant… I meant I feel I am obligated to play with my main because of all the points it has, even if I would sometimes enjoy some change, the enjoyment is greatly lessened by the fact I cannot have a “useful” role in the group…

I want WXP to be account bound, so that I can enjoy all my characters – so that I do not have to wonder every time I play an alt “oh, right, what did this toon have, as mastery? Oh, only a few points in supply and AC… (sight)”.

Because I am playing off hours, when we are very few people, all improvements and ups count… thus, the other players know I have points in rams, AC, catapults, we leave the sieges to the players who have the most points in it – logic… Then, when I play an alt, I do not have any of those useful points – I feel useless to the team…

I was pointing out that since the wxp abilities are “generic” and no classes really benefit for going one WXP line over another, That the character or class progression argument that has been out there is invalid.

Oh, so we just meant the same thing with different words
Nice!

RiWiJo.7502:

Unspent rank should be account bound. Thus accumulated rank can be spent one time on any character. Once spent it is soulbound unless Anet resets the WvW rank.

I don’t think that if character A earns 10 points, for example, that he should be able to spend 10 points on A and B and C. He should be able to spend 10 points one time on whichever character he chooses. He should be able to break up the 10 points across characters thus give A three points, B four points and C 3 points.

This ^^

style.6173:

RiWiJo.7502:

Unspent rank should be account bound. Thus accumulated rank can be spent one time on any character. Once spent it is soulbound unless Anet resets the WvW rank.

I don’t think that if character A earns 10 points, for example, that he should be able to spend 10 points on A and B and C. He should be able to spend 10 points one time on whichever character he chooses. He should be able to break up the 10 points across characters thus give A three points, B four points and C 3 points.

This ^^

I’d rather have it all account bound – So if I take supply mastery – all my characters have it; If I take AC mastery, all my characters have it – and so on.

Linking only unspent points to account would not make it more alt friendly, imho…