Guild Wars 2

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

Everything above is why I enjoy being in a mid tier server. All the baddies go to tier 1 servers so they can win, leaving the rest of us to play in peace.

Aeros.2046:

Everything above is why I enjoy being in a mid tier server. All the baddies go to tier 1 servers so they can win, leaving the rest of us to play in peace.

Yeah, I get that. I swapped to BG during the free-transfer period because I was lonely on my low-pop server. Of course, guesting kind of eliminates that point.

Bloatgate problems

A long time ago I warned your server of The Curse of Green Slot

Inevitable tbh

Been there, got the t-shirt. This was similar to JQ last Spring.

Thankfully we’re at a decent amount of active players right now, and we can enjoy ourselves out there. We don’t generally see many queues. Which is more important to me than who gets the three bonus chests at the end of the week (reward OP!). Only way you’re gonna fix this is to shed numbers, which will happen naturally even if you keep winning for a while. People get bored of winning (yes), people get tired of blobs (yep) and look for somewhere where they can accept the outnumbered buff and fight for the win instead of having it handed over every week.

as my server matchups currently stand i dont see why i shouldnt move to BG sure its no fun winning always but its no worse than losing always

for me losing aint even the problem its how usually my server’s opponents are 24/7 coverage servers with 7x times the player coverage as well to the point where i dropped 12 sup ACs and 4 ballista on a gate and the enemy BUILT 3 Omegas Under fire PvD+ Omega’d the gates and ran into the keep as if no one was defending on several ocasions and yes there was even more siege placed around thats just the siege i placed myself

Even in T2… I gotta say… I miss being in T3 & lower. I’m not a fan of blob lagfest fights. Not going to leave my friends here on TC though.

i had friends move to black gate just to finish wvw map completion… then they realized how populated it was and did not want to transfer back. One example is a friend who was new to world vs world had thought Maguuma’s performance during season 1 leagues was overall poor, because there was little to no commanders who ever tagged up. Roaming was a nightmare seeing as you can take one camp and a its a 30 man blob trying to track your roaming movements, while simultanously with another 30plus zerg in your home borderlands. Basically due to his lack of knowledge about world vs world he did not understand the mechanics of how to avoid zergs when roaming and furthermore could not understand at the time that the coverage of a server plays a huge factor.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

Maybe you need to take that excellent guild into EBG sometime,

Too point out a few things, I don’t know what your being told as the rumors fly all the time when it comes to T1, but if you knew SoR at all, its that we don’t give up, but we do not play for PPT ( there is no reward for coming first week in week out, other than bragging rights ) we fight for the kills, I would rather tick at 100PPT and get 1000 kills a night in WvW than tick at 400PPT and get 100 kills.

Tonight in EBG for 4 hours we watched BG zergs as big as our own run away, I hear it all the time that apparently SoR runs from fights, yet ive never seen it, ( could be my timezone ) but im sure as hell going to start running fraps,

If you happen to be in a rare BG guild that fights, then bravo, I hope you can bring more of them out to fight instead of pressing 1 against that door.

As for the same servers each week, you can thank anets new “random matchups” for that, making it that pretty much we will only ever meet each other, unless something super drastic happens.

Lag…????…. I have to admit, I haven’t really experienced any even in full LR battles for a couple of months. Haven’t been in a huge SM LR battle for a while though and imagine they still lag out.

If players like to play in zerg fests against zerging opponents where most of the time when they enter WvW that’s what they’ll get; T1 is where it’s at.

As for the que’s in BG.. aside from reset night (which I don’t even bother trying to play), I never wait more than 5-15 min to get in on any map at anytime from Ssaturday-Friday (before reset). During leagues however, it was very common to have the 2 hour que time.

2 hour queues on EBG? Are you sure you’re on Blackgate? Even during NA prime I rarely get queues outside of reset night. During my play time (Oceanic-SEA), there’s no queues on any map unless all float teams congregate on one map (which only happens if there’s fights). Also, dat outmanned buff on EBG during those hours are OP. Phat loots.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Maybe you need to take that excellent guild into EBG sometime,

Too point out a few things, I don’t know what your being told as the rumors fly all the time when it comes to T1, but if you knew SoR at all, its that we don’t give up, but we do not play for PPT ( there is no reward for coming first week in week out, other than bragging rights ) we fight for the kills, I would rather tick at 100PPT and get 1000 kills a night in WvW than tick at 400PPT and get 100 kills.

Tonight in EBG for 4 hours we watched BG zergs as big as our own run away, I hear it all the time that apparently SoR runs from fights, yet ive never seen it, ( could be my timezone ) but im sure as hell going to start running fraps,

If you happen to be in a rare BG guild that fights, then bravo, I hope you can bring more of them out to fight instead of pressing 1 against that door.

I gotta ask, do you only play on EBG? I ask that because it is the complete opposite on borderland maps.

As a guild member of OnS we NEVER play on EBG as a guild. So I only play on borderland maps where we spent 95% of fights chasing SoR/JQ zergs as they run away to nowhere. Seriously.

For example, tonight SoR had choo/tw/lun (or whatever) vs OnS and HB on JQ BL. The entire night we would wipe their zerg and end up chasing the rest of their zerg across the map. Their half-zerg would start splitting off hoping we would chase their split offs.

I keep reading what you’re posting but I have NEVER experienced that lol. It has always been BG doing the chasing….

Ok I Did It.2854:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

Maybe you need to take that excellent guild into EBG sometime,

Too point out a few things, I don’t know what your being told as the rumors fly all the time when it comes to T1, but if you knew SoR at all, its that we don’t give up, but we do not play for PPT ( there is no reward for coming first week in week out, other than bragging rights ) we fight for the kills, I would rather tick at 100PPT and get 1000 kills a night in WvW than tick at 400PPT and get 100 kills.

Tonight in EBG for 4 hours we watched BG zergs as big as our own run away, I hear it all the time that apparently SoR runs from fights, yet ive never seen it, ( could be my timezone ) but im sure as hell going to start running fraps,

If you happen to be in a rare BG guild that fights, then bravo, I hope you can bring more of them out to fight instead of pressing 1 against that door.

As for the same servers each week, you can thank anets new “random matchups” for that, making it that pretty much we will only ever meet each other, unless something super drastic happens.

I think it’s a little silly when someone says that an entire server plays for fights and not PPT. That’s something a losing server says, and a bad excuse.
It’s like a football team saying they play for the hits and not the score.
I think the idea is to do both.
It’s just something I see as silly and it gets thrown around too much.
That, and it’s not like the people who claim that their server just ‘plays for fights’ speaks for the thousands of people who make up said server.
If your server in fact ‘only plays for fight’, then nobody on your server would ever place one single piece of siege, and I highly doubt that’s the case.

No complaints in the Oceanic and SEA time zones.

No queues, not even on EBG. Fights against TKG, FB, Ph to name a few. If anything, it’s too quiet and we struggle to find competitive fights as everybody seems to want to play the PPT game or sticky tapes themselves to some pugs once they lose a fight.

Closest thing to a blob is maybe a 35 man force, or the (sometimes large) pug blob on EBG which is still maybe 40 at best.

Don’t blame Blackgate as a ‘server’.

Its the NA time zone thats frequently queued and blobby. It is an MMO primarily aimed at Americans, ran by Americans, on American servers. If you’re playing in prime time, it’s busy everywhere. Just more so here in tier 1 with the highest concentration of players.

We players are partly to blame, but your listed issues and concerns are technically not the fault of the players; but the way in which these issues are created by the 24/7 WvW game type. Arenanet could quite easily implement a number of suggested systems (which they hopefully will based on the CDI threads) that address these issues.

Until then, we grit and bear with it.

Shonie.5297:

Ok I Did It.2854:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

Maybe you need to take that excellent guild into EBG sometime,

Too point out a few things, I don’t know what your being told as the rumors fly all the time when it comes to T1, but if you knew SoR at all, its that we don’t give up, but we do not play for PPT ( there is no reward for coming first week in week out, other than bragging rights ) we fight for the kills, I would rather tick at 100PPT and get 1000 kills a night in WvW than tick at 400PPT and get 100 kills.

Tonight in EBG for 4 hours we watched BG zergs as big as our own run away, I hear it all the time that apparently SoR runs from fights, yet ive never seen it, ( could be my timezone ) but im sure as hell going to start running fraps,

If you happen to be in a rare BG guild that fights, then bravo, I hope you can bring more of them out to fight instead of pressing 1 against that door.

As for the same servers each week, you can thank anets new “random matchups” for that, making it that pretty much we will only ever meet each other, unless something super drastic happens.

I think it’s a little silly when someone says that an entire server plays for fights and not PPT. That’s something a losing server says, and a bad excuse.
It’s like a football team saying they play for the hits and not the score.
I think the idea is to do both.
It’s just something I see as silly and it gets thrown around too much.
That, and it’s not like the people who claim that their server just ‘plays for fights’ speaks for the thousands of people who make up said server.
If your server in fact ‘only plays for fight’, then nobody on your server would ever place one single piece of siege, and I highly doubt that’s the case.

When ur server loses 3 out of 4 matches over the past year, u stop caring about the numbers game. Unlike football where each team has the same amount of players, wvw does not. There’s nothing fair about it and has zero reward.

dwahvel.7356:

When ur server loses 3 out of 4 matches over the past year, u stop caring about the numbers game. Unlike football where each team has the same amount of players, wvw does not. There’s nothing fair about it and has zero reward.

It’s been this way since the game launched.
It’s a game of coverage wars for the most part.
Blackgate has the most players, the best coverage… therefore the most wins.
Everyone in WvW plays because they have fun in their own way, regardless of server.
There’s so many different playstyles on each server and usually even within most guilds. So it’s ridiculous to say that SoR simply plays for the fights, because it’s not true. Sure, maybe some people on SoR simply play for fights. I’m sure others play for ppt, some play to scout, play defense, siege, havoc, zerg… some probably just goof around having fun in their own way.
So when someone from SoR comes out and says ‘we just play for the fights’, that’s disrespectful to the rest of your servermates who don’t think that way, and don’t play that way. It takes all kinds of playstyles to succeed as a team in WvW.

Honestly nobody wants too.

I know people who want to transfer to Blackgate. I think they are fools, for the reasons the TC mentioned, and then some.

I mean, map completion? Seriously? You can do wvw maps easy even on Bottom tier servers, I know I did.

You can guest to Bg if ever you are lonely in pve on your own server; it was actually harder to finish malchor’s leap than it was to do Eternal Battlegrounds, thankfully guesting saved the day.

Wvw is also more fun when you’re not from an overwhelming advantage. Fun is when you are fighting a challenge, not when you are winning by face rolling. That’s amusing, but only for a little while, then it gets boring.

And yeah, queues? Never heard of ’em.

Mochann.5298:

I know people who want to transfer to Blackgate. I think they are fools, for the reasons the TC mentioned, and then some.

I mean, map completion? Seriously? You can do wvw maps easy even on Bottom tier servers, I know I did.

You can guest to Bg if ever you are lonely in pve on your own server; it was actually harder to finish malchor’s leap than it was to do Eternal Battlegrounds, thankfully guesting saved the day.

Wvw is also more fun when you’re not from an overwhelming advantage. Fun is when you are fighting a challenge, not when you are winning by face rolling. That’s amusing, but only for a little while, then it gets boring.

And yeah, queues? Never heard of ’em.

BG doesn’t have that big of an advantage population wise though. I don’t feel like typing why but if you have been on BG since release you would know the truth, not the exaggerated truth throw around by SoR and JQ. Btw, those two servers are still getting guild transfers….ANYWAYS.

My point is BG doesn’t “faceroll” all the time. We get wiped and towers/keeps, and we have to fight just like every other server.

Queues? What queue? You mean that one really popular BL that we are doing really well in with fights? Longest queue time =20 minutes. Most of the time 5 minutes. EB? No clue I don’t like EB at all.

It just amazes me the misperceptions players can get from posts like yours who don’t even know, except from what you heard either by another post, another uninformed player, or a baddie and troll on BG that nobody likes.

Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.

But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?

You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

Shonie.5297:

dwahvel.7356:

When ur server loses 3 out of 4 matches over the past year, u stop caring about the numbers game. Unlike football where each team has the same amount of players, wvw does not. There’s nothing fair about it and has zero reward.

It’s been this way since the game launched.
It’s a game of coverage wars for the most part.
Blackgate has the most players, the best coverage… therefore the most wins.
Everyone in WvW plays because they have fun in their own way, regardless of server.
There’s so many different playstyles on each server and usually even within most guilds. So it’s ridiculous to say that SoR simply plays for the fights, because it’s not true. Sure, maybe some people on SoR simply play for fights. I’m sure others play for ppt, some play to scout, play defense, siege, havoc, zerg… some probably just goof around having fun in their own way.
So when someone from SoR comes out and says ‘we just play for the fights’, that’s disrespectful to the rest of your servermates who don’t think that way, and don’t play that way. It takes all kinds of playstyles to succeed as a team in WvW.

Yeah ur right not everyone on SoR plays only for fights. We did have a large guild that played for ppt but they are no longer here. I would say 5 out of 6 commanders here couldn’t care any less about ppt.
When a server goes 2-3 months of straight losses, and GAINS players then that overall server DOESN’T care about winning the match.
I’m trying to think of defense/ppt guild we have left atm and nothing comes to mind.

Don’t judge a server that you clearly know nothing about, leave that to the bg trolls.
Anyways im looking foward to SoR dropping to t2 and actually have guilds to gvg against.

Mochann.5298:

Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.

But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?

You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

Thing is, JQ and SoR have the ability to field the same numbers as we do (JQ matching us in SEA and SoR matching us in EU while they both outnumber us during OCE during most of the week, though SoR and BG’s OCE numbers are more similar, JQ definitely has more). You say we have an overwhelming numbers advantage. We don’t. It depends on which commander/guilds are tagged up. Occasionally we get a group of 30-40+= steamrolling a map against 15-20 SoR/JQ. Occasionally we get steamrolled by 50+ JQ/SoR while we have 15-20 on the pin.

To make things clearer. We have 1 Oceanic PvX guild (no dedicated Oceanic WvW guild except MERC, except they don’t tag up and only go looking for fights majority of the time so they don’t really impact PPT. They don’t even run nightly), and 2 EU WvW guilds (one of which doesn’t tag up, one of which is inactive at the moment). The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA. Only time JQ can claim they’re outnumbered is during EU. NA is completely even with SoR having stronger NA guilds. BG is carried by our NA and SEA. That’s been the story since the start of leagues. Propaganda from SoR and JQ just make it seem otherwise.

NA – JQ=BG=SoR
OCE – JQ > BG = SoR (This timezone is really hard to rank, since it’s a weird zone with NA staying up late and SEA logging on early. We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map. That’s why I ranked it that way)
SEA – JQ = BG > SoR (JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well. With JQ getting a new influx of Chinese players, however, the balance is tilting back in their favour during this time zone)
EU – SoR = BG > JQ (not strictly EU guilds, but SoR’s LUN is quite a force in this time zone.

BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.

Finally, please don’t bandwagon to BG. Watching our EBG get overrun with people fighting for stonemist (this is ok if there’s the numbers and organisation), then wasting supply to upgrade it (this isn’t ok) is… painful.

Looks like OP is either a bandwagoner or a PvE’er who doesn’t really mingle with the WvW community.

Mochann.5298:

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

Actually most people on BG (if they come before season 1) do know the feeling and difficulty of fighting as an underdog as we have done that plenty of time as well in the past (e.g. we were actually losing pretty bad and considered by many as the weakest T1 server right before season 1 started, not to mention when JQ dominated T1 last year).

The thing is server strength fluctuates all the time, JQ, SoR, and BG have all been dominant server before and they have all been the underdog as well. The difference is some servers community can persist and endure in the face of difficulty like JQ and BG while others may fall apart.

dwahvel.7356:

Don’t judge a server that you clearly know nothing about, leave that to the bg trolls.
Anyways im looking foward to SoR dropping to t2 and actually have guilds to gvg against.

There’s plenty of T1 guilds that are in the GvG scene. Agg, OnS, APeX immediately come to mind for NA. Vanguard MERC, TKG, FB come to mind for Oce/SEA.

OnS has GvG’d Choo before, I’m pretty sure they’d like a rematch

Reverence.6915:

Mochann.5298:

Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.

But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?

You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

Thing is, JQ and SoR have the ability to field the same numbers as we do (JQ matching us in SEA and SoR matching us in EU while they both outnumber us during OCE during most of the week, though SoR and BG’s OCE numbers are more similar, JQ definitely has more). You say we have an overwhelming numbers advantage. We don’t. It depends on which commander/guilds are tagged up. Occasionally we get a group of 30-40+= steamrolling a map against 15-20 SoR/JQ. Occasionally we get steamrolled by 50+ JQ/SoR while we have 15-20 on the pin.

To make things clearer. We have 1 Oceanic PvX guild (no dedicated Oceanic WvW guild except MERC, except they don’t tag up and only go looking for fights majority of the time so they don’t really impact PPT. They don’t even run nightly), and 2 EU WvW guilds (one of which doesn’t tag up, one of which is inactive at the moment). The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA. Only time JQ can claim they’re outnumbered is during EU. NA is completely even with SoR having stronger NA guilds. BG is carried by our NA and SEA. That’s been the story since the start of leagues. Propaganda from SoR and JQ just make it seem otherwise.

NA – JQ=BG=SoR
OCE – JQ > BG = SoR (This timezone is really hard to rank, since it’s a weird zone with NA staying up late and SEA logging on early. We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map. That’s why I ranked it that way)
SEA – JQ = BG > SoR (JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well. With JQ getting a new influx of Chinese players, however, the balance is tilting back in their favour during this time zone)
EU – SoR = BG > JQ (not strictly EU guilds, but SoR’s LUN is quite a force in this time zone.

BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.

Finally, please don’t bandwagon to BG. Watching our EBG get overrun with people fighting for stonemist (this is ok if there’s the numbers and organisation), then wasting supply to upgrade it (this isn’t ok) is… painful.

Looks like OP is either a bandwagoner or a PvE’er who doesn’t really mingle with the WvW community.

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

jojojoon.8607:

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.

You’re asking people not to come to EB. I’m asking people to come help us in other borderlands since we are always outnumbered compared to JQ and SOR in multiple time zones.

jojojoon.8607:

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.

You’re asking people not to come to EB. I’m asking people to come help us in other borderlands since we are always outnumbered compared to JQ and SOR in multiple time zones.

Ok, I’m going to copy/paste what I wrote earlier and then put it in bold.

BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.

That means that BG outnumbers one, but not the other server at any given time other than during NA. It means that there’s never a time zone that we need more people in. It does, however, mean that we are outnumbered when there’s no one tagged up on a map, thanks to our pug heavy population.

Reading comprehension. Learn some.

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

Wow, I’ve heard it all. There you have it folks. BG has less people than JQ and SOR. BG needs to recruit and get more people to compete with JQ and SOR. BG needs more people in EU and NA since SOR has way too many people in these time slots. BG also needs more help in OCX and SEA since JQ has lots of people also.

Please come to BG, we really need more people since we are outnumbered in multiple time zones. Heck, it looks like we are outnumbered in ALL time zones..

Did you read the part where I said not to come to BG? No? Typical troll.

You’re asking people not to come to EB. I’m asking people to come help us in other borderlands since we are always outnumbered compared to JQ and SOR in multiple time zones.

Ok, I’m going to copy/paste what I wrote earlier and then put it in bold.

BG does have a more balanced coverage (we’ve never stacked a single time zone unlike JQ[SEA] and SoR[EU]), but we don’t always have a numbers advantage.

That means that BG outnumbers one, but not the other server at any given time other than during NA. It means that there’s never a time zone that we need more people in. It does, however, mean that we are outnumbered when there’s no one tagged up on a map, thanks to our pug heavy population.

Reading comprehension. Learn some.

You even said we don’t have a numbers advantage, so that means we need more people to compete with them. I play all time zones. In NA, SOR outnumbers us, so we need help there. In OCX and SEA, JQ has lots of people, so we definitely need more help. In EU, I typically see around like 15 SOR but the numbers we have, we can’t fight them head on.

Why are you even arguing with me. I’m just repeating what you said in YOUR POST that we don’t outnumber them especially in EU when we usually have around 50ish per map. We need to have a queue in all maps in EU to be able to fight SOR.

If you don’t believe that I am agreeing with you, just pull up the stats from http://mos.millenium.org. Stats don’t lie. It clearly shows SOR and JQ dominating BG in all time zones, especially EU when SOR is clearly demolishing us there.

Reverence.6915:

The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA.

As somebody that plays on SoR, and has had the opportunity to play during a wide variety of time zones, this is 100% fiction.

I went ahead and pulled up the stats from http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/. Ummm, I seriously don’t get it. Why is it showing BG with such a high score? It says that BG is ticking over 300 pts during SEA and then close to 400 pts in OCX and EU. That is clearly wrong. According to many of my BG servermates, we are clearly outnumbered in multiple time zones, so it is impossible to be scoring this much points across the day. Ticking close to 400 pts is nearly impossible unless you clearly have a numbers advantage which we don’t. We don’t even queue all the boderlands during EU time.

Anyone know how we can contact the owner of the MOS website to have them fix this? It must be a bug in their website.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

Please, do we need to have an argument on stackgate?

Hi,

It would be very nice if all of you stop posting and stop making the thread about BG.

I feel horrible because it usually comes from no name player / guild.

thank you,

Poxheart.2845:

Reverence.6915:

The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA.

As somebody that plays on SoR, and has had the opportunity to play during a wide variety of time zones, this is 100% fiction.

As someone who’s played all hours of the day, I can tell you that if you think it’s fiction, you might want to browse all your maps.

BG ticks sub 200 most Oceanic evenings (my main playing time). I wonder why. Oh right, it’s cause we have that 30-40 man float team made up completely of pugs (hey! no guild during this time zone) for our borderlands plus Omen running 20-30 if they’re on early, while SoR are running a mix zerg of 40-50~ish (hey! even numbers!) and JQ have multiple groups running around numbering over 80 in total.

Other timezones… Yeah, we dominate SEA. I really don’t know why because JQ runs similar numbers (well, they can run similar numbers, we just don’t see them every night. WvW guild, where are you! I’ve seen you able to nearly queue a map by yourselves!). In EU, SoR and BG run similar numbers, with LUN having roughly the same numbers as HB, with EST players logging on early to support – the difference here is that BG has SEA players staying up late to support as well.

And if you think any T1 server outnumbers another T1 server during NA, well, yeah.. no.

Following is a screenshot of JQ’s SEA on just 1 map. We were outnumbered for a while but we eventually matched them in numbers as we called in friends and guildies.

Mochann.5298:

Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.

But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?

You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

I have been on BG since release and what people seem to forget is BG wasn’t always #1. BG has been in the position where all of your stuff get’s flipped to paper overnight and the enemy ticks at 400+ ppt. BG has been in the position where we have had mass exodus not once, not even twice, but three times! I have been on BG when we were massively outmanned during those mass exodus times.

Majority of the WvW hardcore players on BG have been on BG since day 1. Those core people are the ones you can count on. BG is a family.

So, in short, yes BG has faced outmanned oppositions before, even now there are times where SoR or JQ are running around in a map zerg and we only have 30 people on our commander tag.

Why would anyone WANT to close the official Matchup forum and then delete the post of everyone not happy about that decision?

People do random stuff.

jojojoon.8607:

I went ahead and pulled up the stats from http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/. Ummm, I seriously don’t get it. Why is it showing BG with such a high score? It says that BG is ticking over 300 pts during SEA and then close to 400 pts in OCX and EU. That is clearly wrong. According to many of my BG servermates, we are clearly outnumbered in multiple time zones, so it is impossible to be scoring this much points across the day. Ticking close to 400 pts is nearly impossible unless you clearly have a numbers advantage which we don’t. We don’t even queue all the boderlands during EU time.

Anyone know how we can contact the owner of the MOS website to have them fix this? It must be a bug in their website.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

It is trolls like this that really skew the perception of BG. Let’s work on your reading comprehension, shall we?

Reverence.6915:

NA – JQ=BG=SoR
OCE – JQ > BG = SoR (This timezone is really hard to rank, since it’s a weird zone with NA staying up late and SEA logging on early. We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map.

“We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map.”

Let me state it again, AS LONG AS THERE’S A PIN ON THE MAP.

1x more time. AS LONG AS THERE’S A PIN ON THE MAP.

Catch that yet? NO OCEANIC GUILD. I hope you got that now….

Now the next one…

Reverence.6915:

SEA – JQ = BG > SoR (JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well. With JQ getting a new influx of Chinese players, however, the balance is tilting back in their favour during this time zone)

“JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well.”

Let’s repeat that and even rephrase it for clarity sake shall we?

JQ HAS MORE NUMBERS BUT with Waha quitting their numbers stopped showing up. They STILL have the numbers, but they stopped showing up.

And one last time to make sure you fully grasped it.

JQ HAS MORE NUMBERS BUT with Waha quitting their numbers stopped showing up. They STILL have the numbers, but they stopped showing up.

Thanks for reading.

Lol. Keep bringing more to Bag Gate. We <3 their bags.

All these BG players and guilds talking about how bad it is on BG, but they never leave.

nirvana.8245:

All these BG players and guilds talking about how bad it is on BG, but they never leave.

Who’s saying it is bad? I am reading quite the contrary.

BG is a blast to be on lol.

There isn’t really any reason to argue how many more players BG has. The score shows it all. Not only that, they resort to highly questionable tactics like placing 5-6 superior ACs in their areas if they find they can’t beat the enemy’s players.

Equal numbers + Super ACs.

BG is getting awful to play with. Big numbers, but if they can’t pvd to win or gets wiped, they hide in their keeps and tower and siege them up like it was a Christmas tree and camp there. I actually like BG during seasons. At least they kept on fighting to cap objectives even if they kept wiping.

Instead of playing for fun, they play to win every single week.

nirvana.8245:

All these BG players and guilds talking about how bad it is on BG, but they never leave.

I’ve been itching to move off BG for a while, but the transfer cost is a pain. Will you sponsor me? No? Didn’t think so.

There’re so many people who say things like “why don’t you tag up? why don’t you use superior siege? why don’t you have max ascended equipment? why don’t you transfer?” etc yet once I ask them to send me the gold to transfer / buy commander tag / buy superior siege etc they all shut up.

dwahvel.7356:

Shonie.5297:

dwahvel.7356:

When ur server loses 3 out of 4 matches over the past year, u stop caring about the numbers game. Unlike football where each team has the same amount of players, wvw does not. There’s nothing fair about it and has zero reward.

It’s been this way since the game launched.
It’s a game of coverage wars for the most part.
Blackgate has the most players, the best coverage… therefore the most wins.
Everyone in WvW plays because they have fun in their own way, regardless of server.
There’s so many different playstyles on each server and usually even within most guilds. So it’s ridiculous to say that SoR simply plays for the fights, because it’s not true. Sure, maybe some people on SoR simply play for fights. I’m sure others play for ppt, some play to scout, play defense, siege, havoc, zerg… some probably just goof around having fun in their own way.
So when someone from SoR comes out and says ‘we just play for the fights’, that’s disrespectful to the rest of your servermates who don’t think that way, and don’t play that way. It takes all kinds of playstyles to succeed as a team in WvW.

Yeah ur right not everyone on SoR plays only for fights. We did have a large guild that played for ppt but they are no longer here. I would say 5 out of 6 commanders here couldn’t care any less about ppt.
When a server goes 2-3 months of straight losses, and GAINS players then that overall server DOESN’T care about winning the match.
I’m trying to think of defense/ppt guild we have left atm and nothing comes to mind.

Don’t judge a server that you clearly know nothing about, leave that to the bg trolls.
Anyways im looking foward to SoR dropping to t2 and actually have guilds to gvg against.

I know it seems kinda hopeless. I doubt BG could defend a weeklong 2v1 versus JQ and SoR.
YB and EBay successfully pulled it off during league against us.
I know JQ and SoR have the man power to do it, and I’m sure BG would welcome the challenge.

DivineBeing.2086

It is trolls like this that really skew the perception of BG. Let’s work on your reading comprehension, shall we?

Why are you resorting to name calling when I even said multiple times I agree with you? I just find it weird why the MOS website is posting incorrect scores which is showing us with superior numbers across most time periods. Maybe the owner of the MOS website doesn’t play on BG? I am sure that once he plays on BG, he will agree with all of us BG players that we are always outnumbered and then fix the scores accordingly.

DivineBeing.2086

“We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map.”

Like I said, I agree with you. When we don’t have a pin, SOR and JQ outnumber BG. But whatever happened to rest of MERC though? I once had a discussion with a MERC player and he said that many MERC players hated playing in OCX and wanted to move to France so they could play in EU. I guess they were able accomplished that after Season 1 ended.

DivineBeing.2086

“JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well.”

Again, I agree with you. JQ outnumbers BG in SEA by a lot. Like you said, even though many JQ SEA has quit already, I still see their ghost images in the game. When we do an open field push with like 50ish people, I swear that even though there may be 30 JQ, I still see like an extra 50 of those JQs who have quit already. For some reason, even though they quit, they can still play the game. Please teach me JQ SEA players who are not longer playing. How can you guys still play without actually having to log in. If they teach us their secret, we can then transfer all the BG players who have quit already to the game somehow and match JQ’s numbers in SEA.

jojojoon.8607:

Again, I agree with you. JQ outnumbers BG in SEA by a lot. Like you said, even though many JQ SEA has quit already, I still see their ghost images in the game. When we do an open field push with like 50ish people, I swear that even though there may be 30 JQ, I still see like an extra 50 of those JQs who have quit already. For some reason, even though they quit, they can still play the game. Please teach me JQ SEA players who are not longer playing. How can you guys still play without actually having to log in. If they teach us their secret, we can then transfer all the BG players who have quit already to the game somehow and match JQ’s numbers in SEA.

A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):

JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.

BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.

Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).

Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.

If BG keeps saying they are underdogs enough they may actually start believing it. Helps with the server recruiting, “Come fight the good fight against all odds”. LMAO.

Reverence.6915:

To make things clearer. We have 1 Oceanic PvX guild (no dedicated Oceanic WvW guild except MERC, except they don’t tag up and only go looking for fights majority of the time so they don’t really impact PPT. They don’t even run nightly), and 2 EU WvW guilds (one of which doesn’t tag up, one of which is inactive at the moment). The only time SoR can claim they are outnumbered is during SEA. Only time JQ can claim they’re outnumbered is during EU. NA is completely even with SoR having stronger NA guilds. BG is carried by our NA and SEA. That’s been the story since the start of leagues. Propaganda from SoR and JQ just make it seem otherwise.

You’re completely incorrect especially with regard to SOR currently. The day after reset SOR was outmanned in both NA, OC and early SEA. In total WvW population I doubt we have more than TC now.

Reverence.6915:

A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):

JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.

BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.

Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).

Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.

I agree with you, JQ has so many SEA players and BG barely has any to compete with them. The original MERC split up and some went to JQ and some stayed. For some reason, the JQ MERC plays not only in OCX but SEA also and can field 30+ on a nightly basis. BG MERC, for some reason, all moved to France and now plays EU time. Why is our MERC not playing in SEA and JQ MERCs does. I don’t get it.

AGG also plays in SEA even though they are a NA guild. Why don’t we have guilds in NA that do that. I don’t get it..

We have a guild called Omen in BG that usually fields 25-30+ people, but they aren’t good so we kinda consider them a pug guild. Our other SEA guilds like Thai, Urge, KOR, etc also play like pugs. So to quote you, since they’re PUGs, they are “hardly dependable.” They can’t be depended on at all in SEA…

Sreoom.3690:

If BG keeps saying they are underdogs enough they may actually start believing it. Helps with the server recruiting, “Come fight the good fight against all odds”. LMAO.

If you don’t believe that BG are underdogs and is always undermanned, you can check the scoring history on the MOS website (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/). Stats may lie but BG never lies. We’re currently trying to see if we can get the website fixed.