Guild Wars 2

I have been waiting for 3 hours to enter wvw to no avail because of the new achievements. Yes I understand you are trying to revive wvw maps but while doing it, dont sacrifice the loyal wvw players. Any WvW player I know has been cursing the new achievements placed in wvw that lured the entire pve fans.

Please either totally remove the new achievements from wvw or while queuing, give priority to the people with high ranks which suggest that they have been there fighting for their server when no one else did.
Real wvw players have been trying to keep our server over a year on its feet fighting vs greatly outnumbering servers like viz or sfr while people were busy in queensdale champion train or scarlett events. Now we cant enter the maps because those people would like to get some achievement points now.

Wvw was one of the main reasons I still play this game and at this rate I am seriously considering to quit as I dont want to wait 5-6 h everyday to enter a map that might be lost through a mere disconnection.

Pve players or fanboys can flame all they want but remember when those achievement points are taken by pve players, those maps will be empty if the loyal wvw players are gone as well.

I dont think this is elitism. This is preserving the hard core wvw player base. why didnt anyone call it elitism when Anet decided to give 500 AP to GW1 players giving an unfair advantage over other people on the rank list?

Sorry mate but if being high rank is being elite then you are not born elite, you work for it.

I think the elitism comment was due to the: “People with higher ranks should get priority”. Which is more or less the definition of elitism. Giving people advantages due to them being “better”.

supporting this. Waiting 4 hours in queue (including many people in our team speak)

>stack on server
>surprised when population increases lock you out of wvw

While I don’t really have much sympathy, having those server transfers at a reduced price for another week certainly wouldn’t be taken poorly.

Sarrs.4831:

>stack on server
>surprised when population increases lock you out of wvw

While I don’t really have much sympathy, having those server transfers at a reduced price for another week certainly wouldn’t be taken poorly.

I think its funny your saying that from TC. You guys have quite a large server player base as well, even with out stacking. I bet you will run into the same issues…

From Sept. 29:

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.

Well. I used to hate WvW too as a PvE player, but I started playing it because I wanted to get 100% Map. But I grew to like it, now I mostly wvw.

New players are welcomed, hopefully they want to improve and follow the more experienced players.

Zikory.6871:

I think its funny your saying that from TC. You guys have quite a large server player base as well, even with out stacking. I bet you will run into the same issues…

I play in Oceanic times. Don’t hold your breath.

Besides, I’ve been putting off an assignment. If it forces me to finish it, I win anyway.

Borders are nearly empty (as my guildmates can testify), but I’ve been queueing for almost 4 hours. Good job Anet, really good job.

I wonder if they’re full, but those new to WvW aren’t in traditional spots? Like scattered all over because they don’t know where they should be?

Jayne.9251:

I wonder if they’re full, but those new to WvW aren’t in traditional spots? Like scattered all over because they don’t know where they should be?

This is the part where someone mentions the jp achievements, and then someone else gets really mad, then someone else defends them, then everyone disregards it and goes about their business as normal.

Heh, I bet you’re on to something there.

Had to queue this morning for the first time in at least 3 months due to all the transfers on to our server (ros); I was more than happy to queue as ros finally has numbers to compete. Mind you waiting for a few minutes is a kitten sight better than 4 hours. Perhaps if people end up waiting hours for W v W the numbers might start evening out across different servers.

Zafer.2391:

I have been waiting for 3 hours to enter wvw to no avail because of the new achievements. Yes I understand you are trying to revive wvw maps but while doing it, dont sacrifice the loyal wvw players. Any WvW player I know has been cursing the new achievements placed in wvw that lured the entire pve fans.

Please either totally remove the new achievements from wvw or while queuing, give priority to the people with high ranks which suggest that they have been there fighting for their server when no one else did.
Real wvw players have been trying to keep our server over a year on its feet fighting vs greatly outnumbering servers like viz or sfr while people were busy in queensdale champion train or scarlett events. Now we cant enter the maps because those people would like to get some achievement points now.

Wvw was one of the main reasons I still play this game and at this rate I am seriously considering to quit as I dont want to wait 5-6 h everyday to enter a map that might be lost through a mere disconnection.

Pve players or fanboys can flame all they want but remember when those achievement points are taken by pve players, those maps will be empty if the loyal wvw players are gone as well.

Seriously, stop whining. Go to a lower tier server. Problem solved.

This post make me feel great about my choice to stay on Kaineng when nearly everyone left.

I GET TO PLAY.

style.6173:

Seriously, stop whining. Go to a lower tier server. Problem solved.

So all the organized guilds that’s been playing in that server for a year should transfer to a lower tier server, till they start doing good, get full of bandwaggoners/AP’s farmers, and then transfer again. Sounds reasonable.

I’ve not had to queue on Underworld all night… feel free to come play

Nerolucido.6798:

Borders are nearly empty (as my guildmates can testify), but I’ve been queueing for almost 4 hours. Good job Anet, really good job.

Well being an Underworld player… XxX chose to flip servers what did you expect knowing that with the league season imminent and the new achievements being thrown out there, there was always the likelihood of big ques. Give it a few days and it will more than likely settle down again

lordkrall.7241:

I think the elitism comment was due to the: “People with higher ranks should get priority”. Which is more or less the definition of elitism. Giving people advantages due to them being “better”.

Absolute rubbish… I am in no way an Elitist top notch player and never likely to be but I have ploughed a lot of time into WvW on my server since Beta so yeah I agree with this idea.. its not like rank means all that much in game, but it could be useful tool when looking at server queuing

I agree that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to use rank to prioritize some players. Rank level has nothing to do with elitism. It’s elitism when someone thinks that a higher rank makes them “better” then you.

Rank is a good indication of how dedicated that person has been in the past with WvW. The more dedicated, and thus more contribution that player has been for the server, the more chances he/she should have to get priorioty in que.

Instead of seeing PvE players as a sore, maybe try and take benefit from it, and try to get them interested in WvW. The only real downside right now isn’t that some players can’t enter because of long que’s, it the possible absent of an organized force within a borderland to counter attacks that are important to act against asap.

Looking forward to getting shouted at for actually defending Stonemist instead of just letting it flip for glorious achievements.

… Wait, flipping was already meta.

Upham.6137:

style.6173:

Seriously, stop whining. Go to a lower tier server. Problem solved.

So all the organized guilds that’s been playing in that server for a year should transfer to a lower tier server, till they start doing good, get full of bandwaggoners/AP’s farmers, and then transfer again. Sounds reasonable.

Says the person on the most recent fotm server. hi jq.

Zafer.2391:

Please either totally remove the new achievements from wvw or while queuing, give priority to the people with high ranks which suggest that they have been there fighting for their server when no one else did.

But where do you draw the line for “high rank”? I’ve recently achieved Rank 60, but I have seen people that should have 200+.

However, have you looked at the achievements? There’s a handful that can be easily achieved, but then there are some that a PvE player probably isn’t going to bother with. For example, getting 50 ranks.

And besides, it’s just started, of course it’s going to be chuck full of people.

I ran 3 toons up to 80 in WvW and then basically stopped playing last spring. Making WvW worth something will at least get some, like me, to come back and take another look.

Anyone who recently transferred to a top tier server for leagues and is complaining about this should just go lie down for awhile and re-think about how you make decisions in life.

Nick.6972:

Well. I used to hate WvW too as a PvE player, but I started playing it because I wanted to get 100% Map. But I grew to like it, now I mostly wvw.

New players are welcomed, hopefully they want to improve and follow the more experienced players.

No WvWer wants to start their first match of seasons with disorganization, new players trying out WvW is fine, PvE players wanting to get achievements is fine, but it comes at the expense of the people who have been playing WvW for a long time, and have waited for something competitive like this for a long time, because now they get to wait in line.

The “Elitist” comments in this thread are really obnoxious, so people can’t be upset that they can’t even play the game mode they enjoy the most? PvE players have rightfully entered WvW, I mean it’s part of the game no one can tell them to do otherwise, but WvW players are rightfully disappointed as they have to wait in line to play something they’ve contributed a lot of time to. And I honestly think it’s unfair.

This is coming from a primarily PvE player too.

Draygo.9473:

This post make me feel great about my choice to stay on Kaineng when nearly everyone left.

I GET TO PLAY.

With yourself, ROFL.

It’ll definitely calm down soon. The nature of Achievement Hunters is that they get their achievements and then immediately go for the next achievement set.

The queues will die down after this week. It’s the initial rush and all the pve players are out trying to get their achievements. Once they get it done they won’t be setting foot in wvw again.

Calm down and ride it out. It’ll be over soon (except for T1 servers).

wvw rank does not = skill or even represent any ability in terms of defense.

Any idiot can jump in a karma train and boost thier rank. People who actually upgrade/run yaks/build and reset siege/ and generally do useful helpful things are poorly rewarded.

Have fun with your paper keeps and towers when none of the guys who upgrade can get in because they didn’t Karma train enough… Worst Idea Ever!

Well now I want to WvW just to take a spot from someone!

Lol I totally agree with this person. Reset night on this first season is not the freaking time to go achievement hunting.

It isn’t fair at all to all those wvers that have put in the time and dedication when everyone else is off in those bad matchups. Only to come back for karma trains when their server is riding the other two servers.

It isn’t elitism. It’s about not punishing those who actually work hard for their server and was looking forward to this reset night, not as ANOTHER set of achievements to get but as an interest in how wvw will now be played out. I was stuck in queue for 4 hrs. Never set a foot in the bl I was queued for and never did get in. I’m from a server that just recently became a high server, but had always been more pve than anything. So, what, a server I’ve been in since the start is now one that I should leave for a lower server so I could play?

Dev, great job. Really. I didn’t transfer at all. But if I don’t get to play I don’t get the achieves? Great thinking really, cus all that gets us is a bunch of pvers with achieves but a few dedicated wvers without it. Thanks for making these achievements available on reset night. Over flow should probably have been thought of BEFORE season and not a year after and you anet people could probably have even thought of increasing the map caps. Just maybe y’know cus of all those pve people flooding in.

Just a thought. You know those that get those achievements will be gone when they get them. Just maybe would have been a good idea to stagger them so they’d have to be there each day to get a set. Or a few times a week, every week. Just a thought.

lordkrall.7241:

I think the elitism comment was due to the: “People with higher ranks should get priority”. Which is more or less the definition of elitism. Giving people advantages due to them being “better”.

people with ranks 200+ are a lot less likely to be rally bots unlike a john doe with rank 5.

Zafer.2391:

I dont think this is elitism. This is preserving the hard core wvw player base. why didnt anyone call it elitism when Anet decided to give 500 AP to GW1 players giving an unfair advantage over other people on the rank list?

Sorry mate but if being high rank is being elite then you are not born elite, you work for it.

Should the same logic work for next PvE raid boss then? I’m pretty sure Teq was flooded with WvW players who sucked at PvE and elite PvE’ers had to carry them. Elite PvE’ers had to sit in queues and overflows because of fairweather WvW’ers wanting to do Teq.

Yet they didn’t complain at all. They adapted and worked around it.

Hint: You can too

gotem.5284:

Zafer.2391:

I dont think this is elitism. This is preserving the hard core wvw player base. why didnt anyone call it elitism when Anet decided to give 500 AP to GW1 players giving an unfair advantage over other people on the rank list?

Sorry mate but if being high rank is being elite then you are not born elite, you work for it.

Should the same logic work for next PvE raid boss then? I’m pretty sure Teq was flooded with WvW players who sucked at PvE and elite PvE’ers had to carry them. Elite PvE’ers had to sit in queues and overflows because of fairweather WvW’ers wanting to do Teq.

Yet they didn’t complain at all. They adapted and worked around it.

Hint: You can too

Alas, there is a difference. There is an OVERFLOW. You can still attempt to do teq. You can’t get into a wvw overflow. Hence the complaints. We don’t mind at all that pve people are showing an interest in wvw. I’d personally guide them through everything they know and impart my own knowledge. But I was nowhere near it, I was waiting outside.

Hmm, God forbid the game reward you for actually playing it. Really, the WvW achievements previously were a terrible joke. And yes, you are not more important than anyone else, sorry. When you stack and get bandwagoners, that’s what you were asking for. My server is having similar issues like this, but that’s just how it goes.

Theia.4830:

gotem.5284:

Zafer.2391:

I dont think this is elitism. This is preserving the hard core wvw player base. why didnt anyone call it elitism when Anet decided to give 500 AP to GW1 players giving an unfair advantage over other people on the rank list?

Sorry mate but if being high rank is being elite then you are not born elite, you work for it.

Should the same logic work for next PvE raid boss then? I’m pretty sure Teq was flooded with WvW players who sucked at PvE and elite PvE’ers had to carry them. Elite PvE’ers had to sit in queues and overflows because of fairweather WvW’ers wanting to do Teq.

Yet they didn’t complain at all. They adapted and worked around it.

Hint: You can too

Alas, there is a difference. There is an OVERFLOW. You can still attempt to do teq. You can’t get into a wvw overflow. Hence the complaints. We don’t mind at all that pve people are showing an interest in wvw. I’d personally guide them through everything they know and impart my own knowledge. But I was nowhere near it, I was waiting outside.

They are adding an Overflow. Problem solved no need for this thread. Unless it’s an I want it now thread which it isn’t.

Ah the PvErs be gone within a few weeks once they’ve got their WvW meta complete. I just hope a few of them stay around and try to help over the course of the season.

domo.4067:

lordkrall.7241:

I think the elitism comment was due to the: “People with higher ranks should get priority”. Which is more or less the definition of elitism. Giving people advantages due to them being “better”.

people with ranks 200+ are a lot less likely to be rally bots unlike a john doe with rank 5.

So bad players have no right to play the game they payed for because you don’t like it? I’m R68. 95% of that is from roaming. And after doing it as long as I have, rank 200s usually tend to be free kills.

I couldn’t get in on reset night.

I’ve queued all day today – no luck. I did get in briefly this morning but had to break to get dinner ready.
Afternoon and evening a total wash-out. I’m just wasting my time. I can’t see how this can improve enough to allow me to play even in the long term.

As far as I’m concerned, Anet may as well have just turned off their servers. It’s a pretty sad way for the game to end.

i’m having a blast on my server, and it’s really nice to see the pve’rs – I’ve been calling out instructions and training them in chat …they all understand and are more than willing to work together, we are even helping to train the pve commanders and they are supportive too.. – it’s actually refreshing. I dunno, maybe people skills will help ?

Archon.6481:

domo.4067:

lordkrall.7241:

I think the elitism comment was due to the: “People with higher ranks should get priority”. Which is more or less the definition of elitism. Giving people advantages due to them being “better”.

people with ranks 200+ are a lot less likely to be rally bots unlike a john doe with rank 5.

So bad players have no right to play the game they payed for because you don’t like it? I’m R68. 95% of that is from roaming. And after doing it as long as I have, rank 200s usually tend to be free kills.

Everything is free kill when you play thief.

Upham.6137:

style.6173:

Seriously, stop whining. Go to a lower tier server. Problem solved.

So all the organized guilds that’s been playing in that server for a year should transfer to a lower tier server, till they start doing good, get full of bandwaggoners/AP’s farmers, and then transfer again. Sounds reasonable.

Stop whining. You think all the guilds leavin the lower leagues want to? kitten, man. You’re the dumb kittens that buy guilds. That’s your server. The one that thinks every thread is a recruitment thread and the one that throws money at any guild of at least mid size.

Don’t play the victim or how you’re super loyal on the game’s biggest bandwagon/revolving door.

Organized guilds in the low tiers are fallin apart ’cause ArenaNet thinks throwin gold and maps at idiots in queue is how the game is how the game should be run and “why should I have to transfer?” is all you can come up with?

You wanna be some place where your valour shows and what you do matters and not stand in queue? Get to a low tier. Otherwise enjoy your community.

domo.4067:

people with ranks 200+ are a lot less likely to be rally bots unlike a john doe with rank 5.

That does however depend.
Maybe the rank 200+ people simply followed WPX trains all the time which would mean that they could be quite bad player, while the rank 5 can simply be a new player to WvW but still be awesome.

I have personally met quite a few Bronze + guys and many of them are actually quite bad.

I think it’s great there is some interest given to WvW from the pve types. It would be nice if they would take courteous constructive advice, follow a commander and preferably get into the server’s TS.

However that isn’t the reality of it. Even if you’re very nice and try to explain things most just don’t care they just want their achievements and are under some incomprehensible delusion they can solo them in WvW. (which coming from a T1 server is just LOL no)

I think given a few days things will fall into place some will start listening more and others will get sick of getting roflstomped and stay out.

Disastro.4086:

However that isn’t the reality of it. Even if you’re very nice and try to explain things most just don’t care they just want their achievements and are under some incomprehensible delusion they can solo them in WvW.

Lol!

Offer advice, be polite, then if they don’t take it and try to Rambo, you can sit back and chuckle

Sarrs.4831:

>stack on server
>surprised when population increases lock you out of wvw

While I don’t really have much sympathy, having those server transfers at a reduced price for another week certainly wouldn’t be taken poorly.

Agree

Draygo.9473:

This post make me feel great about my choice to stay on Kaineng when nearly everyone left.

I GET TO PLAY.

It makes me feel great that I transferred to the server that is classified as the lowest. Hahaha. I get no queues AND great battles without a lot of zergs or skill lagg.