Guild Wars 2

KyreneZA.8617:

Oh no! MQM dead? And just when Disney is releasing that biopic…

As a side note, it is creepy how much Angelina Jolie looks like me in that movie. The horns are of course just faithful to the original Disney designs, but that wicked smile… she is like a spitting image of me. It’s freaky. Now I have got to go see that movie.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

KyreneZA.8617:

Oh no! MQM dead? And just when Disney is releasing that biopic…

As a side note, it is creepy how much Angelina Jolie looks like me in that movie. The horns are of course just faithful to the original Disney designs, but that wicked smile… she is like a spitting image of me. It’s freaky. Now I have got to go see that movie.

Remaining off-topic for a smidge more: that is why I mention it here and in AG LA every opportunity I get. I have seen your avatar in game (and pictures in the necromancer sub-forum) and the resemblance really is uncanny. More so because it is unintentional—art imitating art…

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Shinzan.2908:

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Why? Just, why?

Didn’t read everything so no idea if it has been mentioned before.
But it’s also possible to just buy a lot of your wvw ranks…
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Taste_of_Liquid_World_Experience

I got a lot of those badges from achievement chests as well so people that don’t want to go to wvw should get some AP —> achievement chests —> badges of honor —> rank 30

Still i don’t see the problem.. I think i went from 0 to 10 in a day.

Dalent.9358:

So, now not only do we need Badges of Honor from WvW for a Legendary, but we also have to have a certain WvW rank for it? Why not just add PvP Rank in there too?

I get some people like WvW, but there is NOTHING fun about it in my eyes. I refused to care about Legendaries initially because of the need of Badges of Honor, but the achievement chest made that easier. Luckily I got my Gift of Battle long before this change, but now we’re dragging people into content they don’t want to be a part of even more than before.

so ?

Tongku.5326:

Dalent.9358:

So, now not only do we need Badges of Honor from WvW for a Legendary, but we also have to have a certain WvW rank for it? Why not just add PvP Rank in there too?

I get some people like WvW, but there is NOTHING fun about it in my eyes. I refused to care about Legendaries initially because of the need of Badges of Honor, but the achievement chest made that easier. Luckily I got my Gift of Battle long before this change, but now we’re dragging people into content they don’t want to be a part of even more than before.

so ?

So this:

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Pushing people into gamemode they strongly dislike is not healthy neither fot them, nor for that gamemode.

Umut.5471:

I don’t know what you are talking about, but being a little forced in WvW is better than solely being forced in PvE. The game has to adress both pve and pvp players.

Perhaps there should be legendaries for each?

1. You still don’t have to play WvW; you can buy a WvW rank for 2 laurels + 50 badges. (And while leveling, you’ll get more badges and liquid wXP.)
2. This isn’t that much different in principle from the original requirement of 500 badges. When it was first introduced, badges were hard to acquire, so two stacks worth meant you needed to invest a lot of time in WvW. Since badges are far easier to acquire today, this change returns us to the original requirement: Gift of Battle (and a legendary) requires committing some time to WvW.
3. I support the idea of encouraging people who want kitten to try out other aspects of the game. And, in the extreme case, if one really wants to avoid WvW, one can sell all the saved mats and invest in buying a legendary from the TP.

(Mind you, had it been up to me, I would have set the minimum rank to 20 instead of 30, based on my best recollection of being around r15 when I topped off my first stack of badges.)

I’ve seen a number of posts here where people seem to think that the 30 ranks replaces the 500 badge price. The way I read it, “Added a requirement to attain rank 30 in WvW in order to purchase the Gift of Battle.” means you’d need the 30 ranks to be able to spend the 500 badges. Please correct me if this is incorrect.

Then… don’t make a Legendary?
Ascended stuff has the same stats and you don’t need to WvW at all.

I’m not good at WvW ether and that 500 badge price was one of those “get to it later” goals for me. I was disappointed when all required badges just poofed to me all at once with the intro to achievement chests. Now I am at 36 rank and tons of badges that I never use.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Nokaru.7831:

Zylonite.5913:

Well now you know how the WvW players feel about being forced in doing PvE to get that higher tier gear….

PSA:
You can obtain Badges of Honor from Achievement Chests.
You can gain ranks from Laurels.
You do not need to enter WvW, except for a brief moment to buy your Gift of Battle.

And you forgot, you then need to waste laurels you need for ascended gear for levels instead. It’s not as easy as you people try to make it out so you can stop with the “buy levels” garbage, we have heard it dozens of times already and just because you keep repeating it does not make it any better.

HEY! What do you mean “You people”?

Bubi.7942:

Shinzan.2908:

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Why? Just, why?

Because I don’t want to do WvW, and don’t care about winning, so if I was forced to grind rank I’d do just that in the most effortless way possible.

What are we actually fighting for in WvW or PvP? We are not saving the world from dragons or any other dangers like in PvE so we are just bullying each other depending on our zerg numbers.
It is just gladiators arena where the kings and queens (Anet) are watching the slaves (PvEers) being slaughtered by professional gladiators (PvPers)
Disgusting, blah

I despise WvW, so I guess I won’t be doing a legendary at all…

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Nokaru.7831:

Dalent.9358:

So, now not only do we need Badges of Honor from WvW for a Legendary, but we also have to have a certain WvW rank for it? Why not just add PvP Rank in there too?

Public Service Announcement:

You can obtain Badges of Honor from Achievement Chests.
You can gain ranks from Laurels.

You do not need to enter WvW, except for a brief moment to buy your Gift of Battle.

I don’t agree with getting ranks using Laurels. We need for force these players to touch every aspect of the game before being able to craft a Legendary.

Here are my ideas:

1) Require SPvP rank 10
2) Require WvW rank 50
3) Keep other Legendary mat requirement (250 of each T6, 77 Clovers, etc.) the same.
4) Keep Icy Runestone requirement
5) Keep Precursor requirement
6) Remove Legendary Weapons from the TP

5a) Remove Precursors from the TP
5b) Add Precursor quest lines mentioned in 2013

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’ve seen a number of posts here where people seem to think that the 30 ranks replaces the 500 badge price. The way I read it, “Added a requirement to attain rank 30 in WvW in order to purchase the Gift of Battle.” means you’d need the 30 ranks to be able to spend the 500 badges. Please correct me if this is incorrect.

You are correct, however as people also pointed out the value of a BoH is far lower then it once was.

It was harder to acquire. Now there are far more sources in WvW, and the existing ones got buffed. Additionally, and by no means a small factor in this, is how Boh now come from achievement chests. And you get a lot of badges from a single chest.

To the point that getting 500 badges is very easy, to the point that its become a no-effort for a pve player. You will earn these badges plentifully from your pve experience.

Shinzan.2908:

Bubi.7942:

Shinzan.2908:

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Why? Just, why?

Because I don’t want to do WvW, and don’t care about winning, so if I was forced to grind rank I’d do just that in the most effortless way possible.

Imo you guys are just super entitled. You never bother to think how much WvW players hate doing the mindless task of world exploration. And I can assure you that takes a lot longer than getting a simple r30 in WvW. If you want a legendary you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone a bit. I hated map completion with a passion, but I did it just like you are going to either have to spend your precious laurels or spend some time in WvW. Why you have come under the assumption that getting a legendary should be easy is beyond me…

Terrahero.9358:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’ve seen a number of posts here where people seem to think that the 30 ranks replaces the 500 badge price. The way I read it, “Added a requirement to attain rank 30 in WvW in order to purchase the Gift of Battle.” means you’d need the 30 ranks to be able to spend the 500 badges. Please correct me if this is incorrect.

You are correct, however as people also pointed out the value of a BoH is far lower then it once was.

It was harder to acquire. Now there are far more sources in WvW, and the existing ones got buffed. Additionally, and by no means a small factor in this, is how Boh now come from achievement chests. And you get a lot of badges from a single chest.

To the point that getting 500 badges is very easy, to the point that its become a no-effort for a pve player. You will earn these badges plentifully from your pve experience.

100% Correct.

I knew a long time ago to get 500 badges was going to take some time. I never had gone into WvW much and at the time had no lvl 80 toons. Then when Achievement Chests came in, I had 1,000 Badges of Honor in a few days. I’ve had the Gift of Battle sitting in my bank ever since.

It is a shame they put a Rank requirement to that, but obviously they see the error in that and will now be taking it away.

eleshazar.6902:

Shinzan.2908:

Bubi.7942:

Shinzan.2908:

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Why? Just, why?

Because I don’t want to do WvW, and don’t care about winning, so if I was forced to grind rank I’d do just that in the most effortless way possible.

Imo you guys are just super entitled. You never bother to think how much WvW players hate doing the mindless task of world exploration. And I can assure you that takes a lot longer than getting a simple r30 in WvW. If you want a legendary you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone a bit. I hated map completion with a passion, but I did it just like you are going to either have to spend your precious laurels or spend some time in WvW. Why you have come under the assumption that getting a legendary should be easy is beyond me…

pretty sure nobody considered getting a legendary easy… the sheer randomness of a precursor alone effectively nixes any thoughts of it being easy and turns it into an incredible grind. (either grinding champions in the hope of a precursor or grinding gold and just buying one)

so now Anet has added another element of grind.. to an already ridiculous grind. Either grind to 30 in WvW.. or grind the laurels (which are in themselves an impressive grind already).

ultimately it all boils down to one thing: GRIND, and on an epic scale to boot.

edit: looks like some reconsideration has occurred…. good, it needed to. This particular update was polarizing enough without this added issue.

Arkanaloth.3059:

eleshazar.6902:

Shinzan.2908:

Bubi.7942:

Shinzan.2908:

I got my gift of battle by running the WvW jumping puzzle in stealth. If I had to grind rank too I’d probably do it naked following a zerg and standing in circles, so basically not contributing to the WvW effort and taking away slots for those who actually care to PvP. Basically glad I don’t have to do this because I was lucky to get my gift before this patch. :p

Why? Just, why?

Because I don’t want to do WvW, and don’t care about winning, so if I was forced to grind rank I’d do just that in the most effortless way possible.

Imo you guys are just super entitled. You never bother to think how much WvW players hate doing the mindless task of world exploration. And I can assure you that takes a lot longer than getting a simple r30 in WvW. If you want a legendary you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone a bit. I hated map completion with a passion, but I did it just like you are going to either have to spend your precious laurels or spend some time in WvW. Why you have come under the assumption that getting a legendary should be easy is beyond me…

pretty sure nobody considered getting a legendary easy… the sheer randomness of a precursor alone effectively nixes any thoughts of it being easy and turns it into an incredible grind. (either grinding champions in the hope of a precursor or grinding gold and just buying one)

so now Anet has added another element of grind.. to an already ridiculous grind. Either grind to 30 in WvW.. or grind the laurels (which are in themselves an impressive grind already).

ultimately it all boils down to one thing: GRIND, and on an epic scale to boot.

It isn’t more grind than was originally intended though. Before AP chests we had to get our gift of battles from actually getting 500 badges in WvW (and the drop rate back then was awful). So they made it too easy with the AP chests, which they realized eliminated the need to step foot in WvW. They made this change (which is good imo) but because of the flood of QQ from the PvErs they remove it -.-

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

problem is, it was actually meant for people to pvp in order to be legendary, apparently they have reconsidered

Delvoire.8930:

I knew a long time ago to get 500 badges was going to take some time.

My first Gift of Battle took me 2004 player kills to get, back then I didn’t puzzle jump and map completion didn’t reward them

As of the Feb 18 build, the requirement is being temporarily removed. This is the time for all the people who complained to get their Gift using only Badges. I’m going to push hard for Anet to increase the requirements beyond rank 30, since that’s much too low.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Update on this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Gift-of-Battle-rank-requirement-update

PvE only players had it too easy getting hundreds of WvW tokens thrown at them in every achieve box.

That said I was hoping that they would start throwing Dungeon tokens in those box so WvW only people can get a legendary but I knew that was never going to happen.

eleshazar.6902:

Imo you guys are just super entitled. You never bother to think how much WvW players hate doing the mindless task of world exploration. And I can assure you that takes a lot longer than getting a simple r30 in WvW. If you want a legendary you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone a bit. I hated map completion with a passion, but I did it just like you are going to either have to spend your precious laurels or spend some time in WvW. Why you have come under the assumption that getting a legendary should be easy is beyond me…

The difference is that PvE is the main point of GW2 if you don’t like doing RPG stuff you probably shouldn’t be playing a MMORPG. PvP is a side dish that isn’t for ever everyone and should be optional. And my example was supposed to show that forcing people into PvP just gets you people who don’t want to be there and ruin it for those who do.

If anet wants more people in WvW they need to make WvW something more people want to play in, simple as that.

Shinzan.2908:

eleshazar.6902:

Imo you guys are just super entitled. You never bother to think how much WvW players hate doing the mindless task of world exploration. And I can assure you that takes a lot longer than getting a simple r30 in WvW. If you want a legendary you are going to have to get out of your comfort zone a bit. I hated map completion with a passion, but I did it just like you are going to either have to spend your precious laurels or spend some time in WvW. Why you have come under the assumption that getting a legendary should be easy is beyond me…

The difference is that PvE is the main point of GW2 if you don’t like doing RPG stuff you probably shouldn’t be playing a MMORPG. PvP is a side dish that isn’t for ever everyone and should be optional. And my example was supposed to show that forcing people into PvP just gets you people who don’t want to be there and ruin it for those who do.

If anet wants more people in WvW they need to make WvW something more people want to play in, simple as that.

well, they never wanted it to be pve only game, and wvw is more popular than you think.

I think they should make WvW obtained legendary skins for each legendary. blue flame incinerators, purple energy predator(like the old one) etc. Of course people would complain, but wvw could have some sort of flashy items for itself

Shinzan.2908:

If anet wants more people in WvW they need to make WvW something more people want to play in, simple as that.

It already is. WvW lets you kill ambient creatures, as well as enemy NPCs. If you’re not good at player vs player combat, simply run away from the red name tags.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Shinzan.2908:

If anet wants more people in WvW they need to make WvW something more people want to play in, simple as that.

It already is. WvW lets you kill ambient creatures, as well as enemy NPCs. If you’re not good at player vs player combat, simply run away from the red name tags.

Why would you want me to be taking up a slot doing that if people actually wanting to win want to go in though?

Peacenote.1698:

Question about this: from what I understand of WvW, isn’t there more of a danger of ruining the spirit of WvW by “forcing” uninterested players to participate than there is in PvE?

What I mean by this is, if WvW players hate regular PvE content, but slowly trudge through it to get their Legendary, it isn’t ruining the PvE experience of other players. Those folks can blaze through vistas and hearts and other PvE activities needed for completion without being held back by the WvW folks who perhaps are grudgingly completing the content.

But, in WvW, there is a limit to folks who can enter the map, you have to queue, servers are competing against each other, etc. Seems to me that the balance will be upset if the areas get filled up with “regular” PvE’ers that are doing it just to get their rank, but have no interest in learning the ins and outs of WvW. Won’t that negatively impact the epic battles and strategy of WvW for those who do enjoy it?

I don’t play WvW, and I doubt I’ll ever have a Legendary, so this is really more a question posed out of curiosity. Maybe the “fairness” of having more requirements for a Legendary in WvW actually messes too much with the experience of why most people actually participate?

Seems to me that adding badges to the chests was a way for folks to get their Legendaries via a slower path, without interfering with the experience for the people who actually cared about WvW, while real completionists could get their Legendary faster by actively participating in all aspects of the game, including WvW. Now that might be disrupted by folks joining just to get to rank 30.

WvW straddles the line between PvE and PvP. I think a better solution would be to have Legendaries be crafted by a certain number of Gifts, but require at least one less than all of them so folks aren’t forced to do something they truly aren’t interested in. Have a PvE one, a PvP one, a WvW one, a crafting one, and a “collect lots of stuff one,” but require only 3/5 or 4/5 to make the Legendary.

Even better, have an alternate version where you could create a Legendary with 5 “lesser” gifts, which all have slightly less requirements to create, but reward folks who explore all areas of the game but don’t master every one.

Good assessment and one I agree with. I realize there are those among the player base who have no interest in WvWvW and would rather not be there (and the dedicated WvWvW-ers don’t want you there, either, for the reasons Peacenote outlined above).

Fortunately, there’s a middle-ground solution; go to the new Edge of the Mists map. You can earn WXP there, it’s a zerg-fest (which means you can earn WXP very quickly), and the PvE-ers pursuing a Legendary won’t cross paths with the WvWvW faithful who still play the original maps.

Just find a blue commander icon, stick to it like glue (and I mean that; you watch the commander like a hawk and become their shadow), attack what they attack, and you’ll be rank 30 in about a week depending on how often you play. You could probably even hit rank 30 in one weekend if you played enough.

Shinzan.2908:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Shinzan.2908:

If anet wants more people in WvW they need to make WvW something more people want to play in, simple as that.

It already is. WvW lets you kill ambient creatures, as well as enemy NPCs. If you’re not good at player vs player combat, simply run away from the red name tags.

Why would you want me to be taking up a slot doing that if people actually wanting to win want to go in though?

PvE’ers complain a lot when “forced” to do WvW to get a legendary (which heck..is supposed to be LEGENDARY, and NOT essential). WvW players counter by saying “We have to do a LOT more PvE grinding that we don’t want to do than you have to do in WvW”, and PvE players seem to just skirt around it. Why is it ok when WvW players are ‘forced’ to play a gameplay they don’t want for a legendary, but its a crime against humanity when PvE’ers have to a tiny bit of game play they don’t want for the SAME legendary?

Can I make the same argument saying that all the PvE requirements (dungeons for instance) should be taken off the legendaries because I, as a WvW player, is forced to play a game mode I don’t like to get it? (Heck, I mean, you PvE’ers certain don’t want us WvW players going into your dungeon runs in PTV gear taking up spots for players with zerker gear…) I mean, I’d love to be able to turn my badges as well into all the different PvE-only gifts. Would that be ok? You can get your Gift of Battle (without the battle), and we can get our dungeon Gift’s without the dungeons. Deal?

Handin.4032:

PvE’ers complain a lot when “forced” to do WvW to get a legendary (which heck..is supposed to be LEGENDARY, and NOT essential). WvW players counter by saying “We have to do a LOT more PvE grinding that we don’t want to do than you have to do in WvW”, and PvE players seem to just skirt around it. Why is it ok when WvW players are ‘forced’ to play a gameplay they don’t want for a legendary, but its a crime against humanity when PvE’ers have to a tiny bit of game play they don’t want for the SAME legendary?

Can I make the same argument saying that all the PvE requirements (dungeons for instance) should be taken off the legendaries because I, as a WvW player, is forced to play a game mode I don’t like to get it? (Heck, I mean, you PvE’ers certain don’t want us WvW players going into your dungeon runs in PTV gear taking up spots for players with zerker gear…) I mean, I’d love to be able to turn my badges as well into all the different PvE-only gifts. Would that be ok? You can get your Gift of Battle (without the battle), and we can get our dungeon Gift’s without the dungeons. Deal?

To the first part, because PvP is just a part of GW2, a mainly PvE game – and not the other way around.

For the second part, sure why not? You can already buy a legendary of the TP for gold only, so I see no reason why you shouldn’t be able to buy one for badges of honor or even just glory.

I don’t understand. Gift of Battle is like 1% of what it takes to get a legendary.

Thinking about the other 99% I’d have to do just like makes me wanna vomit with how grindy it is but you guys are completely paralyzed by the easiest step? Even if they add 30 WvW ranks to it, it’s still the easiest gift in the game.

Nokaru.7831:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

And you forgot, you then need to waste laurels you need for ascended gear for levels instead. It’s not as easy as you people try to make it out so you can stop with the “buy levels” garbage, we have heard it dozens of times already and just because you keep repeating it does not make it any better.

I haven’t forgotten anything. Sorry that your Gift of Battle isn’t free anymore because you happened to do some PvE Achievements. You don’t have to do WvW, so you have nothing to complain about. If you want to save on Laurels, then go to WvW. The point is you have options, and have absolutely nothing valid to complain about.

However, ask a WvW’er what they need to do to get a Legendary. They have to go to Dungeons, and they would definitely spend Laurels as a substitute if they were given that choice. Either go to WvW or spend your Laurels. It’s ridiculous that the Gift of Battle was essentially free due to the Achievement chests.

I have no need of a gift of battle since I will not be getting any legendries. ugliest skins in the game and the particle effects are just annoying.
If I really want one, it’s not an issue as I can get one or many at any time. Ranks? not an issue. Badges of Honor? not an issue. You assume that I don’t like the change because I want a gift of battle “for free”. The truth is I do not want any, have no use for any and could get one any time if I ever did change my mind. My main complaint is they have allowed players to get their legendries without this requirement. If they are going to change it, then it needs to be retroactive. You can’t change the rules mid stream and create 3 different classes of players. If they are going to make rank 30 a requirement, it should be a requirement to equip a legendary weapon. Many of you keep sayeing “you have to play all aspects of the game”, fine! no problem with that, but it needs to apply to EVERYONE, not just a few. Buy it off the TP? sure, but you can’t equip it until your rank 30. Crafted it since the AP chests gave you all the Badges of Honor you need so never played WvW, same thing, get to rank 30 before you can equip it again. Rules and requirements need to apply to ALL players or none.

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

What’s so PVP about it? As pointed by FrozenStar, it’s just zerging like a champ train. I will never understand these PVErs. I’m not looking down on them though for that. I look down on them for all the whining they are doing over this small change.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

Yeah. I hate gathering. Yet I’m forced to do it, because otherwise I’m not gonna get enough mats for gold and stuff. I would have a harder time doing my dailies. Shame on ANet for forcing me to do it.

But you know what? I suck it up and JUST DO IT. Because if I want to achieve my goals, I need to.

Do you see me complaining on the forums about the need to Gather? Of course not.
And it’s not just that. If you think Gathering is such a small assinine thing, there are tons of other stuff I don’t enjoy at all in this game but I’m “forced” to because I want my legendary. Let’s start with stupid kitten Map Completion. Reknown Hearts. UGH!!! I hate doing that. But I’m “forced” to do it, right? Do you see me QQing in the forums that they take out Reknown Hearts? Of course not.

Because then I’d look as stupid as the guy who started this thread.

Mochann.5298:

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

What’s so PVP about it? As pointed by FrozenStar, it’s just zerging like a champ train. I will never understand these PVErs. I’m not looking down on them though for that. I look down on them for all the whining they are doing over this small change.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

Yeah. I hate gathering. Yet I’m forced to do it, because otherwise I’m not gonna get enough mats for gold and stuff. I would have a harder time doing my dailies. Shame on ANet for forcing me to do it.

But you know what? I suck it up and JUST DO IT. Because if I want to achieve my goals, I need to.

Do you see me complaining on the forums about the need to Gather? Of course not.
And it’s not just that. If you think Gathering is such a small assinine thing, there are tons of other stuff I don’t enjoy at all in this game but I’m “forced” to because I want my legendary. Let’s start with stupid kitten Map Completion. Reknown Hearts. UGH!!! I hate doing that. But I’m “forced” to do it, right? Do you see me QQing in the forums that they take out Reknown Hearts? Of course not.

Because then I’d look as stupid as the guy who started this thread.

I’m just saying I see where PVE only players come from in that aspect.

Personally, I like pvp mixed in with my PVE experience.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Nokaru.7831:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

And you forgot, you then need to waste laurels you need for ascended gear for levels instead. It’s not as easy as you people try to make it out so you can stop with the “buy levels” garbage, we have heard it dozens of times already and just because you keep repeating it does not make it any better.

I haven’t forgotten anything. Sorry that your Gift of Battle isn’t free anymore because you happened to do some PvE Achievements. You don’t have to do WvW, so you have nothing to complain about. If you want to save on Laurels, then go to WvW. The point is you have options, and have absolutely nothing valid to complain about.

However, ask a WvW’er what they need to do to get a Legendary. They have to go to Dungeons, and they would definitely spend Laurels as a substitute if they were given that choice. Either go to WvW or spend your Laurels. It’s ridiculous that the Gift of Battle was essentially free due to the Achievement chests.

I have no need of a gift of battle since I will not be getting any legendries. ugliest skins in the game and the particle effects are just annoying.
If I really want one, it’s not an issue as I can get one or many at any time. Ranks? not an issue. Badges of Honor? not an issue. You assume that I don’t like the change because I want a gift of battle “for free”. The truth is I do not want any, have no use for any and could get one any time if I ever did change my mind. My main complaint is they have allowed players to get their legendries without this requirement. If they are going to change it, then it needs to be retroactive. You can’t change the rules mid stream and create 3 different classes of players. If they are going to make rank 30 a requirement, it should be a requirement to equip a legendary weapon. Many of you keep sayeing “you have to play all aspects of the game”, fine! no problem with that, but it needs to apply to EVERYONE, not just a few. Buy it off the TP? sure, but you can’t equip it until your rank 30. Crafted it since the AP chests gave you all the Badges of Honor you need so never played WvW, same thing, get to rank 30 before you can equip it again. Rules and requirements need to apply to ALL players or none.

That logic is broken.

How about the PrecursorCrafting that they will be introducing? Should they retroactively delete all Legendaries because it’s unfair that Precursor Crafting is going to be introduced, creating three classes of players (or whatever you were trying to get at with that)?

Things happen. Games Evolve. Change is something you can’t stop. There’s no need to get anal about the past. I mean, there are far bigger headaches than this. Imagine, I am only now doing legendary crafting and my precursor costs 700 gold. A year ago it only cost like 50 gold. That really kittenes me off, but I just suck it up and get on with my life. If ANet chooses to finally introduce Precursor Crafting, I’m not gonna reject it because it makes things “unfair” for the earlier people.

You can be anal about this level 30 requirement, but there’s really no need to. Stickler for principle and all that, eh?

Besides, all this is moot because ANet already repealed it.

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

What’s so PVP about it? As pointed by FrozenStar, it’s just zerging like a champ train. I will never understand these PVErs. I’m not looking down on them though for that. I look down on them for all the whining they are doing over this small change.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

Yeah. I hate gathering. Yet I’m forced to do it, because otherwise I’m not gonna get enough mats for gold and stuff. I would have a harder time doing my dailies. Shame on ANet for forcing me to do it.

But you know what? I suck it up and JUST DO IT. Because if I want to achieve my goals, I need to.

Do you see me complaining on the forums about the need to Gather? Of course not.
And it’s not just that. If you think Gathering is such a small assinine thing, there are tons of other stuff I don’t enjoy at all in this game but I’m “forced” to because I want my legendary. Let’s start with stupid kitten Map Completion. Reknown Hearts. UGH!!! I hate doing that. But I’m “forced” to do it, right? Do you see me QQing in the forums that they take out Reknown Hearts? Of course not.

Because then I’d look as stupid as the guy who started this thread.

I’m just saying I see where PVE only players come from in that aspect.

Personally, I like pvp mixed in with my PVE experience.

My bad if it came out that I was lumping you in on the “other side” of the argument.
But anyhow, if you can see the PVE side of it, surely you can also see the other side? I’m not a WVW-only person by any stretch, I used to be a PVE-only person but then I got to the point where I needed that gift of battle, so I just dove into WvW, got my 500 badges in like 4 days, and a good number of ranks on top of that. It was easy as hell.

So I really just laugh at the people who are still allergic to WvW for some reason. I can’t understand this “I’m a PVE only I don’t want to touch PVP with a ten foot pole!” mentality. It’s ridiculously stupid in my eyes.

Mochann.5298:

So I really just laugh at the people who are still allergic to WvW for some reason. I can’t understand this “I’m a PVE only I don’t want to touch PVP with a ten foot pole!” mentality. It’s ridiculously stupid in my eyes.

That might just be because you lack empathy and a general awareness of what makes other people tick. Or do you have another explanation for your lack of understanding?

Mochann.5298:

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

What’s so PVP about it? As pointed by FrozenStar, it’s just zerging like a champ train. I will never understand these PVErs. I’m not looking down on them though for that. I look down on them for all the whining they are doing over this small change.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

Yeah. I hate gathering. Yet I’m forced to do it, because otherwise I’m not gonna get enough mats for gold and stuff. I would have a harder time doing my dailies. Shame on ANet for forcing me to do it.

But you know what? I suck it up and JUST DO IT. Because if I want to achieve my goals, I need to.

Do you see me complaining on the forums about the need to Gather? Of course not.
And it’s not just that. If you think Gathering is such a small assinine thing, there are tons of other stuff I don’t enjoy at all in this game but I’m “forced” to because I want my legendary. Let’s start with stupid kitten Map Completion. Reknown Hearts. UGH!!! I hate doing that. But I’m “forced” to do it, right? Do you see me QQing in the forums that they take out Reknown Hearts? Of course not.

Because then I’d look as stupid as the guy who started this thread.

I’m just saying I see where PVE only players come from in that aspect.

Personally, I like pvp mixed in with my PVE experience.

My bad if it came out that I was lumping you in on the “other side” of the argument.
But anyhow, if you can see the PVE side of it, surely you can also see the other side? I’m not a WVW-only person by any stretch, I used to be a PVE-only person but then I got to the point where I needed that gift of battle, so I just dove into WvW, got my 500 badges in like 4 days, and a good number of ranks on top of that. It was easy as hell.

So I really just laugh at the people who are still allergic to WvW for some reason. I can’t understand this “I’m a PVE only I don’t want to touch PVP with a ten foot pole!” mentality. It’s ridiculously stupid in my eyes.

Calling players “stupid” because you do not agree with their opinion is the last resort of someone who can not support their own opinion.
I am one of the players who will not Play WvW. I played it. I do not like it, and I do not like most of the players who play it. I have been in guilds and left because of the way they treated their members over WvW. Using language that would make a truck driver blush because in their minds, other players where not following their “expert instructions”. PvP/WvW/sPvP in this game is toxic. I play games for fun, not to deal with a bunch of 12 year olds with behavior problems.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Yeah, force me in to WvW and I may start trying to “play the way I want”.
I think I may want to walk golems off the cliff just to see if they can fly, or maybe see how much supplies I can use by building siege equipment as far behind friendly lines as possible (keeps them safe that way). The ways I can “play the way I want” seem almost endless. ;-)

Whelp enjoy half the WvW map reporting you for that stuff and most likely getting banned for griefing.

But seriously though. Quit bloody crying. It’s a legendary. Rank 30 isn’t even hard to get. Not one little itty bitty bit. You might even like it. I didn’t enjoy WvW until I was at the Gift of Battle point of my legendary… and now alongside two others I’m running a prominent WvW guild on IoJ, and I’m a regular commander on my server. I love WvW now.

Legendaries should require a lot more work and a lot less gold. Make it require the Legendary rank in WvW and then we’re talking. Maybe add in rank 20 in PvP, Dungeon Master, Rank 30 in Fractals, 7,000 AP, finishing your personal story, 1k dragonite ore and whatever else can make it stupidly hard.

Shinzan.2908:

To the first part, because PvP is just a part of GW2, a mainly PvE game – and not the other way around.

Wrong. GW2 is both PvE and PvP based. Part of the plan ANet had in the beginning was to get GW2 to be an eSport. You can’t win $100,000 from doing just PvE.

Handin.4032:

Shinzan.2908:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Shinzan.2908:

If anet wants more people in WvW they need to make WvW something more people want to play in, simple as that.

It already is. WvW lets you kill ambient creatures, as well as enemy NPCs. If you’re not good at player vs player combat, simply run away from the red name tags.

Why would you want me to be taking up a slot doing that if people actually wanting to win want to go in though?

PvE’ers complain a lot when “forced” to do WvW to get a legendary (which heck..is supposed to be LEGENDARY, and NOT essential). WvW players counter by saying “We have to do a LOT more PvE grinding that we don’t want to do than you have to do in WvW”, and PvE players seem to just skirt around it.

No, PvE players do not “skirt around it”. PvE players just think, that if something is a problem to WvW players, then those players should strive to get the situation improved, instead of acting to have the situation worsened for everyone else as well.

Handin.4032:

Why is it ok when WvW players are ‘forced’ to play a gameplay they don’t want for a legendary, but its a crime against humanity when PvE’ers have to a tiny bit of game play they don’t want for the SAME legendary?

Why is that it’s not okay for WvW players to be forced into PvE for Legendary, but it is okay for PvE players to be forced to PvP for the same?

PvE players say “it’s not okay for us”. WvW players say “it’s not okay for us, so it should be okay for you”. See the difference?

Handin.4032:

Can I make the same argument saying that all the PvE requirements (dungeons for instance) should be taken off the legendaries because I, as a WvW player, is forced to play a game mode I don’t like to get it?

Yes, of course you can.

Handin.4032:

I mean, I’d love to be able to turn my badges as well into all the different PvE-only gifts. Would that be ok? You can get your Gift of Battle (without the battle), and we can get our dungeon Gift’s without the dungeons. Deal?

Deal.

Astralporing.1957:

Handin.4032:

Why is it ok when WvW players are ‘forced’ to play a gameplay they don’t want for a legendary, but its a crime against humanity when PvE’ers have to a tiny bit of game play they don’t want for the SAME legendary?

Why is that it’s not okay for WvW players to be forced into PvE for Legendary, but it is okay for PvE players to be forced to PvP for the same?

PvE players say “it’s not okay for us”. WvW players say “it’s not okay for us, so it should be okay for you”. See the difference?

Handin.4032:

Can I make the same argument saying that all the PvE requirements (dungeons for instance) should be taken off the legendaries because I, as a WvW player, is forced to play a game mode I don’t like to get it?

Yes, of course you can.

Handin.4032:

I mean, I’d love to be able to turn my badges as well into all the different PvE-only gifts. Would that be ok? You can get your Gift of Battle (without the battle), and we can get our dungeon Gift’s without the dungeons. Deal?

Deal.

It’s like WvW players are all “If we have to leave WvW and do PvE for our Legendaries, then you should have to play WvW.”

In all honesty, I don’t think any PvE players care if you can earn a Legendary solely through WvW.

It’s kind of absurd, to be honest.

I completely agree that you should be able to trade-in Badges of Honor for Dungeon tokens.

I also think that Ascendeds should be vastly more accessible by this point.

It’s clear now that adding another gear tier for people to grind for didn’t keep people from leaving the game.

mexay.3902:

finishing your personal story,

5 lvl 80’s and I’ve yet to finish the PS