Guild Wars 2

Is this a bug or what?. Why move the layout?.

It’s annoying is what it is. No reason for the change.

Yeah, just logged in and the middle 3 are all rearranged … wow. Ugh.

It’s not a bug. Patch notes:

We are moving towards retaliation being more of a counter to taking many hits rather than a general boon to keep up all the time. We also wanted to improve the combo finisher of the guardian, so we reorganized guardian greatsword skills to the following:
Skill 2: Whirling Wrath (10 second recharge)
Skill 3: Leap of Faith (15 second recharge)
Skill 4: Symbol of Wrath (20 second recharge)

It’s part of an ongoing effort to change the way Retaliation is being used in the meta.

It better be, now my fingers are all confused…. I haven’t checked the other weapons/skills/changes yet, but I’m not happy >:O

“We are moving towards retaliation being more of a counter to taking many hits rather than a general boon to keep up all the time. We also wanted to improve the combo finisher of the guardian, so we reorganized guardian greatsword skills to the following:”

Instead of nerfing Greatswords, a buff to Swords/Scepter would be welcome!

Greatsword/Hammer are our only decent weapons for combo finishers, and we have no utility skills for finishers…

The retaliation nerf was expected, it was indeed kinda too much powerful but other weapons could use some love too!

What the kitten Anet? You rearrange the greatsword skills and then increase the recharge on Symbol of Wrath to 20 seconds? WHY?! WHY!? What the kitten was the point!?

Puppies that layout is so annoying, 60 levels of finger memory ruined. I honestly think Anet have it in for the guardian proffesion.

Just logged in too and i’m so upset! I have played 700ish hours as a greatsword guardian (200h Beta 500h Live) and now they decide to change the order of the skills? Just no.

Wow epic epic fail. Why the hell would you change the way moves are ordered. You have any idea how hard coded my brain is to the old layout.

If they we’re going to adjust the times etc then why not just do that, why on earth change the order of the moves?, it makes no sence.

I’m pretty sure Anet doesn’t want guardian to have a viable weapon.

Pretty awesome, now I don’t have to have finger confusion switching from GS warrior to GS guard.

stop the complaining.. You will adjust.

thanks for the pointless and detrimental swapping of skills on the guardian greatsword. slowclap

“Rearranged” doesn’t make sense.

Maybe they wanted to ease how we combo? #2 for Field, 3 for Whirl, 4 for Leap, 5 for Whirl.
Now it’s #4 for Field, #2 for Whirl, #3 for Leap, #5 for Whirl… ugh

It’s annoying at worst, it’s not really a large problem but it seems fairly pointless to change the order of skills.

I agree that the change to the keys on Greatsword is quite annoying. Why not give us the abililty to assign whatever keys we want to whatever attacks/abilities we have available to us?

@ Lysico – until they change it again.

Spamming Symbol of Wrath was a little too powerful. But no one likes stuff like that being taken away :/

I agree this one really annoys me.
Skill 2: Whirling Wrath
Skill 3: Leap of Faith
Skill 4: Symbol of Wrath

It should go back to
Skill 2: Symbol of Wrath
Skill 3: Whirling Wrath
Skill 4: Leap of Faith

Somebody really dropped the ball on this one.

Glad I don’t play guardian anymore, that would bug the hell out of me.

So how does rearranging the skill order have anything to do with retaliation or combo finishers?

They want to prevent us from comboing? That may stop new players, but not people who know what they are doing.

Dalmar.1358:

I agree that the change to the keys on Greatsword is quite annoying. Why not give us the abililty to assign whatever keys we want to whatever attacks/abilities we have available to us?

This. Assigning your skills how you like them is in virtually EVERY other MMO.

They changed the CD’s too.

They should just allow us to reconfigure the slot locations of weapon skills.

Thumb down on the skill hotkeys changes. It’s not like there was some sort of cohesiveness between the skill hotkeys in the first place (if there were they would have made Leap the same position as Flashing Blade, for example).

Why not just give us the option to customize our skill hotkeys instead? Can’t we decide what works best for us, in term of how to organize our hotkeys?

They changed the arrangement of the skills on the bar due to the changed cooldowns. Weapon skills are placed in order of cooldown.

So in order to nerf retaliation on Guardians, they decide to nerf Greatsword entirely by doubling the cooldown on the symbol.

Since … Guardians were such powerhouses before, reducing their damage is clearly fine. It’s not like they could have simply targeted the RETALIATION aspect of the symbol, no, they need to double the cooldown in order for us to not get retaliation as often.

This alongside the skill order change pretty much makes this the worst patch yet. I’m just glad XCom comes out in two days.

Zeph.5927:

Spamming Symbol of Wrath was only remotely effective against dumb AI in PvE. So why in the hell did they nerf it!?!?

Not sure what you mean by dumb AI. Retaliation was effective against a lot of enemies.

Guys, they reduced the cooldown on Leap of Faith to compensate for the Symbol of Wrath increase. I don’t know why that isn’t in the notes.

Since I don’t regularly even use greatsword, the change doesn’t bother me at all shrugs

Bluebird.1890:

Guys, they reduced the cooldown on Leap of Faith to compensate for the Symbol of Wrath increase. I don’t know why that isn’t in the notes.

Did they reduce the CD on Whirling Wrath too? I don’t know how to compare to the old skills.

The change was made to make recharge times cascade 10 → 15 → 20 since they changed it. Most of the other abilities for classes already follow this rule.

Old cooldowns were: Whirling 10s, Symbol 10s, Leap 20s. Most skill calculators haven’t been updated yet for this patch.

I’m not sure either how changing the order is an improvement.

This change makes no sense. Why change something after like 2 months? So bad. Changing the order of my skills does not improve combo fields. Pretty bad decision.

Bluebird.1890:

Guys, they reduced the cooldown on Leap of Faith to compensate for the Symbol of Wrath increase. I don’t know why that isn’t in the notes.

Nevermind, they updated the wiki really fast.

I used Symbol of Wrath as one of my main sources of damage in PvE, and now it’s cooldown is way to freaking long. The retaliation aspect of the skill was secondary to me. And if it was that big of a deal, then change the retaliation part of the skill, not the kitten cooldown!

Posted a feedback thread about this in the Suggestions forum, feel free to use it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Feedback-Guardian-Greatsword-change-10-7/first#post370609

NetherDiver.6079:

They should just allow us to reconfigure the slot locations of weapon skills.

Exactly, once all skills are unlocked, you should be able to rearrange them.
I know its a small change, but you don’t know how frustrating it is to break muscle memory especially when the guild has a tournament scheduled.

As posted in the other thread, the skill order was changed based on the cooldown of the skills. It makes sense from this point of view, but is still extremely terrible to inflict this on us on top of the overall nerfs.

Um, ok. This is disturbing. How often are they going to suddenly switch the skill order around? How could they think this wouldn’t be insanely irritating. The explanation made absolutely no sense.

It’s bad enough that we can’t control where they are in the first place. We suck it up and train ourselves to play their way. It’s even worse that they just randomly change the order without warning.

The bottom line is this: This proves that we need to be able to control where we put our skills.

Yeah, you’d think something this trivial wouldn’t matter but what’s next? I’d like to know how often this kind of thing will happen.

Can this be considered a nerf?

NetherDiver.6079:

Zeph.5927:

Spamming Symbol of Wrath was only remotely effective against dumb AI in PvE. So why in the hell did they nerf it!?!?

Not sure what you mean by dumb AI. Retaliation was effective against a lot of enemies.

I meant as in the AI was stupid enough to stand in it. In PvP, players move out of symbols when they see one laid down. So not only were symbols somewhat useless in PvP, they are now even more so (at least for greatsword).

Why on earth did you feel the need to move the Guardians skills for the GS around? Alter the values all you want, but move the actual skill and it’s corresponding number? Why?

Good Thing I play with a Keypad Razer Nostrodomu on my left Hand I’ll just Rearrange this 13425 back to 12345 Easy Fix For me LOLOLOl

I kittened about it in map chat until somebody said to just re-bind your keys back to the way it was.

I couldn’t care less about the retaliation changes, but for gods sake, don’t move the skills around. Yes, I know it’s tied to cooldowns, yes I get the idea behind that, but that doesn’t make it a good system if there’s no option to manually re-arrange the keys.