Guild Wars 2

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

The experts have pretty much weighed in. Not sure who else you’re looking to hear from.

I asked for a guide, not a second opinion. As i wrote, the bickering ruin the forum imo and a guide might channel all this misplaced energy. A guide was also posted and if you read my answer in that thread i didnt ask for a second opinion but supported it immediately and also asked the mods for a sticky.

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

I dont see a need to be an expert in a particular area of the game in order to be competent in writing a guide on how to build for dps. But hopefully someone can put some effort into this, especially since there is a guide to pve, which might encourage someone to write it.

Brutaly.6257:

I dont see a need to be an expert in a particular area of the game in order to be competent in writing a guide on how to build for dps. But hopefully someone can put some effort into this, especially since there is a guide to pve, which might encourage someone to write it.

I keep seeing people mentioning that only dps matters in pve. Shouldn’t that mean that guide to pve is wrong? My own build tries to be balanced as much as possible though.

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

Agreed. The mods should have stepped in here to clean out the rude attacks and flame posts. Spirit Weapons … No wonder some people function better with groups.

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

I too understand the value of dodging nothing. When you dodge it increases your run speed for 0.5 of a second and that could mean the difference between getting zerged down or not. Can’t believe you dungeon hardcores sometimes, don’t understand the implications of WvW.

Hello everybody.
We have reopened the thread. Please keep the conversation polite and healthy.

@Fadeway I’m trying several things still keeping the base way it’s used intacted. Some guys like speed clearing. I like carrying like I did in the latest video. That was a ultimate carry session. Due to I was trying to help two low geared people get an achievement and pull it off.

@Lonewolf
If you look through the post I never said it was set in stone. That’s why it’s a in between number 2.5. But what happen is it caught on not by my own doing actually. It works for what it’s being used as. It was never supposed to be a “dedicated” anything build. It was an idea that people embraced.

It was more the style of play then the build. Which is why I kept using it because it works. People can say what they like and complain. But at the end the of the day numbers don’t lie. I’m altering it now in anticipation for the next changes. And I’m still not going to rely on the virtue trait line. I’d never go beyond 10 if I go that far.

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

Silentstorm.7531:

@Fadeway I’m trying several things still keeping the base way it’s used intacted. Some guys like speed clearing. I like carrying like I did in the latest video. That was a ultimate carry session. Due to I was trying to help two low geared people get an achievement and pull it off.

@Lonewolf
If you look through the post I never said it was set in stone. That’s why it’s a in between number 2.5. But what happen is it caught on not by my own doing actually. It works for what it’s being used as. It was never supposed to be a “dedicated” anything build. It was an idea that people embraced.

It was more the style of play then the build. Which is why I kept using it because it works. People can say what they like and complain. But at the end the of the day numbers don’t lie. I’m altering it now in anticipation for the next changes. And I’m still not going to rely on the virtue trait line. I’d never go beyond 10 if I go that far.

I’m a bit confused at why you’re commenting to me.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Silentstorm.7531:

@Fadeway I’m trying several things still keeping the base way it’s used intacted. Some guys like speed clearing. I like carrying like I did in the latest video. That was a ultimate carry session. Due to I was trying to help two low geared people get an achievement and pull it off.

@Lonewolf
If you look through the post I never said it was set in stone. That’s why it’s a in between number 2.5. But what happen is it caught on not by my own doing actually. It works for what it’s being used as. It was never supposed to be a “dedicated” anything build. It was an idea that people embraced.

It was more the style of play then the build. Which is why I kept using it because it works. People can say what they like and complain. But at the end the of the day numbers don’t lie. I’m altering it now in anticipation for the next changes. And I’m still not going to rely on the virtue trait line. I’d never go beyond 10 if I go that far.

I’m a bit confused at why you’re commenting to me.

We comment how we want.

laharl.8435:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Silentstorm.7531:

@Fadeway I’m trying several things still keeping the base way it’s used intacted. Some guys like speed clearing. I like carrying like I did in the latest video. That was a ultimate carry session. Due to I was trying to help two low geared people get an achievement and pull it off.

@Lonewolf
If you look through the post I never said it was set in stone. That’s why it’s a in between number 2.5. But what happen is it caught on not by my own doing actually. It works for what it’s being used as. It was never supposed to be a “dedicated” anything build. It was an idea that people embraced.

It was more the style of play then the build. Which is why I kept using it because it works. People can say what they like and complain. But at the end the of the day numbers don’t lie. I’m altering it now in anticipation for the next changes. And I’m still not going to rely on the virtue trait line. I’d never go beyond 10 if I go that far.

I’m a bit confused at why you’re commenting to me.

We comment how we want.

What?

laharl.8435:

We comment how we want.

Until the modbot springs into action

Sometimes I dodge for effect. Sometimes I dodge to heal splash combined with virtue. I very rarely ever lack endurance. Unless I’m the target of the boss. Which doesn’t happen a lot either. I have a dodge heal for a reason and I use it freely. I don’t just randomly do it unless it’s a obvious for fun or style situation. Also negativity not really helping the topic. If this build isn’t to your liking. That’s cool make your own post/build and feel free to get feed back there.

I don’t see the reason to linger somewhere you have no say in changing. Or doing anything positive for the topic. If you feel that strongly make your own builds. And hold your own discussions. And see if people interact with you on the same level. You gotta know by now mods are watching. Let the community decide what it likes, now if people pay any attention to you. Then hey you win the game! If they don’t well maybe you should change your approach. Be a little less rude and tone down that ego a bit.

Lone I responded to a post you said awhile back not recently. The paragraph after the @ wasn’t direct at you

In my opinion, guardian should not have so easy access to vigour.

Hey now we gotta have something.
We already slow, no fast range, lowest healers, lowest hp, traitlines badly optimized…
Can we at least dodge when we wanna lol……

In my opinion, elementalist has it even harder yet Anet wanted to move its trait to master major.

Silentstorm.7531:

Hey now we gotta have something.
We already slow, no fast range, lowest healers, lowest hp, traitlines badly optimized…
Can we at least dodge when we wanna lol……

Guardian is the fourth fastest profession in the game, yet far away from being slow.
Fast range is useless, speaking of PvE. Healing is close to useless, speaking of PvE. Huge HP pools are useless, except for WvW. I agree about the trait lines, though. They should take crit damage away from valor and put it into radiance or zeal. Aswell as taking out vigor of honor and probably placing it as grandmaster in virtues or into 15 in zeal. That would obviously hurt hammer builds, but if you just swap the vuln from symbol trait to 5 in honor, nothing would have changed.

@haviz
for a very long time Ele was good almost too good. I have one so I’m not that sorry for Ele’s. Even now they still in better shape then Guardian.

@Anicetus
I hope they take my advice about traits and condense them. It’s obvious when they did our traits they didn’t have enough ideas. So they spread them out to try and force us to not make uber builds. All dps modifiers should be in the dps trait lines. With them condensed to make actual sense. Healing traits be actually all in honor for us to pick and choose. And leave CC/defense/cleansing to the Valor and Virtue.
I’m just one guy saying our traits are a fail mess. So I doubt they will pay much attention to that.

If you heavy dps traits down one tree, you limit the viability of other builds to reach them meaningfully.

A spread of traits “is” a good thing, but how they are accessible needs to be considered.
Right now some of the traits would have good synergy but too far spread out and down different trees. Maybe if they went down a few notches to be reached with 10 or 15 points in they would open up more builds. Again have to be careful to not give us everything as we need to have sacrifices for our gains, otherwise it becomes OP to get everything and lose nothing.

Well it would work if the traits were dual traits. Say we have a trait in Zeal 30 that allows damage modifier types. So depending on what you choose say hammer or sword it changes. Leave the other modifiers in the lower tier of Radiance and Zeal. That way you could still retain a usable build. With some kind of support if you deem it so. The way it is right now we have too many wasted stats. But I’m patient it’s been 13 months already. What’s one more month to see if we have a glimmer. I rather not bail on my first character. But you can take but so much Ret Paladin treatment. If you know what I mean.

Anicetus.1253:

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

In www there are plenty of reasons to dodge when an attack is not coming. Healing allies taking damage while attempting to stomp, close/open ground between you and an enemy while having soft cc on you, give yourself a little healing prior to stomping a player. I know these may seem foreign to a pve casual, where pve attacks come telegraphed or easily predictable; but the dodges aren’t random =D

Silentstorm.7531:

@haviz
for a very long time Ele was good almost too good. I have one so I’m not that sorry for Ele’s.

In my opinion, elementalist was good only for bunkering 1v1 and could disengage easy.

Even now they still in better shape then Guardian.

Agree. In pvp every team has one elementalist, unlike a guardian. In pve, every team has one elementalist, unlike a guardian. In other words and in my humble opinion, elementalist is in good spot, unlike guardian who lacks presence in various game modes.

haviz.1340:

Silentstorm.7531:

@haviz
for a very long time Ele was good almost too good. I have one so I’m not that sorry for Ele’s.

In my opinion, elementalist was good only for bunkering 1v1 and could disengage easy.

Even now they still in better shape then Guardian.

Agree. In pvp every team has one elementalist, unlike a guardian. In pve, every team has one elementalist, unlike a guardian. In other words and in my humble opinion, elementalist is in good spot, unlike guardian who lacks presence in various game modes.

O.O
rightful sarcasm for once

Not sure what silent is smoking. Guardian is in a very well spot in PVE, does decent in tPVP and very well in WvW.

My only gripe is the limited availability in spvp outside of bunker but we are slowly getting there.
In WvW outside of staff in zergs the roaming med build fares very well vs most classes. Only class it loses to is the bunker condi engie is which is currently OP as kitten

Dynnen.6405:

Anicetus.1253:

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

In www there are plenty of reasons to dodge when an attack is not coming. Healing allies taking damage while attempting to stomp, close/open ground between you and an enemy while having soft cc on you, give yourself a little healing prior to stomping a player. I know these may seem foreign to a pve casual, where pve attacks come telegraphed or easily predictable; but the dodges aren’t random =D

I’d suggest you to actually watch his videos, i had one in mind where he and someone else were at some camp, no enemies shooting him. Two dodges at full health. They engange and because he has no endurance left he facetanks. But hey, PVT armor exists for a reason... i guess?

Thanks for calling me a casual by the way, really appreciate it.
I really like how wvw’ers are looking down to pve’ers.

On a serious note: thanks for explaining all that, not that i needed it, that’s common sense. Just like dodging obvious animations like pin down should be. I feel like too many (pretty much all) wvw’ers forget about dodging important stuff. I can understand it isn’t needed in zergs or blobs but that results in a problem when they encounter pve’ers with offensive builds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTFB_dfblw

Pingpong! But hey, dodged one hammer smash before the animation started. I’ll take that as you being a seer.

Anicetus.1253:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTFB_dfblw

Pingpong! But hey, dodged one hammer smash before the animation started. I’ll take that as you being a seer.

omg roflmao. The best part is that they are all upleveled lowbies with crap gear lol.

Anicetus.1253:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTFB_dfblw

Pingpong! But hey, dodged one hammer smash before the animation started. I’ll take that as you being a seer.

1) that is Oozo, not Amins.
2) Yes there were a few dodges that were random, but most were avoiding some form of cc like binding blades
3) This video was taken to show how up levels, who normally don’t have a chance in www, have even less chance with how stupid the orb system was. He didn’t get any pressure from those guys when he should have had some since there were 3 of them.
4) the up levels were not casting abilities when most people would.

But nice attempt at straw manning the argument there…strong work lol

Anicetus.1253:

Dynnen.6405:

Anicetus.1253:

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

In www there are plenty of reasons to dodge when an attack is not coming. Healing allies taking damage while attempting to stomp, close/open ground between you and an enemy while having soft cc on you, give yourself a little healing prior to stomping a player. I know these may seem foreign to a pve casual, where pve attacks come telegraphed or easily predictable; but the dodges aren’t random =D

I’d suggest you to actually watch his videos, i had one in mind where he and someone else were at some camp, no enemies shooting him. Two dodges at full health. They engange and because he has no endurance left he facetanks. But hey, PVT armor exists for a reason… i guess?

Thanks for calling me a casual by the way, really appreciate it.
I really like how wvw’ers are looking down to pve’ers.

On a serious note: thanks for explaining all that, not that i needed it, that’s common sense. Just like dodging obvious animations like pin down should be. I feel like too many (pretty much all) wvw’ers forget about dodging important stuff. I can understand it isn’t needed in zergs or blobs but that results in a problem when they encounter pve’ers with offensive builds.

Only “look down” on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

Dynnen.6405:

Only “look down” on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

In my very humble opinion, wvw is not exactly harder or engaging. If you want something challenging I would kindly suggest Battletoads from 1991.

Dynnen.6405:

swiftpaw.6397:

Anicetus.1253:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTFB_dfblw

Pingpong! But hey, dodged one hammer smash before the animation started. I’ll take that as you being a seer.

omg roflmao. The best part is that they are all upleveled lowbies with crap gear lol.

You’re also missing the point of the video. I hate to do this but I’m gonna have to…l2read

What? I’m agreeing with you. Your point is that stat creep in the game is going to discourage new people coming into WvW. The lowbies are the highlight of the video. I’m not allowed to be entertained by this?

l2read indeed

Silentstorm.7531:

@Anicetus you seem to like to complain a lot. I already explained why so have others. You don’t have to agree but don’t complain all day about it either. I along with others are going to do what we do. I’ll say it for the last time. You hold no station over anyone else to judge. If I want to use dodge freely I will get over it. Like I said above go make your own post. And you can complain about play styles all day in it.

Because it’s obviously no matter what anyone says. You just want to troll and argue.

I neither troll nor complain. I’m all serious about this.

Dynnen.6405:

Anicetus.1253:

Dynnen.6405:

Anicetus.1253:

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

In www there are plenty of reasons to dodge when an attack is not coming. Healing allies taking damage while attempting to stomp, close/open ground between you and an enemy while having soft cc on you, give yourself a little healing prior to stomping a player. I know these may seem foreign to a pve casual, where pve attacks come telegraphed or easily predictable; but the dodges aren’t random =D

I’d suggest you to actually watch his videos, i had one in mind where he and someone else were at some camp, no enemies shooting him. Two dodges at full health. They engange and because he has no endurance left he facetanks. But hey, PVT armor exists for a reason... i guess?

Thanks for calling me a casual by the way, really appreciate it.
I really like how wvw’ers are looking down to pve’ers.

On a serious note: thanks for explaining all that, not that i needed it, that’s common sense. Just like dodging obvious animations like pin down should be. I feel like too many (pretty much all) wvw’ers forget about dodging important stuff. I can understand it isn’t needed in zergs or blobs but that results in a problem when they encounter pve’ers with offensive builds.

Only "look down" on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

Beating pve content requires almost zero skill, but beating 99% of all wvw players doesn’t take any skill either. It’s all about the challenges you set yourself. Super Mario 64 wasn’t exactly hard, took me about a week to play through it the first time. Completing it in 5-6 minutes instead, requires more skill than anything in this game ever could.

Dynnen.6405:

Only “look down” on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

I would forgot, what about Liadri?

I never see a lack of WvW to be honest. It’s more reliable in the game then PVE is at the moment. PVE spikes with content patches. Or if a farm spot remains that people can zerg. The tower is already abandoned which is kinda sad. But nothing in this game is hard, to the point you can’t overcome it.

Which is why theirs no such thing as bad or good. As long as you win who cares how you did it. Only thing that should be looked down on is hacking or cheating. Or someone who just has a complex about being right. And they will just be disregarded anyway. It’s just that some guys haven’t realized yet that mentality don’t fly. And never will to be honest.

Also thanks all for keeping it clean. It was getting a little tiresome everyone getting infracted all over the place.

I don’t understand.

haviz.1340:

Dynnen.6405:

Only “look down” on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

I would forgot, what about Liadri?

Took me 5 or 6 times. Why?

Dynnen.6405:

Took me 5 or 6 times. Why?

So it is challenging.

WvW is the glorified PVE endgame people have been asking for. Give it 6 more months or so after they add another tier of gear and maybe even rare infusions with +10 stats each.

THEN, will you start seeing gear as well as skill factor in more heavily. Skill will have to make up for the greater gear discrepancy. Gear itself will reward people with more time dedicated to a character, as it should be in a PVE setting.

@Hunter

They maybe scared to do that. Because the minute someone mentions upgrade anything. Even if it’s one stat point. Literally a thousand power creep complainers appear. That we never even seen post before at that.

I still think Zeal and Virtue are the worst traitlines ever made. Goes back to my suggestion about streamlining them. Part of the reason I work around them now. I’m just not into rewarding bad game design. By promoting it like it doesn’t need to be fixed. With that said I took a few suggestions. And say with some interested gamers over the past weekend.

We came up with 10/25/0/30/5. Also 20/15/0/30/5 both I’m like meh. But then again the point is to carry and be a threat. I do admit the first mention did a excellent job of that. I couldn’t even find a way to dismiss it. But as people know from my past. I don’t just randomly post builds.

So you’ll see it in my videos first for a month or two. Keep in mind new changes coming anyway. So I’m pretty much in no rush to make any build. But it’s fun sitting down with you guys.

@Bas hit me up via you tube or twitter.

Silentstorm.7531:

I still think Zeal and Virtue are the worst traitlines ever made. Goes back to my suggestion about streamlining them. Part of the reason I work around them now. I’m just not into rewarding bad game design. By promoting it like it doesn’t need to be fixed. With that said I took a few suggestions. And say with some interested gamers over the past weekend.

We came up with 10/25/0/30/5. Also 20/15/0/30/5 both I’m like meh. But then again the point is to carry and be a threat. I do admit the first mention did a excellent job of that. I couldn’t even find a way to dismiss it. But as people know from my past. I don’t just randomly post builds.

So you’ll see it in my videos first for a month or two. Keep in mind new changes coming anyway. So I’m pretty much in no rush to make any build. But it’s fun sitting down with you guys.

@Bas hit me up via you tube or twitter.

I have to disagree with Virtues being bad. It’s a really awesome traitline that enhances our virtues even more with condition removal, stability, and other boons we get when we activate our virtues.

Some traits are meh, and some are great, it’s like that in all our traitlines.

Zeal (until 10 points), Radiance (until 25 points) and Virtues (until 25 points) are the best traitlines guardians have. Good major traits, good-mediocre stat increases. Valor on the other hand has bad major traits, mediocre-bad stats and honor (after 10 points, exceptions rarely made for 25 points) is just horrible in both regards.

You’re once again arguing against facts, using “i still think” argument.

Anicetus.1253:

You’re once again arguing against facts, using “i still think” argument.

Which is his opinion, or are you saying he doesn’t have a right to his own opinion?

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Anicetus.1253:

You’re once again arguing against facts, using “i still think” argument.

Which is his opinion, or are you saying he doesn’t have a right to his own opinion?

Read through his post, please.
By the way, you didn’t answer to my pm yet.

He has a right to his opinion. But that does not make his opinion right.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Anicetus.1253

Once i’m home i will create a thread with it again, appealing to arenanet to not delete it.

On a serious note: the build is horrible. Just less horrible than most builds on the front page.

And you don’t think this is hypocritical? Weren’t you one of the ones telling people not to post builds because you think they’re bad? And that these bad build guides will just confuse new guardian players?

No, i’ve been saying that people shouldn’t advertise bad builds as good. I’m perfectly fine with posting any build you want, as long as you don’t say it’s good when it isn’t.
I didn’t say the build i posted was good, i said it’s horrible, even though less horrible than most guardian builds available in the guardian sub forum.

And your comprehension of his post is a bit weird, i haven’t see the words “opinion” or “like” in there.

Edit: I was actually hoping to actually have a “discussion” in the guardian forums, just for once. But slowly i’m beginning to assume nothing but “Segbrq Blrst!” will be what i get.

Anicetus.1253:

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Anicetus.1253

Once i’m home i will create a thread with it again, appealing to arenanet to not delete it.

On a serious note: the build is horrible. Just less horrible than most builds on the front page.

And you don’t think this is hypocritical? Weren’t you one of the ones telling people not to post builds because you think they’re bad? And that these bad build guides will just confuse new guardian players?

No, i’ve been saying that people shouldn’t advertise bad builds as good. I’m perfectly fine with posting any build you want, as long as you don’t say it’s good when it isn’t.
I didn’t say the build i posted was good, i said it’s horrible, even though less horrible than most guardian builds available in the guardian sub forum.

And your comprehension of his post is a bit weird, i haven’t see the words “opinion” or “like” in there.

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build.

Facts > opinion.