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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Facts > opinion.

Facts = many factors; some that don’t involve math.

And… that’s also your opinion btw.

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Posted by: Anicetus.1253

Anicetus.1253

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

Yes, it does. In the context on the other side, considering the sentences behind the “i think” make sure he believes it isn’t just his opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build. Who are you to judge if an opinion is right or wrong?

Good point, but once again completely missed. You might use it for the posts haviz made:

haviz.1340

In my very individual opinion my build works good for what i’m trying to achieve.

but not for a point when talking about “good” and “bad” in general. Good and bad in general are objective and have nothing to do with opinion. 10/30/0/5/25 is good in dealing damage, support and survivability. 0/15/30/20/5 is bad at dealing damage, support and mediocre in survivability. This is backed up by facts, not opinion.

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Posted by: swiftpaw.6397

swiftpaw.6397

Facts > opinion.

Facts = many factors; some that don’t involve math.

And… that’s also your opinion btw.

No, that’s your opinion that it’s my opinion.

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

Yes, it does. In the context on the other side, considering the sentences behind the “i think” make sure he believes it isn’t just his opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build. Who are you to judge if an opinion is right or wrong?

Good point, but once again completely missed. You might use it for the posts haviz made:

haviz.1340

In my very individual opinion my build works good for what i’m trying to achieve.

but not for a point when talking about “good” and “bad” in general. Good and bad in general are objective and have nothing to do with opinion. 10/30/0/5/25 is good in dealing damage, support and survivability. 0/15/30/20/5 is bad at dealing damage, support and mediocre in survivability. This is backed up by facts, not opinion.

Well not sure what more to say to you. You comprehended that he’s stating fact in Valor and Honor, I comprehended that it’s his opinion. So that’s that. You see apples. I see oranges. I’m sure Silent will come along and tell you what he thinks.

Next, good and bad are subjective and often based on opinion by the beholder.

And I’ll repeat myself, facts are also made of factors that do not necessarily include math. In other words, math is not the only factor.

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Posted by: Anicetus.1253

Anicetus.1253

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

Yes, it does. In the context on the other side, considering the sentences behind the “i think” make sure he believes it isn’t just his opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build. Who are you to judge if an opinion is right or wrong?

Good point, but once again completely missed. You might use it for the posts haviz made:

haviz.1340

In my very individual opinion my build works good for what i’m trying to achieve.

but not for a point when talking about “good” and “bad” in general. Good and bad in general are objective and have nothing to do with opinion. 10/30/0/5/25 is good in dealing damage, support and survivability. 0/15/30/20/5 is bad at dealing damage, support and mediocre in survivability. This is backed up by facts, not opinion.

Good and bad are subjective and often based on opinion by the beholder.

And I’ll repeat myself, facts are also made of factors that do not necessarily include math. In other words, math is not the only factor.

What aside of math and numbers is included in making a build objectively good or bad?

Just a quick check:

Is 1/3/3/7/0 a good build?
I’d say it isn’t.

Is 1/3/3/7/0 a good build for having fun, just in my own understanding without refering to anything else?
In my opinion, yes.

What about you?

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Typically, an “I THINK” equates to opinion.

Yes, it does. In the context on the other side, considering the sentences behind the “i think” make sure he believes it isn’t just his opinion.

Lonewolf Kai.3682

As for the rest, once again, so you think no one has the right to their own opinion? What if in the build poster’s mind the build is good? It’s his/her opinion and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. It makes it opinion. Just like it’s opinion that you feel it’s a bad build. Who are you to judge if an opinion is right or wrong?

Good point, but once again completely missed. You might use it for the posts haviz made:

haviz.1340

In my very individual opinion my build works good for what i’m trying to achieve.

but not for a point when talking about “good” and “bad” in general. Good and bad in general are objective and have nothing to do with opinion. 10/30/0/5/25 is good in dealing damage, support and survivability. 0/15/30/20/5 is bad at dealing damage, support and mediocre in survivability. This is backed up by facts, not opinion.

Good and bad are subjective and often based on opinion by the beholder.

And I’ll repeat myself, facts are also made of factors that do not necessarily include math. In other words, math is not the only factor.

What aside of math and numbers is included in making a build objectively good or bad?

Just a quick check:

Is 1/3/3/7/0 a good build?
I’d say it isn’t.

Is 1/3/3/7/0 a good build for having fun, just in my own understanding without refering to anything else?
In my opinion, yes.

What about you?

Life is more than just math and numbers mate. You HAVE to add in the human factor, which is probably the biggest game changer there is.

Not everyone plays the same way you do.

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Posted by: fadeaway.2807

fadeaway.2807

I still think you can gain more personal survivability, more group survivability, more dps and more flexibility by ditching valor.

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Posted by: Anicetus.1253

Anicetus.1253

I still think you can gain more personal survivability, more group survivability, more dps and more flexibility by ditching valor.

You’re right. It isn’t just your opinion, it simply is that way.

Not to fadeway:
And once again, “Segbrq Blrst!”. Incapability of answering must be a common disease here.

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ditch the word women for guardians.

Edit 2: Actually no, that doesn’t fit and is too generalized.

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Posted by: Nike Porphyrogenita.8137

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137

You’re once again arguing against facts, using “i still think” argument.

Which is his opinion, or are you saying he doesn’t have a right to his own opinion?

Opinions are meant to be challenged and vigorously defended. Or abandoned as indefensible.

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Posted by: Anicetus.1253

Anicetus.1253

Let me try something.

Nike, is 1/3/3/7/0 a good or a bad build?

Edit: The forum didn’t edit the post. I was talking about being good or bad in general which includes survivability, damage and support. Not in someone’s very own opinion for some specific goal under whatever circumstances he has set.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

^^ I’m game for trying …

Compared to what? What’s the context?

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Posted by: Anicetus.1253

Anicetus.1253

^^ I’m game for trying …

Compared to what? What’s the context?

Compared to available recources. To what else, pandas flying in the space?

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Posted by: Gyler.8150

Gyler.8150

[/quote]
Life is more than just math and numbers mate. You HAVE to add in the human factor, which is probably the biggest game changer there is.

Not everyone plays the same way you do.[/quote]

Not sure why but this sounds like one of those “believe in yourself you can overcome anything” or “the heart of the cards” sort of mantra’s. You could fly in an airplane, or you could fly with bird feathers glued to your arms. Although it will probably be more nonsensical and not at all good idea to do it with the bird feathers.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

^^ I’m game for trying …

Compared to what? What’s the context?

Compared to available recources. To what else, pandas flying in the space?

I’m not asking very thought provoking questions here. You clearly have a criteria you use to determine the boundary between what a ‘good’ and a ‘bad’ build is. If those criteria are robust, you shouldn’t have much difficulty answering my question.

For instance … is 1/7/3/3/1 a bad build? Not compared to a 0/0/0/0/0 build …

Let me ask an even simpler question and it should be a real easy one for you … what ARE your criteria for what makes a build bad or good?

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Posted by: Anicetus.1253

Anicetus.1253

I answered your question, saying “compated to available recources”.

Obtena.7952

Let me ask an even simpler question and it should be a real easy one for you … what ARE your criteria for what makes a build bad or good?

Excelling at either survivability, support or damage or taking a compromise in order to achieve better results overall.
As an example 0/0/30/30/10 is a good build under the specification of self-sustain only.
10/25/0/0/10/25 is a good build.

Bad builds are the opposite, neither excelling at anything nor being a trade of.
0/15/30/20/5 is worse than 10/30/0/5/25 in all means. Once the optimum (or something significantly better) is known, anything else becomes bad.

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Posted by: Dynnen.6405

Dynnen.6405

I answered your question, saying “compated to available recources”.

Obtena.7952

Let me ask an even simpler question and it should be a real easy one for you … what ARE your criteria for what makes a build bad or good?

Excelling at either survivability, support or damage or taking a compromise in order to achieve better results overall.
As an example 0/0/30/30/10 is a good build under the specification of self-sustain only.
10/25/0/0/10/25 is a good build.

Bad builds are the opposite, neither excelling at anything nor being a trade of.
0/15/30/20/5 is worse than 10/30/0/5/25 in all means. Once the optimum (or something significantly better) is known, anything else becomes bad.

Thats a very post wow way to look at it. I guess that works for pve though. My trait spread in wvw for my GS/Hammer build is 0/15/30/20/5 (different trait selections than what is in this guide though) and it works extremely well for me.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

criteria for assessing builds

Great. Would you say it’s a stretch of the imagination to assume your criteria and your rankings associated with them are based on things you value in game?

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Posted by: Nike Porphyrogenita.8137

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137

Let me try something.

Nike, is 1/3/3/7/0 a good or a bad build?

Edit: The forum didn’t edit the post. I was talking about being good or bad in general which includes survivability, damage and support. Not in someone’s very own opinion for some specific goal under whatever circumstances he has set.

I think you’re missing some very key major and minor traits so you’re not as effective as you could be. This could potentially serve as a leveling build, but I think for leveling you should focus on one trait line and get it to 10 before you start on another.

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Posted by: Silentstorm.7531

Silentstorm.7531

Anyway back to the matter at hand.
I’ll be doing 10/25/0/30/5 for the next video.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

You should change it to 10/25/0/25/10. Master of consecrations is incredibly useful. More so than pure of voice. Provides a variety of really good support, including reducing cd of purging flames.

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Posted by: Silentstorm.7531

Silentstorm.7531

I’ll do 10/25/0/25/10 for the fractal release. I have to juggle BNS and TESO this weekend.