Guild Wars 2

I thought about this idea for a while. If we, as in all mesmers, somehow really confuse the opponent by utilizing all of our skills to the max i feel that no matter how much dps or tank an enemy can do, or no matter how much stealth or control abilities they can use, it will all be in vain for if we can constantly trick their minds we can indefinitely kill them in one shot pr by wearing them out. I am gonna list all of the types of skills for a mesmer and bring out their pros and cons to somehow make a combination of skills that can totally put a hurting on an enemy.

Glamours
Pros: most of the glamour skills we possess can make it look like we are actually within the area of effect. For instance if I use feedback on a foe the sheer size and wavy bubble animation is enough to make them think even if it’s just for an instant that I am within it. Cons: Some glamour skills are useless in some mesmer builds.

Clones
Pros: clones are a copy of ourselves. it will be the key to confusing our opponent.
Cons: they apparently dont seem to move much if the enemy is close in range.

Shatter skills
Pros: Makes the clones move towards the enemy. Majorly throwing them off. Cons: once out of shatter skills it’s back to square one and you have to try to confuse your enemy from scratch.

Mobility
Pros:It is the way for us to get around an opponent and strike from a different angle every time. Cons: When not using a shatter skill for clone movement, your mobility will make you stand out among your illusions.

Stealth
Pros: it makes you invisible and helps lose your opponents knowledge of your whereabouts. Cons the animation when you get out of stealth reveals to your enemy your location more easily(animation=the smoke rings)

Signets
Pros: It appears on your clones skill fact when your enemy clicks on them and gives them doubts about who could be the real you. Cons: Most of the signets are not of very much use and is sometimes considered as waste of skill box.

Now keeping all of these in mind i will try to pick off the best skills and traits for all of this. I shall soon bring out these skills within a few minutes or so.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

I thought about this idea for a while. If we, as in all mesmers, somehow really confuse the opponent by utilizing all of our skills to the max i feel that no matter how much dps or tank an enemy can do, or no matter how much stealth or control abilities they can use, it will all be in vain for if we can constantly trick their minds we can indefinitely kill them in one shot pr by wearing them out. I am gonna list all of the types of skills for a mesmer and bring out their pros and cons to somehow make a combination of skills that can totally put a hurting on an enemy.

Glamours
Pros: most of the glamour skills we possess can make it look like we are actually within the area of effect. For instance if I use feedback on a foe the sheer size and wavy bubble animation is enough to make them think even if it’s just for an instant that I am within it. Cons: Some glamour skills are useless in some mesmer builds.

Clones
Pros: clones are a copy of ourselves. it will be the key to confusing our opponent.
Cons: they apparently dont seem to move much if the enemy is close in range.

Shatter skills
Pros: Makes the clones move towards the enemy. Majorly throwing them off. Cons: once out of shatter skills it’s back to square one and you have to try to confuse your enemy from scratch.

Mobility
Pros:It is the way for us to get around an opponent and strike from a different angle every time. Cons: When not using a shatter skill for clone movement, your mobility will make you stand out among your illusions.

Stealth
Pros: it makes you invisible and helps lose your opponents knowledge of your whereabouts. Cons the animation when you get out of stealth reveals to your enemy your location more easily(animation=the smoke rings)

Signets
Pros: It appears on your clones skill fact when your enemy clicks on them and gives them doubts about who could be the real you. Cons: Most of the signets are not of very much use and is sometimes considered as waste of skill box.

Now keeping all of these in mind i will try to pick off the best skills and traits for all of this. I shall soon bring out these skills within a few minutes or so.

Let me break down your illusions you have here.

Glamours: The only one you SHOULD be inside is Null Field. Feedback does nothing for you if you are inside of it thus you are a bad Mesmer and no one will assume you are a bad Mesmer right off the bat so this is a flawed statement. The other glamour is Veil and you can’t really be in it and unless running a PU build more thank likely you will not be staying around it for the secondary stealth you can get off it.

Clones: Don’t confuse anyone. They Attack slower than a normal player. If using an OH guess what, your clones don’t have an OH. Scepter/Staff/GS clones don’t move unless the enemy gets outa range because they are ranged weapons. Sword clones move to the target because of needing melee range. Clones also don’t dodge. There have been very FEW instances of people showing that standing in your clones and slowing their auto-attack with 2h weapon and not having any food or sigil stacks on them confused the opponent for a split second but they they just got AoEd and bamm the real one is revealed cause clones are weak as all get out in WvW and PvP.

Shatter Skills: Unless the opponent has never faced a Mesmer before, when you shatter and all your clones run at them, they are not taken aback they dodge the incoming shatter more than likely. Everyone knows what clones running at you means it doesn’t confuse anyone.

Mobility: I will give you this one. We have the second best in combat mobility in the game next to Thieves and some people would argue we even beat them.

Stealth: Doesn’t really confuse the enemy just saves us for a bit.

Signets: I hardly run signets so I know that SoI shows up but do all of them do? If all of them do then I will give you this one but the clones don’t have sigil stacks or food so it is easy to pick out.

Movement is out biggest give away as being the real Mesmer and not moving usually equals death. You are making yet another vastly over stated claim that we should never die as long as we confuse out opponents enough because even the best of us have not been “confusing” opponents like you state since beta weekends.

Actually, if both attacker and target are in feedback, the projectile still gets reflected. Standing in feedback guarantees no projectiles hit you from outside or inside the bubble.

Since when? If that is true then I take that part about standing in it being pointless away but leave the point that it doesn’t confuse the enemy at all.

Baa is correct about the functionality of feedback, however the OP’s point about glamour skills is absurdly foolish.

Is that a bug or intended? I have a feeling is a bug but such an amazingly useful bug that no one would report it. HAHAHAH

Hexxen.7216:

Is that a bug or intended? I have a feeling is a bug but such an amazingly useful bug that no one would report it. HAHAHAH

Not a bug. Feedback is not a shell, it simply creates a region where all enemy projectiles are reflected.

Tool tip says dome just assume it meant shell. Well then that is sweet as.

Stealth also works as soft interrupt on any targetted skills being cast at you.

Stealth also drops target. If the enemy has autotarget option on (default), the enemy picks up wrong target on next skill use. Probably your clone or an innocent bystander. This is what confuses new players and annoys the crap out of everyone.

Your opponent inside feedback and you outside = reflected projectiles
You inside feedback and your opponent outside = reflected projectikitten
th you and your opponent inside feedback bubble = reflected projectiles

It has always worked this way.

edit: lol at projectedkitten

I have finished the mesmer Confusing build will put up a guide soon on it. PLease wait patiently.

I feel like the ideas in the OP are just roleplaying…

And yes, feed ack creates an area where all projectiles are reflected, not a dome :P.

Clones will confuse your enemy if you play as a bulky male norn (largest body, largest height, largest head).

Not necessarily, If you are a good mesmer, you can spot any size or race, which I can. Plus if you are a good shatter player, you can totally throw an opponent off

Edit: Guide to my Final version of the Disorient Shatter Build is coming up in the next post.

I have finished the Disorienting Shatter Mesmer build. It is a better, more versatile Mesmer build than any of the other types of shatter builds that are out there in my opinion. I have tested it against multiple opponents in PvP. I will try it in WvW as soon as possible after collecting all the gear.

This build focuses on creating 3 clones right after you use the shatter skill so as to throw the opponent off on your exact position. To achieve this you need perma vigor, with the Vigorous Revelation trait you are able to have constant supply of this boon whether you are in melee or ranged. Also with 3 stealth skills you can certainly keep the pressure on your enemies without having to put yourself in danger too much. this might now sound like much but it is the key to all shatter builds. The flaw in every shatter cat build is the lack of constant Dodges this build is designed to manage that and to be able to perfectly disorient your opponent.
Here’s the build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAsfRlwzKqHTTrGbNJypCJHqHaH49dkKYalUwbXIA-j0yA4OBR6DARIiJvhIm+yaNrIasabM9LqGGRFLIbwLiWtMAMLA-w

If you don’t believe that this build can successfully disorient your opponent, come and fight me in the Heart of the Mists. At around 12:00 at noon I always go to play in the 1 vs 1 dueling servers which are located near the top of the Arena Search box. I can’t tell my character name right now so look me up by my display name. I shall be waiting for you.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

The flaw in every shatter cat build is the lack of constant Dodges and long Blink cds. this build is designed to manage that and to be able to perfectly disorient your opponent.

Every Shattercat has in theory permanent vigor due to all of them having 20 dueling.

I can think of atleast 4 Shattercats that have Master of Manipulation as flexible trait:

1. Shatterccat Mist
2. Shattercat Heavy
3. Shattercat Heavy 2.0
4. Shattercat heavy 3.0
   For more info visit: Osicat.weebly or the forum sticky

Your build is (I assume) a shatter build. A Shattercat is a shatter build created by Osi cat. If you already knew this, then you ahouldve done research before making (false) statements like:

The flaw in every shatter cat build is the lack of constant Dodges and long cds.

I’m limited to mobile for atleast a week, so i cant see your build. Im going to aasume its 0/20/10/10/30 though. I dont recommend taking 10 inspiration for shatter vigor, as you already have permanent vigor in theory with 5 dueling. Youre better of with 10 domination for Mental Torment regardless of weapons, or 20 Chaos if using a staff.

There’s not really a point in purposely creating 3 clones as soon as you shatter, unless you’re going to shatter again, use staff clones, want to ether feast, or have 3% damage reduction per illusion.

It’s not havig 3 clones up that disorients people, neither is it which skills or build you use.

It’s about how someone uses what’s available to them.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

If you don’t believe that this build can successfully disorient your opponent, come and fight me in the Heart of the Mists.

Challenge accepted.

Spotting the real one is easy. Targeting isn’t. Trust me, when you have 3 gigantic norn in your face, things get really awkward really fast.

Lol dude I know. I was a norn Mesmer for a week. I have tried it out and I know how slow and too big of a toon a norn is. I personally think that you are just saying that because your mentality is (big= hard to click on) trust me it’s not hard to find a big fat norn running around making clones of itself. As for the Challenge, i will be there. anyone who wants to fight me should go the the Heart of the mists at around noon today and everyday during the summer. (Remember, its the 1 vs 1 dueling servers)

Edit: there are around like 3 dueling servers i go to. CHeck the ones at the top of the arena search box.

Im on an EU server though, and i wont have acces to gw2 for atleast 7 days. :P

So guyz I really need for you to come and fight me tomorrow. I need to show you the power of this build. Please come to Heart of the Mists at around noon tomorrow. I shall be glad to challenge you.

I have festivals and dance perfomances all week so I can not come show you that you have the arrogance but none of it is gained. You are already claiming it is better than any of the REAL Shattercat build. You have to be kidding me? PLEASE someone get Osicat on ANY of his builds to own this child. (We now know he is a child cause he mentioned how his rents wouldn’t let me do something in the necro forums.) I am positive that most anyone else could beat you but I only think it fair that Osicat beats you since you are claiming to have a build that is far superior to his.

Also, just saying NOON doesn’t help anyone. You do know there are several time zones right? Well just in case you haven’t reached the grade where they teach you that there are. So you need to give Noon in what time zone so people know.

Sorry to hear that you have to do festivals all week. I know it’s hard. Reason I said this is a pretty good shatter build is because I have absolute confidence in my skills and this build. I live in California. Plus I have battled 12 people today and beat 8 people in a row. 5 of them were Mesmers( All phantasm or shatter)

As much as id like to see Osicat kick this kitten, there are 2 reasons why he cant :(.

1. Themenaceoftheseenthdimension is on an american server
2. Osicat plays purely for fun and has no need to kick kittens show his skills off like this.

edit: @themenqceoftheseventhdimension maybe you can make a gameplay video for us europeans to watch :D?

Confusing an enemy doesn’t require a certain build. It requires some traits and a witty mind. Not every enemy will be confused. As for other mesmers, youll prolly get caught instantly. It isn’t even a thought to find the real mesmer. a phant build could just decoy, blink in stealth and still do just as much confusing.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

So guyz I really need for you to come and fight me tomorrow. I need to show you the power of this build. Please come to Heart of the Mists at around noon tomorrow. I shall be glad to challenge you.

I’m camping for this week, but when I get home I’ll gladly show you the same dirt I’ve shown every other arrogant person who thought to make this challenge to me.

Edit: Except theCOREYCOLAK, though he wasn’t arrogant like you and is actually an extremely skilled player.

The build works in the forums at least as I confess I am confused. Ok honestly I do not intend disrespect, I just liked the line.

For those who want to truly confuse other players it is accomplished one of two ways ( unfortunately just these two and they’re not guaranteed)

1. You use an invis skill and generate clones while wielding a GS or staff. Reappear off to their side or behind them. Never move, never use a skill other than ‘1’.

2. Use an obnoxiously large avatar and shatter like a son of a gun in a place where the camera angle can get a bit wonky. This can work and when it does it only lasts until you run out of shatters. Works a bit better with sword clones.

We don’t actually fool people, we’re pseudo-minion masters. I wish the former was true. It could have been true, but its not. That’s the reality of it.

Sorry you think i am some kind of noob who is so ignorant. Just so competitive a bit is all. Pluse I asked Osicat to battle me and he said sure but to arrange the time. I will soon battle him. Hope he somehow videotapes it.

I have updated the build and that is the build i will use to fight Osicat.

Yea man if you can beat Pyro on his phantasm build, id love to hear about this lol. I dueled him and beat him 1/3 or whatever we had. I think ive fought some of the best mesmers. Even Pyro knows Corey, and i remember us practicing in wvw for the longest time together. And if you are NA you’ll never fight Osi.

Ego Wars 2. I love it!

But actually, we do have a bit of trickery at our disposal. Some of my favorite shenanigans are:

• The Immortal build did no real damage on its own, you had to trick your opponent into constantly attacking you, little did they know they were really doing all the damage to themselves and it wasn’t coming from the Mesmer.

• Cloaking and Blinking behind people always screws with them. Phase Retreat + Decoy also invokes the ire of our opponents. X/Torch-Staff condition builds rock for this.

• With Mirror Images, Deceptive Evasion, Traited Weapons, iCelerity, and Decoy we can create clone armies. Literally having 9+ clones charging at the enemy at once for a massive shatter and all kinds of “OMGWTFBBQ-OPnerfPLZ!”

You know … now I’m amused. Post a time (EST) on this one, I’d like to see how you do versus folks like Osicat or Pyroatheist. Hell, I may even try you on. (Although I don’t claim to be some kinda leet PVPer – I’m mainly WvW-based)

Lol have you guyz even noticed that my build is shatter based? Of course Im gonna have a tough time against a bit bunker phantasm mesmer (soldier runes in PvP). That is the reality. But against Pyroatheist with his shatter build I can beat him. I have played shatter since 12/25/2012 and I have always gained knowledge every week. Sorry again if I sound nooby but I am just saying my part.

PS. I know how to do that 9 army clones thing. I personally dont think it’s that affective against a moving target because You can just run away from it and dodge when it hits you.

Edit: Pyroatheist if you come back from your camping trip plz post that you have come back. Again I play in the 1 vs 1 Dueling Servers near the top of the arena search box. If you are gonna go phantasm, I shall at least try my best to beat you with my shatter build. If it fails miserably, then it just means my shatter build is not well suited against PvP phantasm mesmers.

I don’t know why anyone would care. Beating this guy or that guy doesn’t get you paid or laid. At best you get a tiny amount if respect on a matter that means nothing in life from a very small subset of people.

Thanks for sharing a build that works for you.

dj tool this build definitely works for all shatter mesmers. I think you are the one with a whole lot of ego. Please stop making people mad and try to put your attention to this build. If you can’t that’s only your problem.

I’m not sure how someone who plays for fun has an ego. I don’t recall making any declarations about my own acumen.

All I’m saying is thanks for sharing, glad it works for you.

djtool.8372:

I don’t know why anyone would care. Beating this guy or that guy doesn’t get you paid or laid.

Wait.. you don’t have a little person in a box that pops out to “reward” you for every badkid you stomp?

… Was I the only one who thought to do that?

Just looked at you build per your request. I’ve run the exact same thing many times except I went condition damage focused to take advantage of all the confusion that is produced.

I will say to you that I question the need to spam shatters if you’re not attempting to create stacks of confusion. I would prefer to save my daze and my distortion for crucial moments when I need them although if you have a nice spread of GS clones then daze shatter can be staggered.

I will say I question taking “damage on interrupt” when you do not have two weapons to do it. It is possible that you can stagger a daze quite reliably in wvw with the gs but I do not know for sure.

I will say I question selecting blade training when you are not reducing the cooldown of an offhand sword

I will say that I question the selection of veil when the intention is to shatter a bunch of clones. If your not using invis to create space for phantasm or condition damage then you’re just using it yo save your behind and that can be done more often by moving 10 points into power for the torch cooldown.

I will say that I question taking both “vigor on shatter” and sigils of energy when you are not using signet of illusions to reset your shatters. With all the invis you have selected the space between using your shatters and reaching % 50 health is quite large.

Now…whatever tone you like to imagine I type in try to remember that you probably guess peoples personalities wrong on the internet all the time. I do enjoy some sarcastic fun here and there, but I do not insult people or talk down to them. You requested a more detailed opinion and now you have itt though I do not partake in wvw.

Finally I’ll repeat: thanks for sharing your build.

That’s marketable right there.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

djtool.8372:

I don’t know why anyone would care. Beating this guy or that guy doesn’t get you paid or laid.

Wait.. you don’t have a little person in a box that pops out to “reward” you for every badkid you stomp?

… Was I the only one who thought to do that?

@djtool: My irritation with this particular poster stems from his various posts over the past month. Take a look at his post history for a more complete idea.

@OP: I don’t run shatter builds, just a heads-up. That’s Osi’s specialty.

Look man. LOl can’t believe I’m saying this a bunch of times but i am terribly sorry for the last outburst i caused with my previous posts. I admit i sucked at handling that post and bumped it wayyyyy to many times. I agree with ya completely and i am sorry. So all i did was post a pretty good shatter build in my opinion and put a little guide along with it. I realize some people disagree with it and like to point out every little fact they think is wrong with this build. Lol no build is taht perfect i shall tell you right now. The game is designed to be so that all builds will not be perfect. I know you guyz understand that but are just trying to tell me more about the build. I really really appreciate it. but there were wayyyyy more doubters about this build than awesome criticisers. thats why i said you should fight me in Dueling. I understand that it makes you think i am a know it all dude who is just trolling with the community. I never wanted to be like that ya know. Anyways, This build was designed to give maximum shatter effectiveness hence shatter mesmer. But if you really really hate it it’s not my problem. Just try to tone it down a bit is all i’m asking. Thank you for your time.

P S i have tested this build out for near 10 hours.(nonstop)

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

It is a better, more versatile Mesmer build than any of the other types of shatter builds that are out there in my opinion.

Once again I will explain this to you since you still don’t seem to realize why people jump down your throat. Statements like this just show how arrogant you are. People do not like arrogance. Saying “in your opinion” at the end doesn’t make it less arrogant.

I run a PU build and have 3 stealths helps a lot. Stealth and run next to a clone stand still and time scepter auto attack with clones it actually works wonders people will lose track of you.

Something I would like to add that honestly isn’t directed toward anyone.

The obssesion with IP probably needs to be put in check. There probably isn’t even an easy way to accurately break down the numbers but I highly doubt that an extra (potential) 2k damage every 10 seconds is more damage then you would produce by moving points into crit multiplier or power. IP is most effective at confusion stacks and as a defensive tool. Even if a fourth shatter gives you 2 max dmg mindwracks there is just so much to be gained by moving those points. Especially if your not shattering your phantasms until after a couple attacks.

Before someone comments on their wvw mindwrack numbers I’m sure all other damage scales just as well.

djtool.8372:

Something I would like to add that honestly isn’t directed toward anyone.

The obssesion with IP probably needs to be put in check. There probably isn’t even an easy way to accurately break down the numbers but I highly doubt that an extra (potential) 2k damage every 10 seconds is more damage then you would produce by moving points into crit multiplier or power. IP is most effective at confusion stacks and as a defensive tool. Even if a fourth shatter gives you 2 max dmg mindwracks there is just so much to be gained by moving those points. Especially if your not shattering your phantasms until after a couple attacks.

Before someone comments on their wvw mindwrack numbers I’m sure all other damage scales just as well.

Yeah I never understood why you’d take it for MW numbers either, I personally take IP in my build, but it’s a condi build so I take it for the added confusion, defense, condi damage, and reduce shatter CD, not to mention the might I gain is nice =D.

If I wasn’t condi though the Points in dueling (or hell even dom) would be more appealing.

@OP I hope the phantasm Mesmer (Pyro right?) gets video and puts it on here, would be fun to see how your build handles itself against him.

IP is easily one of the best traits a Mesmer can take, not even just for the added damage. Among other things..

The on-demand distortion/daze makes our counter moves safe.
The on-demand daze gives us another solid interrupt.
It synergizes with Dazzling and Restorative Illusions.

Its one of our few traits where pretty much every kind of build would gain a huge benefit from it. A part of me feels like it should be part of the Mesmer mechanic in general or take less trait investment to grab because of that fact. If it was more accessible (as in moved to a Master line), I think we’d see a lot more diverse viable builds, though I haven’t thought hard enough on whether or not it’d be OP, could see arguments for both cases.

I’m going to say this one more time. As clearly as I can:

“Meow”

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it. ;-)

Chaos Archangel.5071:

IP is easily one of the best traits a Mesmer can take, not even just for the added damage. Among other things..

The on-demand distortion/daze makes our counter moves safe.
The on-demand daze gives us another solid interrupt.
It synergizes with Dazzling and Restorative Illusions.

Its one of our few traits where pretty much every kind of build would gain a huge benefit from it. A part of me feels like it should be part of the Mesmer mechanic in general or take less trait investment to grab because of that fact. If it was more accessible (as in moved to a Master line), I think we’d see a lot more diverse viable builds, though I haven’t thought hard enough on whether or not it’d be OP, could see arguments for both cases.

Umm hi guyz. I have tweeked and polished this Disorienting Shatter Build and I will post it up here. I am in love with this build right now cause it has more mobility than before. It is the build I will use to fight Osicat. Reason I haven’t fought him yet is because I realized that my mesmer armor looks very very very suckish. thought it would be undignifying to fight the creator of the shattercat mesmer with raggedy clothes. I was training myself in tpvp for the past week. I shall formerly ask him
to fight as soon as possible and ask him to video tape the battle. I have been playing the ele lately to get the armor in tpvp and I am a bit rusty at the Mesmer. It will take only like one day to get back in shape. I hope this fight will turn out amazing.

I’m back. Send me a pm ingame to duel.

Hey man. Glad to see you back safely from your vacation. As I have said before. I have been playing the Ele in the Tpvp for better armor farming. I need at least one or two days to get back into shape. By the way, what build are you going to use? Shatter? Phantasm? Condition? I prefer no condition because then you will surely win. Lol

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Hey man. Glad to see you back safely from your vacation. As I have said before. I have been playing the Ele in the Tpvp for better armor farming. I need at least one or two days to get back into shape. By the way, what build are you going to use? Shatter? Phantasm? Condition? I prefer no condition because then you will surely win. Lol

I’ll fight condition or phantasm. If what you said has the meaning of any condition build will make you lose….you may want to re-evaluate the build.

First of all.. Op Great Work! in helping to make Mesmer clkittenter Build meaningful..
I feel you are quite Passionate for your class and I Appreciate you providing meaningful resourses in helping yuor class much better.

Second of all; I don’t believe nor felt that the Op was being Arrogant or Rude; believe me as a advocate against those sinful fruits,

Third of all; The Op is driven by his Enthusiasm about the Greatness of his Shatter build; he Never belittled anyone shatter build; why would others think otherwise?

Fourth of all; since the majority are jumping on his throught and strangling him.. he even Apologized if his Intent was to insult or belittke or being Prideful. Than isn’t that enough to accept his apology and continue to work with his ideas?

So what makes you if can’t accept his Apology and Encourage him in his journey in helping to make Mesmer Shatter build much better?

Better than him or Worse than him?

The Results of Ego, Pridefulness is Selfishness

Yet

The Op Results of his Ego, Pridefulness is to help others in a non-Selfish way,

Where is the Justice?

(Osicat and others are great players as well)..

(We can all learn from each other without the Belittling)

Afterall

As the saying goes, "Those who are No’t against us, are for us

Please! keep that in mind