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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

I need to know how to fight this mesmer that:

1) Has High burst damage
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
4) Constant Stealth
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
7) Uses GS
8) Constant Condi Removal

I’m guessing its a PU or w/e that thing is.

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Posted by: Pyroathiest.4168

Pyroathiest.4168

Ahhh yes, the 30/30/30/30/30 build dualwielding greatswords and staves. I know it well. You don’t fight it, you juts lose.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

Ahhh yes, the 30/30/30/30/30 build dualwielding greatswords and staves. I know it well. You don’t fight it, you juts lose.

This is a serious question.

I don’t understand the balance of this. There has to be a weakness, but I’m not seeing any. So I came over here to ask, and I get sarcasm. Great mesmer community impression already. You’re very great help, thanks.

I’m not asking for a secret formula or anything, but as of right now: whatever that person was using seems very, very overpowered downing people constantly while not dieing in the heat of everything. It was also very obvious who the real mesmer was but he just keeps disappearing and then reappearing with almost full health and boons a few seconds later.

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Posted by: Pyroathiest.4168

Pyroathiest.4168

Nope, there’s no weakness. You’re referring to the full shatter PU bunker clonespam confusion bomb shatter condie removal build.

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Posted by: SteepledHat.1345

SteepledHat.1345

1) Has High burst damage
Dodge
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
Dodge
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
Boon strip
4) Constant Stealth
Prediction
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
Boon Strip
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
Don’t kill the clones
7) Uses GS
Stay as close as possible
8) Constant Condi Removal
Lol, please tell me how this is done on mesmer
Edit: Eh, is perhaps he’s running mantra heal and mantra cleanse. With condi cleanse on heal. If that’s the case. Condi Pressure would be my tactic. Exhaust his charges and interrupt.

Putting aside how having all these things is impossible on mesmer. That would be my strategy.

“Failure to remain calm is the sign of a weak mind.”

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Posted by: NICENIKESHOE.7128

NICENIKESHOE.7128

If they’re playing condition then there are no burst damage unless you’re spamming skills with confusion on you. You should consider timing your attacks because PU condition rely on their opponent’s decisions to kill them.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

I finally got an actual serious answer.

A Staff / GS mesmer. Using a variation of PU.

Finding some examples, they use Decoy and Null Field. Sigil of Purity on their weapons.
Shatters heal, apply confusion, etc.

The downside is having a very low health pool and armor, allowing 2 burst damage players to take the mesmer down very quickly or condi-pressure. They are able to get boons through chaos armor and traits.

The condition damage itself does not do a lot, but they give the illusion that it does since they can apply a lot of it while smacking down targets. Confusion also sucks for anyone with fast attacks.

They start with staff but quickly switch to GS after putting staff skills on CD.

@Pyro
For someone who writes guides for mesmers, I hope new mesmers don’t look for your guidance.

@Steeple
At least that that’s helpful in some way, thank you.

And yes, the build does exist. I may have exaggerated it a bit, but I don’t know jack about mesmer.

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

Sounds like a hybrid PU build, or maybe a GS/Staff PU power build actually. Maybe blackdevils? Sorry OP, am on phone right now so I cant be too detailed but its a difficult fight no matter what. What class/build do you play?

Edit: Ninja’d. X.x Effin touchscreens.

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

Mystogan.4157

it would help if we knew what class you play and are you talking pvp or wvw

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

Mystogan.4157

Also you can tell alot by looking under the health bar. if you see signets its usually a boon/ condi build. you can also see the mantras they are using. if it has 3 stacks that means its a mantra heavy build, and most likely they are using runes that give “on heal” effects.

Assuming it is a PU build, if it is condi you need to watch the confusion stacks. either clear them or use blocks heals kite until they drop cause they will hurt bad.

Boon stripping mesmers are usually power shatter builds so if this is one build you are talking about then its most likely a tanky one that uses condis to widdle down the enemy?

can you pls specify if you are talking about 1 build or different ones

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Posted by: Dhampyr.2104

Dhampyr.2104

I need to know how to fight this mesmer that:

1) Has High burst damage
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
4) Constant Stealth
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
7) Uses GS
8) Constant Condi Removal

I’m guessing its a PU or w/e that thing is.

Just to explain Pyro’s sarcasm – the mesmer you describe in your original post doesn’t exist. If the build has high burst damage, the conditions don’t hit for much. If it has high condi ticks, the power stinks and there isn’t much burst. Condi removal tends to be problematic for most builds, there isn’t any build with constant condi removal (the build that I run is probably close to the best condi removal available for mesmers, gets rid of 12 condis over about 15 secs).

Bottom line, while mesmers can have some of what you describe in your OP, no single build has all of it.

Edit – the best advice I can give you is roll a mesmer and learn it. With no sarcasm intended, you really don’t know what you’re talking about – playing a mesmer will change that.

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Posted by: Rainbow Sprint.3215

Rainbow Sprint.3215

Since stealth has no counter in this game, it’s gonna be hard. Good luck.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

Apparently its a power based build that just happens to apply a lot of conditions in the process of whatever they are doing. I tried it out just now, could apply bleed, burn, confusion, vulnerability pretty often but they didn’t really do anything. The main source of damage obviously came from shatter/phantasms/weapon.

With the addition of null field, traits, and sigils I can have 8-9 condi clears done in almost 5 seconds, so when someone is applying a lot of condis on me, it looks like constant condi removal but it isn’t.

@Dhampyr
I did. And I really don’t know what I’m talking about, which is why I asked. That is no reason for pyro to be an kitten to someone new to the profession’s workings.

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Posted by: Pyroathiest.4168

Pyroathiest.4168

Apparently its a power based build that just happens to apply a lot of conditions in the process of whatever they are doing. I tried it out just now, could apply bleed, burn, confusion, vulnerability pretty often but they didn’t really do anything. The main source of damage obviously came from shatter/phantasms/weapon.

With the addition of null field, traits, and sigils I can have 8-9 condi clears done in almost 5 seconds, so when someone is applying a lot of condis on me, it looks like constant condi removal but it isn’t.

@Dhampyr
I did. And I really don’t know what I’m talking about, which is why I asked. That is no reason for pyro to be an kitten to someone new to the profession’s workings.

What you listed was ludicrous and impossible. I prefer for people to do one of two things.

a. Recognize that they’re not skilled enough to understand what’s going on and proceed accordingly
b. Understand what’s going on and ask for help correctly.

Notice that neither of those include

c. Proceed to forums and make absurd accusations about how overpowered a class is.

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

Mystogan.4157

well you said they heal on shatter AND procs aegis protection/ regen and stealths which means they have to have 0/0/30/30/0 at minimum. at which case they should have no burst jst huge survivability and cleanse.

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Posted by: jarthur.3649

jarthur.3649

wexxes don’t worry about pyro anet has made him very pessimistic and irritable particularly over this latest patch of goodness (sarcasm) that we received you just happened to arrive at a bad time. otherwise ya probably the power build you found.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

What you listed was ludicrous and impossible. I prefer for people to do one of two things.

a. Recognize that they’re not skilled enough to understand what’s going on and proceed accordingly
b. Understand what’s going on and ask for help correctly.

Notice that neither of those include

c. Proceed to forums and make absurd accusations about how overpowered a class is.

The problem with your claim is that I did say I don’t understand. And it was a serious post. Nothing about complaining about how overpowered something is. I asked for help. I made it clear:

This is a serious question.

I don’t understand the balance of this. There has to be a weakness, but I’m not seeing any. So I came over here to ask, and I get sarcasm.

You gave me this right after:

Nope, there’s no weakness. You’re referring to the full shatter PU bunker clonespam confusion bomb shatter condie removal build.

You proceeded to troll a second time. You didn’t even ask for specifics or anything. Maybe I was seeing something but it was actually something else.

And you know what’s funny? It was indeed possible, not 100% to match the description, more like 80%. There was indeed high burst damage, and high condi spam but because the person in question used Berserker, the condi damage itself did minor damage. There was stealth, there was null field, there were sigil of purity. I apply conditions regularly but not like a condi spammer, so it definitely looked like he had constant condi removal.

The build in question had at least 0/20/0/30/0, not sure where the other points go, but that’s what I’ve been seeing on builds similar to my description.

I can’t describe what the build is 100%: I neither play mesmer or do I get answers for my questions when I did ask (as demonstrated). Luckily, a lot of people here are indeed helpful. When people ask me about engineer stuff, it tends to be over exaggerated because they don’t know the class, which is fine.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

procs aegis protection/ regen and stealths .

It was actually just the staff in conjunction with decoy.

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

Mystogan.4157

decoy does not give any of those only with pu

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

I need to know how to fight this mesmer that:

1) Has High burst damage
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
4) Constant Stealth
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
7) Uses GS
8) Constant Condi Removal

I’m guessing its a PU or w/e that thing is.

ok u are miing a ton of builds at,/
1. only glass mes has a high burst dmg. it will be either shatter or phantasm build. if he pops phantasms then make sure u kill them before he gets 3 up, cause even if mes isnt glass build, then he can deal a ton of dmg with 3 actuve phantasms.
shatter mes is hard to play but very effective and hard to kill. i recommend watching some videos about shatter mes to understnd how they work.

2 high condi dmg has no burst dmg and will work of u killing his clones and also with condi phantasms. u wanna kill image right away as it deal dmg according to your coindis u have. burn is non of our class mechanics but a new rune makes it possible to use. but we are not the burn specialists. id recommend studying the blackwater mesmer build to understand it

3its not constant its a pu build so wait until mes has used up his stealth and then attack.

4check wiki and play mes in order to understand that we do not have constant stealth at all. we just know how to time it

5 idk where u get this one from. we do not have constant heling. yes there is a small regen in pu build but again mes knows how to time heals right.

6 there is no millions its max 3 illusions. little hint the real mes is the one that doges or walks backwards and doesnt use autoattacks as often as clones.

7well if it was a condi build then he doesnt use gs. simple. gs is a power wepon. so u are mixing like 3-4 different builds atm.

8. erm mes has the worst condi removal in the game just fyi. the only reason he can remove it is because of a traited torch and still condis will kill a mes fast,.

id recommend make a mesmer, play pu condi(blackwater or napalm cat),pu power(hidden cat) and shatter builds. then u learn how mes works and u will die way less to them

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

And you know what’s funny? It was indeed possible, not 100% to match the description, more like 80%. There was indeed high burst damage, and high condi spam but because the person in question used Berserker, the condi damage itself did minor damage. There was stealth, there was null field, there were sigil of purity. I apply conditions regularly but not like a condi spammer, so it definitely looked like he had constant condi removal.

The build in question had at least 0/20/0/30/0, not sure where the other points go, but that’s what I’ve been seeing on builds similar to my description.

I can’t describe what the build is 100%: I neither play mesmer or do I get answers for my questions when I did ask (as demonstrated). Luckily, a lot of people here are indeed helpful. When people ask me about engineer stuff, it tends to be over exaggerated because they don’t know the class, which is fine.

Oh snap. Hold that, Pyro.

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Posted by: SteepledHat.1345

SteepledHat.1345

decoy does not give any of those only with pu

I think he’s saying the mes is using decoy for stealth and chaos armor for the boons.

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Posted by: Blades of Sabatine.5639

Blades of Sabatine.5639

procs aegis protection/ regen and stealths .

It was actually just the staff in conjunction with decoy.

You seen to be doing well for yourself finding out about the class and the builkitten

o expert in the class myself but…

My guess is you can up against a power build to apply conditions but heavy on survivability with blink and decoy.

I will also say because the player uses 2 handed weapons they stay at rang and only coming in when switch to staff and quickly blink out again. This is more a trap and also to create a shield for themselves.

Try to stay in thier face when they switch to GS or else the gw clone well cut you down fast.

One final thought,

Adapt is the name of the game.

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Posted by: NICENIKESHOE.7128

NICENIKESHOE.7128

ok let’s piece them together…

PU is a definite since there isn’t other way to get protection/regen/aegis on stealth. 6 traits gone.

Shatter heals means we also need grandmaster in inspiration. 6 traits gone and you’re left with 2 only.

You said shatter also apply confusion, which is true for cry of frustration only if not traited. At best about 3 confusion if all landed. If traited then all shatters can apply confusion, but that means he have minor adept trait on illusions, so 1 trait gone and 1 left if this is the case.

But with constant condition cleanse it means he have to slot mantra of resolve or trait for mender’s purity (with mantra of recovery) or both if he’s too careful. If he has mantra of resolve then his utility, being nullfield, decoy, mantra of resolve and mass invisibility, will be unable to sustain constant stealth in GS/Staff build.

There can be plenty of choices from the above restrictions, but either way I don’t think he’ll hit that hard. The x/x/6/6/x limits the potential on the rest of offensive traits. Could you at least give your class type and armor stats? Even if your opponent run full zerk he’ll find it hard to graze anyone who has decent toughness. I run almost full zerk shatter mesmer with 4/4/0/0/6 and I’m having trouble against PTV gears and high toughness opponents myself. Also whether you’re in WvW or PvP also help heaps.

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Posted by: jarthur.3649

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probably, the other thing i see happening is he confused what was from the Mesmer and what was from other sources maybe.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

probably, the other thing i see happening is he confused what was from the Mesmer and what was from other sources maybe.

That could be it as well.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

8) Constant Condi Removal
Lol, please tell me how this is done on mesmer

Sigil of Purity + Generosity,
2 every 10 seconds, 1 of which transfers instead of clears just from attacking.

4 every 10-12 seconds from healing with Power Return with the trait Mender’s Purity.

5 every 40(32) seconds with null field.

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Posted by: Irxallis.7350

Irxallis.7350

Can’t really help you with the specifics, but the description of the mesmer imples your enemy might have stacked a lot of might.

As mights work both with power damage and condition damage (and GS is one of the best might stacking weapon), the power mesmer might give an impression of being a condition one, especially if one uses +40% condi food (in case of WvW).

If that is so, PU generates the “boon shield” for mights so it is hard to strip them. I myself play a power mesmer with +40% condi duration food (for control condis and bleeds on clone crits trait) and with 12 mights my conditions require some attention.

Solution to fight this would be very aggressive boonstripping – those mights have to go – and dodging the GS2 skill whenever possible. Of course, if we have a staff in play too, staff clones give nice, short time buffs. But then, the mobility of a mesmer like that should be very low (unless uses runes of Traveler or Speed in which case might stacks will not be as… imposing).

If enemy uses Bountiful Interruption as a second might generation source, he will try to interrupt you whenever he can for 5 mights and a boon. And it is possible if enemy uses Chaos line.

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Posted by: Skyz.4105

Skyz.4105

I think the biggest misconception is not many people actually look into what a PU Mesmer is and their only experience with it is fighting which teaches you the strengths but not so much the weaknesses. In all honesty i don’t think Condi PU is that strong anymore, why? because people played against it over and over and realized after the first 100 cheeses its not that bad anymore it was a new meta that was just annoying, i don’t think any of the Nerfs helped with this just purely peoples play style. So atm there is the new thing of Power PU which is coming out which is basically the counter to ALL power builds in this game in a 1v1 scenario yes i agree this is faceroll build but atleast after a week i can already see it has huge condi removal problems(have fun with rune of the krait :P)

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

Thanks for all the helpful answers guys, really appreciate it.

I think the biggest misconception is not many people actually look into what a PU Mesmer is and their only experience with it is fighting which teaches you the strengths but not so much the weaknesses.

Definitely.

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Posted by: Darnacus.5961

Darnacus.5961

I see this as phantasm/power PU mesmer, much has been said already but:
– any mesmer using staff will spam conditions, but those will not tick for much if he uses spec above
– removing conditions is a pain for all memser, although with lyssa and both sigils it may look like he removes them all (hint: keep the pressure, loaded with condi and lyssa on cooldown makes me very unhappy)
– ‘heal while in stealth’ is weird, but most PU mesmer (at least I do) actually simply use their heal while invisible to prevent interruption, so it’s not something automatic. The regen PU sometimes give in stealth will not be very noticeable.

My advice for those:
– put conditions (or direct damage & poison, I hate poison) on mesmer while he is visible
– kill his phantasm when he disappears
– if you can spam AoE. do it (warrior longbow, thief shortbow, etc…)
– don’t worry too much about the conditions or his autoattacks. his damage will come from phantasm (kill them when he stealth) and occasional shatter (dodge when they run to you)
– a lucky large AoE knockdown/interrupt if you see him go invisible on low health will mean victory if you hit him Always worth a try – very useful with a hammer warrior in sPvP (where mesmer tend to stay in the circle).

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Posted by: hendo.1940

hendo.1940

1) Has High burst damage
Dodge
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
Dodge
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
Boon strip
4) Constant Stealth
Prediction
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
Boon Strip
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
Don’t kill the clones
7) Uses GS
Stay as close as possible
8) Constant Condi Removal
Lol, please tell me how this is done on mesmer
Edit: Eh, is perhaps he’s running mantra heal and mantra cleanse. With condi cleanse on heal. If that’s the case. Condi Pressure would be my tactic. Exhaust his charges and interrupt.

Putting aside how having all these things is impossible on mesmer. That would be my strategy.

did you seriously just tell someone to dodge condition spam?

do you even pvp?

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Posted by: EnRohbi.2187

EnRohbi.2187

1) Has High burst damage
Dodge
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
Dodge
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
Boon strip
4) Constant Stealth
Prediction
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
Boon Strip
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
Don’t kill the clones
7) Uses GS
Stay as close as possible
8) Constant Condi Removal
Lol, please tell me how this is done on mesmer
Edit: Eh, is perhaps he’s running mantra heal and mantra cleanse. With condi cleanse on heal. If that’s the case. Condi Pressure would be my tactic. Exhaust his charges and interrupt.

Putting aside how having all these things is impossible on mesmer. That would be my strategy.

did you seriously just tell someone to dodge condition spam?

do you even pvp?

Conditions have to be applied by an attack, most (all?) of which can be dodged.
If you dodge the attack, you don’t suffer the conditions.

So yes.
He suggested to dodge.

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Posted by: hendo.1940

hendo.1940

you may or may not have noticed but you only have two dodges in this game

conditions can pretty much be applied by autoattacks

so no, you will not be dodging condition spam. you can dodge condition bursts, yes (e.g. sig of spite or for a more relevant example, torment block on scepter), but good luck trying to dodge a player applying conditions with literally every single skill they use. you see, i’m not a fan of tryhard “learn to dodge” when it’s physically impossible to dodge the sheer volume of conditions applied to you.

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Posted by: EnRohbi.2187

EnRohbi.2187

you may or may not have noticed but you only have two dodges in this game

conditions can pretty much be applied by autoattacks

so no, you will not be dodging condition spam. you can dodge condition bursts, yes (e.g. sig of spite), but good luck trying to dodge a player applying conditions with literally every single skill they use. you see, i’m not a fan of tryhard “learn to dodge” when it’s physically impossible to dodge the sheer volume of conditions applied to you.

Other than the big bursts, most condition spam isn’t enough of a threat that it can’t be cleansed, healed, or waited out.

There are also plenty of other ways to actively defend against attacks (Blocks, immunity, non-dodge-evasion, terrain blocking, sometimes even just strafing or going out of range. They all serve the same purpose).

If you’re literally ONLY using dodges to defend against attacks then, yeah, you are correct; you won’t last very long. But there are a lot of ways in this game to just \not get hit\ and many of them aren’t limited by your endurance bar.

EDIT: I am getting off topic though. I’ve never really considered condition mesmers to be much of a threat, so I’m mostly speaking from a reference point of fighting other particularly condition heavy classes.

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

you may or may not have noticed but you only have two dodges in this game

conditions can pretty much be applied by autoattacks

so no, you will not be dodging condition spam. you can dodge condition bursts, yes (e.g. sig of spite or for a more relevant example, torment block on scepter), but good luck trying to dodge a player applying conditions with literally every single skill they use. you see, i’m not a fan of tryhard “learn to dodge” when it’s physically impossible to dodge the sheer volume of conditions applied to you.

Pretty much this. I tend to play with no condition removal besides Lyssa Runes, and there’s no way to dodge that much condition application, even assuming it’s only coming from one opponent. And if it’s staff clones, nooot happening.

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Posted by: Mogar.9216

Mogar.9216

I am guessing the high condi damage isn’t real. I run a power build but uses condi food for cripple and weakness and a long bleed to stop people from getting out of combat and regen but not for damage. I’m going to guess whoever you fought most likely does the same.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

I see this as phantasm/power PU mesmer, much has been said already but:
– any mesmer using staff will spam conditions, but those will not tick for much if he uses spec above
– removing conditions is a pain for all memser, although with lyssa and both sigils it may look like he removes them all (hint: keep the pressure, loaded with condi and lyssa on cooldown makes me very unhappy)
– ‘heal while in stealth’ is weird, but most PU mesmer (at least I do) actually simply use their heal while invisible to prevent interruption, so it’s not something automatic. The regen PU sometimes give in stealth will not be very noticeable.

My advice for those:
– put conditions (or direct damage & poison, I hate poison) on mesmer while he is visible
– kill his phantasm when he disappears
– if you can spam AoE. do it (warrior longbow, thief shortbow, etc…)
– don’t worry too much about the conditions or his autoattacks. his damage will come from phantasm (kill them when he stealth) and occasional shatter (dodge when they run to you)
– a lucky large AoE knockdown/interrupt if you see him go invisible on low health will mean victory if you hit him Always worth a try – very useful with a hammer warrior in sPvP (where mesmer tend to stay in the circle).

A bit late, but this was basically what it was. I got a hold of some mesmer guys who were on and that’s basically what they told me.

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Posted by: WEXXES.2378

WEXXES.2378

I am guessing the high condi damage isn’t real. I run a power build but uses condi food for cripple and weakness and a long bleed to stop people from getting out of combat and regen but not for damage. I’m going to guess whoever you fought most likely does the same.

It wasn’t. I found out that condi contributed to just screwing with me and masking the other condis that he really wanted on me (vulnerability, cripple) using bleeds and stuff.

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Posted by: Dondagora.9645

Dondagora.9645

If the high physical damage is real, it was probably a phantasm mesmer that spammed conditions to increase the output of damage by the Warlock and stealthed as you were only paying attention to the conditions. Focus on the warlock first and take out the clones when the mrs stealths before clearing condis… Is what I think, at least.

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Posted by: Azukas.1426

Azukas.1426

easiest way to kill the Mesmer is by attacking it…

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Posted by: cheshader.5081

cheshader.5081

How to fight mesmer?

The most popular method is to complain on forums, so that mesmer will be nerfed.

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

How to fight mesmer?

The most popular method is to complain on forums, so that mesmer will be nerfed.

actually let them nerf us. at some point we are so low, that not a single player plays this class anymore and then we will finally get a make over….and then 2 days later camelot unchained is coming out….

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Posted by: Twilight Undreaming.5197

Twilight Undreaming.5197

How to fight mesmer?

The most popular method is to complain on forums, so that mesmer will be nerfed.

actually let them nerf us. at some point we are so low, that not a single player plays this class anymore and then we will finally get a make over….and then 2 days later camelot unchained is coming out….

Funny I’m pretty sure that the biggest “nerf” to the build he is talking about will come when anet makes it so that the clones properly over-wright one another and it’s not possible to do a single 12 clone burst.

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Posted by: Aniltiger.9186

Aniltiger.9186

Imbalance is a good thing, but only when it comes to builds. Aparently, you have been having a playstyle which make mesmer’s PU survivability and damage shine. If you want to conter this, try to find a build that is strong on condition removal and boons. Also learn how to fight in that situation, however, that is something we can’t teach you. That’s something you have to learn by knowing your own character and knowing how to react and what skills to use at the right time.

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Posted by: Raunchy.6891

Raunchy.6891

How to fight mesmer?

The most popular method is to complain on forums, so that mesmer will be nerfed.

actually let them nerf us. at some point we are so low, that not a single player plays this class anymore and then we will finally get a make over….and then 2 days later camelot unchained is coming out….

Funny I’m pretty sure that the biggest “nerf” to the build he is talking about will come when anet makes it so that the clones properly over-wright one another and it’s not possible to do a single 12 clone burst.

12 clone burst? What kind of dark magic is someone using for that to happen?

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Posted by: Doug Whisper.2465

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Tested a build against the Jotun in HotM and it seems fit the description. Using Berserker Amulet with Infiltration Rune.

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Open with Staff using Chaos Storm, iWarlock, Phase Retreat. Swap to GS unload iBerserker, Mirror Blade. Then switch to Staff again in similar rotation. Even without DE, selecting traits for both Staff and GS seems to allow adequate clone generation. To make this build works, I need to intentionally not heal and let the health bar drop to 20% to trigger cloak from the Infiltration Rune. Surprisingly this cloak also proc PU. With the less than 50% health. damage boss from the rune, the Jotun down fairly quick. For the Mesmer in question who practice a lot with this build, he surely can do it even quicker.

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Posted by: Valtarius.8671

Valtarius.8671

I need to know how to fight this mesmer that:

1) Has High burst damage
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
4) Constant Stealth
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
7) Uses GS
8) Constant Condi Removal

I’m guessing its a PU or w/e that thing is.

If you want to know how to fight a class or know how it works, play it yourself. Cause the things you list here are not right because that is an OP build that seems like a full 30/30/30/30/30. You obviously have no clue to defeat one, so the best advice to you is play one yourself.

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Posted by: calavel.6249

calavel.6249

1) Has High burst damage
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
4) Constant Stealth
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
7) Uses GS
8) Constant Condi Removal

1) A power build, obviously. The damage could come from any number of sources, but most likely beefed up phantasms (Dom III, Dueling II)
2) Probably staff, if they are apply often in short durations. Bleeds are from clone crits and probably clone death as well.
Confusion is most likely from Chaos Armor. Don’t hit the big purple bubble.
3) PU (Chaos XII)
4) PU
5) PU, possibly Signet of the Ether.
6) Deceptive Evasion (Dueling X)
8) Probably well-timed Mantra of Restoration (2×2 instant condi cleanse, 20s CD, ~3s charge)

So bascially some sort of power PU build that uses GS and staff (I assume). The conditions are mostly for show. My advice would be to stay away from the clones (don’t get hit by condi-death traits), try to dodge the phantasms and save all your bursts for when he comes out of stealth.
If all else fails, run away. Most mesmers suck at chasing unless running very specific traits/weapons.

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Posted by: theblankcalendar.1792

theblankcalendar.1792

Ahhh yes, the 30/30/30/30/30 build dualwielding greatswords and staves. I know it well. You don’t fight it, you juts lose.

XD You made me fall off my chair!