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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

Hello everyone!

Lately I’ve been streaming more and more and so decided to also share my build on the forums. So it is possible you already know this build, that’s good then.

This build is extremely strong with a great survivability. When played correctly you can easily beat blackwater builds with this. Eventhough phantasm is solo-based damage, you can still beat 1v3’s /1v4’s. I’ll put some video’s below of my gameplay.

For now, let’s focus on the build:
http://intothemists.com/guides/1793-phantasm_hybrid_20

Weapons:

Why Greatsword/Sword-Pistol?
Greatsword offers you a great long distance dps and a great way to chase targets with Izerk doing good damage and cripple for pretty long (Food buff +40% cond duration also works on this) The clones of greatsword hit multiple times which is also great (I will come back to this later on). It also allows to you gain 6 stacks of might quite easily and is great vs thieves to knock them out of shadow refuge.

Sword offers you a really long immobilize with a short cooldown and ofc an immunity which will help you quite a lot with your survivability. Please notice that you’ll have to learn to use blurred frenzy more defensive than offensive. Don’t use it with illusionary leap too often. Safe your illusionary leap to immobilize your targets so your phantasm attacks will be much harder to evade

Pistol offers you one of the best, if not the best, phantasm in game. Iduelist can stack a great amount of bleedings which helps your dps in this build a lot. The stun also comes very usefull since it can give you at max 10 stacks of might when interrupt (Bountiful interruption).

Gears, Food & Runes:

As you can see I use a mix of bezerkers and rabid. (You can also swap bezerkers gears for assasin’s if you want more crit strike for more bleeding stacks)
Basicly with all the vitality buffs you can obtain in WvW you’ll have more than enough vitality to survive. So what you want to build around is:
Power, Precision, toughness, condition damage.

If you want to use knights instead of bezerkers gears then I can already tell you that you wont have enough damage to win most 1v3’s
The reason behind this is because you don’t have any cooldown reduction on your phantasm, so sometimes you just lack damage, even with the gears I’m running.

With the 40% cond duration food you can stack up to 20 bleeds due the fact that izerk, iduelist and the Greatsword clones hit multiple times. Having Deceptive Evasion really becomes useful here, because with 3 greatsword clones you can still keep up 10 stacks bleeding. Add a few stacks of might with that (#2 greatsword and #5 greatsword can give you 10-25 stacks might easily) and you get bleeding ticks of around 80-100.
The Oil is ofc to gain more crit strike so your illusions will crit more often = more bleed stacks = higher dps.

Runes:
Runes of centaur are really amazing for this build for a few reasons
1. The power you get gives you more dps, which is great.
2. The bleeding duration +15% gives you the ability to do even more bleeding stacks and gain more dps.
3. This is the best of all: Constant swiftness

With 30% boon duration and 20% swiftness duration you’ll have +/- 15 seconds of swiftness every 10 seconds. This means that you can stack swiftness up to 2mins if you constantly refresh it.

With constant swiftness, blink and 3 stealths you’ll be able to outrun almost anyone. Even if you’re outnumbered 1 to 10, you can easily wait for them to get close to you, stealth, blink the opposite way and run away with perm swiftness.

Traits:
Don’t think theres much to explain on this part besides a few things:
1. Your dps is really high due: domination III, dueling II+X and 15 minor trait dueling and 25 minor trait chaos.
2. Your survivability gets boosted a lot with PU (Grandmaster trait chaos), Chaos III, Dueling X and Inspiration IV.

Why is dueling X good for offensive, aswell as defensive?
Offensive: Basicly because clones do crits which apply bleeding. This can add up, like i said before, with 3 greatsword clones to 10 stacks easily.
Defensive: Since you’ll have constant vigor you’ll be able to dodge a lot, which gives you an upkeep of 3 illusions constantly. This makes it harder for the enemy to spot who’s the real player and also gives you the ability to easily gain the full F4 shatter to stomp enemies or tank enemies till one of your stealths is back up so you can escape much easier.

Video’s:
WvW Mesmer Roaming #7
WvW Mesmer Roaming #6
WvW Mesmer Roaming #5
How to Survive – Guardian + Ele
WvW Mesmer Roaming 30 Mins Stream with multiple 1v3/4’s.

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Posted by: sendmark.4731

sendmark.4731

Very nice build Doiid, going to give this a bump.

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Posted by: themenaceofseventhdimension.2075

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075

Gotta ask you. How does this build help defend against really good necro players? I only see one source of condi removal. Curtain combo is not nearly enough. Explain plz.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

Gotta ask you. How does this build help defend against really good necro players? I only see one source of condi removal. Curtain combo is not nearly enough. Explain plz.

Against equal skilled necro’s in open field you will probably still win just because you can kite around their damage good enough while your phantasm do the rest.
Though when you gonna fight in nasty corners the necro can easily lure your clones around a corner, aoe there and burst you down when he can.

However, thanks to the amazing mobility of this build you can easily escape when you fight in tiny spaces, so practicly you shouldn’t be dieing on 1v1 aspect.

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Posted by: sendmark.4731

sendmark.4731

Well after playing this build solidly in wvw over last few days I have to bump it again. I’ve played a lot of good builds – PU condition builds, confusion bombs, shatters and especially those by Senostix, however purely for WvW roaming this is simply the strongest I’ve come across.

Condition removal on the surface can be a problem, but with so many stealths and ranged damage, as long as you keep distance against necros / condi classes, you just don’t let people stack enough conditions on you before taking them out.

Tanks with a lot of boons were a problem for me, can eventually wear them out though and I did have a couple of soldier’s accessories I could have swapped out for berserkers. Also could have stacked might better before adding burst with blurred frenzy.

Big thumbs up for creating a great build and sharing it.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

Well after playing this build solidly in wvw over last few days I have to bump it again. I’ve played a lot of good builds – PU condition builds, confusion bombs, shatters and especially those by Senostix, however purely for WvW roaming this is simply the strongest I’ve come across.

Condition removal on the surface can be a problem, but with so many stealths and ranged damage, as long as you keep distance against necros / condi classes, you just don’t let people stack enough conditions on you before taking them out.

Tanks with a lot of boons were a problem for me, can eventually wear them out though and I did have a couple of soldier’s accessories I could have swapped out for berserkers. Also could have stacked might better before adding burst with blurred frenzy.

Big thumbs up for creating a great build and sharing it.

Thank you for the kind words ^^

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Posted by: FinalPatriot.8034

FinalPatriot.8034

This build looks REALLY interesting as I love the idea of conditions + direct damage. Just wondering though, why not take runes of the undead for the extra + condition damage?

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

This build looks REALLY interesting as I love the idea of conditions + direct damage. Just wondering though, why not take runes of the undead for the extra + condition damage?

Constant swiftness, longer bleeds and more power vs cond damage and a bit tough.

I guess that’s not too hard to answer yourself on that.

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Posted by: Warlord of Chaos.7845

Warlord of Chaos.7845

Honesty this is a really good spec. The damage and survival it has is a lot more than I thought, coming from another hybrid spec. This build is amazing for wars, mesmers, and honestly any power build. The only problem I have is 1 condi remove is simply not enough for me personally. Would there be anything you change to get more condi cleanses, like null field or something? I’m saying this because if I get a signet of spite on me from a necro I usually die fast since I have almost every condi in the game on me

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

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Honesty this is a really good spec. The damage and survival it has is a lot more than I thought, coming from another hybrid spec. This build is amazing for wars, mesmers, and honestly any power build. The only problem I have is 1 condi remove is simply not enough for me personally. Would there be anything you change to get more condi cleanses, like null field or something? I’m saying this because if I get a signet of spite on me from a necro I usually die fast since I have almost every condi in the game on me

You could practice iduelist combined with veil though you should be able to dodge most of the conditions.

The thing is with condition specs that they are 95% of the time stuck at 900 yards range and only in 1 direction. That means standing behind them would already disable them until they turn.

Try to keep distance when you are with greatsword. Safe #5 for when they come close, then swap to sword, immobilize them quickly or first cast iduelist and activate the 2nd option of #3 to immobilize. Be sure you stand behind them. When the immobilize is gone, he will probably try to use his most effective condition skills on you, use #2 to evade and dodge right after the evade time. Go into a stealth if needed and wait for your #3 to go off cd. Then immobilize again, switch to greatsword and spawn izerker. If izerk isnt off cd yet quickly use 2+3 burst.

Also be aware that you can always use f3 if you only got normal clones and especially if you only got 1-2 clones

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Posted by: Warlord of Chaos.7845

Warlord of Chaos.7845

Awesome. I’ll go roaming again and listen to the advice you gave. Also how well do you think this spec does in group situations? So far it does quite well for me.

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Posted by: Fraeg.9837

Fraeg.9837

been using your build, slightly different gear but the final stats are pretty close. I ended up with 670 condition damage and 46% crit chance without any stacks. Thinking about stacking condition damage instead to see how that fairs as having 66% crit chance from stacks might be a bit overkill. /shrug

If I go that route, I will let you know how it goes.

Just wanted to say great build, I am really enjoying. I mainly play Necro and my Mesmer and Thief were leveled in an attempt to better understand how to fight them. Found out that I really enjoyed the Mesmer.

Gone through several different builds and this one is suiting my playstyle well…. and I feel “cleaner” than I did with my last build which was a “cheesy condition troll build” as they say

Cheers

edit ever toyed with Sigil of Earth (60% chance to cause bleed on crit?) instead of say the +5% damage?

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Posted by: themenaceofseventhdimension.2075

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How would you deal against other stealth hybrid builds? staying behind them is useless since they stealth so much, and if they happen to have more reliable condition removal than you, you are bound to be in trouble. Curtain combo is very fragile as it occurs every 90 seconds. Also there is no guarantee condition appliance will be stopped once you cleanse them. I feel that this is the build’s major weakness. Got any explantion? Please answer as soon as possible.

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Posted by: Arius.7031

Arius.7031

How do you deal with hammer warriors? In my experience, while this build is epic against most things, it’s still inferior to the hammer warrior. I just can’t break stuns that many times, and they are just so freakishly tough that it takes forever to kill them.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

How would you deal against other stealth hybrid builds? staying behind them is useless since they stealth so much, and if they happen to have more reliable condition removal than you, you are bound to be in trouble. Curtain combo is very fragile as it occurs every 90 seconds. Also there is no guarantee condition appliance will be stopped once you cleanse them. I feel that this is the build’s major weakness. Got any explantion? Please answer as soon as possible.

Show me a hybrid build that describes your text and I will explain how.

Awesome. I’ll go roaming again and listen to the advice you gave. Also how well do you think this spec does in group situations? So far it does quite well for me.

Hm, depends how big the group is. I guess for 5 man groups it can be good, but wouldn’t use it in 15+ raids. My raid build will be most likely better then.

How do you deal with hammer warriors? In my experience, while this build is epic against most things, it’s still inferior to the hammer warrior. I just can’t break stuns that many times, and they are just so freakishly tough that it takes forever to kill them.

CC warriors are a problem yes, but not because of their 100000 stuns. The thing that bothers me is their unbelievably passive survivability. They can tank you for minutes when played correctly and with the right spec, though you should either win every fight vs a cc war or have it a draw whereas you both can’t kill each other.

http://www.twitch.tv/doiidrg/c/3076526
In this video I show a 1v2 against:
Warrior+Mesmer
Warrior+Thief (1 fight loss, 1 win)
1 vs 1 against a mesmer

Maybe that can help you out how to fight against a warrior.

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Posted by: FinalPatriot.8034

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Ok Mesmer Master, what’s the trick with the swiftness? I’m totally lost with this one! I’ve changed my Mesmer over to your build and to be honest, it’s FREAKING AMAZING! I’ve won my first match in sPvP and came in second for most of the day yesterday. In WvW, the only thing I have trouble with are those darn Necro’s!

Anyways, can you PLEASE explain the swiftness part because that’s the one reason why I can’t stand my Mesmer for WvW – she’s too darn slow! Honestly, one of those bunnies ran past me yesterday!

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Posted by: FinalPatriot.8034

FinalPatriot.8034

Oh, and I tried to chat with you on twitch but the darn chat portion isn’t working…

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Posted by: sendmark.4731

sendmark.4731

Nice to see Doiid’s build getting the attention it deserves ^^ I’ve even be running a variant in spvp and it’s still very fun

When WvW roaming, I find if struggling then just go ranged or LoS with phantasms out, then wait for better opportunity. So many evades and good ranged damage.

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Posted by: dandamanno.4136

dandamanno.4136

Ok Mesmer Master, what’s the trick with the swiftness?

I’ll guess that he simply switches to mirror heal when not in combat. He has an extra 50% uptime on swiftness between his runes and his traitline choices. So that is 15 seconds of swiftness when he uses a heal skill.

Or switch to the mantra heal (although last time I checked using the heal twice immediately doesn’t stack) and it only has a 10 second cd.

So constant swiftness. People have been using the mantra heal and runes for a long time to stack swiftness. Not sure what’s with the secret.

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Posted by: Warlord of Chaos.7845

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I saw the trick on one of his streams and I do have to say that trick is really clever. I won’t spoil what it is though

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Posted by: DuckDuckBOOM.4097

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Is it use an eternal potion and then press 6 to heal back into normal form? That was a “feature” that they removed then put back into the game awhile ago. This can be spammed after the 10 sec icd and doesn’t waste your heal.

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Posted by: dandamanno.4136

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Is it use an eternal potion and then press 6 to heal back into normal form? That was a “feature” that they removed then put back into the game awhile ago. This can be spammed after the 10 sec icd and doesn’t waste your heal.

Yah after watching the stream you can see that is what is goin’ on. I can’t say for sure if this is intended or not, but it sure seems like an exploit to me. That is to say, I can’t see them programming in this functionality on purpose, but can definitely see it being accidentally overlooked.

Beware of using this.

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Posted by: maei.7295

maei.7295

thank you for sharing this build, i’m testing it with a slightly different equip, i’m having fun so far with it roaming in wvw.

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Posted by: takatsu.9416

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How do you deal with hammer warriors? In my experience, while this build is epic against most things, it’s still inferior to the hammer warrior. I just can’t break stuns that many times, and they are just so freakishly tough that it takes forever to kill them.

I run similar traits but gs/staff, which is a kiting monster, and warriors (any build) are the easiest class to deal with. I had a duel with a zerg busting commander warrior, those tanky CC ones with hammer etc, and he could never catch me or did i run out of stun breaks, I was always at range, always keeping my distance from him and with aegis, regen, -39% inc damage, CC hammer doesn’t pose a threat. Staff phase retreat, blink, decoy, and then the stealth here and there, running around. I am moving towards a stronger hybrid condi build that has a torch that brings extra stealth to the table. currently doing something that has worked for me personally, http://tiny.cc/prismage but going to a potential http://tiny.cc/prismage2 So yeah, I think a staff will give you that upperhand with stunbreaks and escape against something like hammer warriors or things with lots of CC if you need it

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Posted by: KazNaka.4718

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what about 45% bleed duration rune combo instead of centaur’s swiftness? you would be losing perma swiftness for higher dps

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Posted by: Dasboba.1652

Dasboba.1652

I gotta say that I love the concept of this build. I’ve been trying to find a way to make a PU build that utilizes GS+s/x. I’ve run a 20/20/30 power phantasm build, swapped traits and ran attempted shatter hybrid. I liked the builds but something was just off. After reading this post, and grabbing some rabid trinkets I think this is it. I had a lot of fun roaming on this over the weekend. I happened to run a variation 10/20/30/0/10, but the concept was the same. I have traveler runes atm and I wasn’t willing to give those up. So, I had to run my mix of zerker/knights armor. I plan to swap out the knights pieces for rabid equipped with traveler’s. With this spec and food, that will give me 60% condition duration, and 45% boon duration. My main weakness atm is condition removal since I’m not running removal on heal. I just happen to prefer the 9% damage increase and confusion on shatter. Either way, thanks for this post. It’s exactly the play style I’ve been looking for.

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Posted by: trooper.2650

trooper.2650

The build is nice but I wonder how good a single cond. removal like Mender’s purity is. Is it worth it? Ok, it also gives 100 vitality and retaliation to phantasms… but I think you may as well get rid of it and invest 10pts somewhere else: no condi removal and mender’s purity is the same to me.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

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The build is nice but I wonder how good a single cond. removal like Mender’s purity is. Is it worth it? Ok, it also gives 100 vitality and retaliation to phantasms… but I think you may as well get rid of it and invest 10pts somewhere else: no condi removal and mender’s purity is the same to me.

It has been the difference between life and death multiple times. Removing 15 stacks confusion, 5 sec long burning that causes 1k per tick or cripple/chill for 10-15 seconds long.

Besides, where would you put it? shorter cd on pistol? or maybe on gs cd? I’m almost sure, I would win a 1v1 against people who don’t pick that trait, just because they can’t remove the bleedings.

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Posted by: trooper.2650

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but removing a torment for example, and not being able to use a heal soon afterward because it’s on CD is kind of meh…

I understand what you are saying but considering how easy is to re-apply conditions that single removal is kind of negligible. Ok, go ahead and remove 10 stacks bleeding my iduelist applied to you… however, if not dodged it will be re-applied 4 seconds later.
True, all our tools, except traited torch won’t be able to cleans conditions on short intervals. Again, I think what that talent does is almost irrelevant in the economy of a fight.

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Posted by: Liete.5263

Liete.5263

I like your build and especially applaud you for using medium levels of condition damage. Been running a similiar build and with some might stacks you easliy see those 100 bleed ticks. Also: Condition duration is very nice especially on those cripple/immobilize skills.

The only thing I did different in traits was: pistol mastery in favor of clones on dodge. I like to keep my phantasms up as much as possible and I do not like deceptive evasion because they replace existing phantasms (if you have three). Additionally, if someone kills my phantasms, I can get those duelists up and running faster.

The utility skills are a little bit different for me, I’m using portal and null field for various reasons and they work great with the build.

Hope the build is still viable after today’s patch :-)

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Posted by: Xavi.6591

Xavi.6591

Is it use an eternal potion and then press 6 to heal back into normal form? That was a “feature” that they removed then put back into the game awhile ago. This can be spammed after the 10 sec icd and doesn’t waste your heal.

A Cold Potion?

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Posted by: LiquidSnake.2451

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sir can i use staff instead of GS? what do u think sir? will it lower the DPS so much? thanks

oh btw, thanks for sharing it really is the build that suits me most

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

sir can i use staff instead of GS? what do u think sir? will it lower the DPS so much? thanks

oh btw, thanks for sharing it really is the build that suits me most

Well, I can list up what you lose and gain:

Staff:
Better mobility
Better survivability
Nice ’’1tick’’ damage from iwarlock

Greatsword:
Better at chasing people
Higher dps and also more reliable damage. For example: izerk hits more often than iwarlock does
More reliable interrupt
Boon removal
Better against cond damage specs due the massive range
Might stacking

So ye, I would go for greatsword since I don’t really need more mobility/survivability.

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Posted by: ViRiD.2784

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I don’t see how this build is a better hybrid of stealth/condi/phantasm than a 20/20/30 with the clone death traits and the phantasm buff traits. The points in Inspiration seem like a real waste.

Also, the “trick” is to have an everlasting tonic and use the “leave costume” skill that’s bound to the same key as your heal, so that you can proc the swiftness every cooldown.

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Posted by: LiquidSnake.2451

LiquidSnake.2451

sir can i use staff instead of GS? what do u think sir? will it lower the DPS so much? thanks

oh btw, thanks for sharing it really is the build that suits me most

Well, I can list up what you lose and gain:

Staff:
Better mobility
Better survivability
Nice ’’1tick’’ damage from iwarlock

Greatsword:
Better at chasing people
Higher dps and also more reliable damage. For example: izerk hits more often than iwarlock does
More reliable interrupt
Boon removal
Better against cond damage specs due the massive range
Might stacking

So ye, I would go for greatsword since I don’t really need more mobility/survivability.

thanks so much for your reply sir., with that said i wil go on and make my ascended GS thanks!!!!

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Posted by: Andrea.4251

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EDIT: After further research I realized that the boots also are available in the Mists, I apologize.
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Hello Folks,
I’m quite new to this game and I just reached 80 but I leveled using this build, playing a bit in the Mists too. Now I’m trying to get the suggested equip, starting with my exotic armor pieces, yet I’m not able to find the boots… Are they only available with dungeons tokens?
Thanks in advance!

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Posted by: Pizzel.8470

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So ive been looking for an affordable build switch from shatter and this looked good on paper.

I did a couple different gear choices. Also i really wanted to include torch with prestige and more condi removal so i took torch trait.

I have almost same stats. Little less condi damage but more tough and power.

In 3 hours i did very well and had a blast. Thanks for posting this.

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Posted by: cyyrix.6105

cyyrix.6105

After watching Doiid stream a bit, I experimented with a close variant of this build (taking IV & V or V & VIII in the chaos line). It’s a lot of fun. Solo is viable, but this build really shines with 3-5 man groups.

If you don’t want to exploit the tonic bug, just go for traveler runes.

Also, I’m never a fan of Superior Sigil of Force given that it doesn’t impact clones/phantasms. A battle sigil on the GS seems like a good alternative.

All in all, hybrid builds usually feel lackluster, but this one works. Learn to play this build now, because builds like this will become more and more potent if we do see condi balancing.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

Oh ye about that sigil, that’s just me being lazy to buy another sigil

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Posted by: Emissary.3792

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Anyone tried out the new torment sigils with this build? They seem pretty OP from the description. Not sure if they suit this better or blackwater, I would actually guess this one since GS = more likely to proc than slow hitting staff/scepter.

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Posted by: cyyrix.6105

cyyrix.6105

Anyone tried out the new torment sigils with this build? They seem pretty OP from the description. Not sure if they suit this better or blackwater, I would actually guess this one since GS = more likely to proc than slow hitting staff/scepter.

Easier to proc, yes, but generally with hybrid builds you want to stick to things that augment both the power and condition aspects of the build. That is why doiid uses a perception sigil over bloodlust or corruption, and why I recommend battle on the GS. Of course defensive sigils like energy play well, too.

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Posted by: Andrea.4251

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I’ve managed to play this build for a few days and I have a lot of problems when I have a fight with D/P Thief, the current most played build with condition removal on stealth and hard hitting Backstab. Do you guys have any hints besides running away?
Thanks in advance!

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

I’ve managed to play this build for a few days and I have a lot of problems when I have a fight with D/P Thief, the current most played build with condition removal on stealth and hard hitting Backstab. Do you guys have any hints besides running away?
Thanks in advance!

Hey andrea!

D/p thieves can be a pain yes! The way they work is stealthing with the blind field. To gain the stealth the thief needs to do a leap in the blind field he drops.

Try to dodge/evade his backstabs with blurred frenzie and to outrun/outblink his stealth duration. Spawn at least 2 phantasm during this time.

Save your stun and #5 GS so you can interrupt his leap in the blind field. Without stealth he’s pretty much nothing. Try to interrupt him 2 times or knock him out the field and immobilize him. Then get max dps on him. That should finish him off.

Hope this helps (:

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Posted by: kubetz.3058

kubetz.3058

I’ve managed to play this build for a few days and I have a lot of problems when I have a fight with D/P Thief, the current most played build with condition removal on stealth and hard hitting Backstab. Do you guys have any hints besides running away?
Thanks in advance!

Just some minor notes. I have played thief more than a mesmer, so I will spare you of my mesmer know-how.

D/P got nerfed by nerfing the condition removal on stealth and will get nerfed some more by not returning initiative for each stealth application, so fighting it will get bit easier.

Interrupting their 1/2s cast Black Powder or 3/4s cast Hearthseeker is a big blow for them as you deny them their spike and they lost of lot of initiative.

Also if they are going for multiple leaps inside their Black Powder for extra stealth then try to position yourself in their way after their 1st leap. If they hit you they will get revealed and cannot Backstab you or easily run away. Of course don’t do that when low on health.

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Posted by: Andrea.4251

Andrea.4251

Thank you very much for your answers, now I have to test them on the field

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Posted by: Kirec.2394

Kirec.2394

Thanks for this, BlackDevil! After an unfortunately necessary hiatus from GW2, I came back looking for something that wouldn’t be a complete re-gear from shatter. I wanted to share my experience and slight changes I made in the hope of providing tweak options for those interested.

For anyone debating whether the condition damage is really worth it over the additional power, as I was…it absolutely is. With the condi duration food (veggie pizza or koi cakes), you WILL hit 20 bleed stacks regularly. This is incredible pressure, and at ~500 unbuffed condi damage, you’ll be ticking for 50-60% more than base bleed damage. Add might stacks (from sigils, Bountiful Interruption, and GS), and your opponent MUST answer, or die. Watching 4 figures tick every second is delightful

My changes -

Runes: Traveler. Yeah I know, not really a cheap option, but they fit this build absolutely perfectly. The set is perfectly synergistic – more crit, and the boon and condition duration are fantastic (particularly the boon duration!). I’m also not keen on doing the potion trick, so the speed boost is reason #1 I went with them.

Sigils: Battle on both main and off sets, plus accuracy or perception. Might uptime is excellent with 45% boon duration – not to mention all the protection available with the stealth skills.

Traits: I really dig Debilitating Dissipation with Deceptive Evasion, and feel I have enough escapes that the 20% blink CD isn’t necessary. Not to say I won’t run into a situation where it would save me, but I haven’t needed it so far.

10 more into Dueling currently is very appealing for this setup due to the confusion on clone death and long CD of the phantasms. Grabbing Duelist’s Discipline in addition to what is already in place is very tempting to keep your heavy hitter out on the field (and your stun locked, loaded, and longer range). However…Mender’s Purity is currently slated for a buff to remove TWO conditions. Heavy condi really is the best counter to this build (assuming the opponent can find you before they hit panic mode), so anything helps, but I would say this trait is currently debatable. If the change goes through, hands down for the 10 in Inspiration.

That’s it, nothing major – this build is powerful and fun, and there are some great trait swaps available to taste. Thanks again to BlackDevil – hope to see some more youtube uploads from you in the future!

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Posted by: kubetz.3058

kubetz.3058

I am watching BlackDevil’s stream pretty often and you should really check it out. He is winning 1v3+ all the time like it was absolutely normal and that makes me feel really incompetent :/.

http://www.twitch.tv/doiidrg/profile/pastBroadcasts

@Kirec: I am in love with Traveler runes and I am saving money for my 3rd set to put it on a condi gear. I don’t care about legendaries, I just want moar Traveler runes.

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Posted by: Redscope.6215

Redscope.6215

Traits:
Don’t think theres much to explain on this part besides a few things:
1. Your dps is really high due: domination III, dueling II+X and 15 minor trait dueling and 25 minor trait chaos.
2. Your survivability gets boosted a lot with PU (Grandmaster trait chaos), Chaos III, Dueling X and Inspiration IV.

Why is dueling X good for offensive, aswell as defensive?
Offensive: Basicly because clones do crits which apply bleeding. This can add up, like i said before, with 3 greatsword clones to 10 stacks easily.
Defensive: Since you’ll have constant vigor you’ll be able to dodge a lot, which gives you an upkeep of 3 illusions constantly. This makes it harder for the enemy to spot who’s the real player and also gives you the ability to easily gain the full F4 shatter to stomp enemies or tank enemies till one of your stealths is back up so you can escape much easier.

Its really about time to nerf this. Deceptive Evasion + Critical Infusion + Sharper Images = OP clones and perma-vigor. No PvP build is without 20 in Dueling for that exact reason.

End of discussion.

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Posted by: Redscope.6215

Redscope.6215

Sorry guys, I didn’t really mean you should stop talking.

Go ahead, talk this build up. Hopefully it will open some eyes at the studio in Seattle!

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

BlackDevil.9268

Nerf that and we’re the 2nd elementalists/rangers. Might take a look a the necro and warrior forum, much more to QQ there (:

Ahwell, just a small ’’hint’’ for those who do care, watch the picture (;

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