Guild Wars 2

First hexxen, I never actually downright said other PU builds were bad, I just gave my opinion on the ones out there, I do not think there is a rule not to do that. If I literally went and said they suck, then you can criticise me all you want. Second of all, when I said Extra healing when activating that is exactly what I meant. I didn’t mean activating as using the 2 healings provided, I meant activation as actually clicking the skill and let it take the 2 seconds to get prepared. I know my stuff Hexxen.

Edit: Plz don’t go ahead and type these types of posts from now on because it is really making me feel bad about something I am currently not doing right now. It is starting to get really frustrating having to answer to you.

2nd Edit: If you are seeing this post, I am talking to the majority of the Mesmer forums. If you are not here to take a look at this build and give feedbacks, i suggest you stop coming here and give unnecessary bad opinions about every ity bity little thing that you find wrong in this thread. This is my favor to ask of you guyz.

Okay here is my feed back on your “New” and improved PU build. You seem to be missing the point on a Prismatic understanding build. The point is to generally maximize your defensive boons as much as possible. This is generally the only reason that people go into inspiration on a PU build is to get the reduced CD on veil if they are taking it or menders purity and restorative mantras. However this are very defensive builds that usually give fick all about their damage.
Secondly you dropped all defensive runes to go for more condi damage which good for you here is a cookie.
However I do suggest that you just ignore inspiration since you only seem to care slightly about defense (as evidenced by your rune choices etc.) and your extreme lack of healing power. And you put those points into illusions that way you have master of misdirection (for when you may shatter) and illusionary elasticity. This is a huge deal in a condition heavy build.
TL:DR Your new and improved build is not really by definition a PU build since those builds focus completely on the defensive boons and you have 2 stealth skills which will not maximize your defensive boon up-time plus the lack of runes to do such

Jportell, my healing comes from the mantras mainly, the Regen is sustained healing use only. And not many PU condition builds need to have a perma Protection. I just realized that today. You feel taht I am making a big mistake on my part, but look at all other PU builds out there, they don’t even have extra boon duration runes. I don’t get why you pointing your finger at me on this. Also, you act like having 2 stealths is some kind of crime. It only means I can maximize those 2 stealths with the PU trait and have other good Utility skills in place for the missing stealth skills. I don’t know why these dayz people try to go with what everyone else is doin. If something is unique and it works, go with that too! in this situation, the Aegis, Regen, and Protection from my staff gladly makes up for me missing One Extra Stealth Skill

Edit: I am gonna reedit the build so you can have one extra stealth skill. Hope it appeals to alot of you now.

Your protection from staff depends on YOU getting hit. And please tell me more about how mantras are sooo viable in PvP. Even with a full healing power build restorative mantra’s are not that great (they heal amazingly well!) However their ridiculous cast times make them so extremely easy to interrupt that you are lucky to get them off in a 1v1.
Other PU builds don’t make the claim to be “amazingly” defensive either. You may feel that your build as amazing and wins all your team fights in PvP however I know that a PU build isn’t that great in PvP mainly because stealth skills decap a point so any time you use mass invis or decoy you start losing the point. Your regen isn’t that great it doesn’t even give you decent regen over time. Hence why I suggested you should just go into illusions to actually get some Ups on your damage.

Like I said, you want extra stealth skill, you got it. IN a bit I will change the build to make it have that extra skill.

Edit: Reason I went condition runes. Perplexity runes are very op. I would much rather have the Perplexity then some boon duration thing.

Please stop bumping this thread folks. Just let it die quietly, and report any of menace’s posts that he makes when he bumps it.

Please

Pyro, I am just trying to make viable builds for the people here. Who are you to say that they should just stop commenting on this thread? I don’t get how you can say that people should just report me. I am only typing because to reply your comments, and to let you guyz know I have updated some builds. If you don’t stop acting the way you are right now, which is very ridiculous, I shall report you on the comment that you posted just above me and many others that you have said in the past. I haven’t yet because I am giving you another chance. I am working hard to devise a perfected version 3.0 of this build. I really hope you stop acting like some kind of creator of the Mesmer forum, cause you really are not, and start a new and be more friendly towards me. That’s all I ask.

EDit: This is to Jportell. The main purpose of stealth is to be able to heal safely and to throw your oponnent off on your position. If the PU trait comes with some extra protection buff, then great, that is a plus, but it doesn’t suddenly make that a must. So what I am saying is, a PU build always doesn’t need to have 4-5 stealth options just so you can abuse the stealth mechanism. If you can manage it well, having 2 stealth will be of same importance of having 4 stealths. This is just my opinion now Jportell, hope you realize this. The latest comments you made to me I felt a tinge of sarcasm comin my way. Hope you put an end to it.

Hey Menace, I know we spoke a bit in-game this weekend and I’m sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. I didn’t see any of the earlier versions of the build, so I’m just gonna comment on the one you have posted at this time.

… For what it does, that’s actually a really interesting trait setup. Your condition damage increases with each interrupt as you stack might/lockdown with dazes. Your clones do ungodly amount of conditions on clone-death and your stealths should grant a very nice amount of protection (along with the toughness Rabid gives).

Everything seems to come together pretty nicely, except one thing: Furious Interruption. For a build like this, what’s the point of it? Your condition damage comes from a counter(torment), Scepter Ray & iDuelist (Confusion/Bleed) and sword clones (bleed), and your kamikaze clones exploding all over the place (Cripple/Confusion/ Weakness or 3xVuln or3xBleed). Its a more a sustained condition pressure that doesn’t make much use of a quick a sudden burst the way a heavy shatter build would, so you don’t really need it much beyond nailing a quick confuse ray. (If you were wielding a Staff on the other hand… you probably still find a better trait.)

Instead, trait your pistol (Dueling IX) so not only can you stun more often, but your duelist phantasm can stack confusion reliably from your Null Field.

The only thing I’m not sure about is how it’d fair in a group fight. Your only AoE conditions are F2, Prestige, and clone deaths.

Btw, when you’re making a build its kind of good etiquette to give some kind of props/mention of anyone else’s build that may have inspired parts of yours; also gives anyone reading your thread more options in their build search.

And please, PLEASE for the love of god stop self-bumping so frequently dude. It actually makes people want to look less at your build. Give yourself like 3 to 4 weeks to feel out the build and learn the exact numbers of your damage/boons/ect. before bursting out with a NewSuperMegaHyperUltraSuperSonic version.

Keeps it more interesting that way.

Chaos. I have updated the trait problem you have given unto me. It is much better now. This build with the null field, has both defensive and offensive capabilities. Now it does around 1000k confusion rather often. I thank you Chaos!

Okay, just curious as too how you propose to take down an engi that’s traited so when he reaches 25% health he becomes immune to condi’s? Even if the engi had elixir c.
What do you do then?

This build has massive critical chance. It means 75-80% crit chance for my phantasms. Also, the might stacks frquently reach 11 stacks. It makes my attack go up to 2400. Add to the massive crit chance and crit damage, I can do around 1600-2000 blurred frenzy instead of the usuall 1K. I think this is a game changer since the opponent would be at low health also. Plus my null field gets rid of his/her boons too. making it harder for him/her to keep stayin alive.

Could a OMFG tester come and try my build out? I want to put this build into the build of the month contest but haven’t found anyone willing to try this build out. I have chatted with some guild mates and they gave me some good suggestions. Like gettin rid of the daze mantra for condition cleanse mantra. If I were to change the daze mantra, I would rather put blink. It would still be able to stack up to 9 mights very frequently by only using weapon swap. If I interrupt an enemy, I would be able to have up to 14 stacks of might. I need all the testers that are willing to test this build out. Much would be Greatly appreciated.

Should I go with perplexity runes??

Alright, I haven’t found that much helpers as of lately, so I chose to update some things by myself. It is turning into a BEAST build. I am really in love with this build as of now. I am planning to put this version of the Hidden Plague into the Build of the Month contest. Also updated the guide for more info on this build.

Edit: PLz PLz comment or critique this build as best you can. I need all the help to put this build into the BotM contest.

Why go for halting strike when you’re full rabid gear?

@Menace, there is 0 condition removal and I’m taking into account the fact you have the generosity sigils. They will be commonly nullified by your sigil of battle procs on swap, or your battle sigils won’t proc due to generosity. Either way it’s highly unreliable. Remember each sigil has about a 9-10 second cooldown. If you want to use the generosity sigils, it’s best to put a permanent stat on the OH weapon.

Also, I recommend putting duelist’s discipline back in. You’ll get a lot more mileage from that than retaliatory shield, especially in this condition build with a heavy interrupt aspect to it.

EDIT: I’m going to be honest, as I typed that response I was shaking my head because I really want to help you but you make it very difficult. Remember what I said in this post from that thread that got removed (hopefully it doesn’t happen again but looks like we’re headed that way):
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Need-Feedbacks-on-Build-for-Contest/first#post2791257

You did the “ultimate” thing again and thrown humility out the window. I’m not sure why you aren’t getting the picture but if you ever, ever want to be taken seriously on this forum that has to change.

this must end some time…

Stop renaming your builds. It is getting annoying.

“Mesmer Salvation”
“It is turning into a BEAST build.”

LOL…. the hyperbole never ends with you, does it?

And you wonder why you haven’t had a lot of helpers lately?

And halting strike when you’re condition spec.. wtf?

Marsares.2053:

“Mesmer Salvation”
“It is turning into a BEAST build.”

LOL…. the hyperbole never ends with you, does it?

And you wonder why you haven’t had a lot of helpers lately?

And halting strike when you’re condition spec.. wtf?

You forgot: it’s the Ultimate Mesmer Salvation build.

I saw this name change, and I just doublefacepalmed and started laughing.

Now guys the name goes along with it very well.

Ultimate Hidden: The good points of this build are all hidden from everyone but Menace.
Ultimate Plague: I think we can all agree this is a plague on the forums.
Ultimate Mesmer: This only combo that doesn’t make sense.
Ultimate Salvation: It will never die cause he can never accept that he doesn’t know what he is doing and will just keep giving changing it to totally new builds but using the relatively same name.

Ok. I said Ultimate HIdden plague build. Not Ultimate Mesmer build. I shall erase the Salvation part. lol. Reason I changed name. Because this build is the near final version that I shall put into the BotM contest. Just thought it would be best if I changed the thread name to match the build’s current status. and also, the reason I have halting strike. i can do 14 stacks of might. which gives me 2600 attack. which in turn gives me around 1k damage. I know it’s not believable, but it is true. Also, sorry I added generostiy sigils. just got very sidetracked during all the improvising process. Thank you for making me realize that. To Hexxen. I can only say lol.

Edit: Wait a minute, weapon swap and on crit sigils are two different things
do they still effect each other?

NVM. you are right

Okay so you have updated your build…. for the o98390483 time.
You now have condi cleanse…. Sweet.
You are running PU and have 3/4 mesmer stealth skills… Also sweet…
You are running bountiful interruption….have some interrupts. Cool
All clone on death traits… sweet… but limited clone production…. You are only benefiting from phantasmal fury with the duelist and that is to stack bleeds….
My advice is stop trying to do 2-3 things with one build…. I have said it before as have others….
Mesmers are great when we specialize into one specific thing… not so much when we try going all over the place.
Might I suggest. If you really want to run an interrupt build then drop PU and the torch and go scepter sword (shortest CD interrupt we have is sword 4) or pick up the staff and get chaotic dampening.
If you go scepter sword take chaotic interruption as well. Then you can make full (almost) use of your interrupts…

Personally I find interrupt builds to be very inconsistent especially on classes with garbage animations (rangers, engis, thieves, necros). If you are really hell bent on keeping PU then take the 10 out of dueling and put it into domination to get the torch cleansing conditions. Necros will now no longer be a hard counter to your build as you will have a mantra cleanse and two in a weapon with a reduced CD.

Lastly for the love of god stop changing the name of your build to “omg so awesomeest mesmer build that haz every been made guyz plz love it so i feel good about my short comings!” you seriously sound likie billie mays but less cool and no manly beard. The name is meaningless it’s just how people identify a build to strangers if they ask about it. Usually if someone asks what build you are running and its yours you just say “my” build. Not the omfg bestest build ever that is super amazing and you must love it.

jportell.2197:

you seriously sound likie billie mays but less cool and no manly beard.

This is absolutely perfect. A wonderful description.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Marsares.2053:

“Mesmer Salvation”
“It is turning into a BEAST build.”

LOL…. the hyperbole never ends with you, does it?

And you wonder why you haven’t had a lot of helpers lately?

And halting strike when you’re condition spec.. wtf?

You forgot: it’s the Ultimate Hidden Beast Mesmer Plague Salvation Build.

I saw this name change, and I just doublefacepalmed and started laughing.

Fixed that for you <3

Pyroatheist.9031:

jportell.2197:

you seriously sound likie billie mays but less cool and no manly beard.

This is absolutely perfect. A wonderful description.

LOL I said willie I was thinking Billie Mays but said Willie Mays Hayes prolly because I watched “Major League” so much as a kid. If you don’t know that movie kids watch it

Plz for the love of god stop re-naming your posts dude, we get that your build is there but people will just stop looking at it all together at this rate, it gets boring after a while.

Sorry for changing the build’s name so kitten often. Thought that it would be best if the thread’s name reflected the current state of the build, which is called Ultimate beacuse I am trying to put this build into the BoTM contest and I can’t have anything less than the best I can do in my ability to successfully finalize this build. Also to Jportell. Maybe you are right. I shall look into your ideas more thoroughly.

I’ll just tell you in advance that if you submit a build to the build of the month I’m downvoting it.

Lol. I can’t argue with your votes. I am just trying to create a viable build here. I couldn’t care less about the BotM or its prizes. I just want to create a build for everyone to be able to Enjoy tremendously. I just hope I can accomplish that is all.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Sorry for changing the build’s name so kitten often. Thought that it would be best if the thread’s name reflected the current state of the build, which is called Ultimate beacuse I am trying to put this build into the BoTM contest and I can’t have anything less than the best I can do in my ability to successfully finalize this build. Also to Jportell. Maybe you are right. I shall look into your ideas more thoroughly.

Calling a build ultimate doesnt make it good.

Yes. I understand. I should have known better since how much I have been told about taht. lol. thank you pyros always for trying to help me out a bit. Will change it One More Time.

ok mate (sigh)

- for the love of good if you wanna make a build. test it. test it for a reasonable amount of time (a week or even more). Duell every class in the game (no upleveled opponents dont count). Learn about it’s up and downsides and when it is well polished make a thread. Finalize the build and only then post it on the forums not the other way round.

- Give it a reasonable name that reflects the playstyle (shatter, phantasm, stealth whatever). No one cares about the name of the build if it is good. The other way around things get ugly. The name won’t better your chances to win anything though you win in beeing ultimatively annoying.

- If you ask people to test your build and no one answers (guess why), don’t bump your thread. Go find duells do the dirty work yourself. Maybe record a video and show us how well it does in game.

I promise you if you keep on with that behaviour (and i do not care how often you apologize and state that everything is just a big misunderstanding). You will get trolled/ignored hard!

I understand. I am sorry for changing the thread so much. Again, I just thought that this build deserved a thread name that kept progress of its current state. Sorry. Maybe I should just put PU condition build in the thread. But I feel like then I am over changing the thread name too much. I am gonna wait a few more days and then change the thread name to include PU condition. Thank you for your concern! I appreciate it a bunch!!!!.

I can’t believe i am answering again. Honestly i had a look at your new build it is… absurd.
You put 10 points into inspiration just to reduce veil to 72s. Why??? This trait only makes sense in a glamour heavy build. You could use traited torch and drop the pistol (or go sc/t sw/p). You would gain stealth on a 24s cd as well as condicleanse. But wait that would be natsu’s built…

Bunch of blocks? You have one block on scepter and sometimes aegis from chaosstorm. Guess what necros can trait for unblockable marks. Mirror? (Necros Scepter skills don’t count as projectiles). And even against other condi heavy classes that build will simply will not do it.

I am sorry but i don’t think that you tested that build for more than 5 minutes just just let it be.

One. Try doing one vs many without veil cooldown trait. It gets really kitten hard.

Two. In my personal opinion, I think mirror saves you a bunch from Full DPS range classes. you know how you were fighting a guy, and then you kill him, and you see a ranger jump on you from nowhere, and you have like 4k health? This mirror is a life saver in those situations, and those situations are so common when doing 1 vs 2 and more.

Rangers, or classes with range weapons are so common now. lol

tryin to tell me 72<24? get lost.
range class? stealth, gap closer? hello blink.

to put it shortly your build offers no advantage to p.e. natsus blackwater build or the altered version by osciat. both have more access to stealth and better condition cleanse. you just took 10 points out of these builds and invested them in inspirations which is useless . wouldn’t even waste 3 silver to test it.

how often do you encounter full range classes? berserker lb rangers drop like flies when you are close. or you talking about rifle warriors? haven’t seen one in ages. Staff eles? tell me (speaking of wvwvw)

Lol I hate when I have to argue with one person. dude, I really don’t care for torches in this setup. I know it sounds absurd, but pistol does more things for me in this build than other weapons would do for me. Just my opinion. if you really kitten hate this build, it’s because you haven’t tried this version out. I have already asked Keenlam to submit this build, so I won’t be changing it for now. Plz try it out. Again, once some great Mesmers told me, no build is perfect!! That means you can always point out the bad things in a build. A build only goes so much, then after that, you have to rely upon your skills. Have a good time in the forums!.

EDit: This build destroys all other classes completely around 90% of the time. Against thieves or Mesmers, it has a tougher time, but that is a known thing, because both of those classes are OP.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

… Again, once some great Mesmers told me, no build is perfect!! …

…EDit: This build destroys all other classes completely around 90% of the time…..

get it

Gozzo.7380:

to put it shortly your build offers no advantage to p.e. natsus blackwater build or the altered version by osciat. both have more access to stealth and better condition cleanse. you just took 10 points out of these builds and invested them in inspirations which is useless . wouldn’t even waste 3 silver to test it.

Word.

And CD on veil? Seriously… I pretty much only solo roam in WWW lakes and only when I’m in an outnumbered lake and I haven’t used veil in as long as I can remember, yet I’m constantly outnumbered with enemies left, right and centre. It’s all about positioning.

I know, the veil thing looks decieving as kitten, but you have to try. For this trait set up, I see the pistol being more useful than the torch, and the veil allows me to be much safer and be still devastating as heck. It allows me to be able to turn around my postition really well without being detected for a long time.

Without the veil cd trait, you will 100% feel that you are being seen out in the open for too long for your enemies to find and attack you, go and try it out!

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Without the veil cd trait, you will 100% feel that you are being seen out in the open for too long for your enemies to find and attack you, go and try it out!

Rather than expecting people to test your build whilst over and over the flaws were highlighted, why don’t you go out in the lakes and test it for once yourself whilst making a video of it. I’d like to see you fight a good Necro with your build, or any condition class for that matter. Such a video will show three things:

- That indeed you can destroy 90% of players
- That it’s a viable build
- That you’re the salvation of the mesmer community

Until such a moment, I’ll spend my time testing some of the viable builds, thank you very much.

Lol. I have already done testing. I already tested this version of the build way back, I just wasn’t using good weapon sets. Jportell told me what I should use. I wish I knew how to make a video. I have never once made a gaming video let alone a youtube video. I know. I am a noob in those areas. I just hope that Other people get to try it out.

You don’t test your builds out. That’s an outright lie.

I test them out bro. i hope that you will soon understand. I actually test all my builds out thank you very much! lol. For this build, the best I have been Actually been able to do was 1 vs 3. I think I got somewhat lucky. I am glad I survived that fight though!

Killing the three golems in the mists by yourself doesn’t count as 1 v 3.

colesy.8490:

Killing the three golems in the mists by yourself doesn’t count as 1 v 3.

Comment of the year, right here.

the frequency by which you come up with new twisted versions of your build shows that it is impossible to test them for a reasonable amount of time.

therefore i hereby name your build and all it’s iterations to come: The Menace: plague of the forums, lingering curse of the reasonable mind, grim contester of patience.

Guyz, I have actually done 1 vs 3 with properly geared people. Chill for god’s sake. Lol. This don’t seem to end does it?

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Guyz, I have actually done 1 vs 3 with properly geared people. Chill for god’s sake. Lol. This don’t seem to end does it?

I didn’t know GW2 had an inspect function that let you determine if someone was properly geared or not.

The more you know.

I don’t see why an upleveled level 80 players would play WvW and PvP without fully geared. Then the people I fought must be Gods then. Lol.