Gandara
Mesmer is not as fun anymore.
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
Completely disagree. All classes are doing huge amounts of damage right now, why shouldn’t Mesmer be a part of this madness? This is the most build diversity the class has had in such a long time. Let’s not ruin this please.
Also, think Mesmer is too easy now? You should try one of the other 7 classes that were also a part of the overall power creep.
I have with the exception of Ranger and Necro. Mesmer is the easiest by FAAAAAAAR atm.
And to reiterate a point on the “diversity.”
“I don’t think you guys realise that the only reason there is build diversity right now is because no ‘Meta’ has settled, no optimums have been found and a lot of people are so in flux that running anything is viable as long as you play okay.
Wait a bit, soon enough, everyone will polarize to the most optimum builds, people will learn to play them, render your personal build (if not a variant of the meta) obsolete when played at an equal skill level and you will moan the meta is horribly stale again.
In fact, many theory crafters+deeply invested PvPers are at work right now doing just that.”
MORE BEARDS OR RIOT
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
MORE BEARDS OR RIOT
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
Yes please do walk away, hopefully you will jump in game and see what this new patch has to offer all the classes and come back with knowledge of the game but I Imagine you will just whine about how mesmer needs nerfs on the pvp boards instead.
If you think Anet nerf things because they see our posts, then you’re naive lol.
They check the in-game matches and statistic, then they decide. Arguing here is pointless lol. Enjoy your OP stuffs while it lasts. Anet already said it’s better to start strong and nerf it later instead of starting weak. They’re intentionally making it strong at first, so seriously no reason to QQ about it when they nerf it because that’s their original goal anyway.
Btw, I find it funny the heavily biased and blinded crowds in the forum keep on insulting people for being a “troll of other classes who try to destroy their lala-land”. Guess what, people in Warrior, Thief, Ele, all said the exact same thing like you guys did lol.. The favorism and blindness is strong, and I’m glad Anet doesn’t listen to any of them.
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But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
Yes please do walk away, hopefully you will jump in game and see what this new patch has to offer all the classes and come back with knowledge of the game but I Imagine you will just whine about how mesmer needs nerfs on the pvp boards instead.
I have been online today and all day yesterday. I honestly think you’re taking this too personally, if they find mesmer broken they will nerf it regardless of what you or I say, I don’t see why you’re fighting me like I am the guy in charge of balance decisions on Anet.
Mesmer’s damage will be nerfed, mark my words, more so than other classes I’d imagine.
Power creep isn’t good for the game. I am done, honestly you’re just going to give me another bitter reply after I have tried being reasonable and make baseless assumptions again. Maybe you should stop being so defensive and think outside the bubble that is your knee-jerk self preservation reflex.
That is all the advice I can afford you. Enjoy GTA 5.
MORE BEARDS OR RIOT
We ask for buffs and we finally get them. Then we complain about the buffs lol..
QFT
Besides, we already know how Anet caves in hard (why is Anet censoring the word “hard”?) on mesmer nerfcries. And at the end of the day we’re gonna be nerfed to kitten once again, and we’ll be asking for buffs….again.
Vicious cycle.
GW2 has taught me that being a Mesmer is about..
..being a cynical forecaster.
..being a doom-monger….and being a hopeless jinxer.
..being a cynical forecaster.
..being a doom-monger….and being a hopeless jinxer.
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
Yes please do walk away, hopefully you will jump in game and see what this new patch has to offer all the classes and come back with knowledge of the game but I Imagine you will just whine about how mesmer needs nerfs on the pvp boards instead.
I have been online today and all day yesterday. I honestly think you’re taking this too personally, if they find mesmer broken they will nerf it regardless of what you or I say, I don’t see why you’re fighting me like I am the guy in charge of balance decisions on Anet.
Mesmer’s damage will be nerfed, mark my words, more so than other classes I’d imagine.
Power creep isn’t good for the game. I am done, honestly you’re just going to give me another bitter reply after I have tried being reasonable and make baseless assumptions again. Maybe you should stop being so defensive and think outside the bubble that is your knee-jerk self preservation reflex.
That is all the advice I can afford you. Enjoy GTA 5.
If you were being reasonable you would give me actual proof that Mesmer is stronger then other classes other then ‘my headmates told me’, you wouldn’t be denying that every other class has got some ridiculous buffs and you would be asking that all classes get toned down to stop this power creep.
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
Yes please do walk away, hopefully you will jump in game and see what this new patch has to offer all the classes and come back with knowledge of the game but I Imagine you will just whine about how mesmer needs nerfs on the pvp boards instead.
I have been online today and all day yesterday. I honestly think you’re taking this too personally, if they find mesmer broken they will nerf it regardless of what you or I say, I don’t see why you’re fighting me like I am the guy in charge of balance decisions on Anet.
Mesmer’s damage will be nerfed, mark my words, more so than other classes I’d imagine.
Power creep isn’t good for the game. I am done, honestly you’re just going to give me another bitter reply after I have tried being reasonable and make baseless assumptions again. Maybe you should stop being so defensive and think outside the bubble that is your knee-jerk self preservation reflex.
That is all the advice I can afford you. Enjoy GTA 5.
If you were being reasonable you would give me actual proof that Mesmer is stronger then other classes other then ‘my headmates told me’, you wouldn’t be denying that every other class has got some ridiculous buffs and you would be asking that all classes get toned down to stop this power creep.
Levetty.1279, nvm Pistolwhip. Cuz your right about him. He is kitten cuz he cant get his free luch no more. Or at least gonna have to do like others. Work for it. Among other trolling thieves we endured during all this time.
Wow this thread.
I am definetly supporting pyro’s opinion by 100%.
Now that we got on a level with other professions (where even a newbe can actually get somebody downed) many of you are hating around. Why aren’t you just happy that we finally got on an equal level to all the other professions out there which are played by many ppl.
Don’t you think it’s unfair? You don’t want players who are not as good as you are playing the profession you like. This is extremly egoistic.
If you want to be special then try to be special by being better, not by being one of a few.
PS: I don’t understand why ppl are complaining. There are thieves in WvW who deal >15k backstabs. When the first hint of the enemy being there is dropping down to 10% hp after one single hit which also stunnes you then please do not complain about cptn obvious mirror blade attacks.
PPS: PU is a different story and need’s a nerf yes. I already said this before the patch.
PPPS: Lockdown is not interrupt. Interrupts require skillful timing and knowledge. It’s nothing the mainstreamers will be able to do effectively.
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But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
Yes please do walk away, hopefully you will jump in game and see what this new patch has to offer all the classes and come back with knowledge of the game but I Imagine you will just whine about how mesmer needs nerfs on the pvp boards instead.
I have been online today and all day yesterday. I honestly think you’re taking this too personally, if they find mesmer broken they will nerf it regardless of what you or I say, I don’t see why you’re fighting me like I am the guy in charge of balance decisions on Anet.
Mesmer’s damage will be nerfed, mark my words, more so than other classes I’d imagine.
Power creep isn’t good for the game. I am done, honestly you’re just going to give me another bitter reply after I have tried being reasonable and make baseless assumptions again. Maybe you should stop being so defensive and think outside the bubble that is your knee-jerk self preservation reflex.
That is all the advice I can afford you. Enjoy GTA 5.
If you were being reasonable you would give me actual proof that Mesmer is stronger then other classes other then ‘my headmates told me’, you wouldn’t be denying that every other class has got some ridiculous buffs and you would be asking that all classes get toned down to stop this power creep.
Levetty.1279, nvm Pistolwhip. Cuz your right about him. He is kitten cuz he cant get his free luch no more. Or at least gonna have to do like others. Work for it. Among other trolling thieves we endured during all this time.
For the last time, I don’t play thief. I don’t understand how illiterate people gain access to these forums lol.
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PPPS: Lockdown is not interrupt. Interrupts require skillful timing and knowledge. It’s nothing the mainstreamers will be able to do effectively.
Which is funny, because Confounding suggestions doesn’t need an interrupt. You only need to push 1 button and watch someone being helpless while you burst them to death. And you can do this about every 10s while being stealthed in between.
Granted, i’m only a WvW roamer, but the only builds i had problems with so far are other mesmers (condi, mostly) and LB rangers.
[BNF] Mesmer, called GS abuser by Nubu
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Mesmer burst was always strong it’s just now Mesmer has the ability to take some defence like blind on shatter, inspiration line, PU, high protection uptime and other things to help survive.
I wouldn’t like to see the defence go away as hunting down a Mesmer that didn’t have excessive stealth wasn’t that hard. Perhaps toning down mind wrack might help a bit. I remember seeing frostball and helseth in recent matches (pre patch) and if the shatters went off in the middle of a team fight the damage was huge. However they’re very good players so…dunno.
I really don’t want to see harmonious mantras, fencers finesse or blurred inscriptions changed. I also feel the traits are all very well laid out for picking what works well together. Maybe it’s more that other classes don’t have traits as well laid out as Mesmer?
Edit: Additionally, mesmer wasn’t fun to play in PvE, it felt lacking, didn’t match the effort required for the damage and you had to give up all your utility for meagre buffs. You’re phantasms died frequently to boss AoE, didn’t get [unique buff] so couldn’t damage something and generally it was a pain. Now I feel like I’m pulling my weight, that I can provide the utility without gutting my damage. I feel on par with other classes for the most part for the first time in almost 2 years (didn’t get GW2 at launch)
Additionally the stealth buff with PU means we don’t need a thief for skips anymore in my party as I can either portal people through comfortably with personal stealth or MI and veil lasts long enough to get them through. Before, certainly veil felt very poor for its CD and utility slots were at a higher premium, now I feel I can slot it without feeling hampered in the next fight.
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I will meanwhile cry in my little, already nerfed, condi shatter corner. :’(
The strength of heart to face oneself has been made manifest. The persona Carighan has appeared.
You don’t have to, condi is still strong. If you hadn’t already, take Ineptitude. You’ll see how many blinds you stack up between shatters, dodges and chaos armor.
Also, the confusion can’t be evaded, so it’s just like the old clone death build again.
[BNF] Mesmer, called GS abuser by Nubu
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTjZ2yriM20o_36MZmMTuA/videos
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You don’t have to, condi is still strong. If you hadn’t already, take Ineptitude. You’ll see how many blinds you stack up between shatters, dodges and chaos armor.
Also, the confusion can’t be evaded, so it’s just like the old clone death build again.
Guess thats the next trait that will be nerfed then.
@PyroAthiest
I’m angry that Pyro is advocating nerfs. Sure, you may be a great Mesmer and find the class too easy to play now.
On the other hand, I’m finally having some fun playing shatter. Please don’t advocate nerfs. I think you’ve really lost perspective Pyro.
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@PyroAthiest
I’m angry that Pyro is advocating nerfs. Sure, you may be a great Mesmer and find the class too easy to play now.
On the other hand, I’m finally having some fun playing shatter. Please don’t advocate nerfs. I think you’ve really lost perspective Pyro.
Hey can you Mesmers stop attacking those of us who are trying to be fair? It’s not calling for nerfs. It’s about trying to reach a point for BALANCE.
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“The jealous are troublesome to others, but certainly a torment to themselves.”
“The jealous are troublesome to others, but certainly a torment to themselves.”
@MailMail
I don’t agree. Your wording, “you Mesmers” implies that you are not a Mesmer. Historically, Mesmer has been over nerfed for a long time. So if you wish to be “fair”, you would do well not to advocate nerfing Mesmer now.
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@MailMail
I don’t agree. Your wording, “you Mesmers” implies that you are not a Mesmer. Historically, Mesmer has been over nerfed for a long time. So if you wish to be “fair”, you would do well not to advocate nerfing Mesmer now.
MailMail is right. On the other hand you seem to be ignoring that uncontrolled stunlock (via CS and MoD) as well as insane stealth bursts with zero tell (thanks to PU) are neither fun to play nor fun to fight against.
Especially not fun to fight against.
Limits, boundaries and challenge are necessary otherwise what’s the point in playing when you can steamroll everything and have crazy survivability via PU…
I agree that high bursts from stealth are not fun to play against. In fact I have been saying it over the past 3 years but every time I brought it up theifs desperatly defended their easy mode build.
If theives can have this then I see no reason that Mesmers can’t, come back to me when Mesmers don’t have cooldowns on their weapon skills.
@PyroAthiest
I’m angry that Pyro is advocating nerfs. Sure, you may be a great Mesmer and find the class too easy to play now.
On the other hand, I’m finally having some fun playing shatter. Please don’t advocate nerfs. I think you’ve really lost perspective Pyro.
Ithilwen, no disrespect, but can you please relax?
In the pvp forum someone asked for advice for how to fight against Mesmer and you spazzed on them, claiming they have some secret agenda to get Mesmer nerfed and proclaiming they need to learn to play, you’ve been trying to cut down or demean other Mesmer that don’t share your opinion, and have generally been pretty unreasonable.
Mesmer isn’t going back to how it was before, that’s a fact. No one wants that anyway. You’ve been extremely abrasive to anyone even hinting that something may be wrong with some of the traits, even if they offer reasonable suggestions.
Just.. Come on. No one has been this disrespectful to you, why do you have to act like that with others?
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@PyroAthiest
I’m angry that Pyro is advocating nerfs. Sure, you may be a great Mesmer and find the class too easy to play now.
On the other hand, I’m finally having some fun playing shatter. Please don’t advocate nerfs. I think you’ve really lost perspective Pyro.
So uh…wat.
I understand that there are a lot of people who don’t like how I post on the forum. Some of the complaints are legitimate, some are absurd and I laugh at them.
This complaint, however, is unique in that you’re actually complaining that I’m doing something when I’ve been loudly, repeatedly, and with little to no vitriol and displeasure withheld…doing the exact opposite.
Im going to have to agree that Guild Wars has lost some of its appeal with the patch. As a mesmer main that has been playing mesmer since day one I have to say that it just isnt as much fun anymore. For me, setting up a big shatter, and seeing it destroy my opponent was the biggest thrill of playing the game. Now, however, I can accomplish what a 3 clone shatter with full vulnerability did in a simple 1 clone mirror blade mind stab combo. It just isnt fun when playing mesmer is so god kitten braindead. I swear anet can never find a balance, its either mega buff or huge nerf.
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Clearly youre a kittenter as I have never heard of you before.
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Long Live [ASAP] Zerg: The greatest guild that ever was or will be.
Clearly youre a kittenter as I have never heard of you before.
Woah there.
I’m having great fun running a signet/distortion share/reflect support build. It’s wonderful that 1) I don’t need deceptive evasion to be useful and 2) I don’t have to trait for IP to be useful. I feel liberated.
Gandara
As a player who primarily levels characters thus far in Guild Wars 2. My first level 80 was a Mesmer way back near release. Having started a new Mesmer with this patch I’m finding it alot more fun to play.
I actually do damage to monsters and clear packs of creatures, the new Shatter damage and the new trait lines are amazingly powerful and really take alot of the drudgery out of leveling a mesmer that I experienced the first time around.
As a player who primarily levels characters thus far in Guild Wars 2. My first level 80 was a Mesmer way back near release. Having started a new Mesmer with this patch I’m finding it alot more fun to play.
I actually do damage to monsters and clear packs of creatures, the new Shatter damage and the new trait lines are amazingly powerful and really take alot of the drudgery out of leveling a mesmer that I experienced the first time around.
I hear that.
That reminds me of the time when i was pvping & was fighting this warrior who was laughing at me & telling me that my damage was tickling him. :/ grrrrrrrr…..
i’m wondering where he is now?
I actually do damage to monsters and clear packs of creatures, the new [class mechanic] damage and the new trait lines are amazingly powerful and really take alot of the drudgery out of leveling a [profession] that I experienced the first time around.
I remember that, with my warrior, my ele, my thief, ranger, guard, necro and engineer.
I also remember a dark patch in my memory full of misery and suffering, crawling pathetically slowly around maps. Taking a while to kill stuff or not really getting there in time to tag something as I was summoning and so hearts took longer. Where my class mechanic was frequently (and still is) made redundant and I’m left fighting a champion with a toothpick.
I guess the dark clouds are parting, if only for the rain of nerfs that will blot out that sun.
Burst is “easy” for every class to set up currently…
this patch is aimed to be balanced with the New Specializations and classes in the next expansion, its pre-patch, there is no point rerolling based on difficulty, cause u have no idea what will and will not be difficult in HoT..
even Elementalists now can opt out of fully rotating around their abilities and only take on 3 instead of all 5 lowering their ability count to 15. i do find it weird that people feel lost without being the Underdog class cause they like the feeling of being Underpowered.
Mesmers before were a backline class and only doing something if their team was infront of em, the set up was bigger as they couldnt do as much damage without doing every detail sure.. but how hard is that to really do behind everyone… Or in the position u cant do it anyway as ur just fodder for the thief.
if u play a Class perfectly underpowered and it gets buffed OFCOURSE your going to feel uber strong, that isnt the class getting Easier Every class gets EASIER, the challange never stays cause u eventually overcome that challange.
I’m not much into PvP or WvW but I gotta say I loved a thing for PvE. Finally my slow mesmer can have some more reliable swiftness xD Signet of… (crap I forget the name) + Temporal Curtain, gotta love that swiftness. :P
This will only need other played to actually counterplay you. A dodged shatter is still 0 dmg. The only thing changed is that a weak shatter vs careless ppl turned into a good shatter vs careless ppl.
What’s coming next is that those careless ppl become careful – thus – balance.
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@MailMail
I don’t agree. Your wording, “you Mesmers” implies that you are not a Mesmer. Historically, Mesmer has been over nerfed for a long time. So if you wish to be “fair”, you would do well not to advocate nerfing Mesmer now.
Bad wording on my part. It’s as obvious as the sun is bright that I’ve been a Mesmer purist since day 1. You are factually wrong on the last part. Being fair isn’t about anticipating what the devs will or won’t do in terms of balance. It’s about suggesting the fair and balanced thing for all classes period. Just to be sure, this is what you “don’t agree [with]” correct?
It’s not [about] calling for nerfs. It’s about trying to reach a point for BALANCE.
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“The jealous are troublesome to others, but certainly a torment to themselves.”
“The jealous are troublesome to others, but certainly a torment to themselves.”
This will only need other played to actually counterplay you. A dodged shatter is still 0 dmg. The only thing changed is that a weak shatter vs careless ppl turned into a good shatter vs careless ppl.
What’s coming next is that those careless ppl become careful – thus – balance.
Sadly what’ll happen next most likely is just Anet’s nerfhammers. =/
GW2 has taught me that being a Mesmer is about..
..being a cynical forecaster.
..being a doom-monger….and being a hopeless jinxer.
..being a cynical forecaster.
..being a doom-monger….and being a hopeless jinxer.
I think the rebalance has diminished some of the old “build an intricate trap of clones in order to blow up your enemies” factor. But instead they’ve recaptured a bit more of the feel of GW1 mesmers: exceptionally good at messing up rotations and punishing misplays, but you have to build with a specific purpose in mind and play precisely.
Like, look at the choice of Evasive Mirror vs. Blinding Dissipation in Dueling: they’re both powerful counters to different kinds of enemies, requiring active timing on your part to really use effectively.
I don’t mind the trade at all.
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Lol right “it was more fun because it was subpar” cuz logic, right? Never really seen you come out and say how ‘challenging’ mesmer is before patch. So I’m not really buying this ‘now it’s not challenging’ bs of yours. Funny, because your retro posts were always complaining about how mes wasnt that good. Hipster syndrome?
What people here are really trying to say is, “I played Mesmer before it was cool. I think I’m going to play insert profession so I can try out this new build. You’ve probably never heard of it.”
You’d expect people having played mesmer to be special snowflakes anyway, right?
@PyroAthiest
I’m angry that Pyro is advocating nerfs. Sure, you may be a great Mesmer and find the class too easy to play now.
On the other hand, I’m finally having some fun playing shatter. Please don’t advocate nerfs. I think you’ve really lost perspective Pyro.
Hey can you Mesmers stop attacking those of us who are trying to be fair? It’s not calling for nerfs. It’s about trying to reach a point for BALANCE.
It’s the developer’s job to find balance… Our job is to present our side of the coin not to ask for nerfs.
Mesmer build options and effectiveness have been so consistently kitten for so long that when they’re suddenly something else…you have no idea how to react.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but Mesmer requiring 10x more effort to accomplish what everyone else could do didn’t make it better or more fun…it just made it non-meta and aggravating to play. Now we’re getting a reward more appropriate to the effort we put in, and some deluded mesmers are asking for nerfs. It boggles the mind.
You can’t scream for buffs all the time and then turn around and ask for nerfs after you get buffed. Stupid threads like this are one of the reasons mesmers never get nice things.
^ this.
Dancing around in combat and out playing stronger foes IS fun, sure. However being unviable on your most viable specs, for years isn’t.
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@PyroAthiest
I’m angry that Pyro is advocating nerfs. Sure, you may be a great Mesmer and find the class too easy to play now.
On the other hand, I’m finally having some fun playing shatter. Please don’t advocate nerfs. I think you’ve really lost perspective Pyro.
Hey can you Mesmers stop attacking those of us who are trying to be fair? It’s not calling for nerfs. It’s about trying to reach a point for BALANCE.
It’s the developer’s job to find balance… Our job is to present our side of the coin not to ask for nerfs.
Wait, so it’s not our job to help developers find balance?? Our job is to only “present our side of the coin”? What does that mean: to not acknowledge when our traits are over powered and to only acknowledge when our traits are underpowered? What about people who play all sorts of classes and have no main? What’s their job? Can you answer any of these questions?
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“The jealous are troublesome to others, but certainly a torment to themselves.”
“The jealous are troublesome to others, but certainly a torment to themselves.”
@serenke
Why would it only be sensible for us to note things we consider “too weak”?
As if it’s some kind of weird competition, each class continuously reporting on where other classes need nerfs, balanced by that class reporting where they need buffs.
Why?
I’m interested in a balanced, and most importantly, well-rounded and gameplay wise complete-feeling character. If that includes nerfs, why would I not be interested in the devs implementing those? Being too strong is IMO just as bad as being too weak. It can be fun for a few minutes to smash face, but I got specialized genres (ARPGs) for that, and also that became old years ago in other MMOs.
Nowadays, I just want the concept to work out and show a balance between sub-concepts.
The strength of heart to face oneself has been made manifest. The persona Carighan has appeared.
OK, I will publicly acknowledge that I was out of control there for a bit. I don’t know why.. perhaps it was the confusion stacks.
I apologize for that. I hope the community will choose to let it pass.
Mesmer suddenly got fun. I’m deathly afraid the nerf hammer will crush it.
Mesmerising Girl
Yeah I have the impression that everyone and their mother is switching to power pu right now because of how ridiculously easy and effective it is. Of course what they are saying is that it is ‘fun’ for them and therefore should be kept the way it is.
I actually don’t think the problem here is the damage buff of Mesmer. The damage buff is over the board, and it’s a good idea (maybe), but what went wrong is the lack of defense overall. I mean, is ANet trying to make fights cannot last for more than 2 seconds? It is either you burst your opponent first or you get bursted. Shatter mesmer, backstab thief, fresh air ele, just the same problem. It’s not fun anymore because now it’s the matter of who have more stun/daze/lockdown and funny enough a little better ping will help you as well. As again, the problem is not only the mesmer buff/nerf whatever it is, but the stat balance overall. Too high damage potential but defense just meh. Thief get bursted? Understandable. Full dire cheesy condi engi get bursted? Uhm.. what? Tank guard get bursted? Okay.. I mainly WvW and the unbalance is real. It feels like you are forced to play something you don’t want to (to be effective etc.)
Damage buff is fine. Need more defense.
Wait so that bring us back to the before patch?
What am I saying..?
Sorry, I’m just a sad thief wander in the mesmer forum trying to figure out how can I play against you guys…
Nah, damage is too high IMO. Across the board. We don’t need more defense IMO, active defenses are plentiful and strong enough as it is.
Just… everyone got 2x-3x as much damage output now. PvE, WvW, sPvP, it’s all crazy because our health, toughness, condition cleansing and basically was never intended to work against direct damage dropping us in 3 seconds or conditions doing it in 4.
The strength of heart to face oneself has been made manifest. The persona Carighan has appeared.
WvW is still weird cause they haven’t gotten rid of Applied Fortitude and Strength yet.
GW2 has taught me that being a Mesmer is about..
..being a cynical forecaster.
..being a doom-monger….and being a hopeless jinxer.
..being a cynical forecaster.
..being a doom-monger….and being a hopeless jinxer.
But I’m not, they are just the most broken.
When they can apply high stacks of every condition to you in the game at range in seconds then we’ll talk but all you are doing is making it obvious you havn’t actually played post patch.
No but they can down you in one shatter. If you need tips on how I am sure I can set up a lesson with my friend, he has done it to people in front of me to prove the point.
And that is different from any other burst build post patch? Oh right a Mesmer is doing it.
Yes it is. Honestly, this is going nowhere. Let us both save ourselves time and walk away.
Yes please do walk away, hopefully you will jump in game and see what this new patch has to offer all the classes and come back with knowledge of the game but I Imagine you will just whine about how mesmer needs nerfs on the pvp boards instead.
I have been online today and all day yesterday. I honestly think you’re taking this too personally, if they find mesmer broken they will nerf it regardless of what you or I say, I don’t see why you’re fighting me like I am the guy in charge of balance decisions on Anet.
Mesmer’s damage will be nerfed, mark my words, more so than other classes I’d imagine.
Power creep isn’t good for the game. I am done, honestly you’re just going to give me another bitter reply after I have tried being reasonable and make baseless assumptions again. Maybe you should stop being so defensive and think outside the bubble that is your knee-jerk self preservation reflex.
That is all the advice I can afford you. Enjoy GTA 5.
If you were being reasonable you would give me actual proof that Mesmer is stronger then other classes other then ‘my headmates told me’, you wouldn’t be denying that every other class has got some ridiculous buffs and you would be asking that all classes get toned down to stop this power creep.
Levetty.1279, nvm Pistolwhip. Cuz your right about him. He is kitten cuz he cant get his free luch no more. Or at least gonna have to do like others. Work for it. Among other trolling thieves we endured during all this time.
For the last time, I don’t play thief. I don’t understand how illiterate people gain access to these forums lol.
Same can be asked about people with no experience fighting certain classes. I think they should separate the forums based on time played for each profession.
Anyway, I haven’t noticed you complain about thief 10k
Heartseekers.. so forgive us if we make the assumption you just want your free kills back