Guild Wars 2

Im absolutly do not feel this is a good patch.
All my skills working as worked. I do not do more damage.

Ooo the possibiltys, il be streaming later when i get out of work

Mindx.9610:

Ooo the possibiltys, il be streaming later when i get out of work

Well might as well:

http://ru.twitch.tv/iceflame1988

Wish twitch chat finally started working for me after their downtime….

Anyone uploaded a video of the new tainted shackle animation?

Anyone snicker when they say ‘tainted shackle’?

Thedenofsin.7340:

Anyone uploaded a video of the new tainted shackle animation?

Anyone snicker when they say ‘tainted shackle’?

I am uploading right now… will link in a new topic.. have some duels too.

It’s not mentioned on the notes, but Dark Path has 1200 range now.
It’s not that amazing but it’s something!

Perhaps my excitement is getting the better of me, but this patch seems to have both improved and diversified condition specs. So far I’m generally happy with how this all turned out. I’ve been trying all sorts of build variations with dumbfire and its really nice having that burn. I must have tried over a dozen different specs with it since the patch released (not to any significant extent, mind you) and most of them have just been so fun. I can’t wait to see how the power-based builds have been improved.

Long story short, this is the first time I haven’t been cynical about a patch.

LastDay.3524:

It’s not mentioned on the notes, but Dark Path has 1200 range now.
It’s not that amazing but it’s something!

I didn’t notice that, excellent! And with life blast also on a 1200 range, we’re starting to be quite nice!

krippler.9826:

So the burning says it applies for 4 seconds, but to get it, you have to have 30 trait points in the Spite line. Does that mean that the base amount will be 5.2 seconds? Also, do crits from life transfer apply burning?

Yes DS can proc it.

TheAgedGnome.7520:

Also:

• All elite player transforms (racial and profession) now have a 1-second cooldown on leaving them. This was done to prevent unintentionally leaving through double-clicking.

So glad! Too often I would spaz-click F1 and just flash in/out of DS unintentionally.

NOooooo!! As a powermancer I constantly flashed in DS to drop enfeebling blood, gain fury and start striking with my daggers. Oh well, not complaining just have to adapt. I am drooling over WoP, now a stun breaker and a 1 sec stability! I’m liking the changes overall. Thank you Anet

Sajuuk.4973:

TheAgedGnome.7520:

Also:

• All elite player transforms (racial and profession) now have a 1-second cooldown on leaving them. This was done to prevent unintentionally leaving through double-clicking.

So glad! Too often I would spaz-click F1 and just flash in/out of DS unintentionally.

NOooooo!! As a powermancer I constantly flashed in DS to drop enfeebling blood, gain fury and start striking with my daggers. Oh well, not complaining just have to adapt. I am drooling over WoP, now a stun breaker and a 1 sec stability! I’m liking the changes overall. Thank you Anet

You can still DS flash, it only affects elite transforms, also says so in the change

All elite player transforms (racial and profession) now have a 1-second cooldown on leaving them. This was done to prevent unintentionally leaving through double-clicking.

Spectral sustain in DS + deathly perception + new life blast bwa ha ha ha ha.

Well of Power just became good anywhere.

Necros will be a lulzfest in wvw I think.

any calculators that have updateted with the last patch changes?

Tainted shackles is amazing
Fear buff is amazing
Corrupt boon is still amazing
Necros are amazing now. the end

too soon to say 4sure but possibility of a nerf coming :o

Wow. Love it. Reading the other forums, people are pulling their kittening hair out. I knew if I stuck it out with my Necro we would get some good stuff. This is gonna be fun.

ArchonWing.9480:

Well of Power just became good anywhere.

Necros will be a lulzfest in wvw I think.

I’m curious about the stun break though. Does it break stun only for the Necro when cast, or does it break stuns in the well when it pulses? If the latter, would it apply to allies?

I’d say we’re more in line now, with the other classes.
Before the patch, if a critburst thief jumped me, I had no chance of living through it. At least now, I do I don’t know if it’s just because I play a necro, but I do feel like we needed a make over, and we got a just reward. We’ve suffered through months of poverty, we deserve to be kings for awhile

Nemesis.8593:

I LOVE YOU ALL !…

Incoming builds… many… many… many…

30/10/0/0/30 builds work really good now thanks to the new trait in “soul reaping” that allows 100% crit chance with DS skills and “axe training” that can be add to “Close to Death”.
Il like “focused ritual” in “curses” to land the well while at 600 range.

Liquid.9672:

ArchonWing.9480:

Well of Power just became good anywhere.

Necros will be a lulzfest in wvw I think.

I’m curious about the stun break though. Does it break stun only for the Necro when cast, or does it break stuns in the well when it pulses? If the latter, would it apply to allies?

I think it only breaks for the necro, especially since it only gives stability to the necromancer. (And really, it’s just enough to guarantee the cast goes through, which is a gimmick I think also got added to the Warrior Stomp skill? Still really useful though.)

hahaha. Just tried some builds around and 30/20/0/0/20 + Conditionapplication via DS5 is pretty fearsome. So gonna get nerfed. x)

All other stunbreaks happen right when the skill is used, so for consistency I don’t think the well pulses it. Even guardians don’t get AoE stunbreaks.

lettucemode.3789:

All other stunbreaks happen right when the skill is used, so for consistency I don’t think the well pulses it. Even guardians don’t get AoE stunbreaks.

Well, they do now with a grandmaster trait…

say whaaaaaaaaat

All changes are pretty meh but at least, no nerfs for us.

Also, the new DS#5 seems to be fun to use and add a boost to our DS#4 (more AoE is always welcome IMO).

lettucemode.3789:

say whaaaaaaaaat

Yeah, the Shielded Mind trait makes Virtue of Courage break stun and grant stability to everyone it affects now.

Softspoken.2410:

Liquid.9672:

ArchonWing.9480:

Well of Power just became good anywhere.

Necros will be a lulzfest in wvw I think.

I’m curious about the stun break though. Does it break stun only for the Necro when cast, or does it break stuns in the well when it pulses? If the latter, would it apply to allies?

I think it only breaks for the necro, especially since it only gives stability to the necromancer. (And really, it’s just enough to guarantee the cast goes through, which is a gimmick I think also got added to the Warrior Stomp skill? Still really useful though.)

I assumed as much, and if so WoP will still rarely if ever make it onto my skill bar in WvW. It’ll still be the staple of WoS, WoC and Spectral Walk/Wall.

zach.1847:

hahaha. Just tried some builds around and 30/20/0/0/20 + Conditionapplication via DS5 is pretty fearsome. So gonna get nerfed. x)

Do some of you guys have stockholm syndrome. This is why we can’t have nice things. At least let the meta absorb this before we go shouting to bring a hammer on our own heads.

Necro being toward the top, if it were to be the case, would be karma we richly deserve for being doormats so long. And Anet does not believe in whack-a-mole, so they will carefully monitor and if any adjustments need to be made, baby steps, just like the way up.

Heck, we still have issues that need fixing. The siphon ‘fixes’ seem pretty kitten to me. Death Magic is still a mess, yadda yadda.

You guys are missing the point…

Necromancers were easy pray for such a long time, now that we are equal no one knows how to fight us.

At the same time… because we had to fight harder for every victory we obtained, every single one of you necromancers has a higher skill level then their “equal” adversary…
We had to be more skilled then our opponents just to be able to stand our ground… We had to use skill to not get killed by a heart seeking spamming thief… or a faceroll bunker elementalist, or a “i do my combo you die” shatter mesmer…

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lettucemode.3789:

say whaaaaaaaaat

Yeah, the Shielded Mind trait makes Virtue of Courage break stun and grant stability to everyone it affects now.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Yes. That’s why i think we won’t be embraced with open arms.

The buff to Death Shroud is amazing, doing full damage Life Blasts with constant crits is just so pressuring. ffffFFFF 2.4K! fffFFFF 2.6K! ffffffF 2.3k!

It’s just like a MINI Lich Form!!! lol

Necro now needs nerfing.

Nemesis.8593:

You guys are missing the point…

Necromancers were easy pray for such a long time, now that we are equal no one knows how to fight us.

At the same time… because we had to fight harder for every victory we obtained, every single one of you necromancers has a higher skill level then their “equal” adversary…
We had to be more skilled then our opponents just to be able to stand our ground… We had to use skill to not get killed by a heart seeking spamming thief… or a faceroll bunker elementalist, or a “i do my combo you die” shatter mesmer…

I just typed this sentiment, then deleted it figuring someone else would say it. +1

Svarty.8019:

Necro now needs nerfing.

The other classes probably have a bazillion OP things as well.

Tbh, i can’t see why necro got so much more OP now…? I am clearly missing something…

the only good thing that made us stronger with this patch is short CD on wells and torment…? What did i miss?

Nemesis.8593:

You guys are missing the point…

Necromancers were easy pray for such a long time, now that we are equal no one knows how to fight us.

At the same time… because we had to fight harder for every victory we obtained, every single one of you necromancers has a higher skill level then their “equal” adversary…
We had to be more skilled then our opponents just to be able to stand our ground… We had to use skill to not get killed by a heart seeking spamming thief… or a faceroll bunker elementalist, or a “i do my combo you die” shatter mesmer…

My main in GW1 and GW2 has been Necro and I’m excited to see what comes out of this update. I’ll be keeping an eye on your builds Nemesis for sure.

Sooo Blood Magic and lifesteal essentially weren’t even touched. Great.

Oblivion.8307:

necro is broken op. hope you guys are happy.

Hehe Ds is op incoming nerf crys…. The 50% crit in ds is anets reaction to necros perma fury builds being unviable….. They just opened up a whole new world of necro power builds. Also dhummfire power builds will most likely utilize axe minions and deathmagic with carrion

Iceflame.5024:

Svarty.8019:

Necro now needs nerfing.

The other classes probably have a bazillion OP things as well.

Probably?

Unkillable guardians.
Bunker rangers.
Perma stealth thieves.
D/d eles.
Hammer warriors.
Zerg mesmers.
etc-etc.

Homonavn.6348:

Tbh, i can’t see why necro got so much more OP now…? I am clearly missing something…

the only good thing that made us stronger with this patch is short CD on wells and torment…? What did i miss?

Not sure if serious.

The changes to SW created a lot of extra damage for terror builds. Also great for choke-point defense in wvw.

The changes to DS allow power builds to crit life blast near all the time while allowing spectral armor and spectral walk effects to be active for additonal LF generation in DS. Additionally the new 5.

Burn application. A burn at 300+ base dmg then .25% of your condi dmg is nothing to sneeze at.

It also looks like some of the master/adept swaps will open up more build flexibility.

We still don’t have a source of vigor (not counting wop) or some of the other handy mobility/escape mechanisms of the other classes, but anet seems to have decided that if we were going to have to stay in a fight to the end that we should at least have a better chance at winning it.

Homonavn.6348:

Tbh, i can’t see why necro got so much more OP now…? I am clearly missing something…

the only good thing that made us stronger with this patch is short CD on wells and torment…? What did i miss?

Spectral and DS buffs are amazing, not rly a buff since we secretly had lf gain in ds in beta but it got removed…return to glory for older necros and DS utilization for newer necros

Nemesis.8593:

You guys are missing the point…

Necromancers were easy pray for such a long time, now that we are equal no one knows how to fight us.

At the same time… because we had to fight harder for every victory we obtained, every single one of you necromancers has a higher skill level then their “equal” adversary…
We had to be more skilled then our opponents just to be able to stand our ground… We had to use skill to not get killed by a heart seeking spamming thief… or a faceroll bunker elementalist, or a “i do my combo you die” shatter mesmer…

Hahaha don’t be that guy. ‘Necromancers aren’t OP, we’re all just super skilled!’

If we’re too strong now we will get toned down, and anyone who has a problem with it is being shortsighted. We weren’t far off the mark before, and we got a lot in this patch. I’ve won every 1v1 I’ve had since the patch, and considering just how out of practice I am, that says a lot, despite the small sample size.

As someone else said though, give the meta time to absorb it and see what happens.

Frankly, it is partly accurate. Necromancers have been difficult to play for a long time now. People who have stuck through it anyway now have more power to play with, and people aren’t used to having to actually fight a Necromancer, they are used to just killing a weak build.

Not to say that this won’t even out pretty quickly. But for today at least, you could probably steam roll a lot of people who have never had to actually intelligently fight a Necro.

Nemesis.8593:

You guys are missing the point…

Necromancers were easy pray for such a long time, now that we are equal no one knows how to fight us.

At the same time… because we had to fight harder for every victory we obtained, every single one of you necromancers has a higher skill level then their “equal” adversary…
We had to be more skilled then our opponents just to be able to stand our ground… We had to use skill to not get killed by a heart seeking spamming thief… or a faceroll bunker elementalist, or a “i do my combo you die” shatter mesmer…

Well, with the DS buffs etc. you can’t say necro requires skill?

Trait so we apply vulnerability and gain might on the DS1 skill and just AFK..:? We crit like every hit and are able to hit for 5-6k… No skill required at all.

Also, how the f. did you get killed by a heartseeking thief as a necro? necro has 20-30k hp (depending on the build) and heartseeker whenevr yuour HP is above 50% does less damage than autoattack… The only time thief should use heartseeker is whenever your health is under 25%. You clearly havent played thief much…

Original Heartseeker spam was standard opener (mug->backstab) press heartseeker until they are dead (1-2 times). Maybe nowadays its harder, but it was one of the original no-skill thief builds.

I tend to agree with Nemesis. In any competitive game there are certain abilities or effects that make you excited just to read them. Things like guardians’ new AoE stunbreak (whaaaaaaaaaaat) or mesmers’ vigor on crit, or thieves’ 100% crit from stealth. Even if these things are balanced, they still just seem so powerful that it makes you excited to think about using them, which makes you want to play that class.

The GW2 community at large just sort of expects that necromancers are a bad class. However now we have some exclusive cool stuff that is exciting to read because you can picture the possibilities in your head. So people are taking notice and reacting.

Give it a month or two to see how it plays out. My prediction is that there will be a surge in popularity for a bit then it will drop back down to slightly-higher-than-before levels.

I will just stick to my old well build. I really need my 20 points in death magic and blood magic… I tried running without and no way.. i love my well CD ruduction and health siphoning to much. Feel to squishy without

Homonavn.6348:

I will just stick to my old well build. I really need my 20 points in death magic and blood magic… I tried running without and no way.. i love my well CD ruduction and health siphoning to much. Feel to squishy without

*secret blood magic high five *

Dhuumfire is thrash, it procs only on 1 target every 20 seconds, even if the crit does proc on an aoe spell on more targets. It shouldn’t be on Grandmaster.
Over the fact that Guardians have special blue burn effects and our flame is a traditional flame.