Guild Wars 2

spoj.9672:

You are one of those forumites aswell though. You disregard almost everyones opinion and claim they are wrong with no proof.

I have said 30,000 times I am willing to step ingame with anyone to prove it to them personally. I tried to do that with Xom, but he was thicker than a boulder, and didn’t even participate further than a single test, which he botched when he gave himself 100% life force after I told him not to.

@Mammoth: You really think that Necromancers can’t be on point? Wow. I’m going to ignore you now.

Ugh. We’re talking about Xoms 30/30/10 Mr Context. It’s not a bunker, and if you expect one to fight on point in a tourney you’re even worse than I already thought, which is hard to believe possible.

Could you please stop noobing out SO hard with every post?

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

You’re absolutely right: this thread has become strictly an examination of your attitude.

But you set it up that way. After all, you explicitly made this thread to try to educate the community and you explicitly set yourself up as its teacher. Good teachers don’t rage at their students. They are patient. They engage their students. To invent a statistic, 90% of whether a class is successful or not depends on the teacher, not the material. Being a good teacher involves personality, showmanship, and a heapton of patience for stupidity and surliness. You seem to lack most of those attributes, which makes us wonder how you deal with “students” who ask too many questions. Not well, it seems.

As for the specifics of the duel, you seem angry that Xom acquired as much advantage as he could before fighting, including choose an advantageous location. Why would someone not do that? If anything, that implies he had good tactical knowledge and executed that knowledge appropriately. I don’t play much sPvP, but I don’t remember points being awarded for fighting fair.

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

You’re absolutely right: this thread has become strictly an examination of your attitude. But you set it up that way. After all, you explicitly made this thread to try to teach the community.

You take issue with being called a pillar-of-the-community hopeful, so let’s use a word you used yourself: “teacher.” Good teachers don’t rage at their students. They are patient. They engage their students. To invent a statistic, 90% of whether a class is successful or not depends on the teacher, not the material. Being a teacher involves personality, showmanship, and a heapton of patience for stupidity and surliness.

As for the specifics of the duel, you seem angry that Xom acquired as much advantage as he could before fighting, including choose an advantageous location. Why would someone not do that? If anything, that implies he had good tactical knowledge and executed that knowledge appropriately. I don’t play much sPvP, but I don’t remember points being awarded for fighting fair.

I don’t get angry at my students. None of you are my students anyway, if you want to be, I’d be alot nicer.

I would gladly duel Altroll with all his awesome builds, and will stream it so everyone has the privilege of seeing the greatness of his builds. Everyone knows I am semi-decent player who plays well within the framework of a team. So beating me shouldn’t be that hard if your builds are as amazing as you say they are.

So there we go – i will gladly showcase your builds in a duel against myself and/or Gibbly on twitch.tv/soacgaming – Beating me is nothing, and you have said you are better than Gibbly so this should be a great way to showcase and feature your builds.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I don’t get angry at my students. None of you are my students anyway, if you want to be, I’d be alot nicer.

I… am not convinced. Surely you can understand why your conduct in this thread has left me skeptical.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

You’re absolutely right: this thread has become strictly an examination of your attitude. But you set it up that way. After all, you explicitly made this thread to try to teach the community.

You take issue with being called a pillar-of-the-community hopeful, so let’s use a word you used yourself: “teacher.” Good teachers don’t rage at their students. They are patient. They engage their students. To invent a statistic, 90% of whether a class is successful or not depends on the teacher, not the material. Being a teacher involves personality, showmanship, and a heapton of patience for stupidity and surliness.

As for the specifics of the duel, you seem angry that Xom acquired as much advantage as he could before fighting, including choose an advantageous location. Why would someone not do that? If anything, that implies he had good tactical knowledge and executed that knowledge appropriately. I don’t play much sPvP, but I don’t remember points being awarded for fighting fair.

I don’t get angry at my students. None of you are my students anyway, if you want to be, I’d be alot nicer.

Wouldn’t it be wiser to be nice first to increase enrollment? just my 2 cents.

Actually, I will do you one better Altroll. We will host the Might Altroll championship of awesome builds.

You get a team for your team builds, and your solo builds. I am sure I can find a group of guys just itching to duel you in your primo awesome dueling builds.

I will stream it and shoutcast it. We will give you the opportunity to talk about your Meta build before the duels explaining (without yelling) how the build is supposed to work. Than you and your hand picked team can face off against the teams that I will find to face you.

We can start off with say SOAC Blue and Lost (I am sure Avarice wouldn’t mind). I am pretty positive I can get pink and AOTM to jump in on this as well. Then we will also host the 1 on 1 tournament all featured around players who think they can top you.

So now the ball is in your court? Are you up for the challenge or will you stick to letting the forums be your court?

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

Good teachers don’t rage at their students. They are patient. They engage their students. Being a good teacher involves personality, showmanship, and a heapton of patience for stupidity and surliness.

As an actual teacher in real life (not GW2), thank you for appreciating what we do.

Bas just laid down the gauntlet, hard. I want to see this so much.

Also altroll, one of the reasons you don’t get people in game is because of your attitude in game. You are so abusive I had to block you on Skype over an argument you started and I tried to diffuse, and every conversation we have where we don’t agree ends in you flaming me until I get tired and stop talking; I have heard this from your own students as well, they just learn how to not disagree because it isn’t worth the fight. As someone who actually is a teach IRL, and plenty of games, your attitude at the front has to be amicable. Your attitude shoves people away, and you won’t be a pillar of the community until you fix it.

Bas.7406:

Actually, I will do you one better Altroll. We will host the Might Altroll championship of awesome builds.

You get a team for your team builds, and your solo builds. I am sure I can find a group of guys just itching to duel you in your primo awesome dueling builds.

I will stream it and shoutcast it. We will give you the opportunity to talk about your Meta build before the duels explaining (without yelling) how the build is supposed to work. Than you and your hand picked team can face off against the teams that I will find to face you.

We can start off with say SOAC Blue and Lost (I am sure Avarice wouldn’t mind). I am pretty positive I can get pink and AOTM to jump in on this as well. Then we will also host the 1 on 1 tournament all featured around players who think they can top you.

So now the ball is in your court? Are you up for the challenge or will you stick to letting the forums be your court?

Sure. I’ll put my builds to any test. Though they are not 1v1 builds, and duels do not matter. I will put together a team, if you are serious, and I’ll put them to the test against any challengers. I’ll lead a team of 5 Necromancers against any team you put together. I may not expect to win every match, but I want to prove that a good Necro can handle any role in a team, just as well as any other class.

YOu can do 5 Necromancers, but I would prefer an actual team. Proving that 5 necros can hold their own isn’t the same as proving that your build can be worked into another team comp.

Give me a few days and I will put it together. I am glad you wanted to do this!

Bas.7406:

YOu can do 5 Necromancers, but I would prefer an actual team. Proving that 5 necros can hold their own isn’t the same as proving that your build can be worked into another team comp.

Give me a few days and I will put it together. I am glad you wanted to do this!

Alright then, just inform me what you want.

TheMightyAltroll.3485
Bas.7406:
YOu can do 5 Necromancers, but I would prefer an actual team. Proving that 5 necros can hold their own isn’t the same as proving that your build can be worked into another team comp.
Give me a few days and I will put it together. I am glad you wanted to do this!
Alright then, just inform me what you want.
Contact me ingame for Necro, Ranger, Mesmer, and Thief advice.

Please by the old gods and the new, cast this and keep the vods

This thread is made of pure win.
Drama,necromancers and millioners.

10/10

Uberkafros.5431:

This thread is made of pure win.
Drama,necromancers and millioners.

10/10

Seconded. Just started reading this post…the OP’s arrogance level is off the charts, and everyone’s trying WAY too hard to convince him he’s not being a complete kitten

LOL this is getting more and more entertaining

I wanna obs this live, please.

P.S. The OP must be the Zurantium of GW2.

Edit: Nvm, im EU.

Bas.7406:

Zen.8497:

There was another thread created for the sole purpose of trolling this thread and was honestly surprised by the negativity and number of followers. There is a lot of criticism in this thread as well that has nothing to do with being constructive but just another battle of egos.
Too much elitism and I think it is time to let it go.

Read the whole thread. No one was being elitist. They were pointing out flaws to some of the builds, and he reacted aggressively. His last few posts have been much better, but the reason for the arguments was that players were supportive and encouraging while adding some points that he might want to look at. No one has any issue with the builds, though they do have flaws. The issue was the response to constructive criticism.

I have read the thread and at least 3 sayings come to mind.
1. It takes two or more to make a quarrel.
2. What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?
3. In the end wishful thinking is one thing and reality another.
I would love to see this settled by everyone involved posting their builds and have the community test and mark them.

This guy just insults people left and right, calling them idiots, moronic, pathetic, etc and he expects people to become his ‘student’ and learn from him?

Set a good example if you ever want to be in a leadership role. I quite frankly have zero desire to learn anything from you with your kitteny attitude. Your name is a stain on the majority of the necro community and I can’t see how anyone would want to associate with such negativity and narcissism.

Narcissistic + Necromancer = Narcimancer?

Uberkafros.5431:

This thread is made of pure win.
Drama,necromancers and millioners.

10/10

+1

It’s all here!

Ha,

Nope never claimed to be a top necro I have been around the 300s before but that was not intended I just wanted tittle and it worked out that way. Point is an average joe necro like myself using a meta build won vs a pure bunker necro and fast second point someone claiming to be better then all the top necros in the game really should at least be in the top1000.

Mightaltroll posting screen shots, anyway I expected such from you I took a few screens shots of your insane rants towards the end, I had not intention of posting them here unless you did exactly what you just did.

The whole time this dude typed at a 15 to 1 ratio at me, at the point of these screen shots im long past trying to really reason, really wish I got the parts where he flamed specific top 200 necros called them trash.

For everyone enjoyment…. I wish I took more but here is a gem.

Yes I did challenge Mightyaltroll to a delete char fight, he turned it down. Really no risk on my part he would of lost and I would of done these forums a favor.

double post…..

might as well fill it

I started with 20% LF but the duel was a waste of time the whole thing was a waste of time. I did not even want to duel did not know I was walking into one, I still had my semi test build on as the utility choices show. Also tut did not use his elite because the fight ended to fast he thought he was winning even if he used elite it was too late my stacks were on him and all his removal skills were down. It was not an accident on my part I waited until his removal was used to do the spike. Not taking anything away from tut, but you should not have dragged others into your grudge match mightaltroll.

It was lame to refuse to fight me mightyaltroll, I think you just wanted to steal the build and in a month or so you will probably post it on the forums calling it themightyaltrollFire spike build. (i joke)

Anyway, dont send random people ingame mightaltroll, you wasted my time…. still it was not a total waste I did leave with a smile on my face when you blocked me. You sure can dish it out but cant take even a fraction back at you.

peace.

p.s. Bas sure I would love a good necro to practice builds with that power build would do well vs a condi spike build, I’m a power necro at heart I think they match up very well vs condi necros.

The plot thickens…

Haha wow…….

I talked with Altroll last night. We will schedule the Awesome Altroll Tournament for Sunday July 14th, 2013 at 2pm PST – If you would like your team to face off against Altroll’s Team Let me know. It will be steamed on twitch.tv/soacgaming. We will probably call it the Necro Grudge match.

I know that SOAC Blue is in. What I would like to do is 3-4 games Best of 3 with Altroll taking one of his builds and his handpicked team and fighting up a scale degree of difficulty. Such as first game would be against AOTM or Pink than say a team like Lost than Blue than possibly Red.

If you have a team that you would like to get in on the match let me know.

Funny, but I would stipulate that Altroll plays in the games on his necro for the build he wishes to showcase. He will use his buddies as fodder if they lose saying the lose was because of mistakes made by a ‘student’ thats exactly what he did to Tut after the fellow lost our duel. I was a bit in shock to say the least at the disrespect he showed even to a buddy.

Leave him no wiggly room else he will toss others under the bus. I dont know how much a 5 v 5 will show. A test of point capture and defense would really prove some things, like defending against two classes attacking or attacking with 2 people vs 1 do a timer count.

Example can a bunker necro keep the point with a eng knockback build? Can a bunker necro live vs a 2 man attack Necro + X class, or will another bunker class last longer. This is actually what I thought we were going to test early in the conversation when he sent me….. I wanted to show him some weaknesses and why necro is not a main bunker choice, but he would have none of it.

I dont think necros are terrible bunkers I bunker a ton on my necro….. but I know its weaknesses because I have seen them exposed first hand by good players.

Maybe something useful will come of this tread after all and Anet will make bunker necros top level viable after they nerf terror/fire. One can only hope

/shrug

One way or another, it needs to be agreed to in writing or on recorded video what the outcome of this tourney will mean. We shouldn’t just try to engineer the fights so as to not allow wiggle room: we should have everyone involved eliminate it entirely before the outcome is known.

Blaine Tog.8304:

One way or another, it needs to be agreed to in writing or on recorded video what the outcome of this tourney will mean. We shouldn’t just try to engineer the fights so as to not allow wiggle room: we should have everyone involved eliminate it entirely before the outcome is known.

1). Altroll is playing the Necromancer with his team. I would not do this if he wasn’t going to play.

2). The only thing to decide is if he is correct that his builds work within the framework of his team. We will figure out if it actually works against top level teams.

3). I asked him to run a standard team comp with his guys, and not 5 necromancers.

4). The goal is to have him face at least 3 teams. I really want to see his bunker build in action.

This isn’t a witch hunt. I think Altroll is a smart guy who simply doesn’t have the ability to communicate his point as effectively as he should. So I am giving him the format to prove that if someone plays it right his builds are the best.

Sure sure. But I guarantee you, there will be spin one way or another. If this tourney is trying to prove something, the only way that can happen is if everyone agrees on what is trying to be proven as well as what would constitute “proof.” I’m essentially asking that the tourney be made as non-falsifiable as possible, lest both sides take the results as proof that their builds are best. There’s little point in holding this tournament if we lack the ability to come to an agreement at the end of it.

Blaine Tog.8304
Sure sure. But I guarantee you, there will be spin one way or another. If this tourney is trying to prove something, the only way that can happen is if everyone agrees on what is trying to be proven as well as what would constitute “proof.” I’m essentially asking that the tourney be made as non-falsifiable as possible, lest both sides take the results as proof that their builds are best. There’s little point in holding this tournament if we lack the ability to come to an agreement at the end of it.

You mean other than the entertainment.

Xom.9264:

double post…..

might as well fill it

I started with 20% LF but the duel was a waste of time the whole thing was a waste of time. I did not even want to duel did not know I was walking into one, I still had my semi test build on as the utility choices show. Also tut did not use his elite because the fight ended to fast he thought he was winning even if he used elite it was too late my stacks were on him and all his removal skills were down. It was not an accident on my part I waited until his removal was used to do the spike. Not taking anything away from tut, but you should not have dragged others into your grudge match mightaltroll.

It was lame to refuse to fight me mightyaltroll, I think you just wanted to steal the build and in a month or so you will probably post it on the forums calling it themightyaltrollFire spike build. (i joke)

Anyway, dont send random people ingame mightaltroll, you wasted my time…. still it was not a total waste I did leave with a smile on my face when you blocked me. You sure can dish it out but cant take even a fraction back at you.

peace.

p.s. Bas sure I would love a good necro to practice builds with that power build would do well vs a condi spike build, I’m a power necro at heart I think they match up very well vs condi necros.

Amazing lies. You not only lack contextual understanding, but then have the memory of a 95 year old. You started with 100% life force, you spent 2 minutes farming Minions for it. I told Tut NOT to use his Elite, and the match lasted for quite some time. You infact didn’t even fight him in the 1v1 area either. If you actually read my posts before your screenshots of me getting tired of dealing with your nonsense, you would realize that the duel was not a win/lose matter, it was simply looking at how YOU played. Yes, I raged at you, because you’re thick. If you don’t believe me, ask Tut.

Secondly, your first post is completely wrong too,

A) You’re definitely not a top player, and I never accused you of being that.

B) THAT WAS NOT A BUNKER NECRO

C) Learn to understand context. I mentioned 30+ times ingame that it was not a bunker, and atleast 60 times in my post that it was not a bunker Necro. It was NOT EVEN A HARD-DAMAGE NECRO. It’s a control build, look up the “Blind Cold and Afraid” build on the first post. I get mad at you because you’re bloody dense. Even Tut and Roger thought you were dense too.

I’m just going to calm down after this and proceed to ignore you. I can’t rage at randoms like that anymore.

A whole new level of narcissism, haha.
Awesome screens.
Keep the drama coming, its the only thing spicing up this dead horse of a game.

You really dont understand the word context and should stop using it. A necro that stacks 2100 toughness is a bunker in my book, no matter what you claim the intended secondary roles are.

Call me a random that’s exactly what I am and so are you, problem is you dont know it and thats sad. You wanted to call out average necro you figured it was a safe bet….. did not turn out as planned now did it?

Mr. Mighty forum warrior, that pulling sensation in the groin area when you read my challenge in party chat for the delete duel was your balls retracting in fear…… if you thought you were good and I was really that bad you would of took the duel.

@Bas its going to be pointless he needs it too badly, you will be calm and respectful no matter the outcome and he will continue along, you’re giving him far more attention and respect then he has coming, but its going to be like watching a slow motion car wreck and for that I and the necro community thank you.

1.) This is only NA servers right?

2.) The idea of testing most “common” scenarios with a time limit would be nice cz u could do them faster than in a real match and more objectively. Would be also very educational, if recorded and explained.

3.) Cheers and good luck for Altroll !! #Hope bas was right and this doesnt turn into a witch hunt..

@xom, I have 5g that at least one of the players he called bad was Gibbly, he has a huge hate-kitten for him, and it’s hilarious.

I for one am looking forward to this. Both as a chance for AlTroll to actually show off some off-meta builds (regardless of the gigantic butt he is, some of his builds would do well in teams), and for all the wonderful stream chat that I know is going to be comedy gold.

Bhawb.7408:

@xom, I have 5g that at least one of the players he called bad was Gibbly, he has a huge hate-kitten for him, and it’s hilarious.

I for one am looking forward to this. Both as a chance for AlTroll to actually show off some off-meta builds (regardless of the gigantic butt he is, some of his builds would do well in teams), and for all the wonderful stream chat that I know is going to be comedy gold.

lol yeah it was a long list im sure a Gibbly was on it….. also they are not his builds not a single one no matter what he claims I seen them long before he tried to lay claim I love builds and theorycrafting 100% they are not his.

Changing a trait or utility does not make a build yours, that was what my thread was about…. he knows he stole those builds thats why out of all the necros posting he went after me the sarcasm hit too close to home.

I actually think necros have a ton of lower rankings (300+) level builds, that are good fill ins for the ‘ideal’ classes roll of bunker roamer and close point holder.

Honestly I’m not sure it’s fair to say it isn’t his build just because you saw someone else with it. I run a minion build that I made myself, I consider it my build, but I would not be surprised if someone else came up with a very similar build long before me. Not saying he did or did not copy a build, but I wanted to point that out.

Xom.9264:

Ha,

Nope never claimed to be a top necro I have been around the 300s before but that was not intended I just wanted tittle and it worked out that way. Point is an average joe necro like myself using a meta build won vs a pure bunker necro and fast second point someone claiming to be better then all the top necros in the game really should at least be in the top1000.

Mightaltroll posting screen shots, anyway I expected such from you I took a few screens shots of your insane rants towards the end, I had not intention of posting them here unless you did exactly what you just did.

The whole time this dude typed at a 15 to 1 ratio at me, at the point of these screen shots im long past trying to really reason, really wish I got the parts where he flamed specific top 200 necros called them trash.

For everyone enjoyment…. I wish I took more but here is a gem.

Yes I did challenge Mightyaltroll to a delete char fight, he turned it down. Really no risk on my part he would of lost and I would of done these forums a favor.

Those screenshots… He really lost it didn’t he? Quite pathetic. Im disappointed..

Bhawb.7408:

Honestly I’m not sure it’s fair to say it isn’t his build just because you saw someone else with it. I run a minion build that I made myself, I consider it my build, but I would not be surprised if someone else came up with a very similar build long before me. Not saying he did or did not copy a build, but I wanted to point that out.

How dare you not agree with me!?!?! Expect ingame sends with a challenge to duel, saying it proves nothing only if you win, of course if I win its proves everything!
Regardless of the outcome I will post in the forums selected screen shots trying to make you look bad while leaving out the parts I rage in all caps cursed and insulted you over and over simply because you did not agree with my opinion.

Could not resist, ok im out threads all yours peeps.

“1v1 is not determined by skill anyway, it’s determined by build/ class matchups.”

Just highlighting that quote and sticking it out there… yea…

This thread is solid gold 10/10 entertainment. Can’t wait to see those matches.

I do look forward to our streamed match, A Troll.

This is the best thread ever.

When i originally posted i was not sure how the community would react i was scared i would be the only one and i would get flamed to death.

Its funny how things turn out.

So, to see who’s right, you’re going to fight ?
Congratulation kids, you’re back to medieval intelligentsia…
Put your hand in boiling oil son, if you’re not burnt, god is on your side.

If I were you, and I had an argument about Street Fighter 4, to prove that Dan (worst character) is top tier, I would ask a world class player to play Dan against my friend’s top tier character. And as my friend accept the challenge, no matter the outcome, the two of us already lost.

What?? You think settling a disagreement about what builds are stronger in a round of tPvP by actually fighting it out is “medieval”?
But you would do the very same thing if the argument was about Street Fighter 4???

Btw I’m hyped to see that match!

You got me wrong. I mean that (I schematize) a player with high level of execution and experience can play almost any stupid build and be successful against a very good build badly executed. So it’s pointless, it doesnt prove anything.

Not to mention that to determine the effectiveness of a build, the only matchup tested will be necro vs necro ? Too bad Im not in the mood to laugh.

No, the matchup is two teams against each other. One running Altroll on whatever build he desires (this is due to the fact that he seems to believe only he can execute them well enough, and frankly I can almost guarantee that no top player would allow him to “teach” them how to use his builds), and a team to back him up, I would assume the entire team will run what he asks but I am not sure.

So basically he gets the opportunity to run his builds in a team (the only important thing in tPvP is how it works with a team) vs other high level teams. Obviously people will expect him to lose if he goes against Paradigm for example, but he should still be able to show how the builds do even if his team isn’t perfectly coordinated. It isn’t a matter of winning the games, but showing what his builds can do.

Edit: at least that is my interpretation of what is happening. Someone who knows for sure feel free to correct me.