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I play ranger myself, but with this ridiculous range it’s just no fun. It is way too much imo.
Other player are report that ranger can exceed range even to 2000+ range with evidence, it make 1500 range a joke.
2k, man that cant be good for anyone. We dont want to get overnerfed like they did thieves.
I play ranger myself, but with this ridiculous range it’s just no fun. It is way too much imo.
Other player are report that ranger can exceed range even to 2000+ range with evidence, it make 1500 range a joke.
2k, man that cant be good for anyone. We dont want to get overnerfed like they did thieves.
Thieves overnerf, where is evidence of change? Instant kill, extreme mobility, stealth on wall+object, reset fight anytime, stealth anytime want….no risk but reward all the time? Ranger will not be “overnerf” like thieves but need their range be adjusted.
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b y your logic all ranged weapons should have 1900 range then
Please enlighten me whereas I said all range weapons should have a 1900 range?
and theres your mistake assuming all rangers are gonna be complete idiots
when you play against uncoordinated idiots you will win no matter what profession they are if you got a coordinated zerg not much genius needed there.
Not sure what you are saying. Whom did I say or assume was an idiot? I stated, as others, that Rangers make choices to have that range and damage. It is similar across all meta’s of play. Same when the Guardian chooses to DPS or any other class.
im not saying ranger is the best class but you guys are defending its exploited mechanic religiously not everyone carries reflect and again not all rangers are idiots plus #5 is a DoT AoE so reflect wont do anything to stop the crippling pulses and damage
Please clarify the exploit. If you don’t have a ranger, roll one. Tell me what the base range is with the long bow. Then trait and tell me what it is. If you have a ranger then you know you can’t have one without the other. But herein is where we disagree as do others with you.
1. Game isn’t focused on 1 v 1
2. No, not everyone has reflect. You do have dodge.
Use the land to your advantage. Ambient creatures. Trees. NPCs. For Pete’s sake, use a dead supply carven / Yak (true story, had a warrior dancing around one which actually blocked my RF). Dodge. Close the gap.
If you are typing this and honestly feel hopeless vs. a ranger then maybe you have a different issue. I would hate to think what you feel when I’m on my ranger, with trapper runes, and my long bow. I’m guessing my stealth might totally overwhelm you
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I don’t get why this thread has gone so long. The OP doesnt even know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW.
The exaggeration posts are too “nmad” high here and need urgent clarify before it brainwash the new players.
a) There is NO 2000/1900/1700 range attack for any class.
b) 4.5k dmg on auto?? That only possible IF to pair up with Signet of Hunt+Wild + Opening Strike. + InvulAre you even realized if you are hitting a level 1 uplevel player?
Are you mistaken your opening strike for auto attack, that it was refresh instantly when your zerg killed that person instantly?
This is just a too kitten exaggerated statement, meaning you only need 5 arrows to kill a player? Do you seriously think arena allowed that? Just because ranger is slightly good in zerging, you wanna suggest this, but do you know how ranger was treated in other game mode?You want risk? Well, thats why ranger got “yttihs” melee weapon. Any experience thief see ranger as fresh meat.Just wait for you to be naked without stone signet, rampage, dodge, protect me, etc. There is so many ways to counter the range, go figure out yourself.
I dont think arena is willing to revert back the ninja nerf on arrow’s velocity. Everyone was all complaining when it was firstly introduced. Hence, atm, new range suggestion is a No from me.
“The OP doesnt even know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW”.
This is not about know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW, this is about ranger not have risk in long range and be reward for it. Also, do differentiate between uplevel player make a class? No! Do differentiate between uplevel player make you a better player? No! Do differentiate between uplevel player matter? No!
See evidence of low level player vs up level player in wvw: Year 2013
Here is a new evidence where a player play all 8 class with level 10-22 vs level 80 player in wvw: Year 2015
You see now? It really do not matter how to differentiate any level in wvw: it is how you play matter
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I don’t get why this thread has gone so long. The OP doesnt even know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW.
The exaggeration posts are too “nmad” high here and need urgent clarify before it brainwash the new players.
a) There is NO 2000/1900/1700 range attack for any class.
b) 4.5k dmg on auto?? That only possible IF to pair up with Signet of Hunt+Wild + Opening Strike. + InvulAre you even realized if you are hitting a level 1 uplevel player?
Are you mistaken your opening strike for auto attack, that it was refresh instantly when your zerg killed that person instantly?
This is just a too kitten exaggerated statement, meaning you only need 5 arrows to kill a player? Do you seriously think arena allowed that? Just because ranger is slightly good in zerging, you wanna suggest this, but do you know how ranger was treated in other game mode?You want risk? Well, thats why ranger got “yttihs” melee weapon. Any experience thief see ranger as fresh meat.Just wait for you to be naked without stone signet, rampage, dodge, protect me, etc. There is so many ways to counter the range, go figure out yourself.
I dont think arena is willing to revert back the ninja nerf on arrow’s velocity. Everyone was all complaining when it was firstly introduced. Hence, atm, new range suggestion is a No from me.
“The OP doesnt even know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW”.
This is not about know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW, this is about ranger not have risk in long range and be reward for it. Also, do differentiate between uplevel player make a class? No! Do differentiate between uplevel player make you a better player? No! Do differentiate between uplevel player matter? No!
See evidence of low level player vs up level player in wvw: Year 2013
Here is a new evidence where a player play all 8 class with level 10-22 vs level 80 player in wvw: Year 2015
You see now? It really do not matter how to differentiate who is up level or no up level: it is all how you play matter
Actually it does matter.
Usually uplevels die in 1~2 seconds with 1 rapid fire, whereas a fully geared Warrior can tank it like a boss. If you lose to an uplevel, there’s really nothing more to say because it’s just plain pathetic. If you think zerg carrying uplevels = uplevels being good, clearly you’re not in a tier that’s even remotely competitive. Against an organized team, LB ranger will die to retaliation while not harming anyone during a zerg fight.
I don’t get why this thread has gone so long. The OP doesnt even know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW.
The exaggeration posts are too “nmad” high here and need urgent clarify before it brainwash the new players.
a) There is NO 2000/1900/1700 range attack for any class.
b) 4.5k dmg on auto?? That only possible IF to pair up with Signet of Hunt+Wild + Opening Strike. + InvulAre you even realized if you are hitting a level 1 uplevel player?
Are you mistaken your opening strike for auto attack, that it was refresh instantly when your zerg killed that person instantly?
This is just a too kitten exaggerated statement, meaning you only need 5 arrows to kill a player? Do you seriously think arena allowed that? Just because ranger is slightly good in zerging, you wanna suggest this, but do you know how ranger was treated in other game mode?You want risk? Well, thats why ranger got “yttihs” melee weapon. Any experience thief see ranger as fresh meat.Just wait for you to be naked without stone signet, rampage, dodge, protect me, etc. There is so many ways to counter the range, go figure out yourself.
I dont think arena is willing to revert back the ninja nerf on arrow’s velocity. Everyone was all complaining when it was firstly introduced. Hence, atm, new range suggestion is a No from me.
“The OP doesnt even know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW”.
This is not about know how to differentiate between uplevel player and lvl 80 players in WvW, this is about ranger not have risk in long range and be reward for it. Also, do differentiate between uplevel player make a class? No! Do differentiate between uplevel player make you a better player? No! Do differentiate between uplevel player matter? No!
See evidence of low level player vs up level player in wvw: Year 2013
Here is a new evidence where a player play all 8 class with level 10-22 vs level 80 player in wvw: Year 2015
You see now? It really do not matter how to differentiate any level in wvw: it is how you play matter
It does matter because it shows how little you know about the game. Balance decisions shouldn’t be made around people with that small amount of knowledge.
As for the videos you posted… Those really aren’t helping your case. All that shows is that a good player at a huge disadvantage can still beat a bad player. Or are you trying to claim uplevels are OP because there is video evidence of them killing bad players?
Everything has been ignored. Guardian can auto attack with staff in zerg play just supporting the commander and/or group. It is so bad at times that loot bags fall out of the sky like skittles. And I’m pretty sure a lot of people like those rainbow colored candies with the potential loot inside
Every class has some form of risk vs. reward and that is one thing Arena Net did a reasonable job at. Guardian for example usually cannot go full DPS and have the survivability nor the other way around. All classes usually pick and pull traits with gear then tune with sigils, food, runes, and accessories.
Along those lines until said player finds the comfort level or balance they are happy with. Some classes may appear to have an easier time whereas others do not (grass is always greener mentality or flavor of the month) but at the end of the day most classes are balanced ok.
Lastly – give credit where it is due. In some cases the player that just forced you to port may have actually just out played you. No harm in that. It is a game and we can’t all be running around insta gibbing one another with no virtual fatality…
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I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?
In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.
In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.
Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.
Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.
Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge
Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.
Consider change to ranger range arena net
I don’t know if you are troll or sarcastic or just a guardian that rungs a zerg build and complains to be snipped. Range is all ranger has if you get close you destroy the power ranger, there is no reason to remove 300 range, and LONGBOW has a meaning with longest shot possible.
YOUR arguments have no value because they have no:
- constructed answer why this range is bad
- how to fix it to benefit other things if you nerf the range
- how will you fix close range
- how will you fix mobility
- utility?
- pet ai?
Renting is not solving anything, bring solution and suggest bonuses how to trade 300 range for something useful on utility or mobility.
Range GS is boring and only unskilled players run it with LB. Give me reasonable exchange for 300 range and i give you my range. But then needs warrior nerfs to mobility and thief nerf on shortbow.
Because getting close to ranger is not a problem.
I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?
In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.
In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.
Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.
Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.
Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge
Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.
Consider change to ranger range arena net
I don’t know if you are troll or sarcastic or just a guardian that rungs a zerg build and complains to be snipped. Range is all ranger has if you get close you destroy the power ranger, there is no reason to remove 300 range, and LONGBOW has a meaning with longest shot possible.
YOUR arguments have no value because they have no:
- constructed answer why this range is bad
- how to fix it to benefit other things if you nerf the range
- how will you fix close range
- how will you fix mobility
- utility?
- pet ai?Renting is not solving anything, bring solution and suggest bonuses how to trade 300 range for something useful on utility or mobility.
Range GS is boring and only unskilled players run it with LB. Give me reasonable exchange for 300 range and i give you my range. But then needs warrior nerfs to mobility and thief nerf on shortbow.
Because getting close to ranger is not a problem.
I play other class but my main is Guardian because it is fun class and challenge class. I play ranger class when i am bored and want easy kill. I post about ranger range only! If you read my post, i describe why ranger range is bad. There should not be any trade off at all. You know that not everything you take need a trade off? Arena net adjusted Teleport in last patch, there was no trade-of. So not everything need trade off That is why i suggestion ranger range be 1300, so that mean no trade-off. 1500 range vs 1200 range is too much advantage for ranger, and also read this forum with link that give description of ranger spec. Ranger is not a weak class, they are very Powerful and should not be under-estimated. I see ranger player kill thief player all the time in wvw and pvp. I even have all ranger party in my server that find enemy thief player and kill them.
Here is thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Article-Discussing-Ranger-And-The-Meta/first#post4895936
So you see, 1300 range will not change anything in ranger but just range
(Again, the reason is to encourage ranger to be a challenge class. Not all class have gap closer like thief and warrior and elementalist, so that mean: they deserve to be treated the same challenge like them ).
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I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?
In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.
In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.
Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.
Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.
Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge
Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.
Consider change to ranger range arena net
I don’t know if you are troll or sarcastic or just a guardian that rungs a zerg build and complains to be snipped. Range is all ranger has if you get close you destroy the power ranger, there is no reason to remove 300 range, and LONGBOW has a meaning with longest shot possible.
YOUR arguments have no value because they have no:
- constructed answer why this range is bad
- how to fix it to benefit other things if you nerf the range
- how will you fix close range
- how will you fix mobility
- utility?
- pet ai?Renting is not solving anything, bring solution and suggest bonuses how to trade 300 range for something useful on utility or mobility.
Range GS is boring and only unskilled players run it with LB. Give me reasonable exchange for 300 range and i give you my range. But then needs warrior nerfs to mobility and thief nerf on shortbow.
Because getting close to ranger is not a problem.I play other class but my main is Guardian. I post about ranger range only! If you read my post, i describe why ranger range is bad. There should not be any trade off at all. You know that not everything you take need a trade off? Arena net adjusted Teleport in last patch, there was no trade-of. So not everything need trade off
Here is thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Article-Discussing-Ranger-And-The-Meta/first#post4895936
So you see, 1300 range will not change anything in ranger but just range
(Again, the reason is to encourage ranger to be a challenge class. Not all class have gap closer like thief and warrior and elementalist, so that mean: they deserve to be treated the same challenge like them ).
You don’t pay attention to counterarguments, your knowledge of game balance and game mechanics is laughable at best, and you don’t even know your own profession (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Judge%27s_Intervention).
I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?
In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.
In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.
Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.
Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.
Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge
Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.
Consider change to ranger range arena net
I don’t know if you are troll or sarcastic or just a guardian that rungs a zerg build and complains to be snipped. Range is all ranger has if you get close you destroy the power ranger, there is no reason to remove 300 range, and LONGBOW has a meaning with longest shot possible.
YOUR arguments have no value because they have no:
- constructed answer why this range is bad
- how to fix it to benefit other things if you nerf the range
- how will you fix close range
- how will you fix mobility
- utility?
- pet ai?Renting is not solving anything, bring solution and suggest bonuses how to trade 300 range for something useful on utility or mobility.
Range GS is boring and only unskilled players run it with LB. Give me reasonable exchange for 300 range and i give you my range. But then needs warrior nerfs to mobility and thief nerf on shortbow.
Because getting close to ranger is not a problem.I play other class but my main is Guardian. I post about ranger range only! If you read my post, i describe why ranger range is bad. There should not be any trade off at all. You know that not everything you take need a trade off? Arena net adjusted Teleport in last patch, there was no trade-of. So not everything need trade off
Here is thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Article-Discussing-Ranger-And-The-Meta/first#post4895936
So you see, 1300 range will not change anything in ranger but just range
(Again, the reason is to encourage ranger to be a challenge class. Not all class have gap closer like thief and warrior and elementalist, so that mean: they deserve to be treated the same challenge like them ).
You don’t pay attention to counterarguments, your knowledge of game balance and game mechanics is laughable at best, and you don’t even know your own profession (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Judge%27s_Intervention).
It have 45 second long cool-down vs ranger range 3/4 second almost instant cool-down
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Eagle_Eye +300 range
It have1200 range vs 1500 ranger range. You see the difference? You see the huge advantage? Do you see who is challenge and not challenge?
Last, do you see who have low risk no risk vs one with high risk?
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I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?
In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.
In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.
Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.
Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.
Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge
Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.
Consider change to ranger range arena net
I don’t know if you are troll or sarcastic or just a guardian that rungs a zerg build and complains to be snipped. Range is all ranger has if you get close you destroy the power ranger, there is no reason to remove 300 range, and LONGBOW has a meaning with longest shot possible.
YOUR arguments have no value because they have no:
- constructed answer why this range is bad
- how to fix it to benefit other things if you nerf the range
- how will you fix close range
- how will you fix mobility
- utility?
- pet ai?Renting is not solving anything, bring solution and suggest bonuses how to trade 300 range for something useful on utility or mobility.
Range GS is boring and only unskilled players run it with LB. Give me reasonable exchange for 300 range and i give you my range. But then needs warrior nerfs to mobility and thief nerf on shortbow.
Because getting close to ranger is not a problem.I play other class but my main is Guardian. I post about ranger range only! If you read my post, i describe why ranger range is bad. There should not be any trade off at all. You know that not everything you take need a trade off? Arena net adjusted Teleport in last patch, there was no trade-of. So not everything need trade off
Here is thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Article-Discussing-Ranger-And-The-Meta/first#post4895936
So you see, 1300 range will not change anything in ranger but just range
(Again, the reason is to encourage ranger to be a challenge class. Not all class have gap closer like thief and warrior and elementalist, so that mean: they deserve to be treated the same challenge like them ).
You don’t pay attention to counterarguments, your knowledge of game balance and game mechanics is laughable at best, and you don’t even know your own profession (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Judge%27s_Intervention).
It have 45 second long cool-down vs ranger range 3/4 second almost instant cool-down
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_ShotIt have1200 range vs 1500 ranger range. You see the difference? You see the huge advantage?
Last, do you see who have low risk no risk vs one with high risk?
You only need to use Judge’s Intervention once, and you have a dead ranger. Are you seriously too dense to see that, for the ranger, that is risk? The fact that letting anyone come within 1200 range of you will get you killed most of the time is huge risk. Traiting for longbow makes a ranger extremely fragile at close range, and every class can close that gap in less than 2.5 seconds. You are calling 2 free auto attacks a major, unfair advantage. That is why everyone is telling you that you are an inexperienced, unskilled player. Get it now?
This game is balanced around sPvP, not WvW, and in sPvP, longbows are almost worthless. For competitive play, 1500 range isn’t good enough. You’ve been told all of this before by at least a dozen players, but you aren’t listening. It’s getting tiresome; please, for our sake, learn to read.
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So let me put description of ranger article here so other can see how “almost worthless” ranger is with 1500 range.
The Power Ranger,
Over 60% crit chance
AOE Cripple (Barrage/Muddy Terrain)
Near total condition immunity (thanks to Survival Skills)
Fear (Wolf)
Knockdown (Wolf)
Long range Knockback (Point Blank Shot)
x3 Immobilize, two of which are AOE (Entangle/Muddy Terrain/Spider)
Stealth from Longbow and exceptional for escaping: Hunters Shot > Greatsword > Swoop)
Immunity for 6 seconds (Signet of Stone)
Immunity for 3 seconds (Counter attack)
Long duration daze (Hilt Bash)
Long duration cripple (Counter attack throw)
1500 attacking range
Auto attacks that consistently hit for over 1500 from 1500 range
Enormous spike damage from Rapid Fire, on a cooldown of only 10 seconds
High mobility when using Swoop + Rune of the Pack
An Elite on a 48 second cooldown (Entangle)Example: if mesmer and thief had 1500 range, it would be same “worthless”? Please tell that in mesmer forum and thief forum.
Here is some Ranger upgrade patch note:
“Read the Wind:
This trait now grants a 10% attack speed increase while wielding a longbow.
Signet of the Beastmaster:
This trait has been replaced by Predator’s Onslaught.* *All effects from that trait have been rolled into the baseline signet abilities.
Predator’s Onslaught:
Rangers deal 10% bonus damage to enemies suffering from inhibiting conditions (cripple, chill, immobilize). Pets deal 5% bonus damage to these enemies as well.
Strider’s Defense:
Increased the chance to block projectiles while executing melee attacks from 15% to 20%.
Rending Attacks:
This trait now affects all pets.
Intimidation Training:
This trait now affects all pet abilities that deal direct damage. This effect can only occur once per ability.
Stability Training:
Fixed a bug that caused this trait to never activate. This trait now affects all pets.
Sic ’Em:
Increased the duration of revealed from 4 seconds to 6 seconds.
Long Range Shot:
Increased damage at the 0-500 range by 17%. Increased damage at the 500-1000 range by 7%.
Rapid Fire:
Decreased casting time from 5 seconds to 2.5 seconds.
Barrage:
Reduced cast time by 0.6 seconds.
Power Stab:
Increased damage of this skill by 10%.
Maul:
Increased the range of this skill from 150 to 220. Increased the number of targets from 3 to 5.
Swoop:
The ranger now evades during the attack portion of the skill.
Counterattack:
Reduced the aftercast of the kick portion of this skill by 0.7 seconds.
Hilt Bash:
Increased stun and daze durations to 1.5 seconds.
Entangle:
Reduced recharge of this skill from 150 seconds to 60 seconds. Decreased the active duration of the roots from 20 seconds to 5.
Ricochet:
This skill now grants 3 seconds of might on hit.
Path of Scars:
Increased projectile velocity by 25%.https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-September-9-2014
You make ranger class class weak by using the word worthless. Ranger is very powerful class especially with range damage increase from patch.
Yet ranger is still nowhere nearly as strong as the “Meta classes”. And 1 v 1 LB ranger is still nowhere close to the top, because other 6 classes are all much more powerful than all these things you listed. Even you listed all the great advantage have, they still can’t win meta spec, and top players still would not use ranger because they tried and it failed them.
Keep being hypocritical. You can keep listing how strong ranger are, but they’re still not making into the Meta because other classes are just BETTER! If ALL CLASSES ARE OP, THEN NO CLASSES ARE OP!
I am not saying ranger is the most powerful than all other class, i am saying that ranger is very powerful class. I believe you about meta Let me ask you a question, why is ranger class afraid to have their ranger decrease a little? I play ranger too and i do die a lot by instant kill class when i play with short bow and when i get close. Is it because of that? Sometime i feel ranger short bow need 1200 range: would that help ranger class better? For trade off: longbow 1200-1300 and short-bow 1200 range?
Keep being hypocritical. You can keep listing how strong ranger are, but they’re still not making into the Meta because other classes are just BETTER! If ALL CLASSES ARE OP, THEN NO CLASSES ARE OP!
Added note: You can nerf ranger’s range, but you MUST come with compensation if you want to take away ranger’s only advantage because they’re nowhere near the top at the first place. If you decrease the range by 200, then take away the damage reduction from mid range and close range on LB auto-attack. I’ll call it even because you want us to have more risk by staying in closer range.
Not entirely true then it start to get in to vagueness of builds that counter too many other builds and such, but all in all I don’t see them doing much to the longbow at all short term or long unless they change out whoever is setting the professions direction and design philosophies (possible for the second or third time).
If the extra ranged that most (if not all the projectiles and many non-projectiles have) in the have is the real issue then that I could see might need addressing. If it just a couple of maps in spvp or locations in wvw then just take it as one of those things that you need to think about before engaging in those scenarios.
I am not saying ranger is the most powerful than all other class, i am saying that ranger is very powerful class. I believe you about meta
They double-tap shortbow (once as an animation fix) as the second time just so that the longbow would look better/have a purpose. For most it isn’t about fear it is about completely losing the option, because the next thing would be complains about the now OP Shortbow if the change you suggested came to pass. The longbow really seeing play outside of the silliness that is the warrior version is still a very new thing (especially with the snails pace that is balance patches) people generally both want and hate change. They state that they hate the meta and hate exploits, but cry nerf and destruction of the (insert name of profession here).
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Darksyze, as my main is a meditation guardian I could give you plenty of advice on how to counter longbow rangers. If you would post your build (using gw2skills.net) I could give you some pointers. In fact, your best bet would of been to go to the guardian forums and open up a topic asking for advice on how to deal with longbow rangers, instead of requesting nerfs that will never happen.
The range is very easily negated through a Judge’s Intervention and Flashing Blade (sword teleport) or Leap of Faith (greatsword leap). Also, Flashing Blade/Leap of Faith blinds the target so there’s a chance the ranger will try to use Poing Blank Shot or Hunter’s Shot and miss.
If you can’t beat a longbow ranger after closing the gap either the issue lies with the build you’re using or simply the skill you have. In either case, I really doubt that 200 less range would help you in any way win the fight. Ask for advice, listen to the advice and apply it to your skill set. Asking for nerfs of a profession that beat you will in no way make you a better player.
This is the build i use: a heal build because that is what Guardian class is
http://www.gw2db.com/skill-builds/575-heal-guard
I do not have very high gear+accessories but i am almost there like: ascended.
I would like to try your meditation build and your advice
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Darksyze, as my main is a meditation guardian I could give you plenty of advice on how to counter longbow rangers. If you would post your build (using gw2skills.net) I could give you some pointers. In fact, your best bet would of been to go to the guardian forums and open up a topic asking for advice on how to deal with longbow rangers, instead of requesting nerfs that will never happen.
The range is very easily negated through a Judge’s Intervention and Flashing Blade (sword teleport) or Leap of Faith (greatsword leap). Also, Flashing Blade/Leap of Faith blinds the target so there’s a chance the ranger will try to use Poing Blank Shot or Hunter’s Shot and miss.
If you can’t beat a longbow ranger after closing the gap either the issue lies with the build you’re using or simply the skill you have. In either case, I really doubt that 200 less range would help you in any way win the fight. Ask for advice, listen to the advice and apply it to your skill set. Asking for nerfs of a profession that beat you will in no way make you a better player.
This is the build i use: a heal build because that is what Guardian class is
http://www.gw2db.com/skill-builds/575-heal-guard
I do not have very high gear+accessories but i am almost there like: ascended.
I would like to try your meditation build and your advice
Well, that explains a lot…
Fault 1, the Guardian class is what you make of it. Since there is no primary healing meta in the game, nor tanking, you get to mix and match for your comfort.
Fault 2, The URL/Build you posted, it is dated 2012. Game has changed as did the supporting Guardian builds.
I’d seriously recommend going back to the Guardian form and spend more time there asking for help rather than telling this forum how OP they are. Heck, search for the healaway build, it is a good place to start. Most build off of that.
Darksyze, as my main is a meditation guardian I could give you plenty of advice on how to counter longbow rangers. If you would post your build (using gw2skills.net) I could give you some pointers. In fact, your best bet would of been to go to the guardian forums and open up a topic asking for advice on how to deal with longbow rangers, instead of requesting nerfs that will never happen.
The range is very easily negated through a Judge’s Intervention and Flashing Blade (sword teleport) or Leap of Faith (greatsword leap). Also, Flashing Blade/Leap of Faith blinds the target so there’s a chance the ranger will try to use Poing Blank Shot or Hunter’s Shot and miss.
If you can’t beat a longbow ranger after closing the gap either the issue lies with the build you’re using or simply the skill you have. In either case, I really doubt that 200 less range would help you in any way win the fight. Ask for advice, listen to the advice and apply it to your skill set. Asking for nerfs of a profession that beat you will in no way make you a better player.
This is the build i use: a heal build because that is what Guardian class is
http://www.gw2db.com/skill-builds/575-heal-guard
I do not have very high gear+accessories but i am almost there like: ascended.
I would like to try your meditation build and your advice
Well, that explains a lot…
Fault 1, the Guardian class is what you make of it. Since there is no primary healing meta in the game, nor tanking, you get to mix and match for your comfort.
Fault 2, The URL/Build you posted, it is dated 2012. Game has changed as did the supporting Guardian builds.
I’d seriously recommend going back to the Guardian form and spend more time there asking for help rather than telling this forum how OP they are. Heck, search for the healaway build, it is a good place to start. Most build off of that.
I understand and Thank You! Crapgame: it is my duty like you to report problem to Arena net so they can investigate and do research. I am not telling this forum how Op they are but asking for make ranger class challenge. If Guardian class had same problem: i would report same to Arena net. I am not picking on ranger class like some player say i am: again i am just asking for Arena net to make ranger class challenge, that is all.
Every player experience is important in this game, as long they want challenge-risk+reward and fun.
If you see the same for Guardian class: i will not be angry at you or make you feel not important: because you are important like all of us player. We player are community- community help each other feel important, no matter differences. And also, not everyone experience in the community is same and we need to respect that. Just because you do not see a problem, do not mean there is not a problem. That is why it is important for Arena net to investigate and see if there is real problem and to give us player result from investigation so we will not get angry at each other for a long time
Example: it is like have 2 brothers/2 sisters arguing about how is right and who is wrong, so the parent step in and resolve it.
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Darksyze, as my main is a meditation guardian I could give you plenty of advice on how to counter longbow rangers. If you would post your build (using gw2skills.net) I could give you some pointers. In fact, your best bet would of been to go to the guardian forums and open up a topic asking for advice on how to deal with longbow rangers, instead of requesting nerfs that will never happen.
The range is very easily negated through a Judge’s Intervention and Flashing Blade (sword teleport) or Leap of Faith (greatsword leap). Also, Flashing Blade/Leap of Faith blinds the target so there’s a chance the ranger will try to use Poing Blank Shot or Hunter’s Shot and miss.
If you can’t beat a longbow ranger after closing the gap either the issue lies with the build you’re using or simply the skill you have. In either case, I really doubt that 200 less range would help you in any way win the fight. Ask for advice, listen to the advice and apply it to your skill set. Asking for nerfs of a profession that beat you will in no way make you a better player.
This is the build i use: a heal build because that is what Guardian class is
http://www.gw2db.com/skill-builds/575-heal-guard
I do not have very high gear+accessories but i am almost there like: ascended.
I would like to try your meditation build and your advice
Well, that explains a lot…
Fault 1, the Guardian class is what you make of it. Since there is no primary healing meta in the game, nor tanking, you get to mix and match for your comfort.
Fault 2, The URL/Build you posted, it is dated 2012. Game has changed as did the supporting Guardian builds.
I’d seriously recommend going back to the Guardian form and spend more time there asking for help rather than telling this forum how OP they are. Heck, search for the healaway build, it is a good place to start. Most build off of that.
I understand and Thank You!
Every player experience is important in this game, as long they want challenge-risk+reward and fun.
If you see the same for Guardian class: i will not be angry at you or make you feel not important: because you are important like all of us player. We player are community- community help each other feel important, no matter differences. And also, not everyone experience in the community is same and we need to respect that. Just because you do not see a problem, do not mean there is not a problem. That is why it is important for Arena net to investigate and see if there is real problem and to give us player result from investigation so we will not get angry at each other for a long time
Example: it is like have 2 brothers/2 sisters arguing about how is right and who is wrong and than the parent step in and resolve it.
So just to be clear, you are going to completely disregard all of the players that have stated they have no problem beating a longbow ranger 1v1, you are going to ignore every argument rangers have made listing the counters that other classes can bring against the longbow, and you are just going to decide rangers have no challenge.
And your whole argument is based on the fact that rangers have no challenge beating you, a player who knowingly chooses to run a completely outdated, healing build, instead of running skills that would not only make you all around more useful but would also give you a huge advantage while fighting a ranger.
This is your argument…..