Guild Wars 2

Woot!

Amazing Ideas.

nice.
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Nice, perhaps just delete the thief class, will save lots of work for future nerfs.

Only for 500 karma too…

wut?
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So excited to see this in action, everyone will have 250 of them lol.

I’m assuming that is the effect of the new anti-stealth trap?

so 15 badges and 525 karma to buy a trap that takes 4s to place costing 10 supply to do so that will reveal 20 targets for 30s…
I thought it was going to be worse. It doesn’t seem to usable on a small scale unless you spend a while waiting to ambush someone.

What you’ll see fighting enemy thieves is shadow refuge, then the enemy thief dropping a stealth trap while stealthed (the 4 seconds to drop trap will be uninterrupted unless you can fear or knock the thief out, unless getting hit interrupts dropping traps).

Already leveling another class until this gets sorted out.

Traps are sold by the vendor for 15 badges and 525 karma; they will stack to 250 and are account-bound.
It takes a 4-second channel to place at feet.
Placing a trap uses very short-range ground targeting to assist in orientation.
Placed traps have a 600×90 rectangular trigger area; only enemies can trigger them.
Once triggered, traps affect up to 20 enemies within a range of 1200.
Traps cost 10 supply to place.

Grimwolf.7163:

I’m assuming that is the effect of the new anti-stealth trap?

Yeah, 10 supply to remove up to 20 people from stealth for 30 seconds.

Sigmoid.7082:

so 15 badges and 525 karma to buy a trap that takes 4s to place costing 10 supply to do so that will reveal 20 targets for 30s…
I thought it was going to be worse. It doesn’t seem to usable on a small scale unless you spend a while waiting to ambush someone.

Not usable in small scale? It takes 1 person to place each trap and everybody can use 1.

• When placed, traps last for one hour.
• Players may only have one of a given trap type deployed at a time.
• Traps will disappear when a player leaves the map.
• Traps are sold by the vendor for 15 badges and 525 karma; they will stack to 250 and are account-bound.
• It takes a 4-second channel to place at feet.
• Placing a trap uses very short-range ground targeting to assist in orientation.
• Placed traps have a 600×90 rectangular trigger area; only enemies can trigger them.
• Once triggered, traps affect up to 20 enemies within a range of 1200.
• Traps cost 10 supply to place.

Let’s lobby for traps that remove protection/regen/stability and make the player immune to them for 30s.

Oh, also, one that renders block and invulnerability usesless for 30s.

I thought of trying out WvW for a change of pace.

Now I will never go there in a million years.

GG.

…What the hell were they thinking? Remove Stealth for a full 30 seconds on basically EVERYONE within 1200 YARDS? And the trap stays in place for a full HOUR?
Those things will be EVERYWHERE around any keeps or camps or… basically anything important.

Grimwolf.7163:

…What the hell were they thinking? Remove Stealth for a full 30 seconds on basically EVERYONE within 1200 YARDS? And the trap stays in place for a full HOUR?
Those things will be EVERYWHERE around any keeps or camps or… basically anything important.

All we can do now is relentlessly hunt down and destroy any scrubs that use these stupid things for revenge.

Start deleting your Thieves. This is as kittening stupid as Arena net can get. They should’ve buffed arrow carts more.

I really don’t know how to feel about this.

They do have quite a high cost but 30 seconds revealed means the thief is out of commission for that time if they use a stealth build and the only other viable non stealth build out there is that Flanking strike spammer.

Stealth is the thieves strongest and pretty much only defense if they actually want to do damage, sure they can spam dodges but there would be no initiative left to actually attack.

No stealth for a thief is:

No burst for a thief
No defense for a thief
No escape for a thief

No other classes have traps specifically out there to render them useless, even if it is at a high cost.

Stupid idea, who thought stopping a class using it’s primary defense was a good plan? What color is the sky on their planet?

We should also lobby for traps that remove pets and remove defensive skills like endure pain for 30 seconds.

Cost is too low, benefit too large.

No real info with it either. Once the trap is triggered does it just bam any one in the 1200 range is affected….what about los? Or does it linger like a rangers fire trap?

Oh, come on! Some of you guys really think you’re the center of the universe… Newsflash: the world doesn’t revolve around the thief.

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

“Shawtell what the hell are you doing get over here and fight!”
“Cant sorry guys, revealed for the next 30 seconds, have fun….ooooo that looks like it hurt……”

how many traps can be set on a map at once? because this is enough traps to secure an entire area..from just thieves. Yknow what though, im still gunna go in there and do wvw in spite of this nerf. Even though 30 sec is a freakin LONG time.

Does that reveal only last within the trap radius, or are you revealed when you leave?

Aveneo.2068:

Oh, come on! Some of you guys really think you’re the center of the universe… Newsflash: the world doesn’t revolve around the thief.

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

Shortsighted much? Ranger cat pets? Thieves? It effects many things.

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

The thief isn’t the center of the universe.

Caom.9251:

No stealth for a thief is:

No burst for a thief
No defense for a thief
No escape for a thief

No other classes have traps specifically out there to render them useless, even if it is at a high cost.

No stealth is okay.. Because thieves have the highest power; the most moblity; and the highest defense in the game. Lul. Stupid Arena net. Keep nerfing thieves

You could always roam the map naked to disable those traps before starting to play for real.

30 seconds is ridiculously long. So much for thief survivability.

Aveneo.2068:

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

The thief isn’t the center of the universe.

The they should limit the cap on Veil if that’s their purpose. No where does it say that is the point of the traps. If thieves get caught in the trap they are useless for 30 seconds and most likely dead.

PearlGore.7419:

Aveneo.2068:

Oh, come on! Some of you guys really think you’re the center of the universe… Newsflash: the world doesn’t revolve around the thief.

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

Shortsighted much? Ranger cat pets? Thieves? It effects many things.

I said main purpose. L2read.

What if you arent stealthed and trigger it?

Of course the problem is it takes 4 seconds to place those traps, so once you see a veil it will be too late.

Daecollo.9578:

Of course the problem is it takes 4 seconds to place those traps, so once you see a veil it will be too late.

They last for an hour. It can be placed beforehand with proper scouting.

we want instant cast and lower the karma and the badges !

Dr Zoidberg.2046:

Daecollo.9578:

Of course the problem is it takes 4 seconds to place those traps, so once you see a veil it will be too late.

They last for an hour. It can be placed beforehand with proper scouting.

Yes, but an organized zerg can just send a stealth thief in to disarm it before they send the 100 people in.

It punishes roamers more then anything else, Veilers can pretty much ignore it.

Aveneo.2068:

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

The thief isn’t the center of the universe.

What’s your basis … other than to be contrary.

I say this was made to stop a thief from being able to harass through repeated use of c&d.

Which is ok. But 30 seconds??? That’s insane.

Aveneo.2068:

PearlGore.7419:

Aveneo.2068:

Oh, come on! Some of you guys really think you’re the center of the universe… Newsflash: the world doesn’t revolve around the thief.

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

Shortsighted much? Ranger cat pets? Thieves? It effects many things.

I said main purpose. L2read.

Noone cares about the purpose. Its the actual impact effect that matters. And it WILL be abused in fights vs thiefs.

lolol, this is ridiculous. I never come on here and rant/complain but, really 30 seconds?!? How long does it take to burst a thief?

So I’m now in search of some new power s/d builds. On the plus side, I will still own people with impunity with or without stealth. I have faith the rest of my thief brethren will too.

New slogan, “Next Nerf?”

Issues.5789:

Aveneo.2068:

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

The thief isn’t the center of the universe.

The they should limit the cap on Veil if that’s their purpose. No where does it say that is the point of the traps. If thieves get caught in the trap they are useless for 30 seconds and most likely dead.

Good, they could use the experience of dying when they kitten up, just like all the other classes.

So maybe now thieves actually have to start using their brain and don’t rush in blindly with the shocktroops but stay behind and … I don’t know … sneak in once all the warriors and guardians rush in and spring all the traps? You know, like a thief…?

So, if I want to stand still in my trap waiting for a thief who can’t run away (those exist?! lol), I can waste

• PvP Badgets
• Karma
• Supply
• Time waiting for a thief to jump me in the middle of nowhere
  • Note: if a non-stealther hits it, whoops

Yeah, this completely breaks the thief class, you might as well just never play thief and tell ArenaNet to remove it from the game

Honestly, I’m simply curious how good this makes Ranger pets. They could be great at triggering this before a zerg uses veil(s) to stealth in to the enemy’s defended position.

Decoy will still work though lols. Why not have 2 reveal like they have 2 stealth. Mesmer and thief stealth. and they can stop zerg stealthing.

This is huge nerf to thief in wvw.

Glad I don’t wvw much as it is…

IT’S RIDICULOUS!

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I’m not one to complain, every patch that has nerfed thief, I’ve said “screw it i’ll adapt” but wtfanet? I read a lot of people saying “your taking our only defense away” this is true. But what people are forgetting is that for 30 seconds they will also be taking our main burst damage, what are we suppose to do? Spam heartseaker? Spam auto? Of course this only applies to d/d builds. Just bewilders me that anet preaches about dynamic fights, but in this one they’re making the thief almost useless.

I can’t wait to see people drop this whenever they see me, Only to find out the only Stealth I have is my heal.

TooBz.3065:

Aveneo.2068:

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

The thief isn’t the center of the universe.

What’s your basis … other than to be contrary.

I say this was made to stop a thief from being able to harass through repeated use of c&d.

Which is ok. But 30 seconds??? That’s insane.

My basis is the fact that thieves believe they own copyrights on anything related to stealth. I just throw some cold water in their faces and tell them to wake up.

Remember that this trap requires supply and 4s to be placed. So it’s not something you drop at your feet on a whim just because a thief starts to c&d all over the place.

Trust me, I don’t need traps to deal with thieves.

So to me this change simply serves as a deterrent against the zerg mentality where everyone just blindly rushes into a keep with Mesmer’s slamming down Veil in front.

Welp. For all my previous posts, this is gonna hit thieves hard. Much harder than I thought at first.

I’m sure that it is based more on stopping things like Veil zergs, but this will hit a large percentage of thieves very hard, because of how much thieves are incentivized / forced to build into stealth. So if they hit a stealth trap, any build with stealth as a focal point (including Stealth 1 attacks) is going to be hobbled for 30 seconds.

It’s the 30 seconds that gets me. It just seems way too long to force a build out of a fight. I thought it would be area-based (Revealed while you’re in this 1200 radius area) or a lot shorter.

My condolences go out to others hit by this change, but I figured I should eat crow here.

Edit: I know stealth isn’t exclusive to thieves. I’ve argued that point with others recently, in fact! But I also held that thieves probably had the best access and benefits from using stealth. So it makes sense that a thief forum would be watching this particularly closely, since while they’re not the only ones affected, there’s a larger portion of thieves that will be affected than any other class.

Wait a minute, so… By giving a relatively easily accessible item with which anyone can effectively and completely counter one of the most useful aspects of the thief’s class, players will be forced to look for new and less stealth-reliant ways to play their class effectively.

Right?

Hmm… Yeah I knew something didn’t sound right there. I will admit, I’m no expert, but if after 8 months the community STILL hasn’t found a way to make the thief useful OTHER than as a stealth assassin… Maybe they should be looking into that too?

What I’m saying is, people need to stop crying about nerfs to their class, but equally, I think it must be taken into consideration WHY people are so defensive. Stealth is a very contentious issue for the thief, and I guess it revolves around this question: Is stealth the only thing that makes a thief worthwhile?

Evidently a lot of the playerbase (and thieves themselves) seem to think so, or would like to think so. The issue here is not one about the “purpose” of these traps, but the consequences it will have, regardless of who it was targeted at. Many seem to feel that the thief is being neutered with all this stealth shenanigans. Not many folks like the prospect of being a eunuch.

Alas… Time vill tell. Time vill tell.

(Also I think a big part of the problem is that people who play MMOs are in many cases autistic kittentards, discuss.)

Please drop here a line if this was finally a GOOD patch for you.

i am happy, since i play a pve thief