Guild Wars 2

I just entered the game for the first time since the update. I managed to get the Action Cam working, and really enjoy the concept.

From just playing with it a few minutes, two things seem to happen with Heartseeker, though my lag really kept me from telling if it is working as normal…

1. A second Heartseeker can be performed in a different direction immediatly following the first. There’s no need to give a slight pause between them. That’s the good news.

2. The bad news… pointing the camera down does not shorten the Heartseeker’s leap, making it much more difficult to jump inside Black Powder multiple times.

Can anyone else confirm this with the Action Cam on? I REALLY want to love it, but the second issue makes me second guess it. Thanks!

EDIT:
Has anyone found any other issues with the Thief’s Action Cam? Please share.

There’s also a also problem with steal, it goes on full cooldown when you’re out of range and infiltrator’s strike does not work most of the time (to clarify, when you target someone, it conducts the skill as if you had no target so it’s just an awkward stationary infiltrator’s strike) even if you’re in line of sight.

Interesting. Thank you.
I just changed the topic title to reflect issues with the Thief in general.
Maybe we’ll get more reports.

AlCojester.4316:

There’s also a also problem with steal, it goes on full cooldown when you’re out of range and infiltrator’s strike does not work most of the time even if you’re in line of sight.

Steals been buggy regardless of cam for me lately. Pathing is extra messed up again and been putting my Steal on full CD w/o shadowstepping me in both normal and action camera while IN range for me, with enemy targeted of course. Line of sight has always been horrible anyways ever since they added the restrictions.

My main gripe with action camera atm is not being able to aim at my feet. I wanna Vault Goomba Stomp in place lotta the times, especially when fighting bosses pve.

@Doggie
Really? kitten … I was in HotM just then testing on dummies and 10/10 times on normal camera is just a 5 sec cooldown for out of range steal for me. I think I’ll be using normal camera until they’ll fix these issues.

HotM is generally flat terrain in that area. Tiny changes in elevation or small pebbles will cause Steal to pull out a tiny dagger and seppuku.

Doggie.3184:

Tiny changes in elevation or small pebbles will cause Steal to pull out a tiny dagger and seppuku.

I so want that animation!
Surely, it is more honorable for Thief to die by his own blade than that of his enemy!

Normally: When you have a target selected and you are running away (facing away) and you use Shortbow 3 (disabling shot) your character performs an animation that is quickly turning and shooting back at your target but evades in the direction you were running (away from your target).
With Action Cam: When you lock a target (right click) and run away from your target and use shortbow 3… you just awekwardly shoot in front of you and evade backward toward your target.

I hope this makes sense to everyone as I know most people don’t even realize thief can normally do this, but it is VERY helpful and action cam stops it from working.

EDIT: I found that using the “look behind” hotkey before using SB 3 allows it to work properly, but that’s almost to difficult to be worth it. Very clunky feeling and can not see where you are going. Useful to do it this way only if the target is too far away to see what you need to evade (long distance projectile)

Adinay.2589:

Normally: When you have a target selected and you are running away (facing away) and you use Shortbow 3 (disabling shot) your character performs an animation that is quickly turning and shooting back at your target but evades in the direction you were running (away from your target).
With Action Cam: When you lock a target (right click) and run away from your target and use shortbow 3… you just awekwardly shoot in front of you and evade backward toward your target.

I hope this makes sense to everyone as I know most people don’t even realize thief can normally do this, but it is VERY helpful and action cam stops it from working.

EDIT: I found that using the “look behind” hotkey before using SB 3 allows it to work properly, but that’s almost to difficult to be worth it. Very clunky feeling and can not see where you are going. Useful to do it this way only if the target is too far away to see what you need to evade (long distance projectile)

Thats intentional actually.

Following anet logic, you are not supposed to use skills behind you. (even tough they always worked that way.

On a note, “Rever Withdraw” trick doesnt work with action camera.
Since your character is on a permanent free camera state.

Tough, you can use withdraw to run away. Assuming you are facing the opponent and holding S to run, withdraw will always send the player “in the direction of the screen”.

Thanks for the details Joel. I just tried turning on auto-targeting and shadowsteps (Infiltrator’s Signet and sword’s Infiltrator’s Strike) now work fine. They did not work with auto-targeting off. Steal, as others have mentioned, does not work either way.

I also tried Revenant’s Phase Retreat, and it does not work regardless of whether auto-targeting is turned on – it simply fails to activate and says that a target is needed. It works when action camera is turned off.

Does anyone know what happens with Guardian shadowsteps (Judge’s Intervention and sword #2)? Are there any other targeted shadowsteps I am forgetting?

Ah, thank you so much, Mr. Joel… for everything you’ve done! I’m really enjoying the Action Cam!

If I may ask, would you consider implementing an option where the camera actually follows/tracks the target (keeping the target centered) like some flight sims have? While we can do it manually, it would be wonderful to have it done automatically with a key toggle.

Joel Helmich.7398:

pointing the camera down does not shorten the Heartseeker’s leap, making it much more difficult to jump inside Black Powder multiple times.

The behavior you want is almost certainly a bug in the first place, so I’m not sure what to tell you.

Oh, interesting. Thank you.
Yeah, in case you’re not aware, with the normal camera, Thieves can point the camera straight down to cut their Heartseekers very short… as long as there is no target selected. It allows us to leap through Black Powder up to 4 times, allowing us to extend our Stealth duration for a few more seconds… which we really do need just to survive. It becomes second nature to point the camera down, it seems.

I used the Snap to Target function for a while but in the end didn’t like it because it was making it harder to hit moving enemies at range. Any chance aiming straight down could just be added without having to snap to target? ;/

Doggie.3184:

I used the Snap to Target function for a while but in the end didn’t like it because it was making it harder to hit moving enemies at range. Any chance aiming straight down could just be added without having to snap to target? ;/

As far as i know there is a key bind for snap ground target. Hold down the keybind, look at your feet, spam use vault, there you go.

Kageseigi.2150:

Ah, thank you so much, Mr. Joel… for everything you’ve done! I’m really enjoying the Action Cam!

If I may ask, would you consider implementing an option where the camera actually follows/tracks the target (keeping the target centered) like some flight sims have? While we can do it manually, it would be wonderful to have it done automatically with a key toggle.

Joel Helmich.7398:

pointing the camera down does not shorten the Heartseeker’s leap, making it much more difficult to jump inside Black Powder multiple times.

The behavior you want is almost certainly a bug in the first place, so I’m not sure what to tell you.

Oh, interesting. Thank you.
Yeah, in case you’re not aware, with the normal camera, Thieves can point the camera straight down to cut their Heartseekers very short… as long as there is no target selected. It allows us to leap through Black Powder up to 4 times, allowing us to extend our Stealth duration for a few more seconds… which we really do need just to survive. It becomes second nature to point the camera down, it seems.

If it’s really a bug, it hasn’t been addressed since launch, and it shouldn’t be. If you change it, it’s a huge nerf to an already suffering class.

Joel, I believe the problem with infiltrator signet AlCojester is describing is the same as I described in the other/wrong thread

It normally teleports towards the target regardless of the direction the character is facing, with action cam it does not.

Quadox.7834:

Doggie.3184:

I used the Snap to Target function for a while but in the end didn’t like it because it was making it harder to hit moving enemies at range. Any chance aiming straight down could just be added without having to snap to target? ;/

As far as i know there is a key bind for snap ground target. Hold down the keybind, look at your feet, spam use vault, there you go.

Umm, no. That just wastes time on a class that can’t afford to waste time in combat when 1 hit can kill you. They could just patch it to let me aim down normally and problem solved.

Action Cam is not for Thief IMO. It’s unreliable and it makes my game play messy.

However, with my Ranger (and perhaps with other ranged professions) it is working flawlessly.

One thing I would like to see is the ability to chance the crosshair — the dot is nice but I prefer a circle.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Action Cam is not for Thief IMO. It’s unreliable and it makes my game play messy.

However, with my Ranger (and perhaps with other ranged professions) it is working flawlessly.

One thing I would like to see is the ability to chance the crosshair — the dot is nice but I prefer a circle.

Depends on YOU personally. For me I feel 100% faster, a lot more accuracy and response time, easier movement, etc. I am using Staff and P/P though so haven’t tried it with D/P exploit play a whole lot if that’s the reason it suffers for some. I did however find heartseeker more reliable for dropping target and creating distance w/o accidently flying in wrong direction. Now if they’d just fix my one need for it I’ll be happy.

Doggie.3184:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Action Cam is not for Thief IMO. It’s unreliable and it makes my game play messy.

However, with my Ranger (and perhaps with other ranged professions) it is working flawlessly.

One thing I would like to see is the ability to chance the crosshair — the dot is nice but I prefer a circle.

Depends on YOU personally. For me I feel 100% faster, a lot more accuracy and response time, easier movement, etc. I am using Staff and P/P though so haven’t tried it with D/P exploit play a whole lot if that’s the reason it suffers for some. I did however find heartseeker more reliable for dropping target and creating distance w/o accidently flying in wrong direction. Now if they’d just fix my one need for it I’ll be happy.

I used Staff+P/P too and vaulting with ActCam on is messy. I can’t vault to the right to force my target to turn, for example, while facing my target since I have to move the camera. In general, ground targetting is a mess.

In comparison, the game Smite has the best Action Camera because while the crosshair remains at the center, you can move the ground targetting along the line between you and your target. Less clunky and less messy.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Doggie.3184:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Action Cam is not for Thief IMO. It’s unreliable and it makes my game play messy.

However, with my Ranger (and perhaps with other ranged professions) it is working flawlessly.

One thing I would like to see is the ability to chance the crosshair — the dot is nice but I prefer a circle.

Depends on YOU personally. For me I feel 100% faster, a lot more accuracy and response time, easier movement, etc. I am using Staff and P/P though so haven’t tried it with D/P exploit play a whole lot if that’s the reason it suffers for some. I did however find heartseeker more reliable for dropping target and creating distance w/o accidently flying in wrong direction. Now if they’d just fix my one need for it I’ll be happy.

I used Staff+P/P too and vaulting with ActCam on is messy. I can’t vault to the right to force my target to turn, for example, while facing my target since I have to move the camera. In general, ground targetting is a mess.

In comparison, the game Smite has the best Action Camera because while the crosshair remains at the center, you can move the ground targetting along the line between you and your target. Less clunky and less messy.

It doesn’t take much to turn your camera toward the location though. I have pretty high mouse sensitivity and camera speed so I haven’t had a problem with aiming vault any direction or doing a full 180 to retreat.

Doggie.3184:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Doggie.3184:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Action Cam is not for Thief IMO. It’s unreliable and it makes my game play messy.

However, with my Ranger (and perhaps with other ranged professions) it is working flawlessly.

One thing I would like to see is the ability to chance the crosshair — the dot is nice but I prefer a circle.

Depends on YOU personally. For me I feel 100% faster, a lot more accuracy and response time, easier movement, etc. I am using Staff and P/P though so haven’t tried it with D/P exploit play a whole lot if that’s the reason it suffers for some. I did however find heartseeker more reliable for dropping target and creating distance w/o accidently flying in wrong direction. Now if they’d just fix my one need for it I’ll be happy.

I used Staff+P/P too and vaulting with ActCam on is messy. I can’t vault to the right to force my target to turn, for example, while facing my target since I have to move the camera. In general, ground targetting is a mess.

In comparison, the game Smite has the best Action Camera because while the crosshair remains at the center, you can move the ground targetting along the line between you and your target. Less clunky and less messy.

It doesn’t take much to turn your camera toward the location though. I have pretty high mouse sensitivity and camera speed so I haven’t had a problem with aiming vault any direction or doing a full 180 to retreat.

Yeah, it might take time to get used to it and I like the fact that it’s optional.

After playing around a bit, it basically comes down to:
I love how ground targeting works with action cam,
I hate how targeted skills work with action cam.

If I had full control over the set up, I’d turn mouse look and quick cast on so I don’t have to hold the mouse button, give myself a little dot cross hair for aiming ground target skills and targeting players, and everything else would work the exact same as in normal mode.

All the aiming stuff with the crosshair gets in the way and screws with how skills work and target the wrong player. If I’m “locked” on to a player, I expect to be locked on, not change targets because I’m not looking at them… Currently locking on to someone basically does nothing, its not what I would call locked anyway. It will change targets anyway…

tl;dr: action cam does too much

I also have a conplain about the whole crosshair stuff.

If I have a target locked I want attack the locked target ONLY.
Or I wouldn’t had bothered selecting it at all.