Guild Wars 2

Umut.5471:

I completely agree. Also that daze spamming thieves are annoying on PvP.
Needs a nerf and an alternative build to compensate. Mesmers need damage nerf too.

Wait a sec…
Your problem are “daze spamming thieves” in PvP? lmao
I think your problem goes deeper. You can only “spam” headshot (4ini iwth a 1/4sec duration). Steal and basi-venom have cd´s from 20sec to 40sec. Pls don´t say you get killed by headshot alone (together with AA).

T raw.4658:

I remember a d/d thief I dueled once. When I fought him with D/P he just got ran over. Eventually he refused to fight if i was using D/P because it was lame. Now I wasn’t using SA at the time but 2 6 0 0 6 build. He whined a lot. He complained about it.

BTW he was running full SA…..

So? D/D shouldn’t have a chance against D/P, especially if the D/P thief is heartseekering all around the place as D/D needs to land CnD to stealth. SA wasn’t and isn’t op, especially if you can’t stealth because your opponent is in a smoke field or jumping around, or interrupting you, which x66xx D/D thieves couldn’t do.
Just to get that straight – D/P is the direct counter to D/D.

I can still kill some of them because I outplay and outdamage them, but at the moment a lot of wvw is really wonky, so it’s really hard to tell what’s skill and what’s bug.

Jana.6831:

T raw.4658:

I remember a d/d thief I dueled once. When I fought him with D/P he just got ran over. Eventually he refused to fight if i was using D/P because it was lame. Now I wasn’t using SA at the time but 2 6 0 0 6 build. He whined a lot. He complained about it.

BTW he was running full SA…..

So? D/D shouldn’t have a chance against D/P, especially if the D/P thief is heartseekering all around the place as D/D needs to land CnD to stealth. SA wasn’t and isn’t op, especially if you can’t stealth because your opponent is in a smoke field or jumping around, or interrupting you, which x66xx D/D thieves couldn’t do.
Just to get that straight – D/P is the direct counter to D/D.

I can still kill some of them because I outplay and outdamage them, but at the moment a lot of wvw is really wonky, so it’s really hard to tell what’s skill and what’s bug.

D/D can beat D/P. Does D/P have an advantage over DP? Yes it does but not a hard counter like a lot of DD thieves like to announce to the world.

Try running scorp wire ^^ remember 1 good burst and any thief is basically downed.

We need to stop the interclass QQ because its only going to hurt the Thief class as a whole. Remember when S/D was absolutely face roll? I didn’t respect the evade/3 spam ppl who abused the kitten out of it. Nope you know why? Because as a class the thief was on a downward spiral to ineffectiveness. Now as a class we are basically there and the only thing we have going for us is 2nd rate burst on top of 1st class movement.

So all this interclass bickering isn’t helping for kitten. IDC if you run DD, SD, DP, PP, or just SBx2. We as a class are hurting post the last patch. Already the QQ from DD thieves help bring about the nerf to OH Pistol 5. QQ from everyone including other thieves got SD 2 nerfed.

At this point in time EVERY single class has either a hard counter or really good counter to the thief class, and y’all wanna nerf us more…….

Its time to shut up on this subject.

T raw.4658:

D/D can beat D/P. Does D/P have an advantage over DP? Yes it does but not a hard counter like a lot of DD thieves like to announce to the world.

It is and I just explained why and why I beat D/P thieves.

T raw.4658:

Try running scorp wire ^^ remember 1 good burst and any thief is basically downed.

Probably a good counter, yes, for one 5+2 combo.

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I know, I say nothing else. But that doesn’t mean that D/P doesn’t hardcounter D/D -that’s my point right here – and I don’t want anyone to lie about it so their spec has got better chances not to be nerfed – D/P doesn’t need a nerf, D/D (and S/D probably) needs a buff.
And sorry, but I won’t shut up if someone gets his facts wrong ;)
Try D/D against D/P, I bet a lot of our thieves would duel you in PvP, if you’re EU I can get my dusty pistol out, if you like.
And btw a Hard counter is rare, that would be D/P to D/D as they remove everything D/D needs to stealth, and D/D against the pre patch mesmers as D/D uses all of their clones to stealth. That are hard counters – a class shutting down the skills of another class.
Edit: Or better: build/weapon set – you know what I mean.

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MidoriMarch.8067:

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DHawk.2687:

T raw.4658:

MidoriMarch.8067:

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DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Saying isuq because of my play time stats on this account in a passive aggressive manner is unbecoming.

I’d much rather the “Duel me I’ll show you” response.

But what do I know isuq and get carried in all game modes just please next time don’t spam me during a GvG

fyi there is a block funktion ^^

I only block gold spammers….tho after one of the rounds when I got to reply he mysteriously decided to block me

O well

I know your level just by u playing d/p and says it req more skills than d/d

made me laugh pretty hard nice try lol

I never said d/p or d/d takes more skill. In truth they both require skill of a different type.

I remember a d/d thief I dueled once. When I fought him with D/P he just got ran over. Eventually he refused to fight if i was using D/P because it was lame. Now I wasn’t using SA at the time but 2 6 0 0 6 build. He whined a lot. He complained about it.

BTW he was running full SA…..

playing without SA doesn’t mean anything, since dp is the counter to dd
all you need to do is blind and you win, it’s too strong compared to the other weaponsets

I don’t play d/p, but it is fine. I think the perception of its strength is only noticed relative to how less versatile the other weapon sets are, and I believe it is in the best interest of all teefs to drive a conversation that raises the other sets up rather than hammering away at the nice, solid, viable weapon set that we have in dp.

Dancing dagger absolutely needs something. Less ini or a stronger effect. I feel it is really almost there, and in service to shoring up DD/s lack of gap closers. Just needs a little love.

yeah I agree on that, D/D needs some kind of improvement, dancing dagger is a great skill, but the ini cost is too high for the short duration of cripple and the low dmg
even if every singel bounce hits it’s not that big of a deal

Umut.5471:

I completely agree. Also that daze spamming thieves are annoying on PvP.
Needs a nerf and an alternative build to compensate. Mesmers need damage nerf too.

if only headshot did dmg and didn’t cost crap load of initiative~~~~~~~~~~

kittening idolt, all ur world is duel only ? ok, what u should care about is how to beat a

burning-burst guardian, celestial elementalist, lock-on condi engi, full-dire fear spwan

necro, beastmaster hunter, good mace warrior, and full-dire pu mesmer. What would

u do ? using a p/p build ? LOLOLOLOLOL

U guys must have a sense of reality, we are underpower now, do not try to make it worse, it’s selfish.

Do you really think anet will EVER buff us again, look through the other forums, ppl still cry about thieves being op
hell, there is a post where a ele cries that he was killed by 2 thieves in 5 secs and says that is unbalanced and needs to be nerfed hard
we won’t ever see an ending to the nerfs in my opinion
that’s why so many thieves are switching to mesmer etc

it’s just sad

DHawk.2687:

Do you really think anet will EVER buff us again, look through the other forums, ppl still cry about thieves being op
hell, there is a post where a ele cries that he was killed by 2 thieves in 5 secs and says that is unbalanced and needs to be nerfed hard
we won’t ever see an ending to the nerfs in my opinion
that’s why so many thieves are switching to mesmer etc

it’s just sad

Agree ! So I don’t want too see an " I have a thief too, but I think it’s op blahblahblah"

Disgusting liars.

What bugs me since the patch is, that even tho i got major buffs to my power and crit dmg ( pre patch 2300 power, 220% crit dmg; post patch 2850 power, 251% critdmg), yet my attacks do LESS damage than before
usually i did around 11k with every backstab, now it’s 9,8 at best, wtf happened
Is it just me or do the increased stats have no impact post patch? :/
I might be mistaking but that’s just what I’ve been noticing on my thief

DHawk.2687:

What bugs me since the patch is, that even tho i got major buffs to my power and crit dmg ( pre patch 2300 power, 220% crit dmg; post patch 2850 power, 251% critdmg), yet my attacks do LESS damage than before
usually i did around 11k with every backstab, now it’s 9,8 at best, wtf happened
Is it just me or do the increased stats have no impact post patch? :/
I might be mistaking but that’s just what I’ve been noticing on my thief

so many zerkers, u would be 1 shot by a mez, but u can’t 1 shot him.

Andrew.6487:

DHawk.2687:

What bugs me since the patch is, that even tho i got major buffs to my power and crit dmg ( pre patch 2300 power, 220% crit dmg; post patch 2850 power, 251% critdmg), yet my attacks do LESS damage than before
usually i did around 11k with every backstab, now it’s 9,8 at best, wtf happened
Is it just me or do the increased stats have no impact post patch? :/
I might be mistaking but that’s just what I’ve been noticing on my thief

so many zerkers, u would be 1 shot by a mez, but u can’t 1 shot him.

the only thing i can oneshot (well CnD + Backstab) are full zerk thieves
that’s it
but yeah thief op xD

my burst to PU/Zerk mesmer=>~11-12k =>decoy+blink GG
his burst to me 15-17k=> i’m dead GG
Yes d/p needs nerf….and of course L2P

Smollett.6270:

my burst to PU/Zerk mesmer=>~11-12k =>decoy+blink GG
his burst to me 15-17k=> i’m dead GG
Yes d/p needs nerf….and of course L2P

a friend of mine ( DP thief ) called me recently and wanted me to go OS and watch this bs ( his words)
i enter the sanctum and see him starting a 1v1 with a mesmer, 1 sec later he was instadead, funny thing was, the mesmer felt sorry for him and let him do a backstab to compare, mesmer health after backstab 50%
mesmer goes GS #2 F1
thief dead

but hey, the mesmer all say it’s balanced soooooo

DHawk.2687:

Smollett.6270:

my burst to PU/Zerk mesmer=>~11-12k =>decoy+blink GG
his burst to me 15-17k=> i’m dead GG
Yes d/p needs nerf….and of course L2P

a friend of mine ( DP thief ) called me recently and wanted me to go OS and watch this bs ( his words)
i enter the sanctum and see him starting a 1v1 with a mesmer, 1 sec later he was instadead, funny thing was, the mesmer felt sorry for him and let him do a backstab to compare, mesmer health after backstab 50%
mesmer goes GS #2 F1
thief dead

but hey, the mesmer all say it’s balanced soooooo

nah mesmers say now they are on same footing with other clsses and deserved this because they were most nerfed class in game~

Cynz.9437:

DHawk.2687:

Smollett.6270:

my burst to PU/Zerk mesmer=>~11-12k =>decoy+blink GG
his burst to me 15-17k=> i’m dead GG
Yes d/p needs nerf….and of course L2P

a friend of mine ( DP thief ) called me recently and wanted me to go OS and watch this bs ( his words)
i enter the sanctum and see him starting a 1v1 with a mesmer, 1 sec later he was instadead, funny thing was, the mesmer felt sorry for him and let him do a backstab to compare, mesmer health after backstab 50%
mesmer goes GS #2 F1
thief dead

but hey, the mesmer all say it’s balanced soooooo

nah mesmers say now they are on same footing with other clsses and deserved this because they were most nerfed class in game~

maybe it’s the same footing, but their Feet are a LOT bigger ^^

MidoriMarch.8067:

T raw.4658:

DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

OP Dancing Dagger was OP, but it was really funny. I’d argue old mug was more OP, though :p

I think SS itself is too powerful and nerfs to it could justify changes and buffs to the thief as a whole, inclusive of D/P.

Right now, the thief is difficult to balance for builds like D/D and P/P because modifications substantial enough to make those builds viable would overbuff D/P in most cases. Spamming 3 (or 2, or any skill) shouldn’t be rewarded on any build.

It’s also pretty hard to dodge a third time after dodging stab and steal, and in most cases, a D/P build will have the init to use SS twice in case one fails.

I would argue D/P’s relative strength is holding the rest of the class back. As far as fighting other classes, I don’t have a bias because I play warrior and ranger in sPvP when I do (I used to play mesmer but PU is super lame), because I think D/P is boring and cele ele/cele engi/new mesmer are similarly boring, and D/D thief doesn’t work against anything at all.

The balance state is pretty laughable in sPvP, too. If I want balanced fights, I actually go to WvW, because everything is so strong in there it’s relatively even. Yea, you can die in one hit, but that’s part of the skill requirement to avoid. A lot of stab builds fail to burst me down because I react and expect it. You can get chunked by builds that aren’t part of a meta or anything by people who play well and can push the stats they need from the available build diversity and food.

TheMurkMuffin.8213:

MidoriMarch.8067:

T raw.4658:

DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Not shots fired just midori losing his temper.

Anyways D/P Thief is fine in the grand scheme of things and all thief builds are hurting atm

D/P? It’s our best set, but keep it in perspective of the game as a whole – it’s definitely not OP considering mesmers, guards, etc…far from it

D/D hasn’t been viable in competitive sPVP for years now. And you rarely see S/D or anything else these days.

sinetic.6184:

D/P? It’s our best set, but keep it in perspective of the game as a whole – it’s definitely not OP considering mesmers, guards, etc…far from it

D/D hasn’t been viable in competitive sPVP for years now. And you rarely see S/D or anything else these days.

he basically wants d/p to be as bad as other weapon sets instead of suggesting how to make other weapon sets viable

Thief seems to be in a really awkward position. The other classes will say it’s OP and has a way too huge damage burst, but Thieves can die so quickly.

I don’t play Thief (I have a Thief but I never play it) and while I can relate to the other classes about how frustrating it can be to get ganked by one, that’s the role of a Thief. They pick off single targets that wander alone.

I’ve noticed that a lot of the complaints come from people that tend to run off alone and break away from the team fights. Now granted you should have roamers that go and get quick decaps etc when they aren’t needed at a team fight, it’s the role (or one of the roles) of the Thief to prevent those roamers from getting those decaps.

If the Thief did get a nerf and it couldn’t do it’s job bursting down roamers, then it would become obsolete, as they have really weak defense and go down so quickly. I actually played a few games as my Ranger today, with an enemy Thief on the other team.

I went to get a quick decap at home, but the Thief bursted me from stealth to prevent me getting to the node. Now the Thief didn’t actually kill me as I managed to disengage him, but he did prevent me from getting to the home node. While he did deal a huge burst of damage, I didn’t really think it was OP, considering I was a Ranger and the Thief is designed to take down single targets.

I’m not really a fan of the Thieves playstyle, and while they can be frustrating to play against, I wouldn’t ever want Anet to render the class useless. It just seems like there’s a very fine line to balancing the Thief and any major nerfs could really hurt it more than fix it.