Guild Wars 2

Fortus.6175:

Edit: Well, this got moved to the Thief forum, where only thieves who believe their class is Underpowered and totally fine will come and bash and give me “advise” on how I failed to swing my weapon to the air and spam all my AoE and put it in CD in the hope that one tick will tickle their hp similar to mine in which case I have no skill that could put out 8k of damage to counter his 8k backstabds and 6-7k HS, while resseting the fights at will.

How in the world is it balanced to just die to a backstab that hits you for 8.5k out of the blue, wearing PVT/valk accesories and weapons, with no way of blocking it, with no counterplay involved, followed by two 3k HS (pray none crits., because then you are looking at 6-7k HS easily). Where is the counterplay to that? Dont tel me that zerg because I was in a zerg, the guy came in backstab, HS, stealth on top of me, nobody could do shiznit about it, stomped me and walked away with 50% hp.

Stealth is out of control, I understand its good to get the jump on people, but I have been hit by 11k backstabs with my squishy equipment, I was wearing PVT/valk weapon and accessories, yet it hit me for 8.5k. EDIT: 10.5khp for berzerker, we have the lowest hp pool in the game, have I been full zerker I would have literally died in one hit, with zerker I get hit with 11k backtabs all the time.

From what I can tell, your ele build seems to be like one of those Meteor Storm heavy damage. Otherwise, I don’t know why you would have full Valkyrie. You’re obviously level 80 from your screenshot, but your HP doesn’t add up at all for what you say it is. “I was wearing PVT/valk weapon and accessories, yet it hit me for 8.5k.” My level 80 ele with full exotic Soldier’s gear and healing runes (with no vitality in them) has 13k HP with NO trinkets, NO weapons, NO traits equipped. Fully equipped with my equipment and what not it comes out to 19k HP. Now, even with the WvW HP bonus, it’s a Sunday at 3 AM so it’s not even as much as a gain and we’re at 3rd place. So either you’re full of crap about your gear or you’re undergeared, which against a fully geared ascended thief, you’re going to die. Or maybe I’m wrong, could be some glaring omission I’m not seeing at 3 AM in the morning.

I haven’t read through this entire thread yet, but I’m sure I will in the morning. Staff eles are group support and ranged “Bringing down the rain” AoE damage, but they aren’t going to be able to do crap in a 1v1 or when they get singled out on in a zerg. You might stun them or cripple them, but any competent PvPer will avoid all that because they already have it planned in the back of their head. A thief with a crapload of mostly offensive skills is going to take down an (undergeared) ele with staff no problem. Maybe I’m wrong again, but I haven’t seen any great staff builds for a 1v1 ele ever. Perhaps I just haven’t run into one, but I’m pretty sure there aren’t any.

If you can understand what a thief can do, you can counterplay against it. I main one and I’ve gone on my rifle shout warrior to destroy them. You see familiar things, patterns, key things to look out for that give them away. Pew pew pew from range then he notices me. By the time he gets close, he’s half health or so for your standard zerker ones. With my Immobilize, they usually waste their stealth heal to get to me. Soon as they get close, Rifle Butt, pew pew some more. Fun part is when they Shadow Refuge to hide, instant Fear Me into Kill Shot or more pew pew and it’s done. Channeled skills still hitting them through stealth is also fun. Now, if that was a rare, kitten, constant PvP thief, I would’ve lost 10/10 duels with that build.

Sure thieves have stealth, but it’s not even that overpowered in terms of overall WvW and sPvP. Tourney players know how to destroy generic thieves like the back of their hand. I believe most of the top thieves use S/D and don’t even stealth at all with their build other than for a stomp. Have you seen other class burst builds as well? I’ve seen a zerker D/D ele drop zerker squishies faster than a thief can. Some of the things in video are oudated, but the builds tweaked can still output crazy burst damage.

Guardian GS Sword/Focus Burst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgYhGde9Qmc

Ele S/D Burst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD1S_sP90Ao

This one always makes me chuckle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVn7us9Fvpk

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

How to counter a thief-
Step 1: Realize how incredibly stupid your class is in terms of roaming. Accept it.
Step 2: You also need to realize that if you are a thief, you’re set. If you’re anything but a thief, continue to step 3.
Step 3: Quit to desktop OR go to character select. If you chose character select, continue to step 4.
Step 4: Click “Create New Character” button at the bottom left corner. Race/looks doesnt matter. Choose the thief as your profession.
Step 5: Level him to 80.
Step 6: Delete your old character, as Arena-net will continue to nerf your roaming capabilities due to in-experienced thief players complaining about the fact that their class met another class that did something that they do. Then when other players claim the thief is overpowered, they bash them with things like “L2P”. They are people like Zacchary. And he is right. You make a thief. And you level him to 80. And you play that thief. Learn the class, and you can realize this simple, and indisputable fact. A thief, when roaming, will either 1- Kill you. 2- troll your group of 2-8 with relative ease. 3- Realize that the group or single person they just ran across DOES know how to fight a thief. so they run away. Run away. Let that sink in your minds a little. Run away . So how about those other classes. The thief either gets a loot bag, a giggle when he trolls other groups, or no punishment at all when he makes a bad decision. While other classes are painfully punished for roaming. Thief=Extremely low risk, relatively great rewards. Warriors, and thats about it, are the only class that comes close to doing what the thief does. Only without stealth . That’s why they bring up warriors so much. So go ahead. Tell me to learn to play. I am only going to refer you to this post. Especially that part where I mentioned low risk/high reward.

in the end its allways the same solution
l2p

The Game Slayer.7632:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

How to counter a thief-
Step 1: Realize how incredibly stupid your class is in terms of roaming. Accept it.
Step 2: You also need to realize that if you are a thief, you’re set. If you’re anything but a thief, continue to step 3.
Step 3: Quit to desktop OR go to character select. If you chose character select, continue to step 4.
Step 4: Click “Create New Character” button at the bottom left corner. Race/looks doesnt matter. Choose the thief as your profession.
Step 5: Level him to 80.
Step 6: Delete your old character, as Arena-net will continue to nerf your roaming capabilities due to in-experienced thief players complaining about the fact that their class met another class that did something that they do. Then when other players claim the thief is overpowered, they bash them with things like “L2P”. They are people like Zacchary. And he is right. You make a thief. And you level him to 80. And you play that thief. Learn the class, and you can realize this simple, and indisputable fact. A thief, when roaming, will either 1- Kill you. 2- troll your group of 2-8 with relative ease. 3- Realize that the group or single person they just ran across DOES know how to fight a thief. so they run away. Run away. Let that sink in your minds a little. Run away . So how about those other classes. The thief either gets a loot bag, a giggle when he trolls other groups, or no punishment at all when he makes a bad decision. While other classes are painfully punished for roaming. Thief=Extremely low risk, relatively great rewards. Warriors, and thats about it, are the only class that comes close to doing what the thief does. Only without stealth . That’s why they bring up warriors so much. So go ahead. Tell me to learn to play. I am only going to refer you to this post. Especially that part where I mentioned low risk/high reward.

someone is mad..
good thing we have the forums, a therapist isnt a cheap thing u know

The Game Slayer.7632:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

How to counter a thief-
Step 1: Realize how incredibly stupid your class is in terms of roaming. Accept it.
Step 2: You also need to realize that if you are a thief, you’re set. If you’re anything but a thief, continue to step 3.
Step 3: Quit to desktop OR go to character select. If you chose character select, continue to step 4.
Step 4: Click “Create New Character” button at the bottom left corner. Race/looks doesnt matter. Choose the thief as your profession.
Step 5: Level him to 80.
Step 6: Delete your old character, as Arena-net will continue to nerf your roaming capabilities due to in-experienced thief players complaining about the fact that their class met another class that did something that they do. Then when other players claim the thief is overpowered, they bash them with things like “L2P”. They are people like Zacchary. And he is right. You make a thief. And you level him to 80. And you play that thief. Learn the class, and you can realize this simple, and indisputable fact. A thief, when roaming, will either 1- Kill you. 2- troll your group of 2-8 with relative ease. 3- Realize that the group or single person they just ran across DOES know how to fight a thief. so they run away. Run away. Let that sink in your minds a little. Run away . So how about those other classes. The thief either gets a loot bag, a giggle when he trolls other groups, or no punishment at all when he makes a bad decision. While other classes are painfully punished for roaming. Thief=Extremely low risk, relatively great rewards. Warriors, and thats about it, are the only class that comes close to doing what the thief does. Only without stealth . That’s why they bring up warriors so much. So go ahead. Tell me to learn to play. I am only going to refer you to this post. Especially that part where I mentioned low risk/high reward.

Warriors can cover a 6k distance in 4 seconds. My chasing thief (which has no stealth, mind you) takes 5 seconds to cover the same distance. If both have swiftness, there’s still a 1-second or 1200 range gap between the two. That’s a best-case scenario if you’re trying to catch a fleeing warrior built for mobility. The thief is the same way. Stealth is a different matter, and most often thieves aren’t smart enough to back down from a downhill battle and they die, consequently.

itamar.4690:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

How to counter a thief-
Step 1: Realize how incredibly stupid your class is in terms of roaming. Accept it.
Step 2: You also need to realize that if you are a thief, you’re set. If you’re anything but a thief, continue to step 3.
Step 3: Quit to desktop OR go to character select. If you chose character select, continue to step 4.
Step 4: Click “Create New Character” button at the bottom left corner. Race/looks doesnt matter. Choose the thief as your profession.
Step 5: Level him to 80.
Step 6: Delete your old character, as Arena-net will continue to nerf your roaming capabilities due to in-experienced thief players complaining about the fact that their class met another class that did something that they do. Then when other players claim the thief is overpowered, they bash them with things like “L2P”. They are people like Zacchary. And he is right. You make a thief. And you level him to 80. And you play that thief. Learn the class, and you can realize this simple, and indisputable fact. A thief, when roaming, will either 1- Kill you. 2- troll your group of 2-8 with relative ease. 3- Realize that the group or single person they just ran across DOES know how to fight a thief. so they run away. Run away. Let that sink in your minds a little. Run away . So how about those other classes. The thief either gets a loot bag, a giggle when he trolls other groups, or no punishment at all when he makes a bad decision. While other classes are painfully punished for roaming. Thief=Extremely low risk, relatively great rewards. Warriors, and thats about it, are the only class that comes close to doing what the thief does. Only without stealth . That’s why they bring up warriors so much. So go ahead. Tell me to learn to play. I am only going to refer you to this post. Especially that part where I mentioned low risk/high reward.

someone is mad..
good thing we have the forums, a therapist isnt a cheap thing u know

you can show people like this videos of other classes doing quite well against thieves but it wont matter. bad players r bad players. they dont realize how susceptable we are to many things and how useless we are in group play but hey. thieves have to be last in everything or they will complain lol. also u dont see AS many videos as thieves bc most other classes stick to groups.

The Game Slayer.7632:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

How to counter a thief-
Step 1: Realize how incredibly stupid your class is in terms of roaming. Accept it.
Step 2: You also need to realize that if you are a thief, you’re set. If you’re anything but a thief, continue to step 3.
Step 3: Quit to desktop OR go to character select. If you chose character select, continue to step 4.
Step 4: Click “Create New Character” button at the bottom left corner. Race/looks doesnt matter. Choose the thief as your profession.
Step 5: Level him to 80.
Step 6: Delete your old character, as Arena-net will continue to nerf your roaming capabilities due to in-experienced thief players complaining about the fact that their class met another class that did something that they do. Then when other players claim the thief is overpowered, they bash them with things like “L2P”. They are people like Zacchary. And he is right. You make a thief. And you level him to 80. And you play that thief. Learn the class, and you can realize this simple, and indisputable fact. A thief, when roaming, will either 1- Kill you. 2- troll your group of 2-8 with relative ease. 3- Realize that the group or single person they just ran across DOES know how to fight a thief. so they run away. Run away. Let that sink in your minds a little. Run away . So how about those other classes. The thief either gets a loot bag, a giggle when he trolls other groups, or no punishment at all when he makes a bad decision. While other classes are painfully punished for roaming. Thief=Extremely low risk, relatively great rewards. Warriors, and thats about it, are the only class that comes close to doing what the thief does. Only without stealth . That’s why they bring up warriors so much. So go ahead. Tell me to learn to play. I am only going to refer you to this post. Especially that part where I mentioned low risk/high reward.

You forgot to mention the hidden thief base under stonemist, where we go to spend all the tears of bads like yourself. Plz keep crying, I’ve almost saved enough tears for a free legendary

These post are getting really old. I’ve recently rolled a thief and it’s not just stealth backstab and win. My main is a Ranger notably one of the less popular classes. I have no problems with thieves on my ranger because I didn’t just QQ I learned to play against thieves. My build is great for roaming, I have a 2 second daze, 2 second daze and 5 second daze which pretty much turns a thief into a PvE mob. I’m not going to say I kill every thief that comes at me because I’m not that good and every now and then someone is going to get the better of you. However I’ve killed my fair share of theives while roaming so this QQ OMG THEIF OP NERF NERF NERF post every other day kind of post is getting quite old.

Simply as it is, you cannot roam with 12,5k hp and no getaway. Noone can, because at the first burst you’ll be down.
I’d like you to fight a mesmer that gets the 1st hit on you with that health pool.

The only thieves that are OP atm are the d/p build but that’s because of the way too insane survivability /perma stealth, not the spike damage.

You can’t pretend to just stand there and do nothing and not get killed, you have to evade, stun, daze, cleanse, etc. And i’ll repeat myself again but srsly get that health over 15-16k. I don’t play an ele but still that sounds stupid. Besides i don’t think that long staff gives you anywhere near good skills to 1v1/roam

The stated fact that the devs seem to believe that aoe’n blindly is how you kill stealthed players, not just thieves, is credit enough as to how broken stealth is.

Stealth and Not coming out of stealth when the player blocks…

Broken. Complete and utter trash and the dev who created this ability has gained the title of “Ultimate Troll” for being able to implement this mechanic w/o ever being tested.

Kudos to u sir.

purgatoryz.6038:

Why do obvious QQ whining threads like this get 70+ replies in 20 hours whilst all the constructive threads in the forum go mostly unnoticed?

If we put in half as much time into the community as we do feeding the trolls I think this forum would be a much better place.

I have a simple answer for that question purgatoryz. Many people who think they’re awesome at a competitive game pick the more powerful options. Whenever those options come into question, the common reaction is to shout-down any arguments, logical or not, in order to preserve their status. Otherwise, they’d have to adjust and adapt to game balance. They’d rather not do that. In the case of Anet, balance usually happens anyway. This is when you get the “QQ Anet listens to forums!” posts in the profession forum of the class that just got balanced (BTW, that happened to the thief class a lot…still waiting on Pistol Whip’s return boys? Keep waiting…)

Thieves are not balanced…yet. Anyone who plays a thief extensively knows this. Just like anyone who played an elementalist before the nerf bat hit. They’re either ignorant or delusional if they think otherwise. It’s just a matter of time and design as to what happens to bring certain aspects of the class in line with the rest of the game.

On a side note, count how many self-proclaimed ‘pro’ thief players use the term “energy” to refer to “initiative” because they just came from WoW. There are quite a lot of them.

Anyone who hasn’t played all classes during the current build is a scrub, really. There are tons of one-class-only players out there that would have you think otherwise…don’t pay them any mind.

Why hasn’t some one made a class complaint subsection of these forums?

@redscope you’re right theif isn’t balanced. It’s in need of significant buffs in some areas. That’s why more and more people are swapping from thief to eng. Even everyone’s favorite thief Yishis is now one of us.

We are the engineers. Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

That’s pretty kitten funny coming from a guardian. Have your cat walk across the keyboard and you can win. Talk about faceroll easy. It’s not a coincidence that a guardian was first to 250k kills in wvw. Or that they are most popular class in all 3 game modes. No skill needed, slam forehead into keyboard and profit

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Stay on track there son, we’re still talking about stealth.

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

Yeah blindly aoe? Or you could you know think strategically, I know that’s a stretch for a guardian used to facerolling everything though

Shemsu.8721:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

Yeah blindly aoe? Or you could you know think strategically, I know that’s a stretch for a guardian used to facerolling everything though

Right, you must mean strategically aoe’n. I get where you’re coming from… BRILLIANT.

Amins.3710:

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Wat…

Amins.3710:

thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Part where you at the very least imply thieves are op in bold.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

At the very MOST, it implies that they were OP out of Beta. Please refer to my plea about comprehension. Honestly, when you’re trying to discredit someone’s argument, picking and choosing the second half of the sentences while negating the premise for which it stands on…. lol

Again, this isn’t about how you defeat a thief.

This is about Stealth. I must refer to my previous plea… yet again.

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Part where you at the very least imply thieves are op in bold.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

At the very MOST, it implies that they were OP out of Beta. Please refer to my plea about comprehension.

Again, this isn’t about how you defeat a thief.

This is about Stealth. I must refer to my previous plea… yet again.

So to you that’s just implying… and talking about thief in the thief forums has only to do with stealth… I see…

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Part where you at the very least imply thieves are op in bold.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

At the very MOST, it implies that they were OP out of Beta. Please refer to my plea about comprehension.

Again, this isn’t about how you defeat a thief.

This is about Stealth. I must refer to my previous plea… yet again.

So to you that’s just implying… and talking about thief in the thief forums has only to do with stealth… I see…

When I state in a previous statement about stealth, for which you replied to…

I suggest learning to keep things in context.

What’s go’n on w/ these kids these days… our educational system is failing.

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Part where you at the very least imply thieves are op in bold.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

At the very MOST, it implies that they were OP out of Beta. Please refer to my plea about comprehension.

Again, this isn’t about how you defeat a thief.

This is about Stealth. I must refer to my previous plea… yet again.

So to you that’s just implying… and talking about thief in the thief forums has only to do with stealth… I see…

When I state in a previous statement about stealth, for which you replied to…

I suggest learning to keep things in context.

What’s go’n on w/ these kids these days… our educational system is failing.

IKR! It’s like kids posting in a thread in the thief forums about thief balance, then trying to creep away from it saying that it was only about stealth (despite mentioning thief in the post)… and calling a statement like

Amins.3710:

thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

just an implication. Kids these days… so much fun to try to watch them wiggle out of things.

Amins is just a bad Guardian I guess. Mine doesnt have much trouble with any thieves outside of S/D with lots of Ini regain ones… and even then, its not like more than about 10% of them can kill me 1 on 1.

wish.1027:

Amins is just a bad Guardian I guess. Mine doesnt have much trouble with any thieves outside of S/D with lots of Ini regain ones… and even then, its not like more than about 10% of them can kill me 1 on 1.

What’s kinda funny is that there is another thread on the first page asking how to beat a tanky guard as a thief… and the general answer is just don’t bother with trying lol.

Aberrant.6749:

wish.1027:

Amins is just a bad Guardian I guess. Mine doesnt have much trouble with any thieves outside of S/D with lots of Ini regain ones… and even then, its not like more than about 10% of them can kill me 1 on 1.

What’s kinda funny is that there is another thread on the first page asking how to beat a tanky guard as a thief… and the general answer is just don’t bother with trying lol.

Thats a nice thread, it teaches you how to fight good Guardians, use a S/D setup or walk away.