*Backstab causing revealed on a missed swing - Fixed in 6/24 Hotfix
*Hidden thief using ICD of blinding powder - Fixed in 6/24 Hotfix
*Don’t Stop apply stability when revealed - Fixed in 6/24 Hotfix
*No Quarter allowing fury to reach unintended durations - Fixed in 6/24 Hotfix
*Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after the 3rd second of stealth not upon entering stealth as it should
*Withdraw’s cooldown was increased but the promised 10% base heal is missing
*Hard to catch activating after a small delay instead of instantly
*Trickster trait applying twice to Flanking Strikes (ICD going from 60s to 36s, 40% reduction instead of 20%)
*Shadow Trap not adding 15 stacks might when traited for Deadly Trapper, only giving the ten base
*Ambush Trap not applying vulnerability or might when combined with Deadly Trapper
*Trapper’s Respite has a 30-second ICD when it should be 10-second ICD per patch notes
*Steal will interrupt any ability the thief is using if the target is out of range (i.e. C&D)
*Resilience of Shadows does not reduce damage from conditions. This could be working as intended but then it would have very little value against condition builds.
*The ferocity bonus granted by No Quarter can be lost if that fury is overwritten by another player making the trait much less desirable in a group setting.
Any others I missed? Just wanted to put it all together in one spot.
Don’t know if it’s a bug, but Shadow’s Embrace now has a limited selection of conditions it can clear, whereas before it didn’t. This is displayed in the tooltip, but it’s still annoying that I can’t remove Fear by clicking Blinding Powder anymore. If it’s an intentional change, learning the rationale behind it might be nice, as thieves don’t really have a lot of condition removal options!
*Hidden Thief: It still reveals you if you are using Mug
*Shadows Embrace: Not clearing a Condition upon entering and seems to have an ICD
The only time that the Mug+Hidden Thief combo applies revealed is when you activate it starting from a stealth state. I’m not even sure if this is a bug or not. If you take it from the viewpoint that steal should never apply revealed regardless of traits then yes it is a bug so I’ll add it.
I haven’t been able to reproduce any ICD on Shadows Embrace but I’ll keep testing. Went into SR then stood in lava. It removed the burning every 3 seconds as advertised.
Don’t know if it’s a bug, but Shadow’s Embrace now has a limited selection of conditions it can clear, whereas before it didn’t. This is displayed in the tooltip, but it’s still annoying that I can’t remove Fear by clicking Blinding Powder anymore. If it’s an intentional change, learning the rationale behind it might be nice, as thieves don’t really have a lot of condition removal options!
That’s not a bug it’s a nerf. It sucks but it’s not a bug.
Don’t know if it’s a bug, but Shadow’s Embrace now has a limited selection of conditions it can clear, whereas before it didn’t. This is displayed in the tooltip, but it’s still annoying that I can’t remove Fear by clicking Blinding Powder anymore. If it’s an intentional change, learning the rationale behind it might be nice, as thieves don’t really have a lot of condition removal options!
The rationale I can think of is this: they want thieves to be glass cannon specialists; bad condi cleanse with a low hp pool means your only chance against condi classes is bursting them down. Seems keeping in line with their general “everyone will be more glassy because everyone gets damage buffs” theme. I guess they dislike bunkers.
Also, patch notes have Trapper’s Respite (Deadly Arts Adept trait) on a 10-second ICD. The game itself has it on a 30-second ICD. Unsure if it’s just a post typo or a legit bug.
This has always been so. Any skill that inflicts damage while in stealth incurs reveal. It would be great if this were an exception, though.
The only reason I included it is I’m not sure they intended for the mug trait to redefine how steal operates. Without mug you can steal from stealth without issue and remain in stealth. With hidden thief you can even extend that stealth for 2 more seconds. Throw in mug and suddenly the “passive” steal is now an attack. This very well could be working as intended, but I figured I’d include it in the off chance that this was not the case.
*Edit- On second thought since it wasn’t introduced with the latest patch the whole argument is moot.
When they said, “we are removing the 5% more damage from dagger training”, they also said they were making it baseline. It doesn’t feel like they did, but since I didn’t think ahead to get numbers without any traits and compare with same stats after update, can’t be sure. Perhaps they did and I’m just missing the other bonuses we used to have in the first lines… but a certain level of damage from air sigil doesn’t line up with the same mug and backstab damage the way it did prepatch, I’d say cloak too but that was ‘normalized’ so to be expected it does less. At least I don’t think they buffed sigils…
Actually, I just tested Hidden Thief+Mug with steal. I was stealthed for 3 seconds after using it. Of course, I wasn’t hurt… maybe the life steal is what causes the problem?
Edit: I tried it when I was hurt, and I still got the 3 seconds of stealth. Um… stealth bug fix?
Shadow’s Embrace – Does not remove condition’s listed upon application of stealth.
This is comparable to Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after three seconds. Either ability should apply initially and then subsequently every 3 seconds as described.
Ex. (with SA) CaD = 1 condition removed on application, 1 additional condition removed after 3 seconds. With SR, initially gain 1 initiative and then after 3 seconds gain a second initiative.
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Shadow’s Embrace – Does not remove condition’s listed upon application of stealth.
This is comparable to Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after three seconds. Either ability should apply initially and then subsequently every 3 seconds as described.
Ex. (with SA) CaD = 1 condition removed on application, 1 additional condition removed after 3 seconds. With SR, initially gain 1 initiative and then after 3 seconds gain a second initiative.
SE is removing damage condi’s on entering stealth though. I ran around for nearly 30 min trying to find an instance where this did not work properly and could not reproduce it. What game mode are you in that this is not working?
When they said, “we are removing the 5% more damage from dagger training”, they also said they were making it baseline. It doesn’t feel like they did, but since I didn’t think ahead to get numbers without any traits and compare with same stats after update, can’t be sure. Perhaps they did and I’m just missing the other bonuses we used to have in the first lines… but a certain level of damage from air sigil doesn’t line up with the same mug and backstab damage the way it did prepatch, I’d say cloak too but that was ‘normalized’ so to be expected it does less. At least I don’t think they buffed sigils…
The 5% was to be added to “dual wield” skills. Any dagger combo #3. I don’t have pre-patch numbers to check if this was forgotten or not.
Shadow’s Embrace – Does not remove condition’s listed upon application of stealth.
This is comparable to Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after three seconds. Either ability should apply initially and then subsequently every 3 seconds as described.
Ex. (with SA) CaD = 1 condition removed on application, 1 additional condition removed after 3 seconds. With SR, initially gain 1 initiative and then after 3 seconds gain a second initiative.
SE is removing damage condi’s on entering stealth though. I ran around for nearly 30 min trying to find an instance where this did not work properly and could not reproduce it. What game mode are you in that this is not working?
in pvp for me; i had to wait 3 sec to get 1 condi cleansed
The Shadow Rejuvenation and Withdraw bugs need to be fixed ASAP. A mere 4344 heal on 18s cd is ridiculous, and the initiative regen on SR only applying after 3 seconds promotes stealth camping, which a lot of people QQ about thus bringing us nerfs.
F1 doesnt keep the second promissed stolen skill , F1+F2=F1(before patch) if u dont want to waste the F2 skill, the only diference is that now u have to press two keys
When they said, “we are removing the 5% more damage from dagger training”, they also said they were making it baseline. It doesn’t feel like they did, but since I didn’t think ahead to get numbers without any traits and compare with same stats after update, can’t be sure. Perhaps they did and I’m just missing the other bonuses we used to have in the first lines… but a certain level of damage from air sigil doesn’t line up with the same mug and backstab damage the way it did prepatch, I’d say cloak too but that was ‘normalized’ so to be expected it does less. At least I don’t think they buffed sigils…
The 5% was to be added to “dual wield” skills. Any dagger combo #3. I don’t have pre-patch numbers to check if this was forgotten or not.
Then I misunderstood what the notes said, or the notes I was seeing didn’t match what was said in the stream (couldn’t watch it). yuck on that then.
Thanks for the clarification on that. 5% is meh though, it’s the total picture that has me wondering where some of my damage is in wvw. Tested and air sigil performs as expected, mug and backstab didn’t. Performs ok just isn’t as high as it was. As long as it works still, and it mostly seems to, I’m content, just a lot of odd things, which big patch means lots of bugs anyways.
Then I misunderstood what the notes said, or the notes I was seeing didn’t match what was said in the stream (couldn’t watch it). yuck on that then.
In the video, they said the original Dagger Training’s 5% damage was going to be baseline. Since then, I’ve seen or heard nothing about it. Only the 5% from the original Combined Training trait has been officially baselined.
I was hoping for the 5% for daggers also, though I don’t know if it was included, missed, or reconsidered.
F1 doesnt keep the second promissed stolen skill , F1+F2=F1(before patch) if u dont want to waste the F2 skill, the only diference is that now u have to press two keys
F1 is not supposed to store anything. The main point of the change was so that you could see your steal timer without having to discard the previously stolen skill. In cases where you want to steal again without using the skill (i.e. Throw gunk) this is invaluable.
Then I misunderstood what the notes said, or the notes I was seeing didn’t match what was said in the stream (couldn’t watch it). yuck on that then.
In the video, they said the original Dagger Training’s 5% damage was going to be baseline. Since then, I’ve seen or heard nothing about it. Only the 5% from the original Combined Training trait has been officially baselined.
I was hoping for the 5% for daggers also, though I don’t know if it was included, missed, or reconsidered.
That must have been changed at some point b/c in the readup stream they state that the 5% is being added to the dagger dual wield skills. I’ll edit this with the time link to that part when I get home tonight.
Shadow’s Embrace – Does not remove condition’s listed upon application of stealth.
This is comparable to Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after three seconds. Either ability should apply initially and then subsequently every 3 seconds as described.
Ex. (with SA) CaD = 1 condition removed on application, 1 additional condition removed after 3 seconds. With SR, initially gain 1 initiative and then after 3 seconds gain a second initiative.
SE is removing damage condi’s on entering stealth though. I ran around for nearly 30 min trying to find an instance where this did not work properly and could not reproduce it. What game mode are you in that this is not working?
in pvp for me; i had to wait 3 sec to get 1 condi cleansed
Heh, yeah I can second this… thought something was weird about it.
Shadow’s Embrace – Does not remove condition’s listed upon application of stealth.
This is comparable to Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after three seconds. Either ability should apply initially and then subsequently every 3 seconds as described.
Ex. (with SA) CaD = 1 condition removed on application, 1 additional condition removed after 3 seconds. With SR, initially gain 1 initiative and then after 3 seconds gain a second initiative.
SE is removing damage condi’s on entering stealth though. I ran around for nearly 30 min trying to find an instance where this did not work properly and could not reproduce it. What game mode are you in that this is not working?
in pvp for me; i had to wait 3 sec to get 1 condi cleansed
Heh, yeah I can second this… thought something was weird about it.
Tested this in sPvP and it’s working fine for me. Might have just been the whole needing to zone out of sPvP then back in for traits to update. Can’t even verify that bug as I jumped in and out before knowing it could have been a problem.
Is it intended that CnD + Steal doesn’t work with Hidden Thief? I remember this being an issue pre-patch and it got fixed ages ago, seems it is now a problem again because the trait stealth procs before you can make the CnD hit.
Is it intended that CnD + Steal doesn’t work with Hidden Thief? I remember this being an issue pre-patch and it got fixed ages ago, seems it is now a problem again because the trait stealth procs before you can make the CnD hit.
I haven’t had any problems with this, though I was just testing it out in HotM against the pre-generated profession opponents.
Don’t know if it’s a bug, but Shadow’s Embrace now has a limited selection of conditions it can clear, whereas before it didn’t. This is displayed in the tooltip, but it’s still annoying that I can’t remove Fear by clicking Blinding Powder anymore. If it’s an intentional change, learning the rationale behind it might be nice, as thieves don’t really have a lot of condition removal options!
The condition clearing we have are so lame and they still keep pushing us and giving us a run for our money. I don’t even…
1. Signet of accurary: Barely worth the passive and only clear conditions if you are kissing your allies.
2. Shadow step: Removes conditions on the second jump. Which means that if you were standing into 4 Necro Wells and you jumped out, you have to JUMP BACK IN again to remove the conditions, which will effectively infect you again.
3. Infiltrator’s Strike: One condition cleared for 5 initiative. Shall I say more?
4. Shadow’s Embrace: THE ONLY WORTHY ONE. And now they’ve limited the conditions it clears and the initial proc.
5. Guarded Initiation: Guys, come on. Really? One of weakness, slow or vulnerability while over 90% hp…? Just come on…
6. I know there is a 6th one that nobody uses because traps.
I don’t know whats happening in those offices but something is not right. I feel like the Thief community is not being heard at all.
Is it intended that CnD + Steal doesn’t work with Hidden Thief? I remember this being an issue pre-patch and it got fixed ages ago, seems it is now a problem again because the trait stealth procs before you can make the CnD hit.
I haven’t had any problems with this, though I was just testing it out in HotM against the pre-generated profession opponents.
I used CnD to get the animation going, and [Steal] for the shadow step, this would allow me to stealth usually, the basic combo we all know, but now with the Hidden Thief trait you get revealed that’s what I mean. I know it won’t help much but yeh(sorry about the log out, F12 on steam takes screenshots, but by looking at the UI you’ll see what happens):
No offense but how should that work? You stealth and hit = you’re revealed.
There has been a bug with mug and hidden killer, but I have never heard of a CnD hidden killer bug – and I don’t think it’s a bug.
Do it like me and don’t use hidden killer, especially not when running D/D.
Mug and Hidden killer currently bugs in (my) wvw as well – and it bugs more often the more wonky your internet connection is. I’m using dagger training instead (how to make a trait viable).
I’ll check it out when I get home, but I could have sworn my Hidden Killer + Mug + Steal didn’t reveal me in the practice areas. I was playing with a bunch of builds yesterday so I could be wrong.
I’ll check it out when I get home, but I could have sworn my Hidden Killer + Mug + Steal didn’t reveal me in the practice areas. I was playing with a bunch of builds yesterday so I could be wrong.
It wouldn’t, but the person above also threw CnD in there, which does and should reveal you.
It does NOT work with Shortbow autoattack which is how I tested it – but it seems to work with everything else (also shortbow 2).
kind of nice to have perma rage. :-)
Just tried it in HoTM on on the NPC’s there and it’s working fine for me (killed them with nothing but shortbow auto-attack spam). Note there is an ICD of 10 seconds on the ability so you are only going to see that 4 seconds of Fury every 10 seconds. Also make sure you zone out of sPvP into the PvE world at some point, there have been reports of bugs related to just staying in sPvP related to abilities not working properly.
It wouldn’t, but the person above also threw CnD in there, which does and should reveal you.
I dunno, C&D + Steal is kinda a bread & butter combo of D&D. Even though I never ran the build I was under the impression that for quite a while the old “stealth on steal” trait did work with this combo (just extended the stealth duration provided by C&D). If we can get conformation from someone that this was working at some point I’ll add it to the list. I won’t at the moment though because I’m not 100% sure that was the case.
It wouldn’t, but the person above also threw CnD in there, which does and should reveal you.
I dunno, C&D + Steal is kinda a bread & butter combo of D&D. Even though I never ran the build I was under the impression that for quite a while the old “stealth on steal” trait did work with this combo (just extended the stealth duration provided by C&D). If we can get conformation from someone that this was working at some point I’ll add it to the list. I won’t at the moment though because I’m not 100% sure that was the case.
I agree that CnD + Steal is bread and butter of offhand dagger builds (p/d, d/d, sometimes s/d), but it has never stacked with Hidden Thief. Most people did NOT take Hidden Thief with these builds pre-patch since it played terribly with CnD + Steal. I remember very clearly trying this myself on some builds, wondering why I was getting Revealed, and then going “Aha, damage after initial stealth.”
That hasn’t changed, though it’s worth asking post-patch since they did change it for Mug + Hidden Thief, which used to also Reveal you, but now does not.
That hasn’t changed, though it’s worth asking post-patch since they did change it for Mug + Hidden Thief, which used to also Reveal you, but now does not.
But mug is supposed to hit the same moment you steal, when it bugs it hits after you stealth. CnD is an animation. If they had been able to include CnD into not revealing the hidden killer user, they also would’ve been able to fix last refuge as the command for that would’ve been “No reveal for x seconds after using hidden killer”. It’s easier to synchronize hidden killer and mug.
Edit: And come to think of it that would’ve been abused as you could basically backstab endlessly without being revealed.
