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So there are no traits for DP or geared towards DP. If you have to take SA on you D/D build go for CiS and regen on stealth. That’s as good as you’re getting in today’s game. They want you playing DD btw and I’d honestly drop SA for DD.

As for the other lines it is what it is. Anet wants you to buy HoT. All classes are in the exact same state. Buy HoT or don’t compete.

Try playing D/D as strictly a burst spec swooping in finishing foes off and not as some 1vX bruiser dueling spec.

Azukas.1426:

So there are no traits for DP or geared towards DP. If you have to take SA on you D/D build go for CiS and regen on stealth. That’s as good as you’re getting in today’s game. They want you playing DD btw and I’d honestly drop SA for DD.

As for the other lines it is what it is. Anet wants you to buy HoT. All classes are in the exact same state. Buy HoT or don’t compete.

Try playing D/D as strictly a burst spec swooping in finishing foes off and not as some 1vX bruiser dueling spec.

No, all these traits are only of use for D/P.
I can’t take fleet shadow, Srej and CiS – If I’d take hidden thief I’d miss out on ~3-4k from my CnD.
D/D only works with DrD if I’d go condi – I hate condi.
So – you understand: There’s no way I can make my D/D power thief work as everything has been taken out of my reach.
Plus other stuff that’s wrong with D/D – the same is for P/D, they also “need” the traits D/D does but they could make hidden thief work.

And again: I’m a wvw solo roamer – I’m on gunnars which has got more roamers than any other server but still I’m mostly alone. I can’t burst in as a +1 – and I’d like to play this game too – especially since I’ve once been able to – losing stuff is always bad.

Jana.6831:

Azukas.1426:

So there are no traits for DP or geared towards DP. If you have to take SA on you D/D build go for CiS and regen on stealth. That’s as good as you’re getting in today’s game. They want you playing DD btw and I’d honestly drop SA for DD.

As for the other lines it is what it is. Anet wants you to buy HoT. All classes are in the exact same state. Buy HoT or don’t compete.

Try playing D/D as strictly a burst spec swooping in finishing foes off and not as some 1vX bruiser dueling spec.

No, all these traits are only of use for D/P.
I can’t take fleet shadow, Srej and CiS – If I’d take hidden thief I’d miss out on ~3-4k from my CnD.
D/D only works with DrD if I’d go condi – I hate condi.
So – you understand: There’s no way I can make my D/D power thief work as everything has been taken out of my reach.
Plus other stuff that’s wrong with D/D – the same is for P/D, they also “need” the traits D/D does but they could make hidden thief work.

And again: I’m a wvw solo roamer – I’m on gunnars which has got more roamers than any other server but still I’m mostly alone. I can’t burst in as a +1 – and I’d like to play this game too – especially since I’ve once been able to – losing stuff is always bad.

So you have to make choices and not have a be all spec…LOL ofc this is how it’s supposed to be.

Yes you can go DD using D/D power. You’ll get 7% damage increase with condi clear on dodge, and either perma swiftness or cripple/damage on evades. I wouldn’t do bound on D/D btw. Play around with different utilities other than SS SR BP/Inf signet Basi. You might find that you have quite a bit of methods to close the gaps and deliver the damage.

Gone are the days of 5>1 111 5>1 111 5>1 111

Azukas.1426:

So you have to make choices and not have a be all spec…LOL ofc this is how it’s supposed to be.

Yes my options: quit this game or play D/P

5111 5111 was because of the initative – we couldn’t affort much else – I did do more than that though – depending on the situation.
I already explained why SA is important to D/D – try your ideas yourself.
But I guess you finally got my point – halfway – btw what was yours again?

ETA: btw: These are my utilities – I know that the DrD untilities are better but I do more than 1 vs 1 in wvw – and I never know in what situation I’ll be next.
Oh, I’m running smoke screen right now as we were capping a tower with only two of us and smoke screen is nice against the rifle of the lord – forgot to switch back and it has proven useful quite a lot of times.

Jana.6831:

Azukas.1426:

So you have to make choices and not have a be all spec…LOL ofc this is how it’s supposed to be.

Yes my options: quit this game or play D/P

5111 5111 was because of the initative – we couldn’t affort much else – I did do more than that though – depending on the situation.
I already explained why SA is important to D/D – try your ideas yourself.
But I guess you finally got my point – halfway – btw what was yours again?

Play what you want just stop crying about your preference while lobbying to get your own class nerfed when the only problem is you.

And this coming from the mesmer who shouted for a gutting of chrono bunker and a PU nerf. I also state that other classes need nerfs as they breach the game balance median and in no way shape or form is DP thief OP.

Thats,from a mesmer too

Wow signet of shadows….I can’t anymore….

Azukas.1426:

Wow signet of shadows….I can’t anymore….

Guess how many times I’ve heard that
They don’t say it anymore after they’re dead though.

I have to add this: What do you lose when D/P will be nerfed? Did you even try to get any of the points I tried and tried to explain to you? Was any of this discussion of any use to you? Or was it really that no one else talked to you and you needed some attention?

Balance is what I want/get

Jana.6831:

Azukas.1426:

So you have to make choices and not have a be all spec…LOL ofc this is how it’s supposed to be.

Yes my options: quit this game or play D/P

5111 5111 was because of the initative – we couldn’t affort much else – I did do more than that though – depending on the situation.
I already explained why SA is important to D/D – try your ideas yourself.
But I guess you finally got my point – halfway – btw what was yours again?

ETA: btw: These are my utilities – I know that the DrD untilities are better but I do more than 1 vs 1 in wvw – and I never know in what situation I’ll be next.
Oh, I’m running smoke screen right now as we were capping a tower with only two of us and smoke screen is nice against the rifle of the lord – forgot to switch back and it has proven useful quite a lot of times.

Wait, no stunbreak? Why signet of shadows? You would be more effective running runes of the traveler and shadowstep.

Jana.6831:

that it’s easier to play D/P than every other set.

D/D condition build is the easiest to play set/build.
I’ve read this entire thread. You’re incredibly biased and outright annoying, I honestly don’t understand why anyone is arguing with you.

Maugetarr.6823:

Wait, no stunbreak? Why signet of shadows? You would be more effective running runes of the traveler and shadowstep.

Withdraw, Blinding powder.
And no – I’m really doing fine. I’d like signet of shadow to be more effective but that’s a whole new topic.

ETA: The why: I’m a scout/solo roamer/brainless zergling. I get into every contested objective – so I’m usually the first when something is being attacked. Using steal for the trickery buffs is nice but then it’s on cooldown and I usually need it when +1-ing. Anet messed their game up a year ago, SoS was more useful before that. I’d like to take fleet shadow to get some of that back but can’t.
Anyway: I tried runes of the traveler and think they’re useless – BUT I’ve got 5 thieves with different gear and all of them are about equally good. Still I think valk gear, rest zerker is the best for various situations (my full zerker thief dies too fast in small scale/zergs, my soldier’s is not that good in small scale). And in my opinion rune of the pack is still the best for vanilla builds – and hey, I get a speed boost with that too.

Shiyo.3578:

Jana.6831:

that it’s easier to play D/P than every other set.

D/D condition build is the easiest to play set/build.
I’ve read this entire thread. You’re incredibly biased and outright annoying, I honestly don’t understand why anyone is arguing with you.

I’m D/D power – you’d knew that if you’d read the whole thread.
But thank you for your informative input!

Jana.6831:

Shiyo.3578:

Jana.6831:

that it’s easier to play D/P than every other set.

D/D condition build is the easiest to play set/build.
I’ve read this entire thread. You’re incredibly biased and outright annoying, I honestly don’t understand why anyone is arguing with you.

I’m D/D power – you’d knew that if you’d read the whole thread.
But thank you for your informative input!

I didn’t say you were d/d condition. I just said it’s the easiest spec, because you seem to think d/p is when it’s not.

Shiyo.3578:

Jana.6831:

Shiyo.3578:

Jana.6831:

that it’s easier to play D/P than every other set.

D/D condition build is the easiest to play set/build.
I’ve read this entire thread. You’re incredibly biased and outright annoying, I honestly don’t understand why anyone is arguing with you.

I’m D/D power – you’d knew that if you’d read the whole thread.
But thank you for your informative input!

I didn’t say you were d/d condition. I just said it’s the easiest spec, because you seem to think d/p is when it’s not.

True – I should’ve made clearer that I’m mainly taking about the vanilla builds.
And even though Acro was buffed D/D condi wouldn’t be as easy without DrD

ETA: After thinking some more of it: D/P still is the easiest set. D/D condi is more of a one spam one trick pony which might succeed or fail.

Bump.
/15 chars walk into a bar

Azukas.1426:

So in 04/2013 we saw a DP and SD buff. Separating FS/LS was a buff.

No it wasn’t. We just wanted the pathing to be fixed not split the skill. The damage was fine, the cost was, and the effect was fine. They broke it.

But I’m not going to argue with your “cool aide” perception on what S/D used to/should be.

Then 8 months later we see a SD nerf and a dagger MH buff 1 year later. This by no means shows that SD was nerfed and DP buffed.

Just because it takes ArenaNet forever to do their updates doesn’t mean that the nerf on S/D was not a buff on D/P. Of all the sets that the Thief has, only D/P benefited from those S/D nerfs.

Sorry you’re wrong, but then your real feelings come out. I highlighted it for all to see….

Yup, that’s all you can do. Just accuse without reason because the facts are too much for you.

You’re upset because anet took away your favorite ball. Instead of understanding that hey maybe my ball wasn’t fair you’ve taken up this self righteous crusade against DP.

You have failed to illustrate what made S/D unfair that it deserved all the nerfed that it received. All you do here is mock with a lot of your nonsense never giving a good reason to support your claim. Calling this thread a “self-righteous crusade againts D/P” is nothing but a dishonest representation of what’s being discussed here.

Thank you for losing this discussion and illustrating the reason why everyone on this forum will now disregard anything you say from now on. Especially on the subject of thieves.

So it’s all about winning and losing for you. Figures.

At the end of the day, regardless of who wins and losses here, the fact remains — D/P is a dominant set and the rest are crap and you have not offered a comprehensive solution to change that

Yes, good day.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Azukas.1426:

So in 04/2013 we saw a DP and SD buff. Separating FS/LS was a buff.

No it wasn’t. We just wanted the pathing to be fixed not split the skill. The damage was fine, the cost was, and the effect was fine. They broke it.

But I’m not going to argue with your “cool aide” perception on what S/D used to/should be.

Because you can’t argue it due to what I say being mired in fact and yours in biased opinion. Also denying being able to FS to queue LS + Steal to instantly strip 3 boons and provide a decent burst was a buff is quite hilarious. P.S. they also fixed FS pathing in that patch

Then 8 months later we see a SD nerf and a dagger MH buff 1 year later. This by no means shows that SD was nerfed and DP buffed.

Just because it takes ArenaNet forever to do their updates doesn’t mean that the nerf on S/D was not a buff on D/P. Of all the sets that the Thief has, only D/P benefited from those S/D nerfs.

No a nerf to SD isn’t a buff to any other weapon set. DP doesn’t magically perform better vs ele’s b/c SD was nerfed. No what happens is the thief class performs worse vs the rest of the game. You need to drop the SDvDPvDDvPDvPP view and embrace Thief v Game related to balance

Sorry you’re wrong, but then your real feelings come out. I highlighted it for all to see….

Yup, that’s all you can do. Just accuse without reason because the facts are too much for you.

“In a sense, I like the same thing to happen to D/P — just keep chopping its legs so other sets can also be picked up”

Your exact quote literally….

You’re upset because anet took away your favorite ball. Instead of understanding that hey maybe my ball wasn’t fair you’ve taken up this self righteous crusade against DP.

You have failed to illustrate what made S/D unfair that it deserved all the nerfed that it received. All you do here is mock with a lot of your nonsense never giving a good reason to support your claim. Calling this thread a “self-righteous crusade againts D/P” is nothing but a dishonest representation of what’s being discussed here.

I don’t need to illustrate what made SD unfair. Anet decided it. Take it up with them. Also i’m not mocking anyone just strictly pointing out what this thread really is. In fact the MAJORITY of people agree with me.

Thank you for losing this discussion and illustrating the reason why everyone on this forum will now disregard anything you say from now on. Especially on the subject of thieves.

So it’s all about winning and losing for you. Figures.

At the end of the day, regardless of who wins and losses here, the fact remains — D/P is a dominant set and the rest are crap and you have not offered a comprehensive solution to change that

Yes, good day.

No DP is not remotely a dominate weaponset in this game so no solution is needed to change your delusional beliefs. I get it. Anet took away your overpowered toy and now instead of accepting the reality of the situation you are on a rampage to make everyone suffer as you have suffered. Get over it please

I replied w/in the post to keep it easier to manage. Please stop before you irrevocably destroy any credibility you have left.

Thank You

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Azukas.1426:

*I don’t need to illustrate what made SD unfair. Anet decided it. Take it up with them.

That’s all I need to know. In the end, your posts were irrelevant and a complete waste of time.

It’s not like you’re the one doing the balance, thus this thread was aimed at ArenaNet in the first place — not you. You just feel like you have to defend something idiotic rather than looking at the state of the profession.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Azukas.1426:

*I don’t need to illustrate what made SD unfair. Anet decided it. Take it up with them.

That’s all I need to know. In the end, your posts were irrelevant and a complete waste of time.

It’s not like you’re the one doing the balance, thus this thread was aimed at ArenaNet in the first place — not you. You just feel like you have to defend something idiotic rather than looking at the state of the profession.

Then make a buff SD thread and do us all a favor and stop littering these forums with propaganda to fuel your delusional reality.

I’d also be more than happy to contribute to said thread

I wouldn’t nerf d/p as much as I’d look into the major culprit, BPS providing a smoke field and the now 2 methods of leap finishing within the same build. Sure there are losses for taking bound instead of unhindered but it makes any build able to utilize x/p very well which wouldn’t be a bad thing if d/p wasn’t already such a strong build.

D/p is imo keeping other sets from being properly buffed.

Want mobility? Try d/p.
Want defense like blind and extra endurance (via dagger auto attack)? Try d/p.
Want dps? Try d/p.
Want a on-demand cc? Try d/p.

It is a great set, however trying to compete against it on any other set is going to take a complete overhaul which is likely never going to happen before they nerf d/p and lightly buff other sets. Other sets are fairly outdated and underperform while d/p has somehow managed to stay on the top from the beginning with little to no changes.