Guild Wars 2

So tecnically daredevil is supposed to be a spec based on dodge and evasion right? But we got only a +1 endurance bar and mathematically we only get one more dodge than any other profession, in fact if u start dodging and use your dodge everytime is possible (this is what often happens during fights) u will just have 1 more dodge than other classes, that from your +1 endurance bar at the start of the fight. If we want to be really evasive we are forced to take daredevil AND acrobatics for the vigor, cause DD alone doesn’t bring us an increased number of dodges during fights. Why do i have to take 2 line trait for let work what it’s supposed to be the playstyle of daredevil?
So the idea is to merge acrobatics with DD, taking the only 3-4 traits usefull from acro, and rework the acroline to give buff focused on pistol and condition damage, or dual skills.
The traits that should be putted into DD are:
Vigorous Recovery Gain vigor when using a healing skill.
Feline Grace Gain vigor upon successfully evading an attack
Endless Stamina The effects of vigor on you are enhanced.
Expeditious Dodger Gain swiftness upon dodging.

You can merge feline grace with Evasive Empowerment, so when you actively dodge something you get +10% bonus damage on next hit and vigor for example.
P.S. sorry for poor english

1. There isn’t anything wrong with 2 traitlines complementing one another. You can choose to run them both or run one of them, the choice is yours. Nobody is forcing it upon you.

2. I’m going to go more in depth as to why you don’t have just one extra dodge per fight. First, you can get more out of things that gain endurance. If you use an energy sigil at 75 endurance, you have 125 endurance, rather than previously only getting 25. Same with signet of agility and other endurance granting skills/traits. Also, let’s say you dodge at 125 endurance and you are left with 75 endurance; you’re closer to your next dodge than you would be with 2 dodges. Since you have more capacity for endurance, you’re able to go over 100, dodge, and still be close to your 2nd dodge. People are looking at this too close-mindedly without thinking about it mechanically.

3. From my experience playing daredevil, it’s not even hard to get to full endurance, even without Brawler’s Tenacity or Vigor. And it’s going to be even better, considering Endurance Thief is getting fixed. The physical heal is also going down in channel time, although not in this beta, so that will improve regen as well.

4. While an extra dodge may not be the most exciting thing in the world, it is unique to the Daredevil and effective, despite what others may say. But I don’t think the traits from Acro and DD need merged; rather Acrobatics needs buffed without overpowering Daredevil when used in unison. Right now, Acrobatics + DD is purely an evasive playstyle. Daredevil with Deadly Arts or Critical Strikes has good sustainability with more damage, and more weakness. Do remember that weakness is a defense as well, and it’s not PURELY dodges. You also have a nice block, and weapon skill evades/blinds. So you don’t have to waste your whole dodge bar at once, which is what I’m assuming a lot of people do, leading to the comments about 50 endurance only being usable at the start of a fight. This goes well with my 2nd point. You can also stunlock people, and save up endurance while you’re killing the opponent.

Edit: In conclusion, 50 extra endurance on paper may not sound that good, but in practical use is pretty good, and you can run Acrobatics with Daredevil but you certainly don’t have to. It has enough sustain on its own.

i have been reading all over the place. I am just going to keep my rage until Tuesday.

Kocoff.7582:

i have been reading all over the place. I am just going to keep my rage until Tuesday.

same

Core thief better get some kitten good improvements.

I think the opposite as you OP.

Acrobatics should be restored to what it was in the past. Once Daredevil’s grandmaster traits gets fixed and given to us baseline, you can put dodge effect traits in there. Stuff like:

• Offense – Dodges do 20% more damage. After a successful evade, your next attack has a 100% chance to crit. (icd 10 or so)
• Defense – Evading an attack causes 1/4 second daze.
• Utility – Boons and Conditions triggered by dodging have a 33% longer duration.

Thief is all about mobility, and what better way to encourage that than remaking Acrobatics into Thief’s mobility line? A +25% movespeed minor—ala Chronomancer—would go a long way toward reinforcing Thief’s profession identity.

If they’re going to keep talking game on Thief being “the most mobile”, they need to show it. Currently, 90% of our mobility is inextricably linked to Shortbow #5, and that creates an untold amount of problems.

Amante.8109:

Thief is all about mobility, and what better way to reinforce that idea than Acrobatics being remade into our “mobility line”? A +25% movespeed minor—similar to what Chronomancer is getting—would go a long way toward reinforcing Thief’s profession identity.

I agree. Daredevil aside all of our future elite specs will require some high mobiility that fits right into the acrobatics line.

Amante.8109:

Thief is all about mobility, and what better way to encourage that than remaking Acrobatics into Thief’s mobility line? A +25% movespeed minor

Aw, but I wanted a baseline increase. Sadz all day :-(

Kageseigi.2150:

Aw, but I wanted a baseline increase. Sadz all day :-(

As much as I’d like to see interesting differences between professions on a baseline level, it seems to be against their design philosophy. Still, having meaningful playstyle differences attached to minors is a good enough compromise.

It’s not a daredevil issue, but i feel like i MUST take trickery with every spec i play.
Without the 3 extra initiative thief feels so much more boring and useless .

I would love to see a dev playing thief without trickery , perhaps they will then notice how dependant we are from trickery.

The steal cooldown is nice, but we can live without , but +3 initiative is a gamebreaker for every spec out there , it’s like attument cooldown was for ele .

alchemyst.2165:

despite what others may say

Oh really. You mean despite what others, such as the developers of the content itself may say?

https://youtu.be/K2ZHhJQn0B8?t=67

Most of the content of heart of thorns where there’s gonna be a lot more pressure on the player that you simply can’t dodge to survive.

Do you know better than the people who are designing the actual content? Somehow I doubt it.

The daredevil spec was confirmed garbage at twitchcon this weekend.

wolfpaq.7354:

alchemyst.2165:

despite what others may say

Oh really. You mean despite what others, such as the developers of the content itself may say?

https://youtu.be/K2ZHhJQn0B8?t=67

Most of the content of heart of thorns where there’s gonna be a lot more pressure on the player that you simply can’t dodge to survive.

Do you know better than the people who are designing the actual content? Somehow I doubt it.

The daredevil spec was confirmed garbage at twitchcon this weekend.

I just want to know how people get this info, not saying I do not believe you but just like the other guy who got the pictures of the drawing board lol.

lvis.3824:

It’s not a daredevil issue, but i feel like i MUST take trickery with every spec i play.
Without the 3 extra initiative thief feels so much more boring and useless .

I would love to see a dev playing thief without trickery , perhaps they will then notice how dependant we are from trickery.

The steal cooldown is nice, but we can live without , but +3 initiative is a gamebreaker for every spec out there , it’s like attument cooldown was for ele .

This is indirectly intended of them it is the same for every class unless you are in WvW or PvE anything works there. Possibly for balance purposes because everyone realized this after a couple hours on a class they’ve made those classes..

Ryou.2398:

I just want to know how people get this info, not saying I do not believe you but just like the other guy who got the pictures of the drawing board lol.

I’m confused by what you mean. The youtube video I linked was to the presentation of the new ranger elite spec by an arenanet developer.

That’s right. That is an arenanet developer sitting there saying that dodge will not be enough to survive most of the expansion content.

Meanwhile another arenanet developer goes and designs our entire elite spec around dodge.

Best suggestion imo is to start all over with DD, scrap everything thus far. Take ideas from the community and release the new Elite Specialization again whenever it’s ready.

I’d personally rather wait a bit longer for something that has effort put into it, than use something that looks like it was thrown together overnight in a hurry.

wolfpaq.7354:

Ryou.2398:

I just want to know how people get this info, not saying I do not believe you but just like the other guy who got the pictures of the drawing board lol.

I’m confused by what you mean. The youtube video I linked was to the presentation of the new ranger elite spec by an arenanet developer.

That’s right. That is an arenanet developer sitting there saying that dodge will not be enough to survive most of the expansion content.

Meanwhile another arenanet developer goes and designs our entire elite spec around dodge.

Just wait until tuesday and he said by dodging alone he didnt say dodge would be useless.
Also since dd gets more dodge capability maybe they meant most classes.

He is camping here

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Anet-looking-for-an-idea-for-Earthen-Proxy

Shogun.7401:

He is camping here

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Anet-looking-for-an-idea-for-Earthen-Proxy

He has three E-specs to work on…you can’t expect him to ignore the other 2 because we are screaming loudly -.-

Edit: In fact, the majority of his posts in the last week were here in the Daredevil Feedback thread.