Guild Wars 2

Scrap Powerful Banners… replace with POWERFUL SHOUTS!

Powerful Shouts
Shouts do damage and daze when using a shout.
Damage: Same as Powerful banners
Daze: ¼ s
Range: 600

The one thing warriors dont need is more access to CC, lol.

Cufufalating.8479:

The one thing warriors dont need is more access to CC, lol.

Its mostly an interrupt.

Cufufalating.8479:

The one thing warriors dont need is more access to CC, lol.

Yea and guardians dont need more heals/ability to be tanky but they are getting buffed on heals so we need stuff at our speciality or thats not fair

I’d be ok with shouts doing damage, but a daze? We have enough access to CC (its one of the classes perks) but I feel like that would be going too far. I feel like people wouldn’t trait into it without the daze though. Theres already so much good in that trait line. Maybe have shouts give a short protection? Warrior hardly has access to this boon at all.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’d be ok with shouts doing damage, but a daze? We have enough access to CC (its one of the classes perks) but I feel like that would be going too far. I feel like people wouldn’t trait into it without the daze though. Theres already so much good in that trait line. Maybe have shouts give a short protection? Warrior hardly has access to this boon at all.

Well, normally shouts are used to scare or interrupt someone.

a 1/4 daze is pretty much an interrupt.

Daecollo.9578:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’d be ok with shouts doing damage, but a daze? We have enough access to CC (its one of the classes perks) but I feel like that would be going too far. I feel like people wouldn’t trait into it without the daze though. Theres already so much good in that trait line. Maybe have shouts give a short protection? Warrior hardly has access to this boon at all.

Well, normally shouts are used to scare or interrupt someone.

a 1/4 daze is pretty much an interrupt.

The problem with this is that traited shouts do have a relatively short cool down. Its a good idea but I feel it wouldn’t go over well without some other balances. Other than that you’ll have the typical QQ this forum has recently about warrior CC… er, I mean warrior ANYTHING.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Daecollo.9578:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’d be ok with shouts doing damage, but a daze? We have enough access to CC (its one of the classes perks) but I feel like that would be going too far. I feel like people wouldn’t trait into it without the daze though. Theres already so much good in that trait line. Maybe have shouts give a short protection? Warrior hardly has access to this boon at all.

Well, normally shouts are used to scare or interrupt someone.

a 1/4 daze is pretty much an interrupt.

The problem with this is that traited shouts do have a relatively short cool down. Its a good idea but I feel it wouldn’t go over well without some other balances. Other than that you’ll have the typical QQ this forum has recently about warrior CC… er, I mean warrior ANYTHING.

I thought the daze was cool, but what about the damage?

Daecollo.9578:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Daecollo.9578:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’d be ok with shouts doing damage, but a daze? We have enough access to CC (its one of the classes perks) but I feel like that would be going too far. I feel like people wouldn’t trait into it without the daze though. Theres already so much good in that trait line. Maybe have shouts give a short protection? Warrior hardly has access to this boon at all.

Well, normally shouts are used to scare or interrupt someone.

a 1/4 daze is pretty much an interrupt.

The problem with this is that traited shouts do have a relatively short cool down. Its a good idea but I feel it wouldn’t go over well without some other balances. Other than that you’ll have the typical QQ this forum has recently about warrior CC… er, I mean warrior ANYTHING.

I thought the daze was cool, but what about the damage?

Originally said I liked the damage idea. I’ll support that idea. What if shouts turned a boon into a condition on enemies?

Cufufalating.8479:

The one thing warriors dont need is more access to CC, lol.

1/4 second daze is soo much CC! must nerf!

1/4 s daze is more of just an interrupt. Not a slowdown or cc.

Shouts do damage when using a shout?

Olba.5376:

Shouts do damage when using a shout?

Yep. Like banners do damage when you use them.

I came up with an idea for a trait to add a 1/4 sec stun to warhorn skills. Like 2 days ago.

I think it would make warhorn more attractive and is actually telegraphed(unlike shouts) and therefore much more balanced.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Angriff-1935/showposts

Angriff.1935:

I came up with an idea for a trait to add a 1/4 sec stun to warhorn skills. Like 2 days ago.

I think it would make warhorn more attractive and is actually telegraphed(unlike shouts) and therefore much more balanced.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Angriff-1935/showposts

Why would Warhorns do damage?

A shout makes much more sense.

Why would a shout do damage?

I also don’t think that warriors need to do untelegraphed dazes and damage that also can heal and give boons and remove conditions.

See where I’m going with this?

The warhorn just simply isn’t a very attractive weapon to use as it has very little offense and the defense is entirely reliant on condi clearing and vigor. With a trait to provide dazes you could use it to stop rezing or to trip up your opponent a little bit.

I want to see a balanced warrior that can use any weapon he chooses and have it be viable. We need more reasons to choose lesser used weapon sets.

Angriff.1935:

Why would a shout do damage?

I also don’t think that warriors need to do untelegraphed dazes and damage that also can heal and give boons and remove conditions.

See where I’m going with this?

The warhorn just simply isn’t a very attractive weapon to use as it has very little offense and the defense is entirely reliant on condi clearing and vigor. With a trait to provide dazes you could use it to stop rezing or to trip up your opponent a little bit.

I want to see a balanced warrior that can use any weapon he chooses and have it be viable. We need more reasons to choose lesser used weapon sets.

That is /EXACTLY/ WHAT shouts do, AND did in real life as well.

ITS IN OUR FREAKING CLASS DESCRIPTION..

Warriors inspire allies and demoralize enemies. As a soldier profession, warriors wear heavy armor.

Where in that description does it say that we yell so loudly that out voice causes physical harm?

Oh and by the way we already have a shout that makes enemies run away

I think you need some sleep Daecollo, you’ve been up for too many days posting on these forums, and I think its starting to get to you

Angriff.1935:

Where in that description does it say that we yell so loudly that out voice causes physical harm?

Oh and by the way we already have a shout that makes enemies run away

I think you need some sleep Daecollo, you’ve been up for too many days posting on these forums, and I think its starting to get to you

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110621131955AAJ0woA

i like the idea of daze with shout, but there should be an internal CD to prevent overpower, i think 5~10 sec to prevent chain daze in a roll. And i don’t think shout should do damage, daze along is good enough.

I prefer “Tactical Intercept” instead, the trait allow banner do damage and shout do daze at the same time.

Crossaber.8934:

i like the idea of daze with shout, but there should be an internal CD to prevent overpower, i think 5~10 sec to prevent chain daze in a roll. And i don’t think shout should do damage, daze along is good enough.

I prefer “Tactical Intercept” instead, the trait allow banner do damage and shout do daze at the same time.

It should do damage, to hurt there ears.

In battle the damage (isn’t that high.) but since its a game, it has to take into account how much mental damage that can actually do in a real fight. Screaming at someone is a very good tactic.

Mentally, screaming in someones face hurts like hell.

Damage would be so neglgable it wouldn’t be worth taking. Daze would cause balancing issues and would required the cool downs to be increased. I would like shake it off to give vigor as well as be a cleanse. On my mark to give stability instead of vulnerability which is useless.

Maybe change one of the minor traits to have this? Maybe the 15 point so it’s just there?

KarlusDavius.1024:

Damage would be so neglgable it wouldn’t be worth taking. Daze would cause balancing issues and would required the cool downs to be increased. I would like shake it off to give vigor as well as be a cleanse. On my mark to give stability instead of vulnerability which is useless.

Maybe change one of the minor traits to have this? Maybe the 15 point so it’s just there?

Why would a 1/4 daze cause Balancing Issues that is a really strong word without anything to back it up?

It would make http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes a really nice trait for one, and give warriors a viable 20/20/X/30/X Bleed/Confusion Spec.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_field

This constantly dazes people over and over for ¼ seconds, way more then all the shouts we have.

this would be hilariously OP with perplexity runes and distracing strikes – putting 8 stacks of confusion on anything around the warrior on a 7-8 second cooldown, lol! the warhorn has another very strong defensive tool besides vigor and condi cleanse btw – call to arms gives weakness for 6 seconds – use it to shut down power bursts.

People still read/reply/take seriously Daecollo’s suggestions?

Daecollo.9578:

Angriff.1935:

I came up with an idea for a trait to add a 1/4 sec stun to warhorn skills. Like 2 days ago.

I think it would make warhorn more attractive and is actually telegraphed(unlike shouts) and therefore much more balanced.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Angriff-1935/showposts

Why would Warhorns do damage?

A shout makes much more sense.

Warhorn is a very loud Shout makes double sense xD

anyway these suggestion are too OP.

imagine a shout warrior with Perplexity runes , instant QQ.

Reminds me of KungFu Hustle

Shout on steroids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lanjFi6qo
Warhorn on steroids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT8xt6XDs_U

Juba.8406:

anyway these suggestion are too OP.

imagine a shout warrior with Perplexity runes , instant QQ.

Sounds more balanced then what other classes get.

Also this suggestion is for SPVP, WvWvW / PvE is not balanced.

Daecollo.9578:

Scrap Powerful Banners… replace with POWERFUL SHOUTS!

Powerful Shouts
Shouts do damage and daze when using a shout.
Damage: Same as Powerful banners
Daze: ¼ s
Range: 600

I support a Powerful Shouts trait. But damage is boring, we have plenty of ways to do damage. Lets have it do something more interesting, a debuff like Weakness 2s, or Cripple 2s, or a stack of bleed or something.

Daze, however, is far too strong.
Imagine, 1 warrior fighting in 5v5 battle. Shake it off, FGJ, On my mark.
The warrior will be shouting every 7 seconds (rounded for simplicity)

Interrupting 5 people, every 7 seconds is pretty strong, but it gets worse when you add in multiple warriors.

5 warriors, all shouting non-stop. On average, they will be shouting every 1.4 seconds.
All enemies will be dazed and interrupted every 1.4 seconds, for the entire duration of the fight.

And thats not even mentioning what happens when you combine that with distracting strikes, and perplex runes. Even solo, you’d have 15+ stacks on confusion on all foes at all times without even trying. Yeah thats not at ALL overpowered.

Typically Daecollo post.

Dand.8231:

Daecollo.9578:

Scrap Powerful Banners… replace with POWERFUL SHOUTS!

Powerful Shouts
Shouts do damage and daze when using a shout.
Damage: Same as Powerful banners
Daze: ¼ s
Range: 600

I support a Powerful Shouts trait. But damage is boring, we have plenty of ways to do damage. Lets have it do something more interesting, a debuff like Weakness 2s, or Cripple 2s, or a stack of bleed or something.

Daze, however, is far too strong.
Imagine, 1 warrior fighting in 5v5 battle. Shake it off, FGJ, On my mark.
The warrior will be shouting every 7 seconds (rounded for simplicity)

Interrupting 5 people, every 7 seconds is pretty strong, but it gets worse when you add in multiple warriors.

5 warriors, all shouting non-stop. On average, they will be shouting every 1.4 seconds.
All enemies will be dazed and interrupted every 1.4 seconds, for the entire duration of the fight.

And thats not even mentioning what happens when you combine that with distracting strikes, and perplex runes. Even solo, you’d have 15+ stacks on confusion on all foes at all times without even trying. Yeah thats not at ALL overpowered.

Typically Daecollo post.

Daze does not stack over itself. If all 5 warriors used there shouts at the exact same time, it would still be a 1/4 second daze. it does not stack up.

Also, that pretty much sums up a single Combo Field: Lightning. Except its more powerful.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Diversion-daze-doesn-t-stack-duration

“Daze is an effect caused by some skills which interrupts and prevents the target from using skills for a period of time. It does not stack in duration.”

Please learn mechanics before making a post.

what does “every 1.4 seconds” have to do with duration stacking when talking about interrupts? please l2comprehend.

Steelo.4597:

what does “every 1.4 seconds” have to do with duration stacking when talking about interrupts? please l2comprehend.

That is /VERY/ Coordinated, and probably wouldn’t be viable. It would take one stability to prevent that entire attack.

Dand.8231:

Daecollo.9578:

Scrap Powerful Banners… replace with POWERFUL SHOUTS!

Powerful Shouts
Shouts do damage and daze when using a shout.
Damage: Same as Powerful banners
Daze: ¼ s
Range: 600

The warrior will be shouting every 7 seconds (rounded for simplicity)

I’d like to point out that the shortest cooldowns on any shouts are 20 seconds (both shake it off and for great justice) WITH the cooldown trait. 25 seconds without. I dont know where these people get their ridiculous shouting every 10 seconds mindset.

from the 3 utility slots? >.< come on, man

Steelo.4597:

from the 3 utility slots? >.< come on, man

Running 3 shouts? Sounds like a pretty terrible build to me.

I guess since you are suggesting 3 aoe interrupts on 20 sec cd at 600 range.You could aswell suggest a Nuke as elite on 40 second cooldown at this pace.Wait, that would mean giving up fury and swiftness; better make it unblockable autoattack.

mini.6018:

I guess since you are suggesting 3 aoe interrupts on 20 sec cd at 600 range.You could aswell suggest a Nuke as elite on 40 second cooldown at this pace.Wait, that would mean giving up fury and swiftness; better make it unblockable autoattack.

Sounds fair to me, however they arn’t all 20 second CD.

Yeah, sorry! One is 24s and another possible activation every 30 seconds as a second shake it off :p
Im starting to stack on perplexiry runes Asap.I will be the new gw2 tycoon in notime

does anyone happen to know if shrug it off’ cooldown is reduced by lung capacity awell?

Never tested it and could be very hard to depending on constant condition poping up or if it even activates while having condies on you or the 2 new conditions applied after the cd is up.Tbh i never even noticed a heal if traited for heals so it’s in a really shady spot for me.Sort of like certain sigils sharing cds type of mess.

I think that giving a daze or even damage to shouts would be totally asinine.

There’s already enough instant cast, un-telegraphed crap in this game and the warrior doesn’t need that.

This idea is basically a “hey wouldn’t it be cool,” but it wouldn’t be.

Imagine a warrior that heals around 1100 hp per second AND interrupts you when it heals AND its also nearly immune to conditions AND it hits like a truck.

It would just be plain bad for the game.

If shouts had a cast time it would make much more sense, but they don’t.

That’s why a trait like this would be much better suited to the warhorn skills. Not only can they see that you’re carrying a warhorn, but you also would have to cast the skills.

Even if the warhorn got something like that, it might be over-the-top.

And with that I’m done here!

Angriff.1935:

I think that giving a daze or even damage to shouts would be totally asinine.

There’s already enough instant cast, un-telegraphed crap in this game and the warrior doesn’t need that.

This idea is basically a “hey wouldn’t it be cool,” but it wouldn’t be.

Imagine a warrior that heals around 1100 hp per second AND interrupts you when it heals AND its also nearly immune to conditions AND it hits like a truck.

It would just be plain bad for the game.

If shouts had a cast time it would make much more sense, but they don’t.

That’s why a trait like this would be much better suited to the warhorn skills. Not only can they see that you’re carrying a warhorn, but you also would have to cast the skills.

Even if the warhorn got something like that, it might be over-the-top.

And with that I’m done here!

“Immune to conditions” How?

Berserker stance.Yes yes ,it won’t affect +duration speech,but it doesnt.I never received any condition while having it active and i find it hard to believe that none on the average of 100 necros i fought in spvp in the last 2 months had at least 10% duration from either build, rune or sigil.

Idk if working as intended like engies version or a bug.But is no real problem imo cuz of long cd.It only affects spammers.

Oh noes i spammed all my weapon skills and utilty and now im sitting duck when instead i should have notice it before the 8seconds and couple dozen of "IMMUNE " being spammed on my screen.

You could always make it a Grandmaster trait and instead of dazing your target, make shouts deal damage and be consider like blast finishers, that would actualy make shouts a lot more versatile when playing with a group.

As always, your idea is totally OP.
Every 25man Guild Group runs ATLEAST 5 warrior with a shout build
GG mass interupts

“demoralize enemies.”?
Add vurnability on shouts.

mini.6018:

Berserker stance.Yes yes ,it won’t affect +duration speech,but it doesnt.I never received any condition while having it active and i find it hard to believe that none on the average of 100 necros i fought in spvp in the last 2 months had at least 10% duration from either build, rune or sigil.

Idk if working as intended like engies version or a bug.But is no real problem imo cuz of long cd.It only affects spammers.

Oh noes i spammed all my weapon skills and utilty and now im sitting duck when instead i should have notice it before the 8seconds and couple dozen of "IMMUNE " being spammed on my screen.

Ok.. your complaining about Shouts, However they take up a Utility Slot, I can’t be a Shout Warrior AND have Berserker Stance.

I would be nerfing myself.

I was only giving you an answer tbh .The guy above me was complaining.Weird interpretation since there is not 1 single word suggesting whine, actually the post you quoted is defending it.Also yeah.berserker stance is a terrible choice on a shout build.

I disagree.

Shouts should remain support.

If anything, they should buff Physical skills. They are the CC/interrupts of the warrior.

runeblade.7514:

I disagree.

Shouts should remain support.

If anything, they should buff Physical skills. They are the CC/interrupts of the warrior.

Nobody cares about physical skills, they are basicly “Arcane.” skills except worthless.