Guild Wars 2

wow @ FABL just now

Don’t make an alliance and 1v2 us Guys.

Absolutely unreal fight.

Maniac.5163:

I’m just gonna say it – just my opinion so feel free to flame back.
FA has made some terrible strat decisions in the last two days, we are lacking communication and our supply camp control blows.
We have a lot of room for improvement in all timezones.

All the servers in tier 3 have room for massive improvements, and that’s why we’re tier 3, and have stabilised there. We have some level of organisation when certain people and certain guilds are online, but we run around like chickens with our heads cut off when those voices of reason and direction are not present. We run around like chickens even when they are, a lot of the time.

Too often in these threads we tend only to congratulate ourselves, or offer dubious compliments (I really enjoyed the fight at so and so, thanks for all the free badges! ) instead of admitting our faults and failures. FA, YB, TC, none of us are WvW elites.

In EB, TC does very, very well at camp defense when certain folks are around, but at other times we will let a fully upgraded camp fall to 5 people. We’ll throw ourselves at SM for 6 hours when we should have been wiping yaks and hitting camps and making opportunistic attacks at towers. We’ll sit inside SM and turtle instead of AoEing trebs, or we’ll allow 1 treb at Durios to knock down a wall without countering it >.>

Only by admitting and recognising our failings can we hope to improve on them. So my respect to you for being willing to admit that. ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen

@LieutenantGoogle.7326

Yea, was pretty interesting happened there XD there was about 5+ of you guys i think standing there above the Dawn’s tower wall, with only some of you shooting down, or even go down to smash up which you could have over thrown us when we were only a few there catapulting the wall XD

i was the one drop the sup catapult and hitting your wall with it, cheers!
The Norn Warrior with Juggernaut

OldFrightful.2469:

wow @ FABL just now

Don’t make an alliance and 1v2 Guys

Alliance, assemble!

Bit.2519:

OldFrightful.2469:

wow @ FABL just now

Don’t make an alliance and 1v2 Guys

Alliance, assemble!

Even better, lets all organise a dance party so we can screen shot TC, Yaks and FA all working together… 3v0!!! FTW <sigh>

Furienify.5738:

Absolutely unreal fight.

Yeah, I haven’t been a fight that epic since week one of release!

Dear FA,

I was aghast to note you have a bot problem. Fear not however, for I took care of it for you.

skycrow.4821:

@LieutenantGoogle.7326

Yea, was pretty interesting happened there XD there was about 5+ of you guys i think standing there above the Dawn’s tower wall, with only some of you shooting down, or even go down to smash up which you could have over thrown us when we were only a few there catapulting the wall XD

i was the one drop the sup catapult and hitting your wall with it, cheers!
The Norn Warrior with Juggernaut

Yea, I couldn’t even play WvW anymore after I arrived at the tower after taking a camp only to find 5 people running up the ramp as the wall was about to collapse, to see a catapult was still 100% ._.
And the catapult being literally 3 feet away from the cliff >,<
1 fear bomb would’ve pushed you guys off too (maybe be overestimating the fear shout).

I know at this point I’m whining but I was seriously ticked off that we lost something that was so easily avoidable :x

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

skycrow.4821:

@LieutenantGoogle.7326

Yea, was pretty interesting happened there XD there was about 5+ of you guys i think standing there above the Dawn’s tower wall, with only some of you shooting down, or even go down to smash up which you could have over thrown us when we were only a few there catapulting the wall XD

i was the one drop the sup catapult and hitting your wall with it, cheers!
The Norn Warrior with Juggernaut

Yea, I couldn’t even play WvW anymore after I arrived at the tower after taking a camp only to find 5 people running up the ramp as the wall was about to collapse, to see a catapult was still 100% ._.
And the catapult being literally 3 feet away from the cliff >,<
1 fear bomb would’ve pushed you guys off too (maybe be overestimating the fear shout).

I know at this point I’m whining but I was seriously ticked off that we lost something that was so easily avoidable :x

hahah, i know how that feel bro
FYI you guys was not able to spot us catapulting your wall, until around about 20-30% left of the Dawn’s Wall HP as you know how can a Superior Catapult can hurt a Wooden Wall soo fast^^

Score update:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

@Kalemar

I usually don’t care about the emotes. If it annoys me its usually because I played poorly and agree a little with their laughs. What inspired the post was the disappointment. I really looked up to TC because of previous experiences.

Ah well. Its just a game, and I have some reading to do.

fivekiller.1432:

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

Indeed. I am curious as to how exactly we took that? We had seemingly less people than both servers and yet pushed TC out of the lord room and FA didn’t even bother to fight it out after that. We even split our forces between the keep room doorway and then pursuing FA folks. Also FA, the portal bombs are getting old, and predictable. Find a new trick.

I think the portal bombs are a new trick to be honest, one that we learned from TC this week. I had never seen more than one portal bomb before this week. Just my 2 cents though.

justice.3256:

fivekiller.1432:

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

Indeed. I am curious as to how exactly we took that? We had seemingly less people than both servers and yet pushed TC out of the lord room and FA didn’t even bother to fight it out after that. We even split our forces between the keep room doorway and then pursuing FA folks. Also FA, the portal bombs are getting old, and predictable. Find a new trick.

we simply did what Yaks do well.

we got in the circle.

i have a screenshot if you’d like to see the strat in action.

Bedinar.1754:

I think the portal bombs are a new trick to be honest, one that we learned from TC this week. I had never seen more than one portal bomb before this week. Just my 2 cents though.

Probably have seen it soo much now that I forgot who we first saw it from. It is an old trick imo now that it has been over done and is easily counterable if you notice it.

Bedinar.1754:

I think the portal bombs are a new trick to be honest, one that we learned from TC this week. I had never seen more than one portal bomb before this week. Just my 2 cents though.

YB were doing them all the time when we first played them. TOG guild in particular tried to portal bomb us every time we met for the first couple of days.

Score update brought to you by:

RAMMALOT BRAND YAK-JERKY.
it puts the hair on you

http://i.imgur.com/o7YDj.jpg

Urrid.4593:

Score update brought to you by:

RAMMALOT BRAND YAK-JERKY.
it puts the hair on you

http://i.imgur.com/o7YDj.jpg

Looks like more of a Rammhenge to me.

Suitable music from Rammstein.

justice.3256:

fivekiller.1432:

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

Indeed. I am curious as to how exactly we took that? We had seemingly less people than both servers and yet pushed TC out of the lord room and FA didn’t even bother to fight it out after that. We even split our forces between the keep room doorway and then pursuing FA folks. Also FA, the portal bombs are getting old, and predictable. Find a new trick.

A group of TC’s kept the south group of FA at bay by repairing walls/destroying siege long enough for YB to take SM for about 15-30 minutes, cutting off FA reinforcements.

I don’t know if that was intentional on our leader’s part (that we concede SM to YB rather than FA) or if we really thought we could hold SM altogether.

Also I would like to express my gratitude towards the YB folks who almost took Duros after they took SM.

justice.3256:

fivekiller.1432:

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

Indeed. I am curious as to how exactly we took that? We had seemingly less people than both servers and yet pushed TC out of the lord room and FA didn’t even bother to fight it out after that. We even split our forces between the keep room doorway and then pursuing FA folks. Also FA, the portal bombs are getting old, and predictable. Find a new trick.

We (those of us leading) didn’t want FA to have SM. When it became clear that the position was untenable, focusing FA to prevent them from taking it while YB moved in from the north allowed you folks to get the cap.

It’s the same reason I /pointed 10 times from the south wall to a few YB 5min later, to make sure you all saw FA’s cats and wiped them – we were on our way to do it for you had you not paid attention.

And if you saw a lone female TC on the walls of outer SM when FA burst through again – once more, that was me reporting on the situation to make sure FA wouldn’t take SM. Were they ever in a position to do so, we would have wiped them for you. We didn’t need to, because YB put up some great defense, and eventually your wall upgrade kicked in.

Also, I’m not saying we’re the sole reason you took and held SM. I’m just saying we ‘wanted’ you to have it, and keep it, and were working to ensure that after you claimed it from us. Why? Because FA is much closer in points value, and we don’t want them getting any more than they already have

Great night, great fights. Well done to all servers. FA, one day the people who sit at SM all the time are going to learn to check that southern wall. One day. I was the engineer who kept running up to solo your catapults (sloooowly) and repair the walls. Good times.

Some strong leadership and good organisation tonight on TC’s part in EB – well done to all involved.

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

Urrid.4593:

Score update brought to you by:

RAMMALOT BRAND YAK-JERKY.
it puts the hair on you

http://i.imgur.com/o7YDj.jpg

Eeeee, loving how close this match up is!

This isn’t going to help the 2v1 allegations at all :P

Arkard.3970:

Dear FA,

I was aghast to note you have a bot problem. Fear not however, for I took care of it for you.

Good work.

Vagrant.1094:

Maniac.5163:

I’m just gonna say it – just my opinion so feel free to flame back.
FA has made some terrible strat decisions in the last two days, we are lacking communication and our supply camp control blows.
We have a lot of room for improvement in all timezones.

All the servers in tier 3 have room for massive improvements, and that’s why we’re tier 3, and have stabilised there. We have some level of organisation when certain people and certain guilds are online, but we run around like chickens with our heads cut off when those voices of reason and direction are not present. We run around like chickens even when they are, a lot of the time.

Too often in these threads we tend only to congratulate ourselves, or offer dubious compliments (I really enjoyed the fight at so and so, thanks for all the free badges! ) instead of admitting our faults and failures. FA, YB, TC, none of us are WvW elites.

In EB, TC does very, very well at camp defense when certain folks are around, but at other times we will let a fully upgraded camp fall to 5 people. We’ll throw ourselves at SM for 6 hours when we should have been wiping yaks and hitting camps and making opportunistic attacks at towers. We’ll sit inside SM and turtle instead of AoEing trebs, or we’ll allow 1 treb at Durios to knock down a wall without countering it >.>

Only by admitting and recognising our failings can we hope to improve on them. So my respect to you for being willing to admit that. ^^

~Nyari Cil, Queen

Most of those are just typical of pub zergs which can be found on every server. When you see a group of Gods, Pro, or other major FA WvWvW guilds you’ll rarely if ever see major issues. But when you get a group of random pubs together they have an impressive ability to run around in large groups accomplishing nothing. The other week versus Yak’s I saw a large group of players take everything in the the northern area of EB except, and then fail at taking the keep because people were standing around autoattacking the gate instead of making supply runs. The other day I saw a group of about 15 auto attacking a tower gate (it was at around 90%) without any siege. I decided to see how long they’d keep at it. At 80% I got bored and dropped a flame ram, only for it to get half built because in this group of 15 only 2-3 people had supply.

But we’ll get plenty of practice. From the looks of things, we’ll be doing this again next week.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

DivineBeing.2086:

wombat.6123:

The FA recruitment thread just confirmed OBEY moved to FA. It also stated they are primarily a PvE guild, and from the numbers I’m hearing very few of them do WvW.

If you’re a primarily PvE guild than why even bother forcing 700+ members to switch servers? Seems pretty pointless.

Oh well though, it only hurts FA if that is true. More pver’s = less potential wvwers.

Your math is wonky.
Even if most of the incoming players are pve, more players still means more players will be doing wvw.

My math is fine. I bolded potential because that is exactly what it is.

If you have X guild who’s primary focus is PvE that just transferred 700 (arbitrary number, I get it) member to your server. That’s 700 LESS hardcore dedicated WvW players that you can have in your server. So if another hardcore wvw guild wanted to join they now have 700 fewer slots to play with.

Will some of those pve players play in WvW? Yes. But not as hardcore or dedicated as a primary focus WvW guild would be.

Either way, I am not attacking you, just merely pointing out the fact.

kanikani.2430:

I agree, I am typically preoccupied in WvW and I do not take great offense to it really and don’t pay much attention to emotes in general to be honest, be it good or bad. And just because someone didn’t bow or salute doesn’t mean they didn’t appreciate the skill or fight or whatever. I have seen plenty of good sports on ever server we have played. I was just saying.

Oh please don’t take my comment as being negative at what you said in any way, I was just suggesting that if you’re one of the people like me, who WP pretty much right after death, you won’t see the other player make an emote. I’ve noticed some people will stick around, but as soon as you run up to them, they’ll WP, perhaps thinking you’re about to pull some kitteny move that they have no time for.

Static.9841:

kanikani.2430:

I agree, I am typically preoccupied in WvW and I do not take great offense to it really and don’t pay much attention to emotes in general to be honest, be it good or bad. And just because someone didn’t bow or salute doesn’t mean they didn’t appreciate the skill or fight or whatever. I have seen plenty of good sports on ever server we have played. I was just saying.

Oh please don’t take my comment as being negative at what you said in any way, I was just suggesting that if you’re one of the people like me, who WP pretty much right after death, you won’t see the other player make an emote. I’ve noticed some people will stick around, but as soon as you run up to them, they’ll WP, perhaps thinking you’re about to pull some kitteny move that they have no time for.

I’m in the same boat as you. The only reason I would bother sitting around is:

1. my group is still fighting and it would be more productive for me to wait for a res than to run back

2. I am spying

If it’s #2, then the other team has every right to /dance, /laugh, /cry, /whatevertheywant because it means they are more busy wasting time on my already dead corpse than doing something productive, therefore I am STILL helping my team – even while dead.

If it’s not one of those 2 though, I don’t bother waiting around long enough to even care what they want to do for their jollies.

Vagrant.1094:

We (those of us leading) didn’t want FA to have SM. When it became clear that the position was untenable, focusing FA to prevent them from taking it while YB moved in from the north allowed you folks to get the cap.

It’s the same reason I /pointed 10 times from the south wall to a few YB 5min later, to make sure you all saw FA’s cats and wiped them – we were on our way to do it for you had you not paid attention.

And if you saw a lone female TC on the walls of outer SM when FA burst through again – once more, that was me reporting on the situation to make sure FA wouldn’t take SM. Were they ever in a position to do so, we would have wiped them for you. We didn’t need to, because YB put up some great defense, and eventually your wall upgrade kicked in.

Also, I’m not saying we’re the sole reason you took and held SM. I’m just saying we ‘wanted’ you to have it, and keep it, and were working to ensure that after you claimed it from us. Why? Because FA is much closer in points value, and we don’t want them getting any more than they already have

Great night, great fights. Well done to all servers. FA, one day the people who sit at SM all the time are going to learn to check that southern wall. One day. I was the engineer who kept running up to solo your catapults (sloooowly) and repair the walls. Good times.

Some strong leadership and good organisation tonight on TC’s part in EB – well done to all involved.

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

So I will take this as an open acknowledgement that there is an alliance between the leaders of TC and Yaks? One server or leaders of a server more specifically helping the other get or keep a point, is that not the definition of metagaming?

kanikani.2430:

Vagrant.1094:

We (those of us leading) didn’t want FA to have SM. When it became clear that the position was untenable, focusing FA to prevent them from taking it while YB moved in from the north allowed you folks to get the cap.

It’s the same reason I /pointed 10 times from the south wall to a few YB 5min later, to make sure you all saw FA’s cats and wiped them – we were on our way to do it for you had you not paid attention.

And if you saw a lone female TC on the walls of outer SM when FA burst through again – once more, that was me reporting on the situation to make sure FA wouldn’t take SM. Were they ever in a position to do so, we would have wiped them for you. We didn’t need to, because YB put up some great defense, and eventually your wall upgrade kicked in.

Also, I’m not saying we’re the sole reason you took and held SM. I’m just saying we ‘wanted’ you to have it, and keep it, and were working to ensure that after you claimed it from us. Why? Because FA is much closer in points value, and we don’t want them getting any more than they already have

Great night, great fights. Well done to all servers. FA, one day the people who sit at SM all the time are going to learn to check that southern wall. One day. I was the engineer who kept running up to solo your catapults (sloooowly) and repair the walls. Good times.

Some strong leadership and good organisation tonight on TC’s part in EB – well done to all involved.

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

So I will take this as an open acknowledgement that there is an alliance between the leaders of TC and Yaks? One server or leaders of a server more specifically helping the other get or keep a point, is that not the definition of metagaming?

I don’t think it’s any arrangement between “leaders”, though I obviously don’t represent any prominent figure from TC. It was an obvious tactical decision – we had to lose SM, and we obviously rather lose it to YB because FA is closer to us in points. If YB was in 2nd we would’ve done the reverse. I don’t see anything wrong about this. A decision was made that we could not hold, and to prevent FA from getting SM as much as possible. The server then acted as such.

kanikani.2430:

Vagrant.1094:

We (those of us leading) didn’t want FA to have SM. When it became clear that the position was untenable, focusing FA to prevent them from taking it while YB moved in from the north allowed you folks to get the cap.

It’s the same reason I /pointed 10 times from the south wall to a few YB 5min later, to make sure you all saw FA’s cats and wiped them – we were on our way to do it for you had you not paid attention.

And if you saw a lone female TC on the walls of outer SM when FA burst through again – once more, that was me reporting on the situation to make sure FA wouldn’t take SM. Were they ever in a position to do so, we would have wiped them for you. We didn’t need to, because YB put up some great defense, and eventually your wall upgrade kicked in.

Also, I’m not saying we’re the sole reason you took and held SM. I’m just saying we ‘wanted’ you to have it, and keep it, and were working to ensure that after you claimed it from us. Why? Because FA is much closer in points value, and we don’t want them getting any more than they already have

Great night, great fights. Well done to all servers. FA, one day the people who sit at SM all the time are going to learn to check that southern wall. One day. I was the engineer who kept running up to solo your catapults (sloooowly) and repair the walls. Good times.

Some strong leadership and good organisation tonight on TC’s part in EB – well done to all involved.

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

So I will take this as an open acknowledgement that there is an alliance between the leaders of TC and Yaks? One server or leaders of a server more specifically helping the other get or keep a point, is that not the definition of metagaming?

As has already been pointed out, you misunderstand. It’s a strategic move to mitigate you losses by allowing the world that is currently a lesser threat to acquire an objective that is guaranteed to be lost to your world.

Don’t let your emotions get in the way of sound tactical reasoning.

@ykyk I don’t know I thought TC’s motto was ‘keep it classy’ that hardly seems classy. I also though they used to tout how points don’t matter. That certainly seems pretty point obsessed.

Anyways I have seen some pretty questionable things this week, but I don’t think there is much point in discussing it. Small groups or even leaders don’t represent the server. And complaining does not change that they have happened.

I would say for myself, and myself alone, I would not condone that and if my leader, or guild leader did that I would leave. The same goes for spawn camping or any other bad sport thing. In fact I had an argument on telling people not to spawn camp just last night. This is a game for fun for me, if I had to pull these kind of tactics I would just play something else. I will not win at any cost.

Cogbyrn.7283:

As has already been pointed out, you misunderstand. It’s a strategic move to mitigate you losses by allowing the world that is currently a lesser threat to acquire an objective that is guaranteed to be lost to your world.

Don’t let your emotions get in the way of sound tactical reasoning.

^This. This is the way the game is intended to be played (and why there is 3 teams). TC is playing the “right” game strategically by limiting their aggression on the 3rd place team (Yaks), and focussing on 2nd place (FA), while encourageing Yaks to do the same, to cement the eventual TC win. Optimally if they were playing to win, Yaks shouldn’t be complying….but people aren’t always rational….and/or they are playing for 2nd…..and/or…..they want to attack the weaker target(hey its easier!)….or they aren’t really thinking. /shrug.

Points doesnt matter, but if you’re the commander that’s being attacked by both servers, and knows you’re going to lose it anyway. Then, you make sure your next move is smart and is for the good of the server. Did you want us to give you stonemist in a silver platter? Would that be “classy” thing to do? Or were you just mad tc chose yb? Of course the ideal thing would be to defend it against both sides, but im not a commander and its not my call, so ill simply trust their judgment that we cant fight both yak and fa at the same time…

If FA was in the same position regarding SM, you would have done the same thing. You would have preferred the team with the fewest amount of points (YB) to get the castle because they would have presented less of a threat to you than TC would have. Also, the TC leaders at the time may have thought it would be easier to get SM back from YB later on rather than having to fight FA for it.

This is strategy.

TC Borderlands last night was blast. ULTD had a good time, thanks for the fights fellas.

I’m a bit late to the fire and flame party, but let’s just ignore those doing so and keep on topic:

Our fights, how awesome we all are, how all 3 servers are going to meet up AGAIN next matchup, and of course a score update for those of us on shift and needy?

:D

kanikani.2430:

@ykyk I don’t know I thought TC’s motto was ‘keep it classy’ that hardly seems classy. I also though they used to tout how points don’t matter. That certainly seems pretty point obsessed.

Anyways I have seen some pretty questionable things this week, but I don’t think there is much point in discussing it. Small groups or even leaders don’t represent the server. And complaining does not change that they have happened.

I would say for myself, and myself alone, I would not condone that and if my leader, or guild leader did that I would leave. The same goes for spawn camping or any other bad sport thing. In fact I had an argument on telling people not to spawn camp just last night. This is a game for fun for me, if I had to pull these kind of tactics I would just play something else. I will not win at any cost.

So, um, how’s that view up there on your high, high horse? Your argument is invalid. We didn’t get where we are by not caring about points at all. It’s called being strategic. All this 2v1 stuff is just part of your imagination~

And that ‘keep it classy’ thing is something we say to troll people who aren’t being classy… ^^

The FA people I play with, would never, NEVER, help another server by killing enemy siege attacking their keep/tower/whatever, nor would we help protect it while it upgraded. Are you all honestly justifying this idea? Did you even read what the person said?

This sounds like the same rationality for camping the jump puzzle or spawn camping or hacking or glitching, and so on and so forth. And you claimed to be the one server that was above all of that. I remember when we were playing Blackgate you suggested it was all about the fun battles and and enjoy the defense, etc. This today sounds like metagaming and winning at any cost, not even close to the same TC we played before.

Now as far as the personal attacks, I was not there, I do not care, SMC has flipped more times to count so who cares, and that’s not the point. No one should have things handed by them on a silver platter by an enemy. And no that is not how the game was intended.

There are a lot of negative things I could say about FA at this point, but this kind of actions are not one of them thank goodness. You know what we would have done in that situation? We would have bunkered down built a lot of siege and stood our ground like the bad kitten we are, and if we lost it, we would have lost it in a good fight. Not pull some hypocritical, backhanded metagaming bs.

I agree there is a thing called strategy, but there also is a thing called honor, and why should we be sacrificing that for a game?

And since we are putting this out there like this I would also like to point out I have seen this more then 10 times so far this match, this kind of ‘tactic’.

Also, I have seen some great players from both Yak’s and TC, just as when we played before. And I will continue to play, just because of them, thankfully they are the majority.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

I swear the intellegence of most of FA is going down right now.

I’ve been noticing this trend as well at NA primetime on FA. In my opinion I think this is mainly because a few of the quality WvW guilds on FA have been MIA in the past few weeks and FA is starting to have the tendency to zerg things. Smaller organized groups working together will always be more effective than a massive zerg with 1 guy trying to coordinate it.

The mindless take this and move on tactic doesn’t work in higher tiers due to the fact that you have to actually defend stuff. If you’re doing things in a 50 man zerg that can be accomplished by 20 people, you are effectively stealing a 30 players from doing other things in the zone, and coupled with the fact that there is a player cap you are effectively making the server worse.

If you are a WvW player on FA without a guild please ask around and find a coordinated WvW guild that you’ll fit in well with, we have a bunch of great ones. In my opinion, a bunch of coordinated medium sized WvW guilds cooperating together is more healthy for the server than 1 massive zerg guild and a few smaller WvW guild constantly trying to jump zones every night to avoid said zerg.

Anything covered on the map to the left is Green. We just lost SMC and dropped something else. Going from 170 to 130.

Chris.5024:

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

I swear the intellegence of most of FA is going down right now.

I’ve been noticing this trend as well at NA primetime on FA. In my opinion I think this is mainly because a few of the quality WvW guilds on FA have been MIA in the past few weeks and FA is starting to have the tendency to zerg things. Smaller organized groups working together will always be more effective than a massive zerg with 1 guy trying to coordinate it.

The mindless take this and move on tactic doesn’t work in higher tiers due to the fact that you have to actually defend stuff. If you’re doing things in a 50 man zerg that can be accomplished by 20 people, you are effectively stealing a 30 players from doing other things in the zone, and coupled with the fact that there is a player cap you are effectively making the server worse.

If you are a WvW player on FA without a guild please ask around and find a coordinated WvW guild that you’ll fit in well with, we have a bunch of great ones. In my opinion, a bunch of coordinated medium sized WvW guilds cooperating together is more healthy for the server than 1 massive zerg guild and a few smaller WvW guild constantly trying to jump zones every night to avoid said zerg.

As always, Malose, I agree 100%. Keep the groups tight, moderately sized, and coordinated. ULTD runs with 25-35 people 15 in the Siege Squad, 5 in a Kill group/AoE Group, and a 5 man Recon Squad. We do work when we hit a BL.

If other groups began to maintain a similar level of play we would have nights like we did last night in TC BL. Coordinated attacks, stacked defenses WHEN NEEDED, and Commanders (Namely Myself, Bludgeon, Irsyko, and Beetle from last nights efforts) asking/directing each other for/towards assistance.

Corrdinated play will always outdo zergs. Numbers mean nothing when the snake has no head.

natejosiah.3178:

Anything covered on the map to the left is Green. We just lost SMC and dropped something else. Going from 170 to 130.

Looks like we have work to do this evening.

kanikani.2430:

The FA people I play with, would never, NEVER, help another server by killing enemy siege attacking their keep/tower/whatever, nor would we help protect it while it upgraded. Are you all honestly justifying this idea? Did you even read what the person said?

This sounds like the same rationality for camping the jump puzzle or spawn camping or hacking or glitching, and so on and so forth. And you claimed to be the one server that was above all of that. I remember when we were playing Blackgate you suggested it was all about the fun battles and and enjoy the defense, etc. This today sounds like metagaming and winning at any cost, not even close to the same TC we played before.

Now as far as the personal attacks, I was not there, I do not care, SMC has flipped more times to count so who cares, and that’s not the point. No one should have things handed by them on a silver platter by an enemy. And no that is not how the game was intended.

There are a lot of negative things I could say about FA at this point, but this kind of actions are not one of them thank goodness. You know what we would have done in that situation? We would have bunkered down built a lot of siege and stood our ground like the bad kitten we are, and if we lost it, we would have lost it in a good fight. Not pull some hypocritical, backhanded metagaming bs.

I agree there is a thing called strategy, but there also is a thing called honor, and why should we be sacrificing that for a game?

And since we are putting this out there like this I would also like to point out I have seen this more then 10 times so far this match, this kind of ‘tactic’.

Also, I have seen some great players from both Yak’s and TC, just as when we played before. And I will continue to play, just because of them, thankfully they are the majority.

You’re kidding yourself if you think your commanders have never said “Well, we’re going to lose this tower/keep anyway, let’s make sure it falls to the weaker team.” It’s strategy, and a smart one at that.

kanikani.2430:

The FA people I play with, would never, NEVER, help another server by killing enemy siege attacking their keep/tower/whatever, nor would we help protect it while it upgraded. Are you all honestly justifying this idea? Did you even read what the person said?

This sounds like the same rationality for camping the jump puzzle or spawn camping or hacking or glitching, and so on and so forth. And you claimed to be the one server that was above all of that. I remember when we were playing Blackgate you suggested it was all about the fun battles and and enjoy the defense, etc. This today sounds like metagaming and winning at any cost, not even close to the same TC we played before.

Now as far as the personal attacks, I was not there, I do not care, SMC has flipped more times to count so who cares, and that’s not the point. No one should have things handed by them on a silver platter by an enemy. And no that is not how the game was intended.

There are a lot of negative things I could say about FA at this point, but this kind of actions are not one of them thank goodness. You know what we would have done in that situation? We would have bunkered down built a lot of siege and stood our ground like the bad kitten we are, and if we lost it, we would have lost it in a good fight. Not pull some hypocritical, backhanded metagaming bs.

I agree there is a thing called strategy, but there also is a thing called honor, and why should we be sacrificing that for a game?

And since we are putting this out there like this I would also like to point out I have seen this more then 10 times so far this match, this kind of ‘tactic’.

Also, I have seen some great players from both Yak’s and TC, just as when we played before. And I will continue to play, just because of them, thankfully they are the majority.

I have NO idea what is wrong with you. I hope some of your FA comrades can attempt to convince you how obvious a move it was on our part – I completely fail to see the problem you have with it. WvWvW is where 3 servers square off in tactics and strategy (and zergs obviously) – we saw a course of action that is tactically sound and went for it. I don’t see anyone else bleating about this honor crap. If you like to go down in a blaze of glory suit yourself, but don’t force your warped ideals on people with an actual sense of the flow of battle and are playing the strategic game.

I guess we’re sorry for winning? I don’t really know what to say here.

Furienify.5738:

Absolutely unreal fight.

I was right above you when you took that screenshot. I don’t know how many people down below I put conditions on, but I ran around up above for about 10 minutes trying to kill everything I could see. I’ve never seen anything like it in this game so far. At one point I realized that I had to get down into the circle and from there I started to sweep around and find anything still alive. There was a long few minutes I thought we would wipe and YB would take the keep after all the hard work.

YB – nice job on joining the fray. You folks kicked serious kittens and almost destroyed our raid. That was the best fight for me in this game.

Finally, if you see a Black-haired Norn Necro in tier 1 cultural gear (trans), that’s usually me. There aren’t many of us Norn Necros to begin with. I’m usually the one charging headlong into destruction. :P

P.S. I also took down the keep lord. Had some help, even from YB people (not on purpose either – they were trying to kill me). He downed me once and I luckily rallied. I daresay if I hadn’t rallied on that I would have missed about half the fun.

Alright – what Nyari was saying wasn’t implying a treaty between YB and TC. It is simply this: We are on top, we would like to stay that way and give ourselves a bit of room between the next server. That being said TC > FA > YB. So naturally, SM went to YB. There wasn’t any communication with the opposite server. Done and Done. Also, I know people think it’s 2v1 a lot of the time – and Yes, that sometimes is the case. Most Commanders think “Hmm okay, they are pre-occupied in the other server’s 1/3, might as well hit from the other side!” It’s not always about ganging up on the other server, it’s about taking advantage of the time we have to conquer. However, that doesn’t mean that if TC sees YB in FA’s land that we won’t attack them because more often than not we see red, not server names. It’s not always right, and I don’t like to do so when I command, but hey it’s all good and fun. In the end, the 3 of our servers are seperated by a thin line at this point. As far as the comments regarding the intelligence levels of FA – I don’t believe you guys are dunb, I feel like you guys just have newer players this week. TC has the same, and I’m sure Yaks in the same position. At the end of the day, we are all having fun in this match-up. There have been some crazy fights in Golanta that I dubbed “The Battle Of The Swamp” with FA and YB seems to always hit Rogues at the right time. Well guys, keep it up. Enjoy your Thanksgiving if in the USA, and have fun with the fight!

Regarding FA not defending, my experience has been that few people want to pay for the upgrades and/or siege equipment. I noticed last weekend that most of the camps & towers we held were basic, and full of supply (so they hadn’t just been taken).

It seems like the average FA player is a miser.

kanikani.2430:

The FA people I play with, would never, NEVER, help another server by killing enemy siege attacking their keep/tower/whatever, nor would we help protect it while it upgraded. Are you all honestly justifying this idea? Did you even read what the person said?

This sounds like the same rationality for camping the jump puzzle or spawn camping or hacking or glitching, and so on and so forth. And you claimed to be the one server that was above all of that. I remember when we were playing Blackgate you suggested it was all about the fun battles and and enjoy the defense, etc. This today sounds like metagaming and winning at any cost, not even close to the same TC we played before.

Now as far as the personal attacks, I was not there, I do not care, SMC has flipped more times to count so who cares, and that’s not the point. No one should have things handed by them on a silver platter by an enemy. And no that is not how the game was intended.

There are a lot of negative things I could say about FA at this point, but this kind of actions are not one of them thank goodness. You know what we would have done in that situation? We would have bunkered down built a lot of siege and stood our ground like the bad kitten we are, and if we lost it, we would have lost it in a good fight. Not pull some hypocritical, backhanded metagaming bs.

I agree there is a thing called strategy, but there also is a thing called honor, and why should we be sacrificing that for a game?

And since we are putting this out there like this I would also like to point out I have seen this more then 10 times so far this match, this kind of ‘tactic’.

Also, I have seen some great players from both Yak’s and TC, just as when we played before. And I will continue to play, just because of them, thankfully they are the majority.

It’s a game lol. Who cares about honour? I don’t know why people are getting so emotional over a wuvwuv match.