Guild Wars 2

kerex.8150:

Hi,

my previous thread has been erased because of the “non petition rule” stuff.

So i’ll say it clear and simple : please A-Net, block NA->EU and EU->NA guild transfers.

THIS is not what you promised us before releasing the game.

GW2 was supposed to have 2 separate timezones and ladders but it’s nonsense if we have massive migrations of US guilds to EU servers or EU to NA, and for country-tagged servers [SP] [DE] [FR] this is going to be their death as competitive servers.

Please, clarify and tell us what you have in mind about that.

You do realize that there are 2 data centers. One for EU and the other one covers the rest of the world. Meaning NA, Brazil, Australia, even parts of Asia if I’m not mistaken. So not sure if you know or not but all of those have very different time zones. It’s the servers obligation to set up and recruit people to the server in your off hours. WvW is supposed to be dynamic (always changing) if you just have it set so only people from one time zone gets on that would get very boring after awhile. Most people don’t like more of a challenge but I know I sure do.

And I still don’t understand what you meant by what Anet promised… they promised not to hold your hand and for it to be dynamic and we knew in beta of these 2 data centers and how the “regions / timezones of the world” were going to be paired.

yeah, one guild make a mess of EU ladder, destroying it on purpose, and it’s everybody else who needs to adapt.

that’s some good logic

is that not the purpose of dynamic. to adapt?

Either way, once Anet finishes Guesting hopefully in the next 3 weeks free server transfers will be stopped so it won’t be something you will have to worry about any more.

to adapt for what ? to have the same mess as NA ladder where fights are less important than recruiting in other countries ?

when there is an easy technical solution , blocking transfers between timezones?

yeah , a lot of people will adapt …. changing game.

Asklepious.6014:

is that not the purpose of dynamic. to adapt?

Either way, once Anet finishes Guesting hopefully in the next 3 weeks free server transfers will be stopped so it won’t be something you will have to worry about any more.

Oh i worry about transfer costing money while Desolation still has this huge American population. That would mean no more competition for the EU rank 1. I guess you didn’t think about that.

When at release some guild came to US from EU (or to EU from US) it was all good. But now, when 7 day matches started and free transfers was available its not OK. Only thing i would complain about would be that anet left free transfers with 1 day cooldown for too long. People need to adapt now (if you want to be in top 1-3 of the ladder than you need as close coverage to 24/7)

Did you read my entire post jaxom… it’s already from multiple countries with very differnt time zones. Especially in NA more so than EU. NA has Australian players. Also 3ish more weeks and it will be over I don’t understand what the big deal is because in a way it’s already being dealt with. No more free server transfers soon.

Asklepious.6014:

You do realize that there are 2 data centers. One for EU and the other one covers the rest of the world. Meaning NA, Brazil, Australia, even parts of Asia if I’m not mistaken. So not sure if you know or not but all of those have very different time zones. It’s the servers obligation to set up and recruit people to the server in your off hours. WvW is supposed to be dynamic (always changing) if you just have it set so only people from one time zone gets on that would get very boring after awhile. Most people don’t like more of a challenge but I know I sure do.

And I still don’t understand what you meant by what Anet promised… they promised not to hold your hand and for it to be dynamic and we knew in beta of these 2 data centers and how the “regions / timezones of the world” were going to be paired.

All servers are actually in a the same datacenter in Texas, including the EU ones.
You can type /ip in game to see the actual IP of your server.

That’s why I think a solution of having two ladders (International worldwide ladder / EU local ladder) is realistic and doable : it’s just about reorganizing things and won’t frustrate anyone.

Asklepious.6014:

Did you read my entire post jaxom… it’s already from multiple countries with very differnt time zones. Especially in NA more so than EU. .

No , only in NA.

90% of EU players were on quite the same timezone. nightcapping in the biggest nightcapper server was done with 30 persons max outside of holidays, and they were just late sleepers.

Tygra.4570:

Asklepious.6014:

is that not the purpose of dynamic. to adapt?

Either way, once Anet finishes Guesting hopefully in the next 3 weeks free server transfers will be stopped so it won’t be something you will have to worry about any more.

Oh i worry about transfer costing money while Desolation still has this huge American population. That would mean no more competition for the EU rank 1. I guess you didn’t think about that.

Well curious though wasnt that all because of one guild? And I do feel bad for you guys. My guild even had people for EU trying to recruit us on our websites forums to the EU servers. I know it’s not a good nor easy thing to deal with. My point was that it is already being worked on and trying to be prevented from happening again in the future with the free server transfers stopping. And do you really think that guild is going to have fun in World Vs Keep Doors? I mean thats got to get old after awhile. I really don’t see it lasting

Last thing I’m going to say in the matter is that you can’t fix what’s already happened. So try to find solutions instead of trying to focus on changing the past.

Gwal.2813:

All servers are actually in a the same datacenter in Texas, including the EU ones.
You can type /ip in game to see the actual IP of your server.

That’s why I think a solution of having two ladders (International worldwide ladder / EU local ladder) is realistic and doable : it’s just about reorganizing things and won’t frustrate anyone.

“There will be 3 major regional designations for the release of Guild Wars 2:

Europe: Defined as Western Europe and Eastern Europe. Players in these regions connect to the European datacenter.

North America: Defined as Canada, Mexico, and the United States. Players in these regions connect to the North American datacenter.

Other: All countries not already listed above will connect to the North American datacenter"

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

NA has had people playing at night since the beginning. I don’t call them night cappers because Whose night is it? My night is not the Australians night. Our servers are going 24/7 stuff is always getting taken but it’s been that way since the beginning.

Maybe if all the [fr] [de] [sp] inc to usa ladder and broken them, whit full capping the map on the night, like the US atm in EU ladder atm…. anet make a reaction…

Unfortunatly i have been surprised about peoples mentality in this game. Its all about being the winner here. I have been amased about what players are willing to do to brag about winning, and also the other way around, how quicly players also give up when it goes bad for them. In other words people flee the loosing servers and mass on the winning servers. It doesnt matter if your knocking down doors, because your a “winner”…

Asklepious.6014:

Gwal.2813:

All servers are actually in a the same datacenter in Texas, including the EU ones.
You can type /ip in game to see the actual IP of your server.

That’s why I think a solution of having two ladders (International worldwide ladder / EU local ladder) is realistic and doable : it’s just about reorganizing things and won’t frustrate anyone.

“There will be 3 major regional designations for the release of Guild Wars 2:

Europe: Defined as Western Europe and Eastern Europe. Players in these regions connect to the European datacenter.

North America: Defined as Canada, Mexico, and the United States. Players in these regions connect to the North American datacenter.

Other: All countries not already listed above will connect to the North American datacenter"

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

I know what they said about the servers. But that’s not the case. I tried it on Vizunah (FR) and it was a IP localized in Texas.

Tomasen.6013:

Unfortunatly i have been surprised about peoples mentality in this game. Its all about being the winner here. I have been amased about what players are willing to do to brag about winning, and also the other way around, how quicly players also give up when it goes bad for them. In other words people flee the loosing servers and mass on the winning servers. It doesnt matter if your knocking down doors, because your a “winner”…

In the 4 FR servers, win or lose, everybody fights until the end. No big guild is jumping on the winning server.

Problem is, it’s not about winning, it’s about having the possibility to win if you play better or are more organised/dedicated …

Wothan.4673:

Maybe if all the [fr] [de] [sp] inc to usa ladder and broken them, whit full capping the map on the night, like the US atc in EU ladder atm…. anet make a reaction…

I’ve thought about it too.
Pretty sure that if the main alliances on VS and AS moved to 2 low/mid tier servers on US ladder, they would crush it in no time and make it to top tier easy

The only problem here is Ruin, playing PvWood on Eu server, with absolutely no one to fight back since EU sleep when they play.
Then those guys talk about challenge and crap. This is so silly.

The only good solution here i guess is merging EU and US ladder, since US sux anyway.

Gwal.2813:

I know what they said about the servers. But that’s not the case. I tried it on Vizunah (FR) and it was a IP localized in Texas.

There can be 2 different datacenters located in the exact same location doesn’t mean they are the same.

It’s funny how now people for localized servers have to adapt, what if nobody wants to join them ? And the guy speaking about making friend, what a nice bullkitten, why would I need to make friend with South Korean who lived thousands of miles away just for being competitive in a PvP game ?
Everyone on German and French server is complaining about Americans coming to Europe so stop saying that is a issue affecting only a minority of people.

Asklepious.6014:

Tygra.4570:

Asklepious.6014:

is that not the purpose of dynamic. to adapt?

Either way, once Anet finishes Guesting hopefully in the next 3 weeks free server transfers will be stopped so it won’t be something you will have to worry about any more.

Oh i worry about transfer costing money while Desolation still has this huge American population. That would mean no more competition for the EU rank 1. I guess you didn’t think about that.

Well curious though wasnt that all because of one guild? And I do feel bad for you guys. My guild even had people for EU trying to recruit us on our websites forums to the EU servers. I know it’s not a good nor easy thing to deal with. My point was that it is already being worked on and trying to be prevented from happening again in the future with the free server transfers stopping. And do you really think that guild is going to have fun in World Vs Keep Doors? I mean thats got to get old after awhile. I really don’t see it lasting

Last thing I’m going to say in the matter is that you can’t fix what’s already happened. So try to find solutions instead of trying to focus on changing the past.

The problem is that tagged language server won’t be able to find another solution than waking up early and going to bed late. We on Vizunah did this last week to win against Desolation. It worked. We had 1 week holidays in france. It won’t work anymore.
The EU ranking has been ruined by one (huge) guild going to EU. EU had nightcapping, it was done by EU players, the rankings were stabilizing as Arborstone and Elona went up. Right now the competition for number 1 Euro is just non-existent, and it will lead to a massive depopulation. You still see FR and DE servers high ranked because our ladder has been ruined 4 weeks ago exactly. Desolation went up 4 tiers. I’m not saying Desolation doesn’t play well. This is not the problem.
Aside from Blacktide that is coming strong, Desolation will have no challenge whatsoever over the next months. And T2 will not be a winning game, but a loosing one. Because if you win T2, you waste a week (or more) in T1.

WvW needs to be competitive, and as of right now it isn’t. I’m for the idea of merging : International rankings and no more tagged servers. Being American, i’m sure you are well aware of the unattractivity our tagged servers have when it comes to recruiting guilds overseas

Agreeing with the OP: there is a problem here. And multiple ways to fix it. Please Anet, do it fast.

I’m not worried for the tagged servers specifically. What is going to happen is two or three servers will dominate EU brackets only because they have a US population complementing their primetime presence. Deso already has its place, Blacktide is the runner up.

No challenge. No interesting competition. No shot at 1st place.
For everybody else. Including FR, ES, and DE servers, but also the other english speaking servers, even if they’d like to turn themselves into a US server.

Or just delete the [FR] [DE] [SP] tag…

I doubt cross-atlantic server transfers are as wide-spread as people make them out to be but even a single dedicated overseas guild can make a huge difference in a servers night performance.

I only see one problem : prime of “EU-americans” being more rewarding than prime of europeans on EU servers.
Ruins came cause they thought there was french canadians or whatever players from an other timezone but there isn’t. Did you see any CaSu in WvW ? They are supposed to be 500 so we could assume we should see as much CaSu’s tag as ruins’s tag. Do you see this ? It’s just a troll. There was a night coverage on Elona a few weeks ago due to hollidays, there was a night coverage last week on Fr due to the same reason.

EU server is being messed up just when the top 5 was about to equilibrate.

That’s why there should be only one worldwide ladder without tags, or 2 separate ladders without migrations allowed. Otherwise, Fr, De and Sp will have to quit their server and let them die at the bottom of the ladder

I’m getting tired of repeating myself here:
Blacktide has no American guilds, we simply have Russians playing in their morning. We would like some Americans though, simply to fill up the few hours gap we do have.

PvE servers are apparently located in Frankfurt, Germany, for the EU servers, while WvW servers are located in Austin, Texas.

Desolation worked hard to be where they are now, they’re not jsut there because of RUIN and it would be nice if people respected that.

ANet made a mistake in separating regions and having localised servers. If people want to play with people speaking thier own language, it’s not that hard to find communities and join them. They shouldn’t ahve put in a 24/7 war mechanic and then split up timezones.
While the solution isn’t as easy as many people suggest (“merge the ladders”), there aren’t nearly as many people complaining about it as is implied here. I’m seeing tons of threads which focus on good fights, praising each other, etc etc.

One of the few places where that isn’t happening is EU Tier1, and I’m getting the impression RUIN is just a convenient excuse to attack the new kids on the block…

I personnaly would have prefer to fight the new Deso, without RUINS. We would have seen how the europeans of this EU server have evolved.

I think people complains about what is going to happen, how cheap victory will be : you won’t win over De, Fr or Sp servers cause of your own actions, because of a good strategy on the battlefield. You will win because full overseas rosters will be playing when you and most of your Fr, De or Sp ennemies will sleep. Because it’s what it’s going to happen : ppl tend to make what is needed to make victory easier.

Does anybody played on Darkfall Online ? Ppl maxed their attributes by hitting afk guild mates inside keeps for weeks, because it was the easier way to be efficiant.

Sorry to say that Genev, but you’re wrong about Desolation and you should stop minimize the RUIN guilds impact (yes, there are several RUINx guild) on the EU Ladder.

I agree with op, but i think there’s only 1 solution left : merge timezones and ladders and wipe country-tags.
We are at a no-turning-back point. A-Net can’t ask RUINs and other “NA->EU switchers” to come back to their former timezone. If A-Net blocks EU<->NA transfers, those guilds could stay here and mess up the ladder… forever.

Arani.9057:

With no commentary on the NA/EU server xfer complaints, but locking it down that you can’t xfer at all would alienate travelers, like military personnel etc. It might not be a major portion of the population but a military person stationed in say Germany might still want to play with their NA friends and visa versa.

just as an example.

Not a problem at all : your account is linked to a timezone, wherever you play from.

jaxom.7469:

Tomasen.6013:

Unfortunatly i have been surprised about peoples mentality in this game. Its all about being the winner here. I have been amased about what players are willing to do to brag about winning, and also the other way around, how quicly players also give up when it goes bad for them. In other words people flee the loosing servers and mass on the winning servers. It doesnt matter if your knocking down doors, because your a “winner”…

In the 4 FR servers, win or lose, everybody fights until the end. No big guild is jumping on the winning server.

Problem is, it’s not about winning, it’s about having the possibility to win if you play better or are more organised/dedicated …

That’s it !
If A.net merge this two different ladders (US and EU). Please delete the localised tag FR DE SP !
Or no block any IP but deleting all peronnage if anybody want change his time-zone (EU > US or US > EU).

Kada Feed.1782:

I personnaly would have prefer to fight the new Deso, without RUINS. We would have seen how the europeans of this EU server have evolved.

I think people complains about what is going to happen, how cheap victory will be : you won’t win over De, Fr or Sp servers cause of your own actions, because of a good strategy on the battlefield. You will win because somebody will be playing when you and most of your Fr, De or Sp ennemies will sleep. Because it’s what it’s going to happen : ppl tend to make what is needed to make victory easier.

Except that is exactly the same reason why Vizunah has been winning so far. And I’ve no doubt you’d have preferred fighting Deso without Ruin, it would have resulted in several other weeks of 695-0-0 nightcappings by Vizunah.

I’m completely mystified how people here declare “nightcapping is good, except if made by NA people on EU servers, then it’s bad and Arenanet should forbid it”. Might as well be saying “hey Arenanet can you please make my server start every week with a 200k advantage so we always win no matter what” because that’s essentially what is being asked here. And make us all a favor and don’t mention the ONE WEEK OF GERMAN HOLIDAYS which allowed Elona to win. Because using that week as an excuse and declaring the system works because of it it’s just the same as asking for that 200k permanent advantage: “oh yeah the system works, you see? we can be beaten one week every year so everything is ok”.

And spare me the “you can get organized and have your own EU-based night crew too” bull.
Fact is: unless by some miraculous luck two servers manage to get two EXACTLY IDENTICAL long term night crews, there will always be one who has more people at night (or early morning or afternoon or whatever). That server is always going to autowin forever, until another server comes and gets a bigger night crew. Then it will be the “new” server to autowin forever until another one comes etc. This crappy cycle of foregone matchups whose conclusion everyone can foresee at monday morning will only end the moment you have two (or more) servers with real, full 24/7 coverage. Those who claim that the EU bracket was “fine” before Ruin came are the one who were WINNING i.e. the servers with the biggest initial night crews. Of course “everything was fine” for you. Let me tell you, being on the other side of the 695-0-0 everything was MOST DEFINITELY NOT FINE. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Right now, the only decent way out of this mess I can see is for Arenanet to create a few “WvW global servers” (much less than the amount of servers currently going on, probably something like 6-9 of them in total) and make guilds “represent” one of these “WvW global servers” much like what happens with single characters representing guilds. Then, when you zone into WvW, you get automatically teleported to the zones which belong to your “WvW global server”, and when you get out, you re-zone into your normal “PvE server” which is the same as the servers of today.

This way people can keep their national language-based servers for PvE activities while also getting automatically organized into global 24/7 servers for WvW purposes. And since the engine is already heavily instanced and can (supposedly) allow for guesting and inter-server hopping, it shouldn’t be impossible to modify the system so that you belong to a “PvE server” when outside of WvW zones and to a “global WvW server” whenever engaged in WvW.

Fact is: unless by some miraculous luck two servers manage to get two EXACTLY IDENTICAL long term night crews, there will always be one who has more people at night (or early morning or afternoon or whatever). That server is always going to autowin forever, until another server comes and gets a bigger night crew.

Tip : recruit people playing during nighttime from your timezone.
You’re justifying NA prime-timers-nightcapping-inEU (lol) by using the example of VS night-players-nightcapping-inEU ? This is a nonsense.

It seems there was no problems a few weeks ago but now that you are losing there is an issue. That’s called poor sportsmanship.

man, a Ru(i)n talking about sportmanship after mass migration on a EU server to dominate 50 players with his 500 peps zerg at 4am, I love this kind of humor.

Anet is messing the EU ladder and so what ? it should be new if a US dev think about their EU customers, no ? and they prove it everyday by their silence toward this subject.

The best idea was surely to don’t allow transfer from NA→ EU and vice versa, still you can create your caracter on any ladder you want at 1st and don’t move it from it anymore.

Genev.2450:

Desolation worked hard to be where they are now, they’re not jsut there because of RUIN and it would be nice if people respected that.

False, Desolation is always the worst server in top EU ladder. FS ( Nugos and Green Fire ) was the best but lose against our 30 peoples nightcapping when there was in top ladder.

If you really have no US guild on BT you will come to complain with us next week. GMT+4 is the worst GMT against GMT -5/-6, you can not imagine what we have to do to win last week.

I do agree with the OP. Players should be able to choose a time-zone when they create their first character and should pay a fee to change to the other one, if they want so.

What’s the use of 2 ladders for WvW people if EU&US guilds can freely switch their timezone, hoping to be the best somewhere else?

Lol this thread is all french posters complaining because they are losing , where was the whine when u were “nightcapping” every other server, you were’nt so stop crying now. I’m getting bored of seeing RUIN “ruined” eu ladder, ow many times can you use that pun. Desolation hold their own in daytime, we lead tick points most of the day in this new matchup.

GrandMechantLoup.8201:

Genev.2450:

Desolation worked hard to be where they are now, they’re not jsut there because of RUIN and it would be nice if people respected that.

False, Desolation is always the worst server in top EU ladder. FS ( Nugos and Green Fire ) was the best but lose against our 30 peoples nightcapping when there was in top ladder.

We don’t have to speculate on who is strong/weak right now and why when we have WvW statistics:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15

Except of visible RUIN’s “Cap” :-) it was almost a draw between Arborstone and Deso after reset with Vizunah running out of gas after last week’s marathon. More to the point, either I need a pair of glasses of Deso’s graph doesn’t translate to “worst server in top EU ladder” in its EU prime time part.

One would argue that Deso’s NA players drain some of Arbor’s overall WvW resources but I can’t say how bad it really is.

MagnusLL.8473:

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Get your facts straight man. I do not mean to be mean but what you are saying is nonsense.
-Vizunah won thanks to nightcapping : Everyone agrees.
-Vizunah won against Deso and FSP for a long time because they have no night crew : Everyone agrees.

What you got wrong is that Vizunah used EU players to win on EU servers. I get it that you were tired of losing, it’s normal. You improved drastically your daytime and your ennemies thank you for that.

What you got wrong is that you thought Deso was a T1 server : Deso was here thanks to the 24 hrs matchups, and could in absolutely no way compete with Elona or Arborstone. Those servers just needed some weeks to climb the ladder because they started to play with the 1 week matchups.

What you got wrong is thinking that the EU ladder wasn’t stabilized because Desolation wasn’t in T1.

Elona has beaten us at night, and can do it without holidays. Arborstone has beaten us at night. Blacktide as of right now will probably crush Vizu even with “less” night power : their EU daytime looks extremely powerful (kudos to gf/nug, wish we fight again soon).

You had your way to put Desolation back on T1, but you are the only people on the whole EU servers happy by “the way you did it”.
Any nonsense about the NA ladder is useless too. Yes their T1 is 24/7. And their T2 is 300 rating behind the T1, which means no T1 serv will ever go down and no T2 server can join T1.
Do you want this for the EU ladder ? Probably, because you’d be number 1 forever.
Do EU people want this for their ladder ? Not a chance.

FR and DE have always been among the most competitive players in the online gaming history. In a month our EU ladder will be as messed up as the NA one.

The way the ladder is right now isn’t competition. Without competition, lower tier servers will depopulate, and higher tier servers will be tired of PvDoor.

WvW is such a huge feature on GW2, we player have to help ANet with our suggestions, because it would be a shame if you remove any competitive side of it.

@Zaowii/Yaro : your daytime is so much better than last month, there’s no denying it.
However, the amount of income you have since 2 days is the result of last week lack of sleep for french players and a bit of resignation. Do not expect such a result all week long

GrandMechantLoup.8201:

Genev.2450:

Desolation worked hard to be where they are now, they’re not jsut there because of RUIN and it would be nice if people respected that.

False, Desolation is always the worst server in top EU ladder. FS ( Nugos and Green Fire ) was the best but lose against our 30 peoples nightcapping when there was in top ladder.

If you really have no US guild on BT you will come to complain with us next week. GMT+4 is the worst GMT against GMT -5/-6, you can not imagine what we have to do to win last week.

We played against Desolation.
We nearly beat them, they ended up winning because they rallied their daytime to stop us from taking over after they’d gotten a lead in weekend when the new Blacktide EU primetime guilds were transfering still/getting settled.

It was a good match

I’m not surprised so some EU collaborators will defend their American allies.
For me its just another American invasion, but this time to European WvW tournament.

Zaowi.7098:

Lol this thread is all french posters complaining because they are losing , where was the whine when u were “nightcapping” every other server, you were’nt so stop crying now. I’m getting bored of seeing RUIN “ruined” eu ladder, ow many times can you use that pun. Desolation hold their own in daytime, we lead tick points most of the day in this new matchup.

Again, you’re wrong.

When this forum was full of hatred against VS “canadian-unemployed-nightcappers”, i tried to propose something to balance scoring and points per tick during nighttime based on servers populations ratio.

I’ve always been aware of the nightcapping problem, don’t you see ?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Suggestion-Alternate-point-per-round-calculation/first#post176915

+1 i agree

if a term is WvW death

Elona beat AS and VS with a strong nightcapping, nobody cry, all french player say gg to Elona. Because elona make good work on the night with their own ppl.
So i don’t think it’s because we don’t love to lose and we become angry.

Atm 90%+ nightcapping force of Deso is US player.. on EU ladder…

If Deso beat us with their own ppl, we act like when Elona beat us, we say gg. But it’s not the case.

It won’t solve any problem if you cancel transfers from EU <> NA. The issues you have with night capping American guilds on EU T1 or T2 is the same issue any low populated server has with a large populated server. A server like Drakkar Lake can’t send more then 10 people into more then 1 borderland between 00:00 and maybe 11:00 and that’s where opposing servers with maybe 30 people get the points.
If you are on Elona Reach or Arborstone you would stomp a server like Drakkar Lake by your night shift while you are stomped by Desolation or Blacktide with their night shifts.
Your only choice is getting people from other timezones like Desolation and Blacktide do or organize your sleep times like Vizunah does, because the WuvWuv won’t stop at midnight and continue next afternoon.

another idea !

change the chalculation of the points; when you’r in Europe, and you play in this zone, the points will be as useal from 7-8 am till 1-2 am ( each 15 mins) . but from 2->8 am, that will switch to each 2 hrs. ( you want the fun of the fight? you got it, the servers are open 24/7. you want the fun of paint the maps with one color and the pvdoor? here you go. you want to win cause you outnumber the other servers at night to do 4-5k points in few hours…. NO!).

so keep the servers as they’r, just find the time zones (at gmt timinig) to find 6-8 hours where ’s “night” for all these servers, and the claculating of the points will become slow.

and clearly, this is not “the solution” for the night cap, the night cap give better chances for the sever to have a good start at the morning ( supplies … etc), but at least with a system of calculation that work according to the times of the zone ( eu, na .. etc) we can be sure that the higher ranked servers are “good” in pvp, not in pvdoor.

we’r all happy? ofc not !!! think of all who’s trying to win, not by their game play/skill, but by their numbers 24/7 ….

Tygra.4570:

Get your facts straight man. I do not mean to be mean but what you are saying is nonsense.

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What you got wrong is that you thought Deso was a T1 server : Deso was here thanks to the 24 hrs matchups, and could in absolutely no way compete with Elona or Arborstone. Those servers just needed some weeks to climb the ladder because they started to play with the 1 week matchups.

What you got wrong is thinking that the EU ladder wasn’t stabilized because Desolation wasn’t in T1.

This is you not making any sense.
My objection is independent of server names or Desolation’s specific position. EU ladder was never stabilized, all the matches have been complete blowouts, before last week, ALL the EU games have been already decided by tuesday at the latest, maybe wednesday in some rare cases. And this is “stable”? According to whom?
The fact you lost one week to Elona due to german holidays doesn’t make the T1 bracket “stable”. In fact it underlines the instability of the system, where any single holiday not shared by the servers will decide the match like what happened again just last week due to a single Friday holiday.

I don’t know about you, but I like my WvW being decided by skill, not by whomever has more insomniacs. And the fact these insomniacs are from your own country is utterly irrelevant to me. They make you win by PvDooring, so don’t come and cry to me when we do the same to you.
The difference between me and all the whiners here is that I still hope the situation will stabilize in the future with at least 3 servers having full 24/7 coverage and providing good, balanced matchups. All that you want is going back to “yippeee we have more night players then them so we autowin forever, gratz us and our imba Pvdoor skills!!!”

Tygra.4570:

Elona has beaten us at night, and can do it without holidays. Arborstone has beaten us at night. Blacktide as of right now will probably crush Vizu even with “less” night power : their EU daytime looks extremely powerful (kudos to gf/nug, wish we fight again soon).

Utterly and completely false and you are either pretending to not know it or you never set foot in WvW.
During primetime, with full maps everywhere, and assuming a 1vs1vs1 (i.e. not a 2vs1) even with a superiority display of masterclass proportions it’s completely impossible for a server to open a sustainable advantage bigger than, let’s say, a 350-175-170 against the other two servers, the simple mass of players available to all 3 sides will see to that. This translates to a point gain of 700/hour, virtually impossible to sustain for long periods, as opposed to the 2800/hour you can get and keep for several hours with unopposed capping.
This means Blacktide can crush you all they want during primetime, but if they don’t have enough at night (or early morning) to counteract Vizunah’s nightcapping, they are doomed. You know this, we know this, everyone know this, and that’s why you are complaining so loudly: you find yourself now beaten at the one and only way this system currently provides to guarantee victories i.e. 24/7 coverage.

Tygra.4570:

Do you want this for the EU ladder ? Probably, because you’d be number 1 forever.
Do EU people want this for their ladder ? Not a chance.

I am EU, so please don’t speak for myself, thank you very much.

Tygra.4570:

FR and DE have always been among the most competitive players in the online gaming history. In a month our EU ladder will be as messed up as the NA one.

The way the ladder is right now isn’t competition. Without competition, lower tier servers will depopulate, and higher tier servers will be tired of PvDoor.

Right, because Vizunah autowinning with those 695-0-0 was “competition”. Gotta love double standards.
You’re saying exactly what I was claiming you were saying: “Arenanet, FR and DE servers have a god given right to win so please modify the system so we can keep winning forever, thank you”.

Tygra.4570:

WvW is such a huge feature on GW2, we player have to help ANet with our suggestions, because it would be a shame if you remove any competitive side of it.

I just did, it was the part of my post you conveniently chose to ignore. I understand that since that suggestion involved actually competitive WvW instead of FR/DE autowins it’s not what you’re looking for but hey, I’m neither FR nor DE so you will excuse me if I don’t agree with you on that part.

Genev.2450:

We played against Desolation.
We nearly beat them, they ended up winning because …

You nearly beat them ? You loose by more than 110k :
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/12/4

And i’m not sure Ruin has moved at the beginning of this match.

The first complete match with Ruin on Desolation was this one :
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15/5
It was just a one-way fight since Kodash and FS decided to stop WvW…

Right, because Vizunah autowinning with those 695-0-0 was “competition”. Gotta love double standards.This means Blacktide can crush you all they want during primetime, but if they don’t have enough at night (or early morning) to counteract Vizunah’s nightcapping, they are doomed. You know this, we know this, everyone know this, and that’s why you are complaining so loudly: you find yourself now beaten at the one and only way this system currently provides to guarantee victories i.e. 24/7 coverage.

Yes, Er and As beat VS like this, this is not the problem, we don’t care if eu ppl beat us.. but we care when we are beat by a nightcapping make by 90+% of US player in a EU ladder….

I’m glad to have a chat with you, as you bring your ideas with respect. Now :

MagnusLL.8473:

EU ladder was never stabilized, all the matches have been complete blowouts, before last week, ALL the EU games have been already decided by tuesday at the latest, maybe wednesday in some rare cases.

I don’t know about you, but I like my WvW being decided by skill, not by whomever has more insomniacs. And the fact these insomniacs are from your own country is utterly irrelevant to me. They make you win by PvDooring, so don’t come and cry to me when we do the same to you.

T1 servers were stabilized. I was in those battles, you were still in T3. We had a T1 with AS ER and VS. All 3 servers won once in the last 3 weeks. Ain’t it good enough ?

The fact that you like your game decided by “skill” and not PvD is honorable. I like my game the same exact way. So you answered a 40 people nightshift with a full 5 guilds alliance called ruin. Now you win by doing PvD. It’s ok, i don’t like it but whatever. This is not what the thread is about. The tread is about keeping EU/US separated or merging them, in order to make sense. There is no sense in “EU ladder” if it isn’t fought by “EU people”.

MagnusLL.8473:

During primetime, with full maps everywhere, and assuming a 1vs1vs1 (i.e. not a 2vs1) even with a superiority display of masterclass proportions it’s completely impossible for a server to open a sustainable advantage bigger than, let’s say, a 350-175-170 against the other two servers, the simple mass of players available to all 3 sides will see to that.

You are extremely minimizing the power of Blacktide. They’ve been reinforced by the Disorder league. They play 2 hours earlier than western Europe and every single person that fought against them will agree : there is no team better than nug/gf on the gw2 WvW.
And now they even organized nightshifts and they dominate ER. They dominate the morning too.

MagnusLL.8473:

I am EU, so please don’t speak for myself, thank you very much.

I shoulda added : except EU Desolation. My bad, hope you are not too offended.

MagnusLL.8473:

Right, because Vizunah autowinning with those 695-0-0 was “competition”.

Vizunah was auto-winning vs old-Deso and FSP. While i think FSP was worth a T2 server, old-Deso was more like a T3.
When some real baddies went up the ladder (ER and AS) there was no more autowin. But you weren’t in T1 to witness it.
There was way more competition this way than with new-Deso. That’s why threads like this are created. Deso destroyed competition, and made a call for more US to join EU. Could be fine if there was only one international ranking and no tagged servers (or any other solution you can think of).

And finally, i understand you feel less concerned by country-tagged problems. It’s no big deal, but i whish you could understand us. We won’t be able to get 24/7 coverage while tagged FR or DE.
We won’t be able to be competitive anymore. And it basically means the end of WvW on tagged servers.

Tygra.4570:

And finally, i understand you feel less concerned by country-tagged problems. It’s no big deal, but i whish you could understand us. We won’t be able to get 24/7 coverage while tagged FR or DE.
We won’t be able to be competitive anymore. And it basically means the end of WvW on tagged servers.

Thats the downside of a tagged server. Its been said many times, 24/7 matchups. International servers will atract more players from other timeszones.

Altough this is a slow process, and in the meantime tagged servers have their own advantages they are benefiting heavily from.

Here are some facts.

More then half the European servers are classified as International. Yet only 3 International servers are actually in the Top10. The other 7 are all language-specific.

You want to keep international servers from using what it is that gives them the edge, then we’re just going to see nothing but [fr] and [de] in WvW.

That’s not the point at all. EU servers atm are EU, not international. That’s a huge difference.
And we see a lot of language specific servers in the top because the change started by Desolation is 4 weeks old. We can speak about it in 6 months if you wish.
This is anticipating the problem, knowing what is happening on the US ladder is enough proof i think

And finally, i understand you feel less concerned by country-tagged problems. It’s no big deal, but i whish you could understand us. We won’t be able to get 24/7 coverage while tagged FR or DE.
We won’t be able to be competitive anymore. And it basically means the end of WvW on tagged servers.

I understand you fully and I agree that it sucks but this is not simply related to language specific servers. Even most of the english speaking servers will be left in the dust, because there’s not enough people around to fill more than 6 (or maybe 9) servers total, worldwide, with a 24/7 population. Hence my proposal in my previous post to create these “global WvW servers” and somehow unlink them from the PvE server activity.

That said… I warned about the fact that under this system most servers will die one month ago. Where were all the Vizunah players then?