I have a question for the SoS commanders, at what point numbers wise should a guild get in contact with you guys, like 10,20,30 on a map?
whenever you want, we have a few guilds who field only 10, or 15.
You are more than welcome
Screw that! Contact us when you have 2-5 people and are willing to do things like take supply camps/yak slap/ninja towers etc! The more coordinated self-driven people the better, zergs are good but can’t hold down supply camps everywhere.
If you feel like your group can do something that would help the cause let a commander know.
Alright cool, will do.
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I wholeheartedly agree that Waha is an excellent commander and deserves all the accolades he can get. What makes him even better in my opinion is that he is totally understated and reserved about his accomplishments as a commander.
I do have one suggestion with regard to your post: Try not to mix trash talking with praise because it will derail the discussion and obscure the original intention of your post.
Blackgate is putting up a hell of a fight, and JQ does indeed have mesmers, thieves, culling, and largeish zergs.
great fights in SoS borderlands tonight, still holding bay firm. And may I just say that zerg of yours is massive.. a sea of Sea of Sorrows
You’d be suprised at our numbers, we were really only running 30-40 man zergs, the majority of which were on MERC’s VoIP. We’ve been emulating a lot of the open field combat techniques that I saw RG were using and having a lot of success with it. Now I’m not going to put on a stupid voice and say that we were constantly constantly wiping outnumbering forces but it was definitely a lot of fun seeing those large scale combat techniques pushed into play effectively
Oi Oi Oi ! i dont talk a lot in forums but this time i will !. i have to cheer Waha and his Foo guild for its Extreme efficiency : my hat is yours for all the time i spend in wvw … i have 1 word : wow ! . Countless sos zergs trashed again and again and again ! ( of course we barely attacked black gate since they hide and never attack sos…. ) Waha continue your excelent work, I am not in your guild but you have my hat and sincere admiration. Black gate continue your superb work at what u do best. Sos …. one day you will be able to win without mesmers , thieves, culling and 30-40-50+ zergs etc … also continue your excelent work .
Waha is amazing, but FOO run with zergs of equal or greater size. I’ve seen Waha being able to sit close to 70 people guarding one treb location, was pretty nuts.
If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.
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I’m not sure JQ will make it this week because guilds are only halfway transferred at this point. It will be close, but I know there are going to be a few more blackout attempts on JQ during Oceanic prime time to help Yaki get in. SoS will be able to take advantage of that. I think the really interesting fight will begin on the 28th when everything becomes more stable.
If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.
Oh really? I thought you said this earlier
Not gonna happen. Unless JQ mass recruit skilled oceanics and do blackouts for the next month getting them in, they’re gonna lose every week to the superior oceanic forces of SoS.
JQ pull ahead only in euro timezones, around noon central. But thats it. Also when RG move away again, and when PRX move again when they lose (confirmed as being considered), then its 2nd place at best for JQ.
Sooo now you’re wrong? I just don’t get your posts sometimes.
Besides the obvious fact that you try modes of disinformation to see if anything sticks.
If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.
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If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.
Oh really? I thought you said this earlier
Not gonna happen. Unless JQ mass recruit skilled oceanics and do blackouts for the next month getting them in, they’re gonna lose every week to the superior oceanic forces of SoS.
JQ pull ahead only in euro timezones, around noon central. But thats it. Also when RG move away again, and when PRX move again when they lose (confirmed as being considered), then its 2nd place at best for JQ.
Sooo now you’re wrong? I just don’t get your posts sometimes.
Besides the obvious fact that you try modes of disinformation to see if anything sticks.
How am i wrong? The mass recruit happened, a minimum of 7 large WvW guilds poured in and is stopping SoS from retaking what JQ take in euro hours.
Next week it wont be so easy to cap everything when MERC etc go to bed.
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If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.
Oh really? I thought you said this earlier
Not gonna happen. Unless JQ mass recruit skilled oceanics and do blackouts for the next month getting them in, they’re gonna lose every week to the superior oceanic forces of SoS.
JQ pull ahead only in euro timezones, around noon central. But thats it. Also when RG move away again, and when PRX move again when they lose (confirmed as being considered), then its 2nd place at best for JQ.
Sooo now you’re wrong? I just don’t get your posts sometimes.
Besides the obvious fact that you try modes of disinformation to see if anything sticks.
How am i wrong? The mass recruit happened, a minimum of 7 large WvW guilds poured in and is stopping SoS from retaking what JQ take in euro hours.
Next week it wont be so easy to cap everything when MERC etc go to bed.
Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.
We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.
As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.
Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.
We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.
As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.
I think you are going to be ok actually. Its clear your server has a strong core and skilled playerbase. The fortunes of all servers will change alot over the coming months as other distractions come along. As long as your core stays true then you will be able to weather that. There are still guilds looking to move and they can only move to servers with available space. BG might very well be the recipent of some of those in the next few days.
Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.
We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.
As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.
Bah. I play on BG, and I’d say “don’t be so negative”. Yeah, BG hasn’t been the beneficiary of much of the guild movements, but there have been a couple here and there and some individual players. There’s also still 5 days until free transfers end and anything can happen. Yes we will drop to T2 but it’s not the end of the world. We’ve been there before, and I’m confident we’ll see T1 again at some point. I’m personally excited to see some new servers in T2.
Sure SoR hit the lottery, and were in the right place at the right time, but in my opinion they earned it. Until last week they hadn’t won a match in 10 weeks, yet they never dropped a rank spot. Was it due to lack of any other competition? Maybe to a small degree, but it was mainly because they kept coming out every week even though they knew they were going to lose. They could have just quit at any time, but they didn’t. The same can be said for BG, who so far has been the only server kicked out of T1 that has not yet dropped below T2 (not counting SBI but, well, we know what’s going to happen … sorry).
Anyhoo my point is, there’s no reason to be bitter over the situation. With effort and confidence, things have a way of working out.
If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.
Oh really? I thought you said this earlier
Not gonna happen. Unless JQ mass recruit skilled oceanics and do blackouts for the next month getting them in, they’re gonna lose every week to the superior oceanic forces of SoS.
JQ pull ahead only in euro timezones, around noon central. But thats it. Also when RG move away again, and when PRX move again when they lose (confirmed as being considered), then its 2nd place at best for JQ.
Sooo now you’re wrong? I just don’t get your posts sometimes.
Besides the obvious fact that you try modes of disinformation to see if anything sticks.
How am i wrong? The mass recruit happened, a minimum of 7 large WvW guilds poured in and is stopping SoS from retaking what JQ take in euro hours.
Next week it wont be so easy to cap everything when MERC etc go to bed.
Perhaps you’ve missed the contradictions in your own messages.
Main difference between this thread and the FA thread.
This thread – people still fighting, Ohai complaining and Azure being his usual self (take that as you will)
FA thread – something about a dolyak parade, and some fighting
This thread never lets me down when I’m bored.
I don’t want to think what will happen if FA ever makes it to tier 1, although this will be for certain a thing – Ohai complaining about dolyak parades.
Also, I came here for Feisty’s updates, because even though I no longer play for JQ, I still like to see how my old server’s doing, and well, Feisty still has the best update pictures in the entire forum.
Magiofdeath… what are these “dolyak parades” of which you speak?
I think the reason these threads get so heated is because there are a lot of people in these servers that are more passionate about the WvW experience than even they’ll admit.
Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.
We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.
As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.
if you do ever drop to T2 its because you’re not playing to your strengths. By having less numbers than the other two servers in tier but large enough to make an impact you could of focused on one server and slipped into second place.
It happened in the weekend but then you stopped focusing on JQ and therefore slipped to 3rd.
You don’t have to have the greater numbers to make an impact you can simply align yourself with another force. Its WvWvW afterall.
Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.
We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.
As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.
if you do ever drop to T2 its because you’re not playing to your strengths. By having less numbers than the other two servers in tier but large enough to make an impact you could of focused on one server and slipped into second place.
It happened in the weekend but then you stopped focusing on JQ and therefore slipped to 3rd.
You don’t have to have the greater numbers to make an impact you can simply align yourself with another force. Its WvWvW afterall.
But its a little too late for that now.
If BG wants to stay in T1, they should be hitting whoever is no.1 in the ratings (currently SOS and maybe JQ later on).
They have to remember, the smaller the gap between the top team and the other team, the higher the rating will be.
Magiofdeath… what are these “dolyak parades” of which you speak?
I think the reason these threads get so heated is because there are a lot of people in these servers that are more passionate about the WvW experience than even they’ll admit.
Go check the FA/CD/DB thread, it was actually pretty funny when I read about it. There’s a reddit link in that thread somewhere. I’ll IM it to you if I find it again.
Magiofdeath… what are these “dolyak parades” of which you speak?
I think the reason these threads get so heated is because there are a lot of people in these servers that are more passionate about the WvW experience than even they’ll admit.
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I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.
Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.
I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.
Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.
Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.
We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.
As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.
Bah. I play on BG, and I’d say “don’t be so negative”. Yeah, BG hasn’t been the beneficiary of much of the guild movements, but there have been a couple here and there and some individual players. There’s also still 5 days until free transfers end and anything can happen. Yes we will drop to T2 but it’s not the end of the world. We’ve been there before, and I’m confident we’ll see T1 again at some point. I’m personally excited to see some new servers in T2.
Sure SoR hit the lottery, and were in the right place at the right time, but in my opinion they earned it. Until last week they hadn’t won a match in 10 weeks, yet they never dropped a rank spot. Was it due to lack of any other competition? Maybe to a small degree, but it was mainly because they kept coming out every week even though they knew they were going to lose. They could have just quit at any time, but they didn’t. The same can be said for BG, who so far has been the only server kicked out of T1 that has not yet dropped below T2 (not counting SBI but, well, we know what’s going to happen … sorry).
Anyhoo my point is, there’s no reason to be bitter over the situation. With effort and confidence, things have a way of working out.
Ah, please do not confuse my attempt at adding perspective to Ohai’s post as being negative. I am very positive about BG and will remain so. That was a state the facts post more than anything else and definitely not bitter.
I actually feel great for BG’s WvW. Our core was tested and held up well, at this point we need to keep adding to the core of our WvW base, continue to train and improve no matter if we are in 3rd or 4th place in the overall rankings. The Tier 1 point spread is very close, closer than any of the top 5 Tiers, and that’s a result of everyone in BG who put in the time this week and last, from our core guilds to the lowest leveled pug who ran yaks, we all contributed and earned it.
I do not think a potential move back to Tier 2 would mean much in the long run to BG. We’ve weathered it once, we will do again and be back. There will be no repeat of what happened to SBI for us.
I have enjoyed a lot of terrific fights this week. Whoever wins will have earned the weekly win and I congratulate all three teams for putting in again this round.
I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.
Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.
Must suck that culling only effects your server… /headdesk
I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.
Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.
It wasn’t just veil. I saw atleast 5 people with the ascalonian ghost thing on. Why even try to act like it didn’t happen? It’s not like its a bannable exploit, just a douchy move. You guys exploited a transformation in order to make your stealth from veil last longer due to culling.
Only thing I hate about this week is the coming of a certain guild that heavy abuses culling erhm… Basically my computer runs well enough but the other 9/10 players who do not suffer so badly they can’t do anything.
What am I talking about? Mesmer stealth. That ability lets you stealth an entire group of 40+ with just 1 mesmer due to how bugged it is at the moment and add stealth culling on top of it, I salute that guild that uses the broken mechanics of WvW to its fullest.
In case people don’t know yet, stealth culling adds another 3-5 seconds after you lost stealth before you can even see them load on you screen. RG you are great at keeping you’re guys together and moving like godzilla but you’re nothing but culling 24/7 made me lost all respect. But hey whatever it takes to win got it.
Only thing I hate about this week is the coming of a certain guild that heavy abuses culling erhm… Basically my computer runs well enough but the other 9/10 players who do not suffer so badly they can’t do anything.
What am I talking about? Mesmer stealth. That ability lets you stealth an entire group of 40+ with just 1 mesmer due to how bugged it is at the moment and add stealth culling on top of it, I salute that guild that uses the broken mechanics of WvW to its fullest.
In case people don’t know yet, stealth culling adds another 3-5 seconds after you lost stealth before you can even see them load on you screen. RG you are great at keeping you’re guys together and moving like godzilla but you’re nothing but culling 24/7 made me lost all respect. But hey whatever it takes to win got it.
Can’t say for certain that is is RG doing it intentionally, as I didn’t see any RG guys with the ghost thing on. I did see 2 prx guys running in their zerg as ghosts though. “The Professionals” lol
you guys are aware that with a ghost tonic on you :
A) cannot use siege
B) cannot swap utility skills or elites
C) you can never really fully stealth as the top section of the ghost models hair never actually goes invisible.
also every server/player/guild/team has access to veil, just as they have access to portals.
Might just want to take a step back and think about what you are complaining about.
Only thing I hate about this week is the coming of a certain guild that heavy abuses culling erhm… Basically my computer runs well enough but the other 9/10 players who do not suffer so badly they can’t do anything.
What am I talking about? Mesmer stealth. That ability lets you stealth an entire group of 40+ with just 1 mesmer due to how bugged it is at the moment and add stealth culling on top of it, I salute that guild that uses the broken mechanics of WvW to its fullest.
In case people don’t know yet, stealth culling adds another 3-5 seconds after you lost stealth before you can even see them load on you screen. RG you are great at keeping you’re guys together and moving like godzilla but you’re nothing but culling 24/7 made me lost all respect. But hey whatever it takes to win got it.
We got 15-23 guys on US servers… if you got culling meeting us check your numbers first. Obvious troll is obvious. (HINT: culling starts at 50 players according to ANet)
you guys are aware that with a ghost tonic on you :
A) cannot use siege
B) cannot swap utility skills or elites
C) you can never really fully stealth as the top section of the ghost models hair never actually goes invisible.
also every server/player/guild/team has access to veil, just as they have access to portals.
Might just want to take a step back and think about what you are complaining about.
you guys are aware that with a ghost tonic on you :
A) cannot use siege
B) cannot swap utility skills or elites
C) you can never really fully stealth as the top section of the ghost models hair never actually goes invisible.
also every server/player/guild/team has access to veil, just as they have access to portals.
Might just want to take a step back and think about what you are complaining about.
No one was manning seige, they were running around and killing anyone who didn’t see them in garrison. Now lets think about that, you guys were able to hide an entire zerg inside garrison while 20+ people were defending. And how is that not an exploit? Veil (or any aoe stealth) + ascalonian ghost means that you guys were hidden until you appeared ontop of your next victim.
This is awful to see because before this week JQ was not known for abusing the games flaws to win. And I know that the majority of JQ wouldn’t condone this kind of blatant cheating.
Not really a RG thing even tho the chance exists they started with it. Even in T4/5 Euro i see tons of guilds using it. The MAIN reason is to make it even more clear who the leader is (we only use commander to lead pugs). Using a ghost plus mark makes it easy to follow in chaotic fights. That said, i never knew it would benefit those who abuse culling. I doubt it’s also their reason for using it because mostly only the leader and a few others use it (to confuse the enemy on who the real leader is).
I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.
Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.
Dude, seriously? You say this as if there’s a way to master culling and use it to an advantage. The only way I know of getting enemies to show up is if you sit there a while or go right into the group. What your asking is for the whole group, (most likely not knowing you guys couldn’t see them) to stop moving so you can see them… Potions are in the game and as far as i’m aware they aren’t bugged, so how can you exploit them? Also, I’ve been part of a small group defending that’s been smashed by an invisible zerg because of culling. All I said was “well dang, at least Anet is working on that…” and respawned. So please, enjoy the game and have a nice day -Gorger
Stop calling me a cat! I’m obviously an over sized combat kitten…
if you do ever drop to T2 its because you’re not playing to your strengths. By having less numbers than the other two servers in tier but large enough to make an impact you could of focused on one server and slipped into second place.
It happened in the weekend but then you stopped focusing on JQ and therefore slipped to 3rd.
You don’t have to have the greater numbers to make an impact you can simply align yourself with another force. Its WvWvW afterall.
But its a little too late for that now.
BG is playing for rating right now, and is doing pretty good with what it has. I won’t presume to guess how familiar you are with Glicko. Suffice it to say BG pushing back and forth to keep the score between servers closer, is better for BG than trying to focus JQ all week and let SoS have another run away lead.
Lol everytime I read SOS complaining about something it’s a tactic we use and counter in t2 already. Is it because you guys get trapped in this tier and don’t see stuff till someone moves over or up? In my head I see pre bg tier 1 as all three servers arranged in the three lined sides of a triangle taking turns auto attacking each other.
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-Gorger