Guild Wars 2

So let me get to the point where I found this out.

I was in WvWvW with 2 guildies, and we saw this single thief, now with 3 of us it should be an easy kill right? Wrong. This guy comes up to us, pops stealth gets close and pops the pistol whip skill (3rd skill with Sword Pistol) and we died in like a second.

What the skill does is, it stuns you and then bursts you down with 9 quick slashes. Now if your specs and armor is into precision and power those 9 slashes dmg will do alot of dmg, to the extend of getting us 3 with like using it 2 or 3 times since the Thief does not have cooldown.

The damage is insane, it took us out (Thief myself, another thief and a necro who changed to warrior) like we were nothing at all.

Yeah, I’ve noticed how OP that ability is in PvE and PvP with that stun when I was running that combo. It’s almost equal in damage to the Warrior’s GS #2 ability, but that one doesn’t have a stun so the target can move out. I would expect the stun to be taken out to equalize it or lower the damage.

I not sure if I would call the skill overpowered based on what you descirbed. I believe that there was a difference in skill of the player and the wrong strategy implemented when facing the other player. Just because it was 3 vs 1 does not mean that the three players should win. If the three of you switched to 1 melee and 2 ranged I believe that the other player would not have won as easily or at all. It has been stated before that if you believe a skill is overpowered try to find a way to counter the skill or build that the other player is using.

Oh no it’s not skilled he just stood there and used the skill and it was gg, its not even that we just suck but if you have a skill that deals like 18k dmg with one button
its op

Don’t all stand in the same place next time, youll get him then.

Lol you don’t get it, the skill stuns before bursting lol other then that we move arround alot

First of all saying that a skill is OP again for the thief is lame…

Second: Your Gears vs hes Gears
Third: Never underestimate a thief

If he burst for 18k he got some good gear and your are squishy…

I can burst some squishy for alot in WvWvW

Lol you don’t get it, the skill stuns before bursting lol other then that we move arround alot

What’s so funny? There are numerous counters to the stun condition. Sounds to me like you were simply outplayed.

Terrorcookie.8560:

Lol you don’t get it, the skill stuns before bursting lol other then that we move arround alot

No dude YOU don’t get it when he didn’t run away and instead approached your little group then stealthed, that should have been your queue to spread out since you knew what was incoming, if all 3 of you got hit by the stun then it’s your fault.

I was getting chased down by a gp of 3 on my GS warrior the other day almost out of hp my heal came off cd spammed it and turned to face them they ran at me in a tight little gp and stood facing me about a foot away, I actually laughed as I pressed 100 Blades quickly followed by Whirlwind and turned all 3 of them into dust. Is my warrior OP? No they were convincingly beating mykitten but they made a boob and grouped up and faced me straight off and then STOOD in my hundred blades for the full 8 swings.

Their demise was entirely their fault for not moving away, dodging, employing correct tactics instead they had tunnel vision trying to burst me down for a kill.

Terrorcookie.8560:

So let me get to the point where I found this out.
What the skill does is, it stuns you and then bursts you down with 9 quick slashes. Now if your specs and armor is into precision and power those 9 slashes dmg will do alot of dmg, to the extend of getting us 3 with like using it 2 or 3 times since the Thief does not have cooldown.

I read this and I got my little ol’ thief to do a tiny bit of testing.

1. You cannot move while in the midst of Pistol Whip, so TWO out of the THREE of you had the opportunity to get out of the way and unload on him/her after s/he put a 0.5 second stun on you.

2.

…your specs and armor is into precision and power …

Why exactly are you going out into WvWvW (Isn’t this PvP?) in this type of gear? Wouldn’t you want a bit more vit/tough to help boost your ability to sustain life?

3. Thieves don’t have “colddowns” as you say, but we do have an energy type function that limits how much we can do and how often we can do it. So no, I couldn’t pop off 3 Pistol Whips and still be able to do anything else in that time. Besides, as stated in #1, I wouldn’t be able to move while Pistol Whipping.

Like the other posters said, you need to have better awareness of your opponents in a PvP environment.

Good luck in the future.

LOL gets killed by a thief, calls them OP.

remember we thieves have low HP. is either hit us first or we hit u first.

Hundred Blades/Warrior can do the same thing…

So there were three of you, you saw him coming, but none of you thought to flank him or lay down traps? You all just stood around in a tight cluster waiting for him to own you? Sounds about right. If you aren’t going to play well, you’re going to get destroyed in PvP. One of you could have easily taken that thief out in a split second if you got behind him and unleashed a backstab.

Wait, it doesn’t even do an AoE stun, only the primary target gets stunned. What the hell were the other two people even doing?

Terrorcookie.8560:

Oh no it’s not skilled he just stood there and used the skill and it was gg, its not even that we just suck but if you have a skill that deals like 18k dmg with one button
its op

18k damage? Yeah, sure. It doesn’t do anywhere near that, even if you have stacks of vulnerability and every hit crits. Post a screenshot with a combat log or don’t bother posting at all.

Title should be:
Skilled Thief Over Powered Me – QQ.

2 things:
Pistol Whip’s stun = 0.5 seconds
Pistol Whip’s slashes = 2 seconds (maybe longer)
He probably used Haste to make it faster, but seriously… you don’t have a stun breaker on your hotbar in PvP? I find Pistol Whip to be very lackluster except for when you use haste but even then, people who know what to do take very little dmg if any from it. I find speccing for stealth/backstab to be much more effective.

Cool story though bro.

you’d survive better if you were specced for toughness and vitality.

I’m not sure what your issue is? you specced for damage trading up in survivability and complain when you get taken down?

Pistol whip is easy enough to dodge and interrupt. most players tend to dodge out of the way when i start winding up for it

“This one thief beat me, a thief, another thief, and a necro in 3v1. Thief OP.”
Lol
Lol
Thief clearly OP. Oh wait, three of you grouped up, stood still for multiple seconds after being opened up on, and got hit by a minimum of two pistolwhips without maybe using your own? I mean, there ARE two of you thieves as compared to him as a single thief. You could pistol whip him twice as hard!

This is just horrid play by the OP. Move along.

I think it was me who did this to you guys. Might have been someone else, but anyway the three that was chasing after me asked for it. I went stealth and the three of you (or other three) stood still hugging each others and not moving at all. I picked the one in the centre and slashed you guys with pistol whip twice in a row and none of you even tried to move at all even though only one person got stunned. It was also clear that your gear sucked since you went down very fast with my not so much dps build -_-.

Note I was running in full exotic gear. There was nothing OP about it, it was average player Vs bad playerS.

^Amon pretty much sums it up. I do this to people as well. If I’m caught out I can easily take on multiple players if they aren’t smart.
Typically though I just function as a support for my group traited so poison has reduced cooldown/grants might/lasts an extra hit/steals hp/applies to all allies.
Makes it funny to run straight into a group and single out one person… Their group tries to move but he/she is stuck still for several seconds until he/she dies =P

Was he in the guild TLDR?

0.5 second stun….. it’s so weak no decent thief uses pistol whip without comboing it with basislik or devourer venom. The stun is not the problem with anything regarding this situation. In this type of game every split second counts and you have to be quick.

All people remember after they die to a thief is the death. No one ever considers how much a glass cannon thief dies also. Its just the perfectly timed attacks that work that people QQ over, and im not talking about heartseeker, there are PLENTY of threads already QQ over that.

For the record. I don’t use heartseeker, PW or haste in my builds, they are not needed and by far not the most entertaining builds out there.

bwill couldn’t have said it any better.

have you considered the possibility that the problem is with yourself rather than the thief?

metaphorm.6904:

have you considered the possibility that the problem is with yourself rather than the thief?

Blasphemous!!! That is never the problem.

Funny thing is both him and his buddy are thieves, what’s stopping you from using shadowstep, roll for ini, etc to break the Uber long stun and avoid the PW? All you have to do is watch for the thief to pop haste, dodge and then turn around and kill him. Learn how to PvP before you come QQ some more.

QQ
if he just had to “stand there and pop the skill” then you are just standing there being hit by the skill. the thief is stationary when pistol whip is used. it does not stun 3 people. were you afk?

Translation:

Myself and two friends got our butts handed to us on a golden platter by a Thief who was better than all three of us combined. I demand compensation in the form of a nerf for the Thief class and a buff for my class.

Thank you.

" Gets so tiring reading these threads."

But people never get tired of writing them.

I stood there doing nothing in PvP and died OMG change the game so that doesnt happen.

Lesson for the OP some one whips you in PvP dont cry about it copy it

Pistol Whips stun ONLY HITS ONE PERSON… so perhaps the rest of you were poison immobilized etc?

Not sure why anyone is surprised. Any time a mmo introduces a stealth class everyone calls op till the class is made virtually worthless in both pve and pvp….. good luck fellow thief’s and pray that Anet isn’t like everyone else with the nerf bat.

Pistol whip his the thiefs version of hundred blades. They only difference is hundred blades doesn’t stun you. Pistol whip needs to be toned down and it probably will.

So let me get this straight…you spec 100% glass cannon and than complain about getting bursted down? Riiiiiiight.

Lol. This is a funny post. 3 guys get caught in Pistol Whip spam 2-3 times in a row. Not very bright on your part OP.

OllieXTrick.9643:

Yeah, I’ve noticed how OP that ability is in PvE and PvP with that stun when I was running that combo. It’s almost equal in damage to the Warrior’s GS #2 ability, but that one doesn’t have a stun so the target can move out. I would expect the stun to be taken out to equalize it or lower the damage.

you’re not Serious right? cause HB does more than twice the damage of PW…

Three people got killed by one guy, just using pistol wip?
Wew, they must have been the worst players GW 2 has to offer.

Think about how OP Elementalists spamming AoE might be for that guys.

But srsly, you realize that you have movement buttons? They are W, A, S, D by default i think.

And another group of bad players that somehow manage to carry 0 stun breaks. If one of you was competent enough to do so (or simply didn’t stack up in 1 square meter of land…) you could’ve interrupted him, his haste would be wasted and his endurance/initiative would be mostly gone. Easy kill.

Humorless.1573:

And another group of bad players that somehow manage to carry 0 stun breaks. If one of you was competent enough to do so (or simply didn’t stack up in 1 square meter of land…) you could’ve interrupted him, his haste would be wasted and his endurance/initiative would be mostly gone. Easy kill.

It’s worse than that. Pistol Whip isn’t an AoE stun. Only one of these three clowns was stunned. The other two stand in the fire during WoW raids.

Not all 3 of you had to stand in the AoE, right?
PW stuns 1 person, so why didn’t the other two just move away or dodge? The thief is stationary while channeling PW, so it’s not as if he can follow you, unless he wants to break the channeling.

I think this example of why PW is OP is prettykittenfunny. If I played this stupid, and sometimes I do, I certainly wouldn’t describe it on the forums. I prefer the kick myself in the kitten approach for being so stupid and sloppy with my play.

That said, the issue with a lot of these abilities, even Heartseeker, is haste. PW, 100B, Heartseeker on their own are really not that bad. If you cant get out of the way of a non-hasted PW then you really should be sticking to PvE. Haste on the other hand… makes it all happen so fast, that getting out of the way becomes harder, damage comes a lot faster and it is harder to mitigate.

The thief loses all endurance and endurance regen during haste, and it’s a fairly long cooldown so if you do manage to stop it you just completely shut down that build for a while and he’ll be a fairly easy target if you jump on the opportunity right away. It’s a high risk high reward build.

Warriors when using frenzy take 50% extra damage. That’s like 50 stacks of vulnerability on them for the duration. They go from rock-hard juggernauts to… well, about cloth level armor, I’d suppose.

What is the other thief doing? The stun hits only one guy, and your thief friend and you, could do the same. If you are outgeared, then gg. If you are outskilled, then well, get over it, learn from his tactics and be a better thief.

Lol, Terrorcookie it stuns for 1 second, ONE PERSON, then 1 second later it starts the chain of attacks, easily avoidable with double tap.

You got killed because you cannot utilize evades, L2P and quit asking for nerfs to circumvent your apparent lack of skill.

Martym.6971:

Lol, Terrorcookie it stuns for 1 second, ONE PERSON, then 1 second later it starts the chain of attacks, easily avoidable with double tap.

You got killed because you cannot utilize evades, L2P and quit asking for nerfs to circumvent your apparent lack of skill.

Stuns for HALF a second.

PW is laughably easy to counter.Sounds like a L2P issue through and through.

bwillb.2165:

Martym.6971:

Lol, Terrorcookie it stuns for 1 second, ONE PERSON, then 1 second later it starts the chain of attacks, easily avoidable with double tap.

You got killed because you cannot utilize evades, L2P and quit asking for nerfs to circumvent your apparent lack of skill.

Stuns for HALF a second.

Half a second, second, whatever, its very short and easily avoidable.

If someone dies from it, you seriously suck. All you have to do is move 2 feet right or left and every attack misses.

There is no skill in using sword/pistol haste #2 combo. My little 5year old girl can pull this combo off while sitting on my lap. Fact is these attacks are being used cause they require no skill to pull off. I’m a thief. I don’t use this novice gimmick to score kills.

btw it’s #3 and it requires the same skill to be avoided. The skill of pushing 2 buttons.

Let’s not forget this guy probably had 3 Orbs of Power and outgears them by who knows how much.

Not saying haste + pistol whip isn’t a bit ridiculous (haste mainly) but this seems more a issue of user error.

I have never seen an ability, skill, spell or attack in an MMO that couldn’t be overcome by playing smarter. Just food for thought.