So from everything i said that’s what stuck with you? I didn’t say thief isn’t good for combat…it’s just not good at going toe to toe with a guardian or a ranger…or sometimes a good mesmer.
And yes the whole thing a thief has is it’s stealth, the bad design is mesmer also having stealth…makes no sense, should be a thief only.
I don’t know how many other games you played with a thief/assassin class, but being agile and stealthy is the whole point. Low defense means you gotta be careful when yo join a fight and when to abandon one.
What you want is a Highly mobile tank that can deliver the highest amount of damage in the shortest time posibile kind of thief.
Every class has it’s ups and downs….
If you complain about thief…what about necro? i haven’t met 1 necro yet that i could stomp.
And engi? rarely see one in pvp…and when i see one…well doesn’t matter that much unless he is teaming up with someone else and the fight becomes 2 vs 1 + all the kitten turrets…
Elementalist? sure there are some good ones here and there…but mostly they are good for warming up
Warriors that don’t use hammer….a joke….warriors that do use hammer…i prefer to avoid.
Guardians… i avoid mostly
Rangers…the trick with rangers is to get in close before they notice you…if they see you coming a mile away, you are gonna have a bad time.
other thieves…some are quite annoying…the ones with years of exp, the others…who gets the timing better.
This list is made from my perspective….a noob thief (i’ve been playing for quite a while…but i still consider myself a noob cause it’s a complicated class)
So as you can see you can take almost any class head on…and when i say head on i mean…like a good thief, take them by surprise cause you are no greatsword weilding warrior.
If you like to go guns blazing and beeing all “LEERROOYYY JENKINSSS” in a battle, don’t choose a thief…
like i said…the whole point of this class is to be….thiefy like, not to go through the arena like a tank not even noticing damage you take.
AGAIN, yes it’s not a perfect class….mainly cause everyone is complaining about the stealth and now there are so many way to counter stealth it’s not even funny anymore. Everytime there is a patch meant to equilibrate things … they make every class even worse.
Arenanet isn’t nerfing only the thief…every single class since the game launched…nerf this nerf that nerf this nerf that….in 2 years we are gonna trow sticks and rocks at each other cause will be more efective than any other build or skill xD.
But in the end, it’s a demanding class…maybe you should really just roll another character.
ohh…bummer tomorrow i’m out all day…well thanks for letting me know.
actually yes the thief is the most mobile class in the game, besides the trait that gives you speed, you have shortbow and a utility skill that teleports you. Among all the classes that thief can reach a certain point fastest using all those. This is the main idea for a thief, cap and uncapp points. Turn the tide of battle in your teams favor. Let the tankier classes do the whole 1 vs 1 thing or 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3, while you take care of the points.
PvP is not a deathmatch….controling the points is important too.
And what you are complaining right now, every other player that i completely and utterly destroyed on the battlefield can complain too…only in reverse “OOO thief is OP, oooo so much burst damage…oooo stealth….ooo he can jump in and out of battle”.
Really it’s a matter of learning the class and knowing how to counter others while also knowing what is expected of you.
Thiefs are made to turn the tide of battles…that’s what i belive and that’s what i like…a good thief makes the difference between loosing and winning.
Sure a tankish dragonhunter can kill us and others…but just killing in 1 vs 1 doesn’t win you the game… strategy and wits do.
Is the thief as a class perfect? Hell no…i can’t even get into raids cause i don’t like other classes besides my thief…and sometimes squishy means 1 hit and you are dead. But it’s not boring, and it keeps you on your toes all the time.
Maybe you need to consider a re-roll if you don’t like thief that much. Find something that makes you happy…there are enough classes in the game. No reason you should be stuck with something you don’t like.
Warriors are not a big problem, actuallly no class is a problem for thief. Players that master a certain class are a big problem… i met a few dragonhunters that just humiliated me…and a ranger.
Also as thief you don’t really go 1 vs 1 too much, unless you are sure you can take that player down. You just stalk in the shadows and make a battle 2 vs 1
so in other words a thief is so weak he has to fight 2 vs 1 or has to pick up a noob in a 1 vs 1 because against even skilled ppl the thief will always underpeform?
yeah nope no class should be that weak.other classes can deal the same dmg as a thief (or even more) way easier and don’t have that much of a risk in order to do so.
sure there are some thiefs out there who can win a 1v6 but those are ppl with tons of exp under their belt you can’t take them as example …. everyone with 2+ years of exp can stomp 6 new players who don’t have that much exp in pvp/wvw.
thief is poorly designed compared to other classes. you always have to play your thief 2 times better then your enemy plays his class in order to have an equal chance in a 1v1 and that just isn’t right.
(and for those who’re crying “if you buff theif then those players will even be better” well yeah but imagine those players with better classes instead of a thief they would even be more efficient in a 1v1)stealth already got a very hard nerf with all the revealt debuffs and bs having an icd and let’s not forget all those shields and invulnerability we have to deal with atm.
That’s why it’s called Thief and not… Warrior with Daggers. It’s a squishy class, high risk high reward kind of class.
True it’s hard playing a thief…but a thiefs role isn’t to 1 vs 1 all match long, it’s to cap and uncapp enemy points, and when there is a 1 vs 1 fight you jump in and help your teamate. You help downed members with stealth and in certain maps you do the extra stuff…take the artifacts, orbs etc… again high mobility.
Thief isn’t supposed to do what every class does, you can’t have a warriors hp and defense and a thies mobility and ability to jump in and out of combat easily.
I jumped into pvp yesterday for the first time in 1 year, and i lost 3 out of 10 matches.
The first match i had no idea what to do anymore, so i got killed all the time
after a few tweks to my build and rotation ideas i had a 5 wins streak against some decent teams.
I still don’t know how to counter every class, i met mesmers dragonhunters and rangers that wiped the floor with me…but there were others that had no idea what to do so i just stomped them easily while capping points.
It’s all learning to play the thief, learn what makes the class shine and what doesn’t.
No one is expecting a thief to 1 vs 1 all the time, just when you know when to win…if some guardian wipes the floor with you, next time you see him avoid him at all costs if you are alone. Wait for an opening, if you see a downed enemy you can easily stomp him thanks to stealth.
and i suck at being a thief…there are others wayyyy better than me. There are some videos on youtube that will blow your mind. Watch some of them and try to keep an open mind, and learn.
Cheers.
Are you doing any raiding today too? Would like to join
Warriors are not a big problem, actuallly no class is a problem for thief. Players that master a certain class are a big problem… i met a few dragonhunters that just humiliated me…and a ranger.
Also as thief you don’t really go 1 vs 1 too much, unless you are sure you can take that player down. You just stalk in the shadows and make a battle 2 vs 1
Reading what you guys write… and most of you are like “You just have to learn and be better at raids before being accepted in a party”… uhmmm yeah i’ll just magicaly make 200 LI appear in my inventory without actually doing any raids…
It’s like asking a dead guy to be less dead cause it’s harming everyone else.
Hello everyone, looking for a EU Guild, mainly PvE maybe a bit PvP too…
I’m interested in Raids/Fractals and world events.
English speaking or Romanian.
Whisp me at Dracul Gol
thanks
Hello everyone, i haven’t really played in a while…like 6 months. And i would like to return to my thief, can anyone catch me up to speed with the viable builds that i can have. Did they keep bashing the thief into the ground? is the class back to being fun again? anything i should know?
would very much appreciate some help with a build, so i can get back at it again preparing for Season 3
So now hope for my thief to get into a raid, even after this patch?… should i just learn to play with a revenant now?
i was just asking if someone knew a good Raid build…some sort of meta, kinda hard to experiment during Raids….don’t you think?…
no need to be kitteny about it…
Hey guys…
i have taken a break from GW2 for the past…well, sincer HoT launched actually…i was kinda dissapointed with how the Thief class turned out to be in HoT…
anyway now with this update, from what i can see, it’s something of an improvement.
have the builds changed a lot?
Is Daredevial viable now? Is there a good build for PvE (Raids)?
thank you!
I’m maining a thief at the moment…but i am really unhappy with daredevil… so i’m thinking about… making another character.
so my question is… what classes are good and wanted in a Raid… in order if possible
thank you
can you guys tell me how the necromancer fares with the PvE side of game?
thanks for the reply
and what classes are wanted now in Raids? besides…warrior
Well can you recommend me a good build?
Hello everyone, i’ve taken a break from GW2 shortly after the launch of HoT, love the game… i was maining a thief, and even though i was really excited for the Daredevill….it felt really weak and even more fragile than before. I always enjoyed the high risk high reward playstyle…but with daredevill it seemd all the risk and no reward.
My questions to you guys are those.
*What is the state of the game, regarding more the PvE side of things…
*How does the Thief handle raids….is there a new build? something better than at the beggining…
*Should i just give up and change my class? after all the time(1000+ hours) and money(legendary, ascendend, all kinds of dyes,skins and cosmetics…) i invested in my beautiful thief…. should i just cut my losses?
*Any advices for returning player.
Thank you for your time, and sorry for the long post!
Reaper reminds me of Darksiders…ohhh how did i love those games ^^ and i’m still waiting for the 3rd one. Daddy is gonna make a reaper…ohh yes
still doesn’t work for me…wth…everyone seems to be getting the boots…but still no blue flame for me…
Nothing…again!…..AGAIN….
What about having some patience, this is probably not the most important bug atm.
maybe not the most important one for you, if you haven’t been waiting for 4+ weeks already for a fix…to finish that cursed lumi set…
Does this mean that we will be getting more actual new informations…and less recaps of recaps of recaps? … ^^
@ Gaile Grey, most people here are upset mostly because it took you guys like a month to aknowledge this bug, and give us the long awaited “Don’t worry guys, we know about it and we are working on it” …. one month we have awaited for something like this (not considering the partial bug before, the permanent one)
And I hope you understand us…we are just 5 minutes away from reaching our goal, one more mission, one more achievement and Voila…It is frustrating and infuriating. Most people here are just tired of waiting, and now that someone did give us some info…well it’s like a zoo keeper going in the lions cages to feed them personally….after a month of starving them!
So thank you for your imput, i’m happy that you are working on it…i feel much better (before i felt so…ignored, it really wasn’t a great feeling).
Also putting the LS2 on the gem store, before those bugs were fixed…bad move, it’s like giving grenades to a angy mob…or a group of monkeys…you don’t give grenades to monkes…that’s silly.
Anyway wish you a good day
I get that the expansion will be smaller…and we won’t get much, and i’m okay with it…i still love the game…but i kind of hate how they sold it as this “huge expansion…full of change and inovation” … and they promised information…but all we get is recap after recap after recap..
Yes i know some of you will say that you wanted info about the hylek race…or about that arena net member…that writes stuff…and maybe you even wanted the recap of recaps of recaps of things said when they first announced the expac.
If they have nothing to tell us…i’d rather they just not say anything…instead of this…treating us as kids…giving us the same info over and over again like we wouldn’t notice…
I would rather learn about the lore…from actually playing the game and interacting with each npc…it’s more fun..and Role Play-like..Reading about the lore in a blog post like this does little to impress me…i didn’t even read it…just the highlights…i want to be surprised.
I want to go into the maguma jungle and loose myself into the story, the conversations…the lore…that’s the role play part of the game…the part where my in game Avatar…my virtual self interacts with these creatures.
So yeah this info is useless and spoiler like…more interested in the gameplay mechanics…to see if the expansion is really worth its money.
awesome we get frog wild life info…instead of something actually wanted/interesting/usefull… all hail the frogs… >.<
and yes i really don’t like the hylek…..a snake like civilization? cool…but frog…it’s just ewww
Another week with little to no info…new blog posts designed to buy time. It’s been over a month…since we got some actual interesting, usefull…wanted information…
We got a reminder that there will be masteries…could’ve been something way more interesting and detailed about them…but ofc we didn’t get that…
and the wildlife of maguma jungle…recycled species we already have…not even new ones…or at least something that is not frog based…
I don’t get it…why are there so many people against us? in the topic i opened…how does our topic and our cry for help affect them?…
I understand that they have no need for this bug fix…but still they seem against fixing it too…like it’s not so important..
man for a game with the best community…most people on this forum suck hard…
this is stupid…how can they sell Season 2 at a discount…when some of it is bugged…this is so wrong..
agree with OP…don’t mind the haters ^^
You’ll get used to it. As a gamer you learn to adapt…as an old gamer too, i know the way it used to be…when KS was a thing…and you would get so angry when someone stole your “spot” and kept stealing your mobs.
Then Cabal came, and changed it a little, the exp was shared in some way, depending on the damage. And now we have GW2, where we help each other…instead of wishing to be alone on the whole map, now you want to be together with other players…
you will like it sooner or later,
I’ve been away for a few days…still nothing, this is charming..
I first made a warrior, and recently made a thief…for a time i did play on both equally…but over the time i just focused on my thief… I worked hard in the last few months to have my Incinerator, Permanent gathering tools, permanent salvage-tron, and right now working for my ascended set.
I guess it’s all about time. I have time only to play for 1 character…and do everything for that one…it’s like with kids…you have more, you have to share something between them….but when you have only one, you focus all your time money and energy in that one.
one day, i will have my boots
you know, this reminds me of something from the old days, used to play a game caled 9Dragons…and the publisher back then Acclaim always had this thing, for certain things they just said “Soon” …. and by soon they meant never xD
Sounds a lot like that….one day…)
And it only took like what…3-4 week for someone to notice our problem?…not bad…
Maybe in 3-4 months we will have this bug looked at…and then in 3-4 years we will have it solved…
Ohh thank you!
I cannot believe that this expansion has been 2 years in the works and be -this- small. I just can’t.
As you seem to have more information available to you than the rest of us, perhaps you can answer the following:
1) How many skills, traits and other options do the specializations give each profession?
2) How do we progress through the specializations and how long will it take to fully unlock them?
3) How much will the new profession and specializations change the PvP and WvW meta?
4) How big are the guild halls and what activities (if any) will we get in them?
5) Can we customize the guild halls and if so to what extent?
6) Will we get any more/new guild missions in HoT?
7) How many zones will we get in total and will each zone have 3 levels or will there be more on some?
8) How many events and other activities will we get in each zone and how big or small are they?
9) How many masteries will we get in HoT and core zones?
10) How long will it take to progress through all the new zones and fully explore them using the masteries?
11) Will we get any world bosses and if so how many and how big are the events?
12) How many new weapon and armour skins will we be able to collect?
13) What and how many mini games will we get?I’m sure there are more things I would love to know, but this will do for now. If you can let us know any of the above, and provide official links where possible, that would be appreciated. I would love to find out how you know how much content the expansion will give us. Or are you basing your opinion on the single datamined map view of one third of a zone?
No need to get cranky…but if you believe the expansion has been in the works for 2+ years…you are gonna have a bad time.
If you can’t see the truth behind the hype…you don’t belive us, it’s okay, just wait until it is released and see for yourself how big this “expansion” will be.
Don’t get me wrong, i’m gonna buy it anyway…but now it depends…they either push the expansion to the very end of the year so they will have more time on their hands. Or they release it sooner with lack of content..
We already know that there will be content missing, this coming from a dev post “A handfull of legendaries” They can’t even manage to release all the Legendaries at once with this expansion…and the whole Legendaries topic was discussed before…and is dating back 2 years.
If you believe they got so much stuff done for the expansion, why the only blog posts we get are recaps of recaps of recaps of info we got during the 1 hour announcement? Why those time buying articles?
Think about it, before you get mad…
You can’t handle a few clicks, and yet you are able to write a post about half the size of one of George R R Martins books (Game of Thrones).
And also if you have hand pains…why do you let the bags acumulate? i mean yea even for me with a healthy hand opening 1000-2000 bags is a pain…and not only in the hand(if you know what i mean) …but in your place i’d just open them like eveery 50 bags….
and even so how can you play? the game does require you to do some clicking….
this smels like one of those posts…when you wants something changed so much that you start…making stories…I apologize if it is not the case with you, but there have been some around the forums….
Did you get a disconect after going in for the champion? cause if yes, it happend for me, and the progress(you killing one of the 3 champions) is reset and it means no big chest for you
They fixed some language bug…god forbit they actually fix something that matters…
Maybe once HOT is released, someone will look at our problem
And today, we got this: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/points-of-interest-episode-18-summary/
A recap summary of something that talks about stuff we’ve pretty much already heard about. Twice.
Woo. The hype train’s really rolling now. Better hold on with both hands, or you might almost be able to pretend you can feel it moving.
OMG I WAS SO HAPPY WITH THIS BLOG POST…it’s like the 3rd or 4th time i read/hear about the same very things over and over and over again….
if this is not stalling time….i don’t know what it is.
I’d be way happier if they would just say something like “Yeah we can’t really reveal anything new for like…3-5 months…but we won’t treat you like stupid kids either and just make fun of you with the same info said in different ways over and over and over again…”
This is getting close to an insult, how many times can they actually say the same things in different ways?
Expansion announced WAYYYYYYY to soon…bad move…bad bad bad move….
By how it goes…i’m really hoping we’ll get to play it this year…but somehow i doubt it more and more…too much stalling time…
THANK YOU ARENA NET FOR NOTHING!
They are doing the same things as they have done in the past putting out info that you must look for and not told out right. So the info is there we just need to find it.
Read this a few times…it doesn’t mean anything no matter how i look at it…idk what you wanted to say…you didn’t in any case.
Also i’m being pesimistic…maybe next time we’ll get a recap of the recap of what we know until now xD or maybe another dev bio…ohh geee how i love those…but this time about the person that wrote the other dev bio…
The only concerning thing to me isn’t that they don’t have things figured out, but that they are intentionally spreading out info because the release date is still a long way out.
This doesn’t concern me, as I would rather they took the time to get it right than rush it and release it with problems. Patience is a virtue, and in good game design its a necessity.
I agree, i’d rather wait some extra time for some qualtity content instead of a faster rushed out the door just for the sake of getting an expansion out.
What really gets on my nerves is how they made it sound like it’s almost done, and we will be filled with information week after week about every single thing…and how much they have to tell us and share with us…and then go radio silence….this is what annoys me.
They made it sound at the very beggining like the expansion is almost out the door, they were like “You will read a lot of new things in the weeks to come and then get to play it soon” and we get Devs bio, and recap of everything they already said at PAX…
that’s a new low and it was a bad idea…
I think they might have pushed the Expansion anouncement a little too soon just to get some publicity at PAX, and other gaming gatherings…and with the weekend sales they actually got some new ppl interested and some old ones back into the game aswell. But all this at the cost of our morale…the faithfull players, that play daily and enjoy the game…in doing so they kinda ruined our morale a little.
I take great delight in baiting thieves with greatsword, switch to rifle and can land 10k worth of volley on them.Just before they evade then stealth, pop killshot.Even better if they steal as signet of might is there for these occasions.
You end up with a dead Thief. What’s interesting is if I ever get whispers its to convey respect at “aw man that 10+k crit, gg”.
If I get kitten by a thief I’ll go hunting for him. I used to get frustrated and rage over losing to them but you know what, I kept practising till the tide turned and now most end up running from me.
Exactly what i meant…if you know your class well…you have the means necesary to beat a thief. But most players are to busy crying about it on the forums than actually learning how to go Mano a Mano vs a thief….
People want the easy Win…not the Win Win…
For the love of God, i’m not the one that made this topic….i didn’t get scammed…
i just posted an ironic comment regarding what someone else said …
Wintyr.1780: said that we shouldn’t be alowed to bypass the TP, cause it helps maintains economy….and I said what i said…
just…ahh forget it…
For the millionth time, they started design on this expansion as soon as or very soon after(if not maybe slightly before) GW2 was released in August 2 and half years ago, so the expansion itself has been in development for 2+ years.
Source?
Because I doubt very, very much that’s true.
Considering how what we will get doesn’t appear to be more than Living World Season 3 with a few extras, and how ArenaNet claimed they won’t manage to even release more than a “handful” of legendaries, if that’s the best they can do after 30 months, I would be extremely disappointed.
My source is Colin Johansen, in, without looking, one of the many interviews he gave after the announcement at PAXSouth, and for those that doubt it’s been in development that long…reread my earlier post: not once did I say it was a main focus, all that time, all I said was that’s in been in the planning stages since just after GW2 was released. Marketing 101, if you’re working on something and you don’t want anyone to know, tell the customers that you have no plans on ever doing the one thing you know they want the most…I know that and I never took Marketing 101.
I’m just gonna go ahead and say: You are really really really really wrong.
And i’m a nice guy so i’m gonna tell you why too: ArenaNet wanted to try something different, a different aproach for mmo’s, and while i appreciate them for that, and it is one of the reasons why i love GW2 so much…it failed, first they tried the Season 1 of LS, every 2 weeks new content, but it meant that the old content was taken out. THIS WAS A LIVING WORLD, things change, they never remain for late comers…
But that was also the problem, imagine everyone that had an GW2 account when they started with the episodes, started doing them, every 2 weeks…every single player(imagine they were all 80 with at least 1 character) and it could’ve worked quite well(again ignoring personal problems, holidays, school, work…people just found time to play the episodes before being taken out)
The problem consisted in people that were coming in, just like myself at say…idk episode 3?episode 5? 7? They already missed the few episodes, and by the time they learn what’s up with the game and reach 80 they loose 1-2 more episodes.
In a MMO this aproach doesn’t work.
So we got Season 2, ofc it was kinda better, but the world wasn’t so…living anymore, and people complained about the 200 gems, in case they didn’t log in for a whole 2 weeks.
And in this end this plan failed too…but allowed them to test some things, SilverWaste/Dry Top maps…and Luminecent collection…also maybe a new curency? geodes/crests.
The main reason they switched to an expansion like content is this: There is no subscription to the game, besides the few million copies sold, and some players buying some gems…there was no income for ANET….and a MMO of this complexity doesn’t just…make it somehow…it either makes money or fails.
ANET noticed that players feel entitled to everything for free…(OMG HOW DARE THEY ASK ME FOR 200 GEMS TO PAY FOR ONE EPISODES….THIS IS STEALING…OMG) this meant they couldn’t introduce new features for a price…cause they would have a mob with fire and forks and pointy stuff ready to take ANET down…
But you know what people are used to pay for? EXPANSIONS….ignoring the few people that live in a far far fantasy world and they think that Expansion should be free…ingoring them…. most of us are used to paying for expansion…
So it’s like this: 200gems for one episodes? GREEDY CORPORATE kittenS
60$ for an expansion? cool…when can i preorder?
ANET did try to do something different, it didn’t work…i appreciate the effort put into the game…
But one thing is clear, THEY HAD NO INTENTION of making an expansion, they avoided it at all costs, and in lack of any other way they had to go back to the old ways.
This is why i said MAYBE they decided to go with an expansion after the China Release, or during Mid Seasons 2 LS….
You can ignore the facts as long as you can, and close the eyes as hard as you can…but this is the truth…and i’m not saying it’s something bad…but those are the facts…
cheers
so let me understand you scammed the system to save on TP costs that help stable the economy by lowering the overall gold in the economy but then are kittened when you get scammed using a unsecure system. you should get banned as well. your part of the problem if players like you never made these deals there never be any scams
So what you are saying is that i can’t exchange items with my gf or friends in game…or give them mats they need…cause i’m ruining the economy? I should put them up on TP, and then they have to buy them?
If they scammed you they are not really your friends or girl friend.
I don’t think you read that quite right….try reading again…i don’t think i said about scaming anything…but that’s just me..