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I am gladdened to see continued work on WvW specific issues, particularly culling which is understandably difficult to fix in a way that is not more broken.
Yes it is wrong for all guilds to join the winning server.
If I were interested in joining SoS that might be relevant. More to the point, people want to join competitive servers. To face strong populous servers, on a strong populous server.
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This is not just a problem with JQ or SoS, it’s the entire top two tiers, and more besides. And server performance isn’t really even being protected, people continue to sneak in thanks to blackouts — ANet seems to have decided that they’re best served by pretended server transfers are available and making the hoops you have to jump through as asinine and difficult as possible, to keep numbers down.
God kittening forbid they just say “pay us ten bucks to get on the server you want”.
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As MMOs age ? As in aged 5 months ?
From day one Anet has said transfers will cost. They had other things on their plate so the paid transfer setup was delayed. So yea, I guess you could say Anet is enabling transfers.
Your myopic view is missing the big picture. I can’t imagine any gaming company liking the idea of three servers with hour wait times and 15 servers with unplayable low populations. Pretty obvious that wouldn’t be healthy for their game.
MMOs age in dog years. They age faster than dogs, really.. many may live 6-10 years, but the last three quarters of their span is usually a grey emptiness of few players and apathetic, inactive devs.
I have no quarrel with transfers costing $$, it’s a reasonable value-add to charge for and discourages server hopping antics. Per ArenaNet’s post on the coming changes, they will not be enabling transfer to ‘Full’ servers.
There are few to no queues on the T1 servers, all of which show up as ‘Full’. The WvW maps aren’t even being filled outside of Friday nights. There is no issue of WvW being overburdened, or quality of play lessened, in T1 WvW matches. Judging by what I’m hearing and reading, the current match is the best in weeks. The other servers are already thinned out and lack the large scale combat that is unique to WvW in GW2. Why is ANet supposed to be worried about this happening — it’s already happened, and it was inevitable from the start.
My post “Am I blocked from playing with my WvW guild?” was moved from the general forum to WvW forum; when it was moved, the Q/A mode was removed from it.
Link: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Am-I-blocked-from-playing-with-my-WvW-guild
You were playing with your guild until they decided to chase rainbows and leave you behind. All the people that transfer will just end up chasing their tails. A strong WvW server today doesn’t guarantee it will be a strong wvW server tomorrow …and vice versa. Then what ? Another mass transfer to the next best and greatest server ?
Server transfers and merges are par for the course as MMOs age. Suggesting that there’s something wrong with guilds/players getting ahead of the curve and moving to the servers where they’ll face the strongest opposition, is absurd. This is behavior that ANet already enables (because they understand that it is necessary), and should be encouraging.
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I am a west coast American that works full time and has no problem getting good fights, but those times are a bit closer to Oceanic times than most Americans play. So it kind of is a coverage issue for you. I find it weird that anyone would want to participate in such a lagfest, but fine. I lag in much smaller battles than that and everyone lags in three way Stonemist battles.
For what it’s worth, I’ve found the lag in large scale engagements to be manageable on a good gaming rig at low or medium settings. The culling remains terrible. If large scale combat weren’t a big draw for me I probably wouldn’t put up with it.
And what makes you say that the middle tiers or lower tiers don’t have ? It’s just your baseless assumption thinking oh look it’s the top, must be the most epic fights there, let’s join.
And well from your responses I can only say this: You got what was coming for you, The higher servers have a lot of people and are full, if you want to join, well you’re gonna have a hard time.
Playing a couple T3 and one T4 match showed me all I needed. There are skilled PvPers outside the top tiers, but there are no competitive servers. And I want fights with some meat to them, there are a hundred fighting games and shooters that do twitch combat better, I expect more out of WvW than small scale skirmishing.
As for me “deserving it”, take a long drop with a short stop. Being able to play with my guild is not too much to ask in Guild Wars 2.
I think your definition of a “good fight” is confused. 100v100 is not a good fight, it’s a lagfest. Coverage has nothing to do with how good a fight is unless you live in a non-American time zone. Otherwise, coverage is just a primary determining factor of a number that three serves in a match have.
So.. if you’re east coast American you’re fine, and if you aren’t you can take it up the rear? I typically play 9pm-3am PST and I assure you that coverage determines if I get good fights or not. If its me and ten guys vs sixty, or me and sixty guys vs ten, I don’t get what I consider to be good fights. It’s great that you don’t want to participate in large scale fights, but many of us do, and were explicitly promised them as part of WvW. I enjoy 1v1 as much as the next guy but when it comes down to it they’re simple; effectively fighting on a server vs server level is much more complex and interesting, and I want to be part of that.
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First of all, mid to low tier servers are there because most of them have the same level of coverage. Second of all, it is still bandwagon hopping.
How many matches has JQ won in the last three months?
It’s not Anet’s fault that your guild likes to Bandwagon.
There are many other servers available that have good WvW, maybe not T1/T2 but still very nice.It’s ridiculous of you saying that you will suffer in WvW because you didn’t pick the full servers.
Do you even play WvW? You don’t seem to understand how it works. Coverage is the primary determining factor in how good the fighting is. You can’t have a good fight without competitors on both sides, with at least vaguely similar numbers. If all you want to do is run around duelling and popping yaks, it may not matter, but for players who want fights ranging from 1v1 to 100v100, these are not to be found on mid and low tier servers.
Talk to the server WvW leadership. Find out if any blackouts will be held soon. All current T1 servers have had multiple blackouts to get people in recently.
I have and continue to do so, but thanks, a lot of people have got in thanks to these efforts.
You guys are going to regret transferring to a t1 server. Queue times are hours long and there’s no guarantee you’ll have people in your guild on at the same time to coordinate.
T1 servers at this time largely do not have any queues, except once a week at match start. Certainly Jade Quarry, the server I wish to transfer to, does not. Even on servers that are packed, there are not so many who are committed WvW players. Which is the problem, and the impetus behind the transfers — for WvW to be good you need both a strong server and strong opposing servers Otherwise the matches turn into blowouts that are decided by Sunday night and ghost towns Monday through Thursday.
While there are surely some guilds whose transfer decisions are purely venal, i.e. “lets get with the winners and help ’em win harder”, mostly people just want a game.
Well it makes sense that not everyone can join the top t1 t2 servers else there would be no point for t3 and below servers.
In the long run, there is no point to the many extra tiers of servers for serious WvW players. There aren’t enough players interested in WvW for every server to be competitive. If you want to play on a strong team against strong teams it’s the top tiers or bust. Even the next best thing, Kaineng (where several major WvW guilds moved to do the zero-to-hero thing), does not offer meaningful competition and won’t for weeks (months?) of roflstomping their way up the ladder.
Yeah, that’s kinda the way it looks from here too. I don’t even know if ANet even believes this is a problem, much less if they’re trying to solve it, there doesn’t seem to be anything pertinent in their blogs about paid server transfers or guesting.
With the paid server deadline coming up, serious WvW guilds are consolidating on the top half dozen servers, so they can have both good timezone coverage and strong opposition. This is a reasonable course of action, and saves ANet the effort of moving many of these players later during inevitable server merges. Many of these servers are marked ‘Full’ and blocked from transfer for most or all of the day, with windows opening for transfers at ‘Very High’ at seemingly random times. I’m one of the people whose guild has moved, and who has been blocked from following.
I have made more than a hundred (probably less than two) transfer attempts over the last four days and got ‘Full’ every time, and I continue to check regularly. Now, server caps, blah blah blah, all irrelevant noise against the fact that this game is worthless to me without my guild. I don’t think I’m alone in this situation either.
So what am I supposed to do here if I don’t get lucky? Wait three months for server populations to drop a lot again? Quit? Ask my guild to transfer to a non-WvW-centric server where we’ll wither?
Thieves.
Mesmers at least have somewhat lesser damage output, Thieves have top rate DPS and survivability/escape/mobility. Add on that their survivability is multiplied by rendering/culling issues, and yeah.. there’s a reason I’m leveling my thief alt.
/signed, I don’t agree with everything Jang Gun asked for, but I share his concerns and observations about the decline of WvW and <i>perceived</i> lack of attention by ArenaNet.
/signed
Portal as an idea is cool, and we’ve seen lots of strategic use of it, but.. push comes to shove, it makes fights end faster and more decisively, and it’s been months with no culling fix. It’s negative sum, it makes the aggressor feel nice for owning some face but makes the targets feel like kitten for dying without contest. Portal is so powerful that every night some poor mesmer gets the commanders hand stuck up their butt puppeting them, ‘cuz you know.. that’s pretty much how you win.
Mesmer sweeping in Stonemist is generally pretty terrible on everyone’s parts. People tend to go the same routes and follow someone automatically even when they know they should be doing the opposite, and there is a lot of ground to cover.