Guild Wars 2

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Crinn.7864:

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https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/237256/gw287.jpg
If you’re gonna post made up dps numbers in screenshots then get logs or vids to prove it.
More Alacrity wouldn’t of made enough difference to make it seem any less kitten and the player actually spent some time on Necro before, this run was aimed at him specifically trying Nec in all wings and resulted in Nec being useless literally everywhere.

hold up

this run was aimed at him specifically trying Nec in all wings

So your saying a guy that is bringing a necro into a raid for the very first time isn’t doing stellar dps?

protip: Pretty much everyone does terrible dps the first time they take a class into a raid.

Yes, please give me more protips.

zealex.9410:

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zealex.9410:

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Patrick.2987:

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Patrick.2987:

Funny enought to say ele is a dps loss on small hitboxes so kick ele and ur dps will increase.

Still better than Nec)

Proof?

The Necro guy above which is supposedly a “good” Nec can’t even hit 32k on golem so I’ll use his vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJmXhuC-tjg
instead of actual benchmark which is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIHbWW1m5s
while ele is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab5CdXkALoo
Now remove perfect chill fields from Nec cause it won’t work in actual raids 50% of time and you get less than Ele, it’ll be between 28k and 30.
Also Ele’s add about 800-1.5k (based on amount of Ele’s) group dps thru Air Ol Buff while Nec brings nothing.
Epi or Ice Bow won’t change kitten.

What happens tho if ou don’t possition wildfire correctly or lightning orb? Does the dmg remain the same?

There’s no Wildfire to position on small hitboxes and Lightning Orb needs only 300+ range. Not sure how much of a difference not doing Lightning Orb properly would make.

im not sure the op refers only to raids and with a fire field the dps the build does it around 28-29k with icebow that might go to ik 30k?

Doubt Ice Bow would even add 1k on small hitboxes. Think the guys above me can answer this better than me.

zealex.9410:

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Patrick.2987:

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Patrick.2987:

Funny enought to say ele is a dps loss on small hitboxes so kick ele and ur dps will increase.

Still better than Nec)

Proof?

The Necro guy above which is supposedly a “good” Nec can’t even hit 32k on golem so I’ll use his vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJmXhuC-tjg
instead of actual benchmark which is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIHbWW1m5s
while ele is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab5CdXkALoo
Now remove perfect chill fields from Nec cause it won’t work in actual raids 50% of time and you get less than Ele, it’ll be between 28k and 30.
Also Ele’s add about 800-1.5k (based on amount of Ele’s) group dps thru Air Ol Buff while Nec brings nothing.
Epi or Ice Bow won’t change kitten.

What happens tho if ou don’t possition wildfire correctly or lightning orb? Does the dmg remain the same?

There’s no Wildfire to position on small hitboxes and Lightning Orb needs only 300+ range. Not sure how much of a difference not doing Lightning Orb properly would make.

Sublimatio.6981:

at the moment of that upload I was beating Farbstoff’s first benchmark. later 1UP beaten mine (with my tips btw) and now Farbstoff beaten 1UP.

I actually didn’t know these things, sorry.

You do bring some valid points except the positioning thing, I doubt you can outposition Overload Air fields but we’re comparing Nec vs Ele so guess we’re assuming a no ele comp then yea it’ll work I suppose.
And I have no way to properly calculate this right now so I’ll refrain from throwing numbers without any proof, they’re both close and I’m not sure rn which is better.
I can provide few logs to compare them but I got no log to directly compare Nec to Ele in same fight, closest I have is me doing cannons as Ele in a messy Sabetha but that’s bs to use as example.
I got a Mursaat with a Necro but no Ele:
https://padl.tk/u/oqe95ni8kbr5
And a Mursaat with Ele:
https://padl.tk/u/KpZ9arWzYpif
Nec could be higher in that run but doubt it’ll reach the Ele from other log.

Edit: found a Xera that might provide some data, look at 1st phase dps :
https://padl.tk/u/STxlsL5LknVM

Patrick.2987:

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Patrick.2987:

Funny enought to say ele is a dps loss on small hitboxes so kick ele and ur dps will increase.

Still better than Nec)

Proof?

The Necro guy above which is supposedly a “good” Nec can’t even hit 32k on golem so I’ll use his vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJmXhuC-tjg
instead of actual benchmark which is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIHbWW1m5s
while ele is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab5CdXkALoo
Now remove perfect chill fields from Nec cause it won’t work in actual raids 50% of time and you get less than Ele, it’ll be between 28k and 30.
Also Ele’s add about 800-1.5k (based on amount of Ele’s) group dps thru Air Ol Buff while Nec brings nothing.
Epi or Ice Bow won’t change kitten.

Patrick.2987:

Funny enought to say ele is a dps loss on small hitboxes so kick ele and ur dps will increase.

Still better than Nec)

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/237256/gw287.jpg
If you’re gonna post made up dps numbers in screenshots then get logs or vids to prove it.
More Alacrity wouldn’t of made enough difference to make it seem any less kitten and the player actually spent some time on Necro before, this run was aimed at him specifically trying Nec in all wings and resulted in Nec being useless literally everywhere.

Sublimatio.6981:

ice bow 5 also chills periodically so make sure to use it too

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snip

The necro has much less alacrity uptime + did the necro epi the stray mobs for extra dps? whatever the answer thats not really a thread for this kind of discussion as i’m not here to tell you necro is meta, but necro picking ice bows is beneficial.

Arc is free, use it.

Jerus.4350:

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So you see the issue here?:D You can’t get perfect whirl finishers and Ice Bows in the same scenario without losing group damage.

That’s not the issue raised here though. If you have a necro should they pick up your ice bow, that’s the question. Get mad at them for not playing a better profession, sure, whatever. But, get mad at them for picking up your ice bow? Is it better if they do or not?

I mean, if you put it like that then yes it’s better if Necros take it.

Arc ignores invuln times while gw2helper counts them resulting in gw2helper showing higher numbers.
Check per phase damage on my logs.
Another thing to note is Necros will have a hard time aiming their whirl finishers into chill fields with Ele’s spamming lightning fields resulting in a huge dps loss.
In your video there’s no ele, only a guard and guard fields are easy to work around but then again there’s no Ice Bows either.
I guess if you really wanna make Nec decent then you need a normal Staff Ele and not a s/wh one but then Ele’s lose damage except if you do slow cc then Staff will pull ahead but if you slow cc then Ele is useless in the 1st place and you may aswell take a ranger instead.
So you see the issue here?:D You can’t get perfect whirl finishers and Ice Bows in the same scenario without losing group damage.

Nice joke.
https://padl.tk/u/VDnO4NYT7BFv
And that’s with a kittened up rota on my end, Nec had every Ice Bow.
Here’s proper dps of Ele’s:
https://padl.tk/u/bDVy3NRAweve

So ya, giving Nec 32233223 Ice Bows won’t make him any good.
If you wanna talk about group dps then kick Nec, ez 7-8k group dps inc.

gin.7158:

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Life Steal food can add up to 0.7 extra average gotl but seaweed is better in fights like KC where it’s just short burst phases but at Sabetha for example, life steal should be better.

So for SC xera speed kill, what food did the druid use? I guess it’s truffle steak?

Seaweed for 1st phase and life steal for 2nd. Truffle Steak is really useless everywhere.

Life Steal food can add up to 0.7 extra average gotl but seaweed is better in fights like KC where it’s just short burst phases but at Sabetha for example, life steal should be better.

The build on Metabattle gets you to 1 prec above cap.
If you care about min maxing then use this for Hammer:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNArfSnkIClChddCGCBkdil4BTe/1/WgZpoXUVoKAslqXA-TBCBABB8EAGVNHs2fUeUmSs80HAwpA4MlgVqaQAgDgf7bf/Nw6nf+5nfe/+7v/+7vlCYgJYA-e
or this for Virtues builds:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRArf8dnkIClChddCGCBkdil4BrKAslqXZpoXUVQe/1/WgA-ThBBQBA4kAQSlgB4JAkH9DYZ/R53oU/JAwBwv9tv9N48zP/8zPvf/93f/93SBMwEM-e
They get you to exactly 100% without wasting any stats at all.

Best is double Ele but it needs proper knowledge of mechanics, class and dungeon itself.
If you want a relaxed experience then try Condi Necro and Thief or swap Thief for another Necro if don’t wanna stealth and skip stuff.
Let necro run Spite mostly for might and vuln or Death Magic if condi heavy bosses. Curses and Reaper are a must. There are few places where Power Necro will be better due to structures being condi immune so consider having a power set if you don’t wanna take ages. (AC burrows, SE p3 cart etc)
Thief on usual dps setup, can use Invigorating Precision if having issues staying alive.
Swap to Shadow Arts for long skips or ask Necro to help with blasts (Bone Minions can blast).

NikeEU.7690:

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Zerk Power Druid swapping between NM and MS based on encounter, weapons too
Power PS
Chrono running appropriate encounter builds
2 Eles swapping weapons and builds based on encounter

This except I would argue that condi ps is almost always better in practice than power. Also I would advocate replacing an ele with a hammer guard for certain fractals like mai where hammer let’s you control her movement so you rip stacks faster and ultimately get a faster kill.

Not always but in most fractals yes, as long as druid is NM with warhorn.
Imo guard brings nothing. Mai break bar lines up most of time with Blue field so stacks aren’t an issue.
Druid can perma prot for where it’s needed (like Chaos endboss or uncat champs etc).
Double ele is just way too strong damage wise if played right.

Zerk Power Druid swapping between NM and MS based on encounter, weapons too
Power PS
Chrono running appropriate encounter builds
2 Eles swapping weapons and builds based on encounter

Bloody.2089:

And guys btw if you do not like his record do a record by yourself.

Ok.

Side ways for attention,
Long way for results,
End it.

I love this forum.

Do only 90+ levels, ez fix.

KC aura doesn’t remove aegis.

2 Necro is meta, even for record times you’ll want 2 necros in most fractals.
What isn’t meta is more than 2 necros because it’s a complete waste.
3rd can be either ele or druid,
4th and 5th class are mesmer and warr.
Also you can epi bounce in almost every fractal.

Yep, we’re back and recruitment is open again!

“One of the small elite team who isn´t affected by idiocy.”

Guild: Vis Invicta [vC]
Date: 09.07.2016
Build: 63,845

Mes | Phantasmal Yui
Druid | Astral Form
Necro | kitten y Moamancer (rip my name)
Necro | Toxic Elitist
War | Brreke

Druid: Negative Dps
Warrior: Thálaya

There, I updated the last name, sorry.

Guild: Vis Invicta [vC]
Date: 11.06.2016
Build: 62,624

Ele PoV | Wanna See My Geyser
Druid PoV | Astral Form (has outtakes too)
Necro PoV | Usually Gets Kicked
Mesmer PoV | Phantasmal Yui
Warrior: Thálaya | No PoV

Zui.9245:

Meeting complete!

Players in attendance:

Abe
Amira
Ashlee
Axias
kitten y
Flames
Ghosti
Goku
Kishlin
MadOne
Nico
Nightmare
Panz
Pentakiller
Sangi
Yui
Zui

Guilds voting:

KING
DnT
geek
LN
rT
SC
Vs

rip my name

Zodryn.4216:

Update for thief numbers on small golem.

Core thief D/D: 9.2k
Daredevil staff: 8.6k

Both tests used WvW provisioner food, pack runes, exotic armor, and accuracy and blood sigils, so there’s room for improvement. Also, my staff isn’t ascended, which might close the gap in DPS. If I use Thieves Guild, I can hit 11k on D/D as long as they are alive.

This forum never stops making me laugh xD

Lol

Finishing OL gives the charge.
It applies to 1st target you hit and only one target.
Can’t stack, only refreshes duration.

bladex.9502:

Another thing I’d like to propose is to have a look at certain CC consumables.
While they are easy to use and not that expensive to get, it kills off a lot of possible cool breakbar tactics, since its usually faster to just throw an Ettin gunk or break 70% of the bar with 1 plank hit.

Haven’t seen a video yet where Etting Gunk or Planks get used effectively.
Most of the time breaking without them is faster + better.
Look at Roul’s break rotation for example, bar breaks exactly mid meteor + overload.
Plus, if you wanna try banning certain cons then you’ll end up with a discussion on how other cons remove “possible cool tactics” too.

Dro.1047:

Zui.9245:

2. Legendaries in sub-80 dungeons.

Perfect gears and food are even more expensive than a legendary. As I said on reddit about this subject, if you guys want a real equality for the competition, just allow only blue gear like that everyone will be on the same step…

Abe’s answer : http://imgur.com/orm6Dqb

Infusions don’t make a huge difference except on long boss solos and nowhere near 10%.
You can easily overcome infusions with just better rotations/RNG while 10% from legendaries is just plain broken.
You’ll never have perfect equality but something near it can be achived easily.

Since the last patch, no matter which weapon set I’m holding, if I click a weapon in my inventory it will always swap with the first set in my hero panel.

It has been like this since forever, when Dredge suit gets stability, double dodge or invuln otherwise you will get hit for a lot. The attack is map wide so being outside his range won’t help you.
Same goes for Ice Elemental fields, don’t stand inside them otherwise the agony does kittened damage.
I’m not sure why Agony does damage but this is how it has been since start of game.

Dodge.

reikken.4961:

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Toughness scaling was removed

No, it wasn’t removed, just reduced
high scale mobs have about 30% more armor than low scale mobs

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-December-15-2015
“From fractal scale 1 to 50, the toughness attribute of creatures will scale up with the fractal scale. Beyond fractal scale 50, the toughness stat of creatures will no longer increase with the scale of the fractal.”

If condies would be better at anything above 15 sec then why isn’t anyone stacking condies in raids?
Toughness scaling was removed, only thing bosses in high levels have is too much hp.
If your eles are bad then yea, stacking condies is better.
Too many eles play wrong builds in wrong places with terrible rotations, so obviously easier classes will net most people better results.

Updated thread with better time

Guild: [qT] Quantify
18.04.2016, game build 60,049
Ele: Wanna See My Geyser
Ele: Overload Fire

Nice slideshow at start xD
Nonetheless, nice run and good job

Following the 2nd Wing release we changed our trials and requirements a bit to better reflect current state of the game.
Also both our Dungeon and Raid build posts got updated too.

Swap Signet to FgJ and keep berserker, you’ll have 15s downtime on fury but you will have fury for the full duration of berserker.
If you’re concerned about precision then get infusions or assassin accesories.

It’s based on hitbox and can hit up to 3 times.
For example on Gorseval you’ll hit twice resulting in 300 dmg to breakbar instead of 150.

I meant that even if you go Air + 2x Assassin AND 14 Infusions then it’s still not better.

Actually, Enko is right.
I just went and tested it a bit, even with 14 precise infusions Accuracy and full Zerk is better on Staff ele.
The extra precision adds 5 ferocity soooo yea, that’s kinda…..useless xD