Guild Wars 2

Ele is the hardest class to play. It is known.

Build for stomping bads or pugs, will never work in competitive spvp.

most usless tournament build I ever saw

Intended mechanic, has been this way since the start.

It is shockwave with the animation of churning earth.

Its bugged, or the tooltip info is wrong.

From the tooltip you expect to get the final aoe from churning earth (not the cripple while channelling), with the full amount of bleeds.

If this was changed that would open up new condition damage builds for Ele.

Our underwater skills suck compared to other classes

Kill the roots fast or your days of dodgeroll healing are over.

Scepter / Dagger is the only way to roll in skilled tournaments.

Fire and Air attacks do not break the windows in the clocktower in sPvP.

Evasive Arcana bugged with earth attunement dodge roll.

Tooltip says it should cast churning earth but instead it casts an earthwuake with no knockdown for 300~ damage.

There are many reasons to carry stunbreaks besides just the 100 blades kitten warriors.

Hotdogs.8934:

They should make something that’s similar to ranked solo/duo queue LoL. A single non-tournament 5v5 game where you are automatched based on elo. Get rid of the stupid waiting time; everyone has to press ready at the start or the match won’t go ahead.

PvP is not unplayable what a huge and dumb overstatement.

Also you want unlimited timer at the start?

How about no, waiting 5 mins for idiots to ready up is bad enough.

2 guards 2 mesmers 1 thief, gg

But back on the point: its not complained about because its not a major issue, its just one thing stealth classes can do.

Sitting there for 5 minutes waiting for the idiot pugs on the other team to click ready (or not…) is BORING. It ups the duration of tournaments with constant periods of boring standing around waiting.

Example:

You signup for Tournament: 1 min~

The first game Pops : 5 mins
You play the first game: 5 mins
You wait for the other team to finish: 2mins

The second game pops: 5mins
repeat..

So currently we spend about as much time waiting for people to click ready as we do fighting the tournaments.

Please for the love of holyspacekitten change the timer to 1-2 minutes. This would DRASTICLY improve tournament play.

Diabolos.5493:

I also want to point out that I think a lot of people underestimate how good the down skill abilities can be. Granted you really have to be a skilled player to pull them off.

Worst downed state of any class, regardless of playerskill.

Any decent player will stomp an ele straight away and there is nothing you can do about it.

Fix “Evasive Arcana” working with Dodge Roll in Earth attunement.

This bugfix alone would make Elementalist so much more viable.

Nice video, excellent editing skills.

Though as others have said (in a rude and childish manner), this video does not showcase your skill at playing elementalist, due to the short clip duration.

However it is clear that you are at least “decent” and can ignore the children flaming this thread.

Nice video, look forward to seeing a “skills showcase” video (that also has awsome editing).

:D

-Arcanas

Thieves kill no one in your tournaments? Your playing with some truly awful thieves then.

1) Guard/Mesmer – clearly the most powerful classes atm, easy to play, very stronk, good damage
2) Engineer/Thief – both powerful classes, engineer survivability build is excellent as well as thief burst being best in game.
3) Necro/Warrior – both classes have their problems (bugs and derpa derpa playstyle respectively) but both can be viable for spvp if played well.
4 Ranger/Ele – Both classes could use some balancing, ranger is a little weak and Ele while being very fun to play, feels like you have to use 3 buttons to get the same effect as any other class pressing 1 button. High skill cap, low reward with only 1 really viable build (support “untouchable” spec)

Most vital thing for ArenaNet to do imo is to FIX THE BUGS!

Having key skills bugged since beta is frustrating, reduces the volume of viable builds and generally pisses people off.

In pug games where people only try to farm glory then yes, it is pointless, go and herpaderpa with the rest of the artard sheeple.

Who cares about pug games…

Because MOBA’s have no PvE or WvW and additional features take TIME TO CODE.

Stop crying and just wait, its coming.

Terrible suggestions from the OP. Clueless in the extreme.

Thieves need a small survivability buff and a small damage nerf and they are fine.

omg “Farzo: its not an exploit”

Yes.

It is.

Thats why they fixed it you artard…

Op: Your point is valid for pug games.

Luckily however your individual score in tournament pvp is meaningless, the system is fine.

only 2 changes to ele?

how about fixing all the bufs and making ele dps viable in competitive pvp

Yes Elementalist has the worst downed state of any class.

Kill an Ele and its a free stomp, they can do nothing to stop you.

Interesting build, you thought about using Valkyre’s jewellery for additional signet passive hps?

Guardian
Mesmer
Thief

All need slight nerfs

Necro
Ranger
Warrior
Engineer

Are fine.

Elementalist needs small buff.

It is very simple:

Hold right mouse button and move the mouse to turn your char left/right

WASD for forwards/backwards and strafing (hold M2 and D to strafe right for example)
1,2,3,4,5 basic skills

Q,E,R,Z,X,C heal/utility spells

Total control of your char without having to reach a long way or heaven forbid… click skills.

The point was other ranged classes having more damage, health, toughness and survivability while being faceroll easy to play.

High skill threshhold, low reward compared to other 2button classes.

Yes a good Ele beats bad whatever, but with equal playerskills Ele will loose.

PvE builds are meaningless, you can use ANY combination of skills and kill npc’s totally fine.

Increase base health from 10k to 15k

Increased range on Daggers

Why do we have to perfectly align the player and victim models to land flame grab when other classes have similar skills that auto hit.

General improvements to the traits, many are weak compared to other classes.

10k base health is the issue.

15k would be fine.

Set rotations are pointless as the most effective rotation changes depending on the classes you are fighting, and what is happening to your team around you.

Oliin.9581:

Arcane.4950:

None are viable in sPvP, worthless skills.

Just to reiterate here, not good in sPvP =/= worthless skill. There’s a whole lot more game to GW2 that just sPvP.

sPvP is the only place where balance matters, you think the mobs you kill care if you oneshot them or not?

As for the arguement “You’re thinking about the conjured weapons all wrong. You should hop into them, use a couple of the skills and hop back to your normal skills, which engineers do. Not just run around with the conjured weapon because it has a timer.”

Are you insane? Yeah lets use our “elite” skill do one charge then drop it. Well worth the slot so happy we have it. Oh and the 2sec cast time.. yay.

I have taken the time to get good and this is my conclusion:

Ele isn’t horribly broken, its just weak base values for health and toughness make playing DPS unviable for spvp, forcing players to play hybrid or support builds to try to be competative.

Necros squishey by design? More health, more toughness similar survivability…

Rangers…

You’re trying to say that anyone who thinks Ele is weak is a bad player and needs to go learn their class.

This is clearly not true, DPS elementalist is not vaible in top level sPvP.

The truth is DPS Elementalist is hard to play well and brings nothing to the team that other classes cannot do better, easier and more efficently.

Oh sorry, i’ll improve it.

Top tips to improve your performance:

Learn to control your character using WASD and Mouse.
Stop clicking skills it is a HUGE FAIL.
Roll a Thief or Warrior, you will be more effective with fewer buttons.

Take elementalist first, spend 2 weeks playing it hardcore trying many builds and playstyles, mastering complex rotations and learning how to counter other classes and builds.

Then make a thief and faceroll everything np.

Ele dps vs thief

No wait, ele can’t play dps because this happens.

Spicyhash.7605:

I think people who play elementalists just need to get better. I see often people saying that a horrible ele is more noticeable than one that is good. I’ve been downed by eles in like 2 seconds before so I know they aren’t underpowered, you just get smashed if you’re bad

“you got killed by an ele so you know they are fine”

Well thanks for your clinical assessment of the class.

Dur he kill me one time so its ok.

facepalm, go roll an ele before talking on this subject again.

Xriah.5743:

Guardians also have a 10k base health.

Stop cherry picking things about other classes trying to push your balance agenda.

Yes, but then they get heavy armour, and loads of vitality and survivability making them the toughest class ingame.

Woah pushing for balance? OMG NO

TheVin, ranger also has 18k base making your “he has to soak bleeds” logic flawed.

DiogoSilva, thank you for that truly worthless reply

getting gold on defence = killing 5+ players in the time

piitb.7635:

Arcane.4950:

Yeah lets turn the squishey range class into a melee dps that does low damage and dies to everything.

Basically the 4 -5 weapons are totally wasted utility slots, none of them are viable in competitive pvp and i would be perfectly happy if they were removed and replaced with anything.

You obviously haven’t tried frost bow, earth shield or the greatsword.

Frostbow – low dps, low healing
Greatsword – Elite skill, low damage, low range

Earth shield, meh

None are viable in sPvP, worthless skills.

Elementalist 10k base
Necro 18k base

Err, you what?!

Ahaha, excellent instructional video – on how not to play ele.

Oh dear lord,

pug pvp

clicker

keyboard turning

please remove this video

Ele elites are worst of ANY class.

Look at mesmer… look at thief…

Only use for tornado is to break the mesmer chicken.

Greatsword is terrible, total waste of a elite.

The pets are ok but hardly “elite”

Elite skills need reworking + conjured weapons need to be removed.

Yeah lets turn the squishey range class into a melee dps that does low damage and dies to everything.

Basically the 4 -5 weapons are totally wasted utility slots, none of them are viable in competitive pvp and i would be perfectly happy if they were removed and replaced with anything.

Excellent thread raising some of the issues and possible solutions with Ele.

GJ op, hope Arenanet read this.

Infamous Helba.3024:

A lvl 20 geared can reach way better stats than a lvl 80 just FYI (on a low hp pool class I can reach 25k+ hp while having 3.2k dmg), not all of them were 80 but if you open your eyes you will be able to recognize some lvl 80 armors. Also good thieves using dagger storm, do they really exist ? Don’t make me laugh =(

But you can always hit me up if you wanna be used as an example of how Elems can be good

I could prolly record some sPvP tourney matches as well since the build I made is used for holding 1vs2+ at the enemy’s closest point (the problem is that sPvP is boring, they casualized the way you equip your gears so people don’t even have to mix their stats since all your stats are on your amulet and the maps get boring after playing them for months).

Your video is worthless and is of no use to this discussion.

Posting a WvW video saying Ele’s are fine is totally artarded…

Ele’s ARE fine in world v world.

Ele’s ARE weak in sPvP.

Go play vs skilled organised players in sPvP and lets see how well you do, not killing scrubs in WvW with orb buffs… facepalm.

As for sPvP is boring that made me laugh, you can keep thinking your good by bashing idiots in WvW with argueably the best class for the job or you can go and fight in a competitive setting.

The worst thing is posts like this detract from the real issues with Ele.