Guild Wars 2

The humilation would prevent others from buying gold. Maybe it is a little harsh for the icon to always be on the name if you are guilty of buying gold. If you give the gold back or arenanet takes it they can take the icon off your name. Then you would not do it in the future.

I think a better examination would be to find out the mentality of the people in the first place. What I mean by that is, you’re saying it’d be a deterrent, but in my experience with the gold-buyers, they tend to be honey badgers. I think they’d end up either buying another copy, then buying more gold, or they’d just move on to another game.

If they’re willing to break the rules in the first place and have no morals, it doesn’t sound like they’d be too bothered by “public shaming” per say.

Now, with that being said, it doesn’t hurt to public shame somehow LOL It’s not entirely a bad idea. I just don’t know if it’d be worthwhile to put out the code, or just be better to outright ban them.

Temper.7265:

Yeah BrienBear,Velious was kinda the begginning of the end for me.

On Quellious,quite a few of my guildies were banned and investigated,then reisntated,it was kinda part of the deal when you became an officer of that guild,that you would be moving large sums of in game plat from time to time (not illegal currency).

IIRC,my own account was flagged for some a riduculous amount of plat over a 12 month period (millions rings a bell lol),and rightly so,as I was the guild banker lol.

I must see if I still have that E-mail somewhere,I did keep it around for some time to have laughs with old guildies that I ran into in newer games. =P

If you do, I’d love to read it! Just to see how they were back then. It’s nice to know the GMs cared. And the devs.

I miss EQ. I went back a few months ago just before the free to play happened and I was like “irk.” Actually, to keep this on topic, the economy is shot. Completely. You go into the Bazaar and stuff that should be relatively cheap? millions of plat. A CRAZY amount. I left around the time that Ykesha got big, so I didn’t have much on my main at all….

I miss EQ a lot. I miss how the camaraderie was, and I don’t know if I’d like it now, but the forced grouping was amazing back then because it forced you to socialize. I’m not sure, but I don’t know too many games that do that anymore, if any. And even if they did I’m not sure I’d like it.

Anyway /nostalgia off!

Temper.7265:

BrienBear.6073:

dimgl.4786:

BrienBear.6073:

No game, as far as I’m aware, has ever banned buyers. See, here’s the thing. Those buyers, they’re also customers of ANet. Those buyers, I’d assume, will continue to play longer because they have their (wrongly acquired) gold. So as much as it sucks, it’s somewhat counter-productive to the game-makers to actually kill the buyers.

Actually…you’re not very aware of this but Guild Wars openly banned many buyers of illegally obtained gold…

Yes! I just found this out. And LOTRO too. I’m surprised, this is a first. WoW, as far as I’ve heard, has never actually banned anyone. Or Everquest 1. Or Everquest 2. Or …. well any other game I’ve played LOL

Actually,Everquest1 origianlly had a policy of banning any account that moved/traded a high sum of money,regardless of prior suspicion or not.

I know personally some players that had and I myself have been perma-banned from EQ1 for moving/trading a large sum of in game currency between guild members.I belonged to a very large long standing guild for years in EQ1,so when we got the E-mail notice,none of us felt the urge to appeal the decision and return (was new MMOs coming out).

I’m happy that we got banned,because it showed what we new all along,that in early EQ1,the devs cared,the server GMs were active and had we appealed we would have been reinstated.

In earlier games,the GMs were like celebrities of their home servers,these days however,well you’d be lucky to find a GM in a game.

I don’t recall this at all. I started playing EQ1 in ‘99. I knew a couple people in my guild (on Lanys specifically) that bought gold. I wasn’t the guild owner or I would have kicked them but whatevs.

I DO remember the days when GMs were the shiznit though! You’d see one in game (IIRC just a (GM) next to their name or something but that could be off) and everyone was like “oohhhh aaahhhhh” LOL

EQ1 changed after… what PoP? That was when it was bought by Sony and went… downhill, to be nice. Maybe it was Velious?

bcbully.7289:

Gold buying is wrong period. Even worse for a company to sell it themselves.

Wait, are you saying that ANet is bad for selling their own gold? Or am I misunderstanding?

dimgl.4786:

BrienBear.6073:

No game, as far as I’m aware, has ever banned buyers. See, here’s the thing. Those buyers, they’re also customers of ANet. Those buyers, I’d assume, will continue to play longer because they have their (wrongly acquired) gold. So as much as it sucks, it’s somewhat counter-productive to the game-makers to actually kill the buyers.

Actually…you’re not very aware of this but Guild Wars openly banned many buyers of illegally obtained gold…

Yes! I just found this out. And LOTRO too. I’m surprised, this is a first. WoW, as far as I’ve heard, has never actually banned anyone. Or Everquest 1. Or Everquest 2. Or …. well any other game I’ve played LOL

*Edit to add – I’ve never bought gold, I’m just saying, when I play a game I’m generally involved in the community peripherally. I don’t get why people buy gold. You spent 60 bucks on the game, why spend any more when you don’t have to? But then I feel the same way about gems too

Thanks for the feedback on this. Glad to see you guys are working on complaints that people have, even if they don’t get it responded to in the way they’d like.

Yes, I think it’s been worth my money.

To the people saying things like “Most 60 dollar games only have about 30 hours to them! This one has HUNDREDS!” You do realize that most MMOs that come out are around $60 right? And most MMOs are timesinks, if nothing else, right?

Kindeller.3072:

There have been people who purchased the game and demanded their money back which out of good faith Arena Net have complied and refunded them… something i bet you’d never see from any other major development/publishing companies out there. Feel free to provide examples to correct me, i’d love to see it!

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/355166/20120622/diablo-3-refund-patch-1-0-new.htm#.UG2gVE3A8po

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10297553/1

There’s also charge-backs. Most of the time, the credit card companies will side with the customer. Now, with that being said, don’t think you can ever buy anything on that CC again with ANet… But, uh, most people do have multiple credit cards. (and friends/family with credit cards, etc.)

No game, as far as I’m aware, has ever banned buyers. See, here’s the thing. Those buyers, they’re also customers of ANet. Those buyers, I’d assume, will continue to play longer because they have their (wrongly acquired) gold. So as much as it sucks, it’s somewhat counter-productive to the game-makers to actually kill the buyers.

Alizianne.4058:

springelf.9236:

I understand what he was saying. I can see their point of view. But, just looking at this as a seller and customer: if something you are doing is angering a good portion of your customers just stop it. You flipped the switch on, switch it off. You want to put in some sort of safety net fine. But obviously its not working very well atm. So test it before you put it live.

I just got 80th and so far I havent see this, that I am aware of. But, I shouldnt have to worry I will. Its sucked out the fun in the game for me and my husband. We both feel very meh about playing knowning at some point we will gain less (whatever) for our effort.

Its not just me, or ppl we know. Its more ppl then on this forum. Its a dark whisper swirling around the gaming community. People are not just annoyed, they are angry. And angry ppl dont spend money on gems. I know we wont be. Why should we reward the seller with money, when it seems very obvious they dont care about me, the customer.

Are… are you insane? Like, are you legitimately, certifiably insane? You and your husband can’t play or enjoy this game anymore because you JUST hit level 80 and have never once experienced the diminishing returns first-hand? I am honestly sincerely baffled by this post.

Actually, his/her point is completely valid. Just because you haven’t experienced something firsthand, doesn’t mean you can’t be bothered by it, and to imply otherwise is asinine. I’ve never been shot, well, anywhere, but that doesn’t mean I’m not afraid to be.

To use an in-game example, I am scared to chat in-game because of all the heavy-handed banning that happened at the beginning. I tend to be an extreme cusser, or as my aunt puts it, “mouth like a sailor”. So I’m afraid that something I’m going to say is going to offend, and I’m going to get reported. The funny thing is, I’m gay, so I’m not about to go around going “LOLFAG”. But I will cuss up a storm (in general) if something happens and I die.

As for the rest of your post, most people have been trying to tell the same; seems it’s just being ignored by some. So don’t even bother posting, really. Some people even believe and state, in a very patronising and holier than thou style, that we are not entitled to our opinions. Just check this out:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/PSA-Opinions-vs-Constructive-Criticism/first#post341266

That thread is disgusting to say the least. What’s funny is people love to pull out the “Hey! Every new game has it’s share of bugs and ickies!” Well, every new game also has it’s people who whine and complain. It’s a good-with-the-bad scenario. And sometimes, those whiners actually have a point.

arrownin.3128:

Hello everyone I’d like to explain the differences between opinions and constructive criticism, because it seems a lot of forum users don’t know the differences.

How to tell if it is an.opinion
Opinions, everyone has them. However they add no real feedback and are often times harmful to the forums.

I think (blank) is unfair
This is a common one, as yes sometimes it does seem unfair to die in PvP, or to be unable to finish a map because of a bug, however we don’t need your emotional tale of the 100 blades warrior, we need information on damage, bugs, stats, and other fixable issues.

I think I should be able to (blank), it is my right as a gamer!
Actually no, this goes to gamer entitlement, which is a controversial title indeed. However, all gamers are entitled to is for the game to function properly. That’s it, fixing bugs is a part of that and the anet team is working hard, and we should post specific bugs within the game that can help them. Saying that you don’t think 100% map completion should have PvP maps is not helping, it is just you expressing your opinion.

This class is overpowered, my class is underpowered
This happens a lot, in every game, ever. The great thing is that arena net actually listen to substantial feedback and fix bugs, it takes time but they are fixing it. Be paitent and think about how much money waiting will cost you, oh wait won’t because there’s no subscription fee.

Anything Diminishing Rewards Related
Now it has really just become mindless complaining, I don’t like DR either but I am not 6 years old so I can wait while they fix a video game. Devs have been so paitent with us that they still respond to DR threads after doing so 100s of times already. It will get fixed.

This game is bad, this other game was so much better
Oh thats nice, but that’s just an opinion and it is also a pointless one to express seeing as this is Guild Wars 2, not Guild Wars 1, not WoW, not Everquest, not Aion it is just Guild Wars 2. comparisons are useless and devoid of anything helpful that would advance this game.

I demand this
No. Go back to your room and eat your vegetables.

Constructive Criticism

This involves feedback that devs can actually put to use in order to fix bugs and improve on the overall game. A post about class imbalances can be helpful if you can provide detailed information, and not just “this class sucks ans I don’t do any damage please fix”. Devs need something like “the necromancer class is imbalanced because the staff attack takes 4.7 seconds to reach its target and with the marks doing only 2330 damage per second when compared to the other classes (stats and info) the necro falls short”. Also if you are reposting about a bug that already was addressed by the devs, then don’t post again. It’s just not helpful. Finally know that all content can be changed and rebalanced, however it is ultimately not up to you, its up to what the devs envision. If they use our feedback then that’s great, but is not what we should expect them to do everytime. Another good example is to provide screenshots to prove your message is correct, just hit print screen, its easy and it provides validation. Know that you need to provide proof along with feedback, as it helps fix the issue, no proof means that no one can actually believe you, so give them a reason to.

Thanks for reading this, hopefully it can help our forums become more constructive and less whiney.

Speaking of entitlement… Man does this post come off as smug, condescending and rude. I’ve got an idea. Stop posting your opinion about other peoples opinions. See what I did there?

Fiennes.9568:

I wish more people realised this. It always is amusing to see posts saying “X IS BORKED, FIX IT”. Well, sorry that there may be an issue with “X”… but one is not in a position, even as a customer, to tell the publisher what to do. It’s rude and childish.

Actually, they have every right to tell the publisher to fix it. The publisher can come right back with a “no.”

See what you people don’t seem to get is these people are paying customers. Now, I HATE customer entitlement, but the point you aren’t seeing is the word “paying”. As in, they buy things on the market. When they buy things on the market, the game keeps going. However if customers leave or stop buying things on the market the game will start to die. Why? Because the cost to keep the game going will start to be higher than their intake.

So yes, the publisher can do /whatever they want/ with the game. But they certainly also have repercussions to their actions. Just like when someone exploits. They’ll also have their repercussions.

arrownin.3128:

Unfortunately you are not entitled to information about updates, or bugs, or exploit fixes. So they didn’t even have to fix this issue at all. In facr they could have said its not an issue and left it. Information on the current standing of future updates and bugs is a privilage given to you from arenanet, it is not a right.

Is this a joke? I’m just curious. Yes, correct, it is “a privilege”, however as has been seen in many previous games, the less they tell you, the more up in arms the customers get.

Guess what happens if customers get unhappy? They leave. And then you have a dead game. And it HAS happened before. WoW was a classic example where they weren’t telling anyone even things in patch notes close to the beginning. The outcry was HUGE, and they changed their stance.

Edit to add : And with that attitude, did you even realize the fact that they let you play is also technically a privilege? But just because something is a privilege, doesn’t mean you can’t absolutely complain about it.

Another voice to this list. I’m not sure that I’d like it, but that doesn’t mean that’s a reason for it to not be there. It looks interesting and I’d definitely try it out. Again. and again. and again.